July 10, 2024

The Uncle Network with Rockstar Dev | FFS #117

The Uncle Network with Rockstar Dev | FFS #117
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In each episode, we explore everything from deep philosophy to practical tools to emit freedom dioxide to expand your freedom footprint. This isn't a show for bitcoin news or analysis - we dig into the deep topics that are important to us and to our guests. Join us if you want to go deeper down the rabbit hole of Bitcoin and related freedom-go-up technologies and ideas!

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Chapters

00:00 - Welcoming Uncle Rockstar

06:14 - BTCPayServer History

18:00 - Open Source Software and Cypherpunks

21:32 - Uncle Jims and Bens and Lukes

26:18 - Delusions

32:42 - Stamps and Printing Money

36:49 - The Uncle Network

41:01 - Money as a Tool

47:40 - Nostr

50:00 - Switch to Video

52:56 - Nostr and BTCPay Server

58:07 - Uncle News Network

01:03:49 - America

01:08:33 - Nostr (Finally)

01:12:20 - Anonymity

01:20:54 - Wrapping Up

Transcript
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Uncle Rockstar,

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Hello, sir.

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welcome to the Freedom Footprint Show.

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Yeah.

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Thank you for having me.

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Yeah, my favorite uncle.

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Yeah.

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You have, you have other uncles,

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Yeah, I do.

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Uh,

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of them in Bitcoin?

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No, no, they're, they're shit old.

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Well, you know, the time 80, right?

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Under this mask.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Depends on what, like, what,
what sort of planetary years

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you're counting in, but like,

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Yeah.

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I bet you're 18 Mercury years.

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Um, well, more, more than that.

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and, and actually this conference
we were at, I mean, so far

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it's going great, right?

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Yeah.

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I love it.

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I'm really enjoying it and uh, I
had a moment where not only my age

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but my race was assumed that like
I'm Chinese under this mask since I

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just perfected my R's and you know,
expressions so yeah, you never know.

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Has anyone assumed your gender yet?

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Uh, yeah, yeah, I must say I,
sorry ladies but yeah, I uh, I just

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need to join next women's brunch.

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I'm a woman.

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Yeah,

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Yeah, yeah,

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So yeah,

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the, oh, brunch, that's, like, is
there even such a thing as a brunch?

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Isn't it just a late breakfast?

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I mean.

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Really depends Knut on where
you are on this planet.

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I mean, breakfast, it, it, like, to
an autist like me, it, like, means

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breaking your fast after the night.

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Like, so your first meal is the breakfast,
so there is no second breakfast.

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Uh, yeah, you're right.

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And I didn't think about it that
way, but I think it's just again,

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like, it depends where you are on
this planet and people want to feel

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special wherever they are locally.

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So they invent these rituals and
names and yeah, special meals.

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So

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and we have time zones, so
like, uh, a dinner in Europe

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would be a lunch in the US.

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And it means it's always
five o'clock somewhere.

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Yeah, it's always 5 o'clock somewhere.

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yeah.

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What is an uncle?

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How do you define an uncle?

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Well, uncle is someone that's not
necessarily like closely related to you.

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So it's not father or grandpa, but
it's, it's someone in, you know, in the

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family, like, like a distant relative,
especially like everyone needs a crazy

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uncle in their life, you know, to,
because some things you really don't

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want to say to your closest family.

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And then if someone is too far away.

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In your relationships, then it's not
someone you're going to confide in.

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So uncle comes in perfectly, uh, in there.

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And especially uncles also like
they have experience, right?

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They have wisdom.

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They, they've seen stuff,
they've been through stuff.

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And, uh, then.

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You don't even know, you know,
what are the things that you

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should experience in life.

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So that's where uncle comes in,
guides you, helps you, gives advice,

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you know, gets you into trouble,
gets you out of the trouble.

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And, uh, the way it started for me, uh,
people can look this up on the internet

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is, uh, I, um, ended up in Chicago,
what is now like, maybe a decade ago.

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And, uh, see, I get, I get
the alarms all the time.

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Nephew, nephews and nieces calling.

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Yeah.

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So I ended up in Chicago.

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I started going to local Bitcoin
meetups and, uh, Jack Mallers

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and his family were the ones
organizing them for quite a while.

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And that's where we really hit it off.

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And this is like 28, 2017, 2018, 2019,

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Yeah.

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uh, it's already where, uh,
Rockstar developer Nim is gaining

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some traction like myself because
of the work with Nicholas.

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And, uh, then Jack started
asking me for help.

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He's like, Hey, you know,
can you look into this?

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I'm curious about this.

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I know you have startup experience
because ever since I immigrated to the U.

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S.

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I've only done tech startups.

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So I was helping him with,
uh, Zap Wallet, if you

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, It ended up, uh, once he wrote
the blog post for, uh, uh, Zap Android,

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that's where he referenced, he said,
Oh, you know, Bitcoin, uh, communities

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like family, uh, and who to call
when, um, Zap Android falls from sky,

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of course, you know, BTC pay server.

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He's like my Bitcoin uncle.

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Uh, he helps me and yeah, it then
started from there because, especially

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considering the success we had with
Strike, then I had other Bitcoiners

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approach and like, can you be my uncle?

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Can you?

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And, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm actually
just so you know, like it's closed.

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The program is closed.

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I have too many nephews and nieces.

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I, uh, Yeah, I'm not, I
don't have enough time.

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I'm even getting complaints, you
know, Desperate Sia, like Anastasia.

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Yeah.

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So she even complained on Twitter
recently, like that I suck, his uncle.

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So sorry.

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Like I, yeah, we fixed that.

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I did.

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Well,

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it's still okay to get an Uncle Rockstar
poster and put it on your bedroom wall if

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you're a teenager and in need of an uncle.

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absolutely.

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And

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Ah, that's, that's good

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And, and if anyone does that and
you take a picture, tag me on

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Twitter, I, yeah, maybe not uncle,
but I'll be like distant uncle.

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I definitely will help.

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You get one

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Granduncle, maybe.

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Grunkle.

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Grunkle.

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Granduncle.

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Exactly.

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Okay, yeah, let's do Grunkle,

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Granduncle Rockstar.

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Welcome to the Freedom Footprint.

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I mean

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Yeah,

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to see the premiere of the
B2C Payserver movie in Warsaw.

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In that fantastic building that that
nice guy Stalin gave to the city.

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what a guy,

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what a guy.

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And like the, the, the building, it looks
like something out of Gotham, Gotham city.

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Uh, ironically enough, it's sort
of the most beautiful building

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in this, in the entire city.

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Even though it's butt ugly, but
that was a great event and the

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movie was absolutely fantastic.

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Um, so, uh, and you know, you don't have
to, uh, regurgitate the whole thing, but

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can you tell us how you, uh, how like
B2C pay server happened, how, how you

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met Nicholas and, uh, Like, his story and
what, what BTC pay server was a response

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to, and like, because like the, the,
the thing I really loved about the movie

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was the framing of the block size wars,
because it's the first time I've heard

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it correct, that story told correctly.

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Uh, remember the, the sentence,
it was never about block size,

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it was always about control,

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Yeah, yeah.

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I

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I love that, so, yeah,
what's, what's your take?

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Yeah.

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I said in the documentary, it's like,
it's, it wasn't about block size.

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It was about who tells who, what to do.

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Um, and actually that, that was the
motivation, huge motivation for Parker

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Webworthy, uh, who is the creator of
documentary and team member at BTC pays

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server in charge of, you know, uh, our
media or socials, uh, is he wanted.

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Uh, he wanted to give, um, like a video
format, uh, that goes along with, um,

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what's, what's exactly the name of, of the
book that, um, like block size, uh, wars.

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Yeah.

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Like he wanted to give a video format.

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So anyone that reads the book and
wants like, Hey, I want to know

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more, um, is there another resource?

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Yeah.

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Thanks.

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It was like, Hey, there is a
video, there is a documentary.

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And it really covers how
BTCPacer as a project started.

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And hopefully, like, it's not only
about us as a project and how Nikola

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started the project, how I joined, how
Palonex joined, Kooks, what the project

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and the work on it, like done for us.

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But it's more like, I really
hope it inspires people.

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I think it does, I think it already does,
and you could already see it in Warsaw,

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I mean, for those who don't know, like,
at the time, during the block size wars,

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there was this company called BitPay.

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Yes.

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And they had like, there's a centralized
unit that had sort, sort of the

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entire payments market in, in Bitcoin

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Nicholas was even encouraging
everyone to use BitPay.

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before,

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Before BTCPacer, that's why he was so,
like, pissed off, is because he sent all

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the people to BitPay and then BitPay was
now taking all the people to SegWit2x.

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Yeah.

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the BitPay wanted the SegWit2x hard
fork, which would have set a precedent

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for increasing the block size even more.

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Uh, which means it's more and
more expensive for new users to

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set up a node and to run a node.

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And the costlier that is, the
less decentralized Bitcoin is.

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And inevitably at some point, Bitcoin
doesn't work anymore because it's not

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decentralized and therefore not secure.

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It becomes a shitcoin.

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If that is allowed to happen, but
the users signaled that they wouldn't

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take this bullshit and we won.

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So for me, that was the point
in time where I was like, holy

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shit, Bitcoin actually works.

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It's like, I'm so.

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And like, committed now because,
like, this is the greatest thing

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ever, and I have lived through this.

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It actually worked.

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And I managed to get a hold of
my own keys and sell the shitcoin

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trash as soon as possible.

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all that, like,

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You actually sold the top.

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I did, like, almost the top, like, I think
I sold them for a fifth of a bitcoin each.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's it.

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20% ed my stack, like, I told my wife,
darling, you need to shut up now for a

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couple of hours and leave me the fuck
alone, because I'm going to do a thing.

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It's, I'm not going to be
able to explain it to you,

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with the other

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here I am, uh, you know, seven years
down the line trying to explain it to

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other people, but anyway, or six years,

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I think I sold the Bitcoin gold, but
I didn't bother with the other forks

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because it was too little to like,
and there was also like, if you did it

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the wrong way, and like a little later
down the line that could be tracked so

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that people knew that you were doing
like, well, Well, it was what it was.

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Yeah, it was really amazing times.

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You should have, you should have held
your Bitcoin cash or B cash as Carvalho

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was, because you could have got BSV,
you know, the ultimate shit coin.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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of, yeah, B cash like that.

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But to me, it was like a
cross between a train robbery.

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No, a train crash and a Christmas gift.

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Like something in between.

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No, I mean, I really hope we
inspire people to like look up those

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times because it was crazy times.

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You just get, imagine you get now
something that increases your Bitcoin

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stack by 20%, 20 percent like.

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yeah, and someone is willing to sell you
some obvious shit for the best thing ever.

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And it's like, of course
I'm going to sell the shit.

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Like it's cryptographic fecal matter.

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What, what can I do with it?

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So, uh, and I mean, uh, the, the other
thing that happened during that time is

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like, uh, I wrote an article about how to.

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Gain control of your own keys because
I, I needed to tell my, teach myself how

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to do that because at the time, that was
not something that like, uh, layman level

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Bitcoiners were even thinking about doing.

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Everyone was using custodial
either blockchain info or Coinbase.

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Right.

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Those were sort of the
only wallets around.

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blockchain.

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info.

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Hey, Mandrik.

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Yeah.

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So, so, uh, I needed to, um,
teach myself how to do that.

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And then I wrote an article
about that, and that's the first.

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article that got sort
of semi viral of mine.

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So it got like 70, 000 reads or something.

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And then I thought, holy shit,
maybe there's a value to, to like

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Yeah.

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writing about this stuff.

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Yeah.

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That's, see, that's, that's one
of the things that people don't

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get about big conflicts and chaos.

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It, it gives rise to new
people, new characters.

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And, uh, I didn't know that.

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Yeah.

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About you.

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Um, I'm actually now that,
yeah, thank you, Roger Ver, uh,

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Yeah.

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Thank you, Roger.

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yeah, for getting us Knut.

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So, so, uh, no, no, that's, that's really
great because even kind of conflicts

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that we now have in Bitcoin, well,
We'll, we'll produce someone who is

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like, okay, you know, like, fuck this.

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I'm going to do, yeah, something else.

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And they're going to produce
beautiful outcomes and results

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yeah.

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And to continue the
story about, uh, B2C pay.

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Yeah.

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So Nicholas Doer, the founder of
B2C Pay server, didn't take this.

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He's like, no, I reject your proposition.

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And or what's the, what's the tweet?

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The

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yeah, so they published a blog post
saying, uh, merchants upgrade to

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Bitcore, uh, and, uh, didn't mention
SegWit2x or anything there, uh, And

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it is, it's an upgrade of Bitcoin
and Nicholas responded to their tweet

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linking to blog post with, this is lies.

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My trust in you is broken.

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I will make you obsolete.

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Yes, and he did.

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yeah, as they say in the documentary
and documentary is on YouTube.

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If you search BTC pay
documentary, you will find it.

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Yeah.

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My trust in you is broken.

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That's the name of it, right?

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it's exactly, Parker took that, uh, that,
that started a tweet and it's such a

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powerful tweet, uh, but most of the people
at the time were telling like, they were

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like, this guy's crazy, like BitPay just
raised 60 million, like they got money

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from Bitmain as well, they got money from
all the, you know, big Entities and funds.

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They're like, how will single
developer obsolete them?

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It doesn't make any sense, but

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No, but it's, it's sort of like
the same message as Bitcoin itself.

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Like, uh, uh, uh, my trust in
you is broken is what Bitcoin

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is saying to central banking.

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And we're, okay, I'm going to
fight like the biggest power in the

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entire world and I'm going to win.

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And that's what Bitcoin is doing
and has been doing all along.

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So it's, it is literally echoing
the ethos of the idea itself.

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yeah.

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And it is so exciting to be part of
this band of misfits in Bitcoin, because

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if you look at the history, history
is just a constant flow of human.

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Individual freedom increasing through
technology because it's, it, what, what

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could have someone done in, you know,
1971 when Nixon just decided like, Oh,

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can't redeem gold, like there is no
technology for you to, to fight that.

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But as we now see through.

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Bitcoin, through what you say, BTC pay
server, through other tools that are being

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built, it's like you as an individual, if
you embrace those tools, if you use those

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tools, you can really get to the point
where you are a sovereign individual,

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uh, and you That's, that more also goes
into the creed and history of cypherpunks

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because, yeah, they especially really
saw well how this digital society and

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information madness will just increase.

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And then you as an individual will
need to have technology and tools to

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defend your freedom because, yeah,
you'll just, as information madness

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increases, you'll just have more and
more crazy individuals like around you.

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yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And, uh, where the crazy ones, the
misfits, the blah, blah, blah, the

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Steve Jobs speech comes to mind.

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But I think you guys.

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Uh, like it's underappreciated
what a mark you made on history

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because you set such a good example
for other companies to follow.

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So where there was once local bitcoins,
there is now, you know, HODL, HODL,

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and BISC, and PEACH, and WEXEL.

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and stuff like that.

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There's just growing new stuff
coming, uh, where there was once

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a social media conglomerate, big
thingies, there is now Nostr.

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And like, and I think all of
those projects are, are inspired

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by how, by your guys move and
like how that actually worked.

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And it's just fantastic to see.

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So it's, it's rockstar stuff.

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hey, thank you.

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Uh, I'm just small part of it, but yeah,
it is that, uh, free and open source

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software creed and, uh, yeah, you wear
a start nine t shirt, my good friend,

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another thing.

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Yeah.

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It's, you can download that
OS and flash any device.

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That's really

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Highly recommended.

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recommended because that's the future
that I see, um, make a good future because

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us cypherpunks, it's all about ensuring
that we do not end in a cyberpunk.

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Because cyberpunk is high
technology, low quality of living

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for most of the population.

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So there is not even like 1%, but 0.

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01 percent of ultra rich who now have
access to all the resources through

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technology, like through automation,
through like, Hey, I'm the one controlling

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the AI that controls the whole planet.

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Um, yeah.

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And everyone else is like, Hey.

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I, I want to live well, what can I trade
you in, in return of you, like, not,

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like, even like giving me something is
like, well, you can't offer me nothing.

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You're just, you're a piece of meat,
and, yeah, so, we don't want that.

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We want to,

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Well, you can be voting cattle.

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Sacrificed on the altar of democracy.

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That's what you can be

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Yeah, like, oh yeah, be
like a part of the ritual,

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Yeah, yeah.

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And

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ritual, like live in a pod, eat

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you're on employed in the public
sector or if you're on social security

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or some sort of support mechanism

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UBI, yeah,

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not basic and not even income, uh, like
the federal reserve is not federal,

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not the reserve and not the bank.

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Uh, this, uh, you are very unlikely to
vote against the hand that feeds you.

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And that's what feeds the machine.

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So,

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NPC army, like part of that,

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And, uh, well, now there's
a way to not participate.

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And, like, we were talking to
Alex Svetsky about Sattlantis

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yesterday, which is a great, another
tool, the way we see this, like,

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I actually like that he's
building it for himself, yeah,

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Yeah, and

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that's always good.

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uh, like a way of building layers
of, like, decentralized, nation

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states on top of whatever the
legacy system thinks is real.

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You, you can like, we
can organize ourselves.

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We can, we can, we can truly,
uh, it's truly fuck you money.

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And it's truly fuck you technology where
we can do other things than that normies

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Yeah, that's, that's where I started
like this conversation before I went

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full cypherpunk, uh, but I would start
nine and BTC pay server and Bitcoin,

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like you as an individual, you take all
these technologies and you make your

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freedom stack and you're in charge.

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And I really see for.

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Um, a lot of individuals, maybe this
will not be feasible, but, uh, because

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it's kind of like a cycle of life, a
circle where we may get to the point

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where you have an individual in your
community that it takes care of the stack.

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Like it's maybe, you know, part,
someone, part of your family, or it's

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a crazy uncle, Uncle Jim, there we go.

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Yeah.

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I, uh,

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Uncle Ben, there are
many Ben's in Bitcoin.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So

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a lot of Luke's as well.

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Uncle

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uncle Luke.

401
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Yeah.

402
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Well, canoe will be in charge of singing.

403
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Yeah.

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Especially

405
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Oh yeah, yeah.

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The Omoro flyer.

407
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Yes,

408
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doing Omo tonight.

409
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Wish me luck.

410
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Yeah.

411
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No, no.

412
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You don't need

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Well, come to the next Satoshi
Rakamoto in Rigo or Prague next year

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or wherever the fuck it is next,

415
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Nashville maybe,

416
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Nashville, yeah, yeah, yeah.

417
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Riga

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Yeah, but to finish what I was

419
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

420
00:22:19,602 --> 00:22:20,142
Sorry, sorry,

421
00:22:20,162 --> 00:22:21,502
you're too, you're too excited.

422
00:22:21,592 --> 00:22:22,012
yeah, yeah.

423
00:22:22,012 --> 00:22:22,702
I'm too excited.

424
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I have a rockstar here.

425
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what I was going to say is if.

426
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We can go in that direction.

427
00:22:30,906 --> 00:22:34,306
And you even just have one
individual who can do that.

428
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That's how you can create real like
pockets of freedom, like a little tribes

429
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where, you know, like you live in an
environment where you You don't need

430
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phones or you don't need to constantly
be like worrying about what will come

431
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from the outside and like attack you,
but rather it's like a little oasis.

432
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And I think we're going to create them
through this freedom technology because

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for a lot of individuals, like you
can already create it as individual,

434
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but it's just kind of boring, right?

435
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Being just by yourself.

436
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And then where I think government gets.

437
00:23:13,676 --> 00:23:18,986
Most even like digital nomads is
family is like, once you do get

438
00:23:19,006 --> 00:23:25,016
kids, like you're anchored to the
school, to the local community.

439
00:23:25,296 --> 00:23:27,776
And that's where they get you and tax you.

440
00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:33,766
Um, and that's where they drag you into
local, like stupid politics of, Oh,

441
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we got to change your school rules.

442
00:23:35,966 --> 00:23:40,306
So your kids need to,
yeah, do this, do that.

443
00:23:41,511 --> 00:23:45,301
Yeah, you can do, or you need
to ask us for permission.

444
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That's crazy thing I've heard of this
conference, uh, in Germany, like you need

445
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to ask for permission for a kid to not be
in school for a certain amount of time.

446
00:23:56,271 --> 00:23:58,231
Like, so if you want to take
them to the conference, you

447
00:23:58,231 --> 00:23:59,361
need to ask for permission.

448
00:23:59,496 --> 00:23:59,916
yeah.

449
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Same across Europe.

450
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Like, I think both in Sweden and Spain,
where I've been, it's a week per semester.

451
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Like, you can take a week off per semester
without asking for permission, but

452
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Anything above that, you need a like a
written thing, and I know a Swedish, I

453
00:24:17,426 --> 00:24:21,766
just heard like last month about a Swedish
couple that has been taking their kids

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to Thailand for a month per year, every
year since like five years back, and now

455
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the school said, no, you can't, and they
said like, well, yeah, what are you going

456
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to do about it, and they went, I And
when they came back, they got a 6, 000

457
00:24:36,166 --> 00:24:39,476
fine for, for taking the kid to Thailand.

458
00:24:40,016 --> 00:24:43,716
And I bet you that kid learned
more by doing that than by

459
00:24:43,726 --> 00:24:46,666
staying ba ba ba in the whatever,

460
00:24:47,321 --> 00:24:49,251
What did they learn in Thailand exactly?

461
00:24:49,291 --> 00:24:49,661
no,

462
00:24:49,766 --> 00:24:50,596
Oh yeah, no, no.

463
00:24:50,766 --> 00:24:52,596
I, I'm sure the story had a happy ending.

464
00:24:52,596 --> 00:25:00,311
Yeah.

465
00:25:01,381 --> 00:25:04,701
I'll, I'll go, I'll, I'll stop laughing.

466
00:25:04,711 --> 00:25:09,281
Number one, number two is,
yeah, very mature bitcoiners.

467
00:25:09,401 --> 00:25:12,021
Number two, like it doesn't even matter.

468
00:25:12,281 --> 00:25:16,561
That's the thing is like, that's
how far they, they got people like

469
00:25:16,871 --> 00:25:21,551
and programmed us is like, Hey,
like, why are you going to Thailand?

470
00:25:21,601 --> 00:25:24,586
It's like, Hey, Why the
fuck should I tell to you?

471
00:25:24,586 --> 00:25:26,196
It's like, who, who are you?

472
00:25:26,196 --> 00:25:28,446
Like it's, it's, yeah, it's your kid.

473
00:25:28,486 --> 00:25:30,476
It's not their kid.

474
00:25:30,506 --> 00:25:39,196
And this is the part of information
madness as well, because, I mean, you have

475
00:25:39,196 --> 00:25:45,226
a lot of like individuals that are lonely,
that are lost and they end up being in

476
00:25:45,396 --> 00:25:50,986
like positions of teachers or education
of kids and they're like, Oh, we had this.

477
00:25:51,551 --> 00:25:56,431
Madness in US, someone may find, like,
I think even Joe Biden, it was, in

478
00:25:56,431 --> 00:26:01,871
the video, saying, like, to educators,
like, oh, it's your kids, like, no, man,

479
00:26:02,191 --> 00:26:06,831
it's not your kids, it's like, kids of
the family, like, it's not state kids,

480
00:26:06,831 --> 00:26:12,281
it's not educator kids, like, they
have a job, their job is to educate

481
00:26:12,281 --> 00:26:17,466
kids, but there is a certain boundary,
And like, like stop with the nonsense.

482
00:26:17,516 --> 00:26:18,016
So

483
00:26:18,051 --> 00:26:25,411
I remember that was one of my favorite
parts of like when Richard Dawkins

484
00:26:25,421 --> 00:26:30,711
book The God Delusion, there's a
section in that where he claims that

485
00:26:30,711 --> 00:26:34,501
there's no such thing as a Jewish
child, a Christian child, a Muslim

486
00:26:34,501 --> 00:26:39,141
child, because all of these things
are ideas, sets of ideas that are put

487
00:26:39,141 --> 00:26:41,081
into the child as the child grows up.

488
00:26:41,591 --> 00:26:44,791
But I would take it all
the steps down the line.

489
00:26:44,801 --> 00:26:50,881
There's no such thing as an American
child, a Russian child, or like, the child

490
00:26:51,541 --> 00:26:56,371
doesn't get the software or the firmware
until it's fucking installed in the child.

491
00:26:56,461 --> 00:27:02,671
Like, we tell them that this is
the way the world works, and that

492
00:27:02,871 --> 00:27:07,191
we need to admit to ourselves that
that is, that are all layers on top.

493
00:27:07,231 --> 00:27:08,761
It has nothing to do with reality.

494
00:27:08,956 --> 00:27:14,066
So question for you, why
do these delusions exist?

495
00:27:14,469 --> 00:27:18,834
Uh, because Of the urge for
there to be a free lunch.

496
00:27:19,194 --> 00:27:22,134
I think that is the root
cause of all human problems.

497
00:27:22,254 --> 00:27:26,804
People want there to be an easy
solution to, to all the problems.

498
00:27:27,384 --> 00:27:32,054
Uh, and they want there to be a free
lunch, which means they want, they, they

499
00:27:32,054 --> 00:27:34,994
want someone to tell them, no problem.

500
00:27:34,999 --> 00:27:37,379
I'm gonna fix this because I'm good.

501
00:27:37,544 --> 00:27:39,314
And, uh, all the other people are bad.

502
00:27:39,694 --> 00:27:42,514
And that's how the, uh,
narcissistic psychopaths get in.

503
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:46,499
Get into positions of power by
fooling people that there's a free

504
00:27:46,499 --> 00:27:48,289
lunch, but there is no free lunch.

505
00:27:48,329 --> 00:27:49,519
There is no second breakfast.

506
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:54,229
There is, there is hard
work and proof of results.

507
00:27:54,309 --> 00:27:55,369
And that's all that matters.

508
00:27:55,899 --> 00:27:57,199
That's, that's my two sats.

509
00:27:57,244 --> 00:28:05,324
Let, let me approach it from my
perspective of like that exists.

510
00:28:05,854 --> 00:28:09,504
Like, I don't know if I should call it
the delusion, but maybe, yeah, for the

511
00:28:09,504 --> 00:28:13,734
sake of this conversation, like let's
call it the delusion, uh, I think it

512
00:28:13,734 --> 00:28:17,334
exists because it's a very useful crutch.

513
00:28:18,139 --> 00:28:23,829
You know, it's, it's a, it's a thing that
helps you on, on, on your way and in your

514
00:28:23,829 --> 00:28:31,839
life, because Uh, imagine like you're
a kid blessed with, uh, experience and

515
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:39,199
the wisdom of Knut and you're growing
up in, uh, Russia and you're like being

516
00:28:39,199 --> 00:28:41,059
programmed and you're like, Oh fuck.

517
00:28:41,089 --> 00:28:42,689
I know I'm being programmed.

518
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:43,609
I don't

519
00:28:43,639 --> 00:28:44,689
want to be programmed.

520
00:28:44,689 --> 00:28:47,649
And it's like, so you start
this struggle and this battle,

521
00:28:47,659 --> 00:28:49,409
but what can you really do?

522
00:28:49,834 --> 00:28:55,714
Uh, and I see it as a, it's very
useful to be part of the group.

523
00:28:56,254 --> 00:29:01,224
And then as you're part of the group,
uh, you're using this knowledge, like

524
00:29:01,224 --> 00:29:06,854
this imperfect knowledge on your journey
to perfection, because that's what I

525
00:29:06,864 --> 00:29:09,254
think it comes for every individual.

526
00:29:09,254 --> 00:29:16,054
Like this whole life, this experience is
like you get this block of time and, uh,

527
00:29:17,019 --> 00:29:21,099
You're trying to get to know the truth.

528
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:22,199
Yeah.

529
00:29:22,404 --> 00:29:24,954
You, you have to get out of
the, the group mentality.

530
00:29:24,954 --> 00:29:25,494
Exactly.

531
00:29:25,499 --> 00:29:29,124
You, you, you have to, you have to
get past it in order to become a

532
00:29:29,124 --> 00:29:30,834
self-actualized individual, basically.

533
00:29:30,849 --> 00:29:32,699
And in order to appreciate it.

534
00:29:32,719 --> 00:29:33,169
Because.

535
00:29:34,419 --> 00:29:39,169
Ideas are, like, there's value in
most of them, like, these things,

536
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:42,229
these groupings, I mean, there are

537
00:29:42,669 --> 00:29:44,199
Like they exist for a reason.

538
00:29:44,259 --> 00:29:44,709
Yeah.

539
00:29:44,989 --> 00:29:45,349
Yeah.

540
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:51,029
just, the thing people need to understand
is that psychopaths use these narratives

541
00:29:51,069 --> 00:29:55,769
to fucking control people, and that's
the mindset you need to get out of.

542
00:29:56,019 --> 00:30:01,379
at the cypherpunk meeting, like I, uh,
well, not cypherpunk meeting, cypherpunk

543
00:30:01,429 --> 00:30:05,699
panel, we had so many cypherpunk events
here, you should, like, look them up.

544
00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:12,969
Um, I said that I actually, in the
last few years, Knut, you will love

545
00:30:12,969 --> 00:30:16,339
this, I, I grew to appreciate politics.

546
00:30:16,809 --> 00:30:17,019
Yeah,

547
00:30:17,089 --> 00:30:21,269
I like politics because what would
we do with all the psychopaths?

548
00:30:21,729 --> 00:30:26,219
Like they would be organizing gangs,
they were like extorting people.

549
00:30:26,719 --> 00:30:32,079
Yeah, but, but, but, but they get
this like nice format of every

550
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:34,099
like four years, like election.

551
00:30:34,099 --> 00:30:39,429
So they need to like dress up and be like,
Hey, everyone, I really care about you.

552
00:30:39,469 --> 00:30:42,199
Like they need, they need to be nice.

553
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:46,179
And then when you record them off
camera, like they're terrible people.

554
00:30:46,189 --> 00:30:49,959
Like, yeah, but, but they,
they get, it's a nice format.

555
00:30:50,299 --> 00:30:50,949
So.

556
00:30:51,699 --> 00:30:53,419
And then they get to fight each other.

557
00:30:53,419 --> 00:30:56,229
It's like modern gladiator, yeah, fights.

558
00:30:56,509 --> 00:30:58,119
The only, like, I love it.

559
00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:04,449
The only problem, the only problem
is they also control money printer.

560
00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:11,764
So imagine, yeah, once Bitcoin defunds
them, they will still like, they will

561
00:31:11,764 --> 00:31:13,694
continue running these elections and

562
00:31:13,724 --> 00:31:15,354
will still have entertainment value,

563
00:31:15,774 --> 00:31:19,854
but yeah, they, they will not
have access to money printer.

564
00:31:19,894 --> 00:31:23,884
I do feel for people that will
not be on Bitcoin standard.

565
00:31:24,294 --> 00:31:27,244
Because fiat currencies,
they're not going away.

566
00:31:27,644 --> 00:31:31,944
These politicians will continue
increasing government programs and

567
00:31:32,144 --> 00:31:36,454
like, Oh, during my election, I
have promised I'm going to do this.

568
00:31:36,634 --> 00:31:37,784
Now I'm doing this.

569
00:31:37,804 --> 00:31:38,214
It's like

570
00:31:38,624 --> 00:31:43,634
and as long as people fall for it, they
are going to continue, that's like, and

571
00:31:43,634 --> 00:31:47,724
people keep falling for like, this is
the euro, it's money, this is the dollar,

572
00:31:47,744 --> 00:31:50,814
it's money, it's not, it's, it's fake.

573
00:31:51,484 --> 00:31:57,844
Like, it's not doing it's job as money,
it's only good for medium of change over

574
00:31:57,854 --> 00:32:03,014
space and not medium of change over time,
because, so, it's flawed, it's, yeah,

575
00:32:03,544 --> 00:32:09,044
I think Knut also, you're a perfectionist,
you will be like, uh, yeah, you, you, you

576
00:32:09,044 --> 00:32:14,974
are focusing, it's never black or white,
it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a scale.

577
00:32:15,044 --> 00:32:20,304
And I, I see like US dollars, they
are, listen, they're very useful

578
00:32:20,414 --> 00:32:27,374
because, uh, when I, when I give, let's
go, when I give this piece of paper,

579
00:32:27,814 --> 00:32:30,094
people, like, they're like happy.

580
00:32:30,489 --> 00:32:33,659
I give them, I give them
this piece of paper.

581
00:32:33,719 --> 00:32:35,239
They're like, ah, this is fake.

582
00:32:35,294 --> 00:32:38,074
even though that says
21 and this only says 1,

583
00:32:39,239 --> 00:32:40,019
Imagine that.

584
00:32:40,049 --> 00:32:40,309
Yeah.

585
00:32:40,309 --> 00:32:41,349
And this one has

586
00:32:41,614 --> 00:32:42,524
have one of these.

587
00:32:42,689 --> 00:32:49,259
yeah, well, uh, how about, how about you
have one of these that you have stamped

588
00:32:49,289 --> 00:32:51,999
because these are my business card, I

589
00:32:52,009 --> 00:32:54,609
inferior quality, for sure.

590
00:32:55,619 --> 00:32:55,869
Yeah.

591
00:32:55,869 --> 00:32:56,539
There's some old

592
00:32:56,679 --> 00:32:59,979
No, listen, let's make,
let's make it into, uh,

593
00:33:00,379 --> 00:33:00,649
here.

594
00:33:01,149 --> 00:33:02,019
yeah, what does it

595
00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:02,929
What does that mean?

596
00:33:04,479 --> 00:33:06,719
The I on the top
supposedly means something.

597
00:33:06,719 --> 00:33:07,929
Let's not get into that today.

598
00:33:07,929 --> 00:33:08,999
No, no, no, we

599
00:33:09,059 --> 00:33:11,519
says, it doesn't say in God we verify.

600
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:13,519
It says in God we trust for some reason.

601
00:33:13,529 --> 00:33:15,469
And this is what we do now, Knut.

602
00:33:15,989 --> 00:33:17,309
Put it here and we say,

603
00:33:17,524 --> 00:33:19,924
Yeah,

604
00:33:20,529 --> 00:33:22,169
buy Bitcoin, we trust.

605
00:33:22,184 --> 00:33:23,874
put stamps on dollars.

606
00:33:23,904 --> 00:33:25,324
Don't put them on Bitcoin.

607
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:28,129
See,

608
00:33:28,134 --> 00:33:29,294
do it the other way around.

609
00:33:29,539 --> 00:33:29,849
and

610
00:33:30,104 --> 00:33:30,744
just mean.

611
00:33:31,889 --> 00:33:33,319
then you can do it.

612
00:33:35,964 --> 00:33:36,644
There we go.

613
00:33:38,614 --> 00:33:40,144
Yeah, here we go.

614
00:33:40,144 --> 00:33:41,524
Luke, you want to, you want to try?

615
00:33:41,954 --> 00:33:42,944
You want one on your own?

616
00:33:43,734 --> 00:33:44,714
Here, stamp away.

617
00:33:46,544 --> 00:33:47,614
This is fantastic.

618
00:33:47,969 --> 00:33:48,879
Well,

619
00:33:49,014 --> 00:33:51,324
For those of you listening
to the show, we are right now

620
00:33:51,354 --> 00:33:53,254
putting stamps on US dollars.

621
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:54,469
yes.

622
00:33:56,239 --> 00:33:56,689
Yeah.

623
00:33:56,854 --> 00:33:58,284
We're making our ordinals.

624
00:33:58,909 --> 00:34:00,599
We're printing, we're printing money.

625
00:34:00,724 --> 00:34:02,314
Yeah, there you go.

626
00:34:02,644 --> 00:34:05,634
So it's, it's useful.

627
00:34:05,744 --> 00:34:11,454
It's a tool that's loo that's
losing its usefulness as

628
00:34:11,464 --> 00:34:13,994
more and more people realize.

629
00:34:14,534 --> 00:34:15,784
What they're doing to us.

630
00:34:15,814 --> 00:34:18,494
And as I said, it's a cycle of life.

631
00:34:18,574 --> 00:34:20,834
Like the same thing
happened in Roman Empire.

632
00:34:20,884 --> 00:34:23,534
Like it was, it was, yeah,
a hundred percent gold.

633
00:34:23,534 --> 00:34:23,774
Yeah.

634
00:34:23,774 --> 00:34:31,954
But then it's like 90%, 80, and you just
want to recognize when you're being played

635
00:34:32,364 --> 00:34:41,404
so you can exit, exit the scam and enter
into, yeah, new, uh, You know, new, new

636
00:34:41,424 --> 00:34:45,074
paradigm, new, like something that's
growing, not something that's dying.

637
00:34:45,549 --> 00:34:49,859
if, if you own the house and someone
wrote a paper saying I own the

638
00:34:49,859 --> 00:34:52,139
house now, you wouldn't fall for it.

639
00:34:52,569 --> 00:34:57,609
But that is exactly what this is saying
that these bills are claims on your stuff

640
00:34:57,709 --> 00:35:01,919
that someone is conjuring out of thin air
and they can exchange it for the stuff

641
00:35:01,949 --> 00:35:07,299
you have even though they just made it up.

642
00:35:07,554 --> 00:35:15,184
No, uh, listen, I, on behalf of all
of us living in the United States

643
00:35:15,184 --> 00:35:21,894
of America, like, sorry guys,
I, um, the biggest export of U.

644
00:35:21,894 --> 00:35:22,374
S.

645
00:35:22,904 --> 00:35:23,954
is inflation.

646
00:35:24,514 --> 00:35:28,644
Like every time we decide there in the U.

647
00:35:28,644 --> 00:35:29,004
S.

648
00:35:29,034 --> 00:35:32,754
to be like, Oh, listen, we need, we need,
we really need this government program.

649
00:35:32,774 --> 00:35:37,274
Like we need to increase defense
spending because America is so threatened

650
00:35:37,444 --> 00:35:39,724
militarily by the rest of the world.

651
00:35:39,974 --> 00:35:41,744
So sorry, Knut, like we just need to

652
00:35:41,869 --> 00:35:42,569
No, no, no, I

653
00:35:42,574 --> 00:35:43,394
you won't attack

654
00:35:43,409 --> 00:35:44,729
it's, it's not salad.

655
00:35:44,939 --> 00:35:45,619
That's for sure.

656
00:35:45,619 --> 00:35:46,449
It's not salad.

657
00:35:46,714 --> 00:35:54,649
So, so then We print a bunch of
these and, uh, someone that's holding

658
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,149
us dollars, like outside of us,
suddenly they have 5 percent less,

659
00:35:59,149 --> 00:36:01,289
like, or 10 percent in real value.

660
00:36:01,299 --> 00:36:04,449
Like there, there is some grant,
poor grandma that was like

661
00:36:04,449 --> 00:36:08,999
saving in local currency, then
switch to, you know, us dollars.

662
00:36:09,049 --> 00:36:09,979
Oh, sorry, grandma.

663
00:36:10,279 --> 00:36:11,709
Like you're part of the.

664
00:36:12,264 --> 00:36:19,044
Like this theft that's happening and
nothing you can do, like, it's not nothing

665
00:36:19,044 --> 00:36:20,694
against you, but nothing you can do.

666
00:36:20,714 --> 00:36:24,994
Like, thankfully grandma can
now switch to Bitcoin and there

667
00:36:24,994 --> 00:36:28,314
is no one that can do that.

668
00:36:28,604 --> 00:36:33,234
So hopefully we get as many people
on Bitcoin standard as possible.

669
00:36:33,449 --> 00:36:38,999
In Scandinavia, where I grew up,
there's a, uh, like, there's a

670
00:36:38,999 --> 00:36:43,189
tendency of the people to view
Americans as evil capitalists.

671
00:36:43,794 --> 00:36:47,744
Uh, and that capitalism is the
root cause of all these problems.

672
00:36:48,034 --> 00:36:49,084
Oh yeah, of

673
00:36:49,214 --> 00:36:54,884
so, so, during the Trump era, uh, or
the previous Trump era, the, uh, the

674
00:36:55,054 --> 00:37:00,944
narrative was that he was, like, the most
evil capitalist, and, like, the, the,

675
00:37:00,974 --> 00:37:06,474
the epiphany of, like, the Uncle Scrooge
character, like, the, the, uh, like, the

676
00:37:06,629 --> 00:37:07,449
Another uncle.

677
00:37:07,689 --> 00:37:08,169
Another

678
00:37:08,224 --> 00:37:08,624
another

679
00:37:09,024 --> 00:37:09,245
No, no.

680
00:37:09,339 --> 00:37:10,239
Let's listen.

681
00:37:10,299 --> 00:37:12,819
That's the real UN uncle network.

682
00:37:13,169 --> 00:37:14,629
Like Yeah.

683
00:37:14,689 --> 00:37:17,029
That will be D-U-N-D-U-N

684
00:37:18,134 --> 00:37:24,329
Okay, but anyway Anyway, so, so, when
Trump gave out a thousand dollars

685
00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:26,349
to each and every American citizen

686
00:37:26,709 --> 00:37:27,129
oh yeah.

687
00:37:27,129 --> 00:37:28,359
Sorry about that guys.

688
00:37:28,589 --> 00:37:35,209
yeah, yeah, during COVID, uh, or
NOVID, they, they didn't, uh, no one

689
00:37:35,209 --> 00:37:38,769
understood that what he was actually
doing was pickpocketing everyone else

690
00:37:38,769 --> 00:37:43,499
on earth who wasn't American, because
he conjures them out of, uh, thin

691
00:37:43,499 --> 00:37:46,769
air, and, uh, oil is priced on them.

692
00:37:47,029 --> 00:37:50,859
So, like, he's stealing everyone
else's oil to pay for your

693
00:37:50,859 --> 00:37:53,689
hamburgers, like, and you can't have

694
00:37:53,724 --> 00:37:55,009
mean, we really needed it.

695
00:37:55,189 --> 00:37:58,289
it's not really hamburgers, it's nothing
burgers, and you can't have a nothing

696
00:37:58,289 --> 00:38:00,579
burger without word salad, like, so,

697
00:38:01,339 --> 00:38:05,784
You wanna know the best part of it, like
Warren Buffet also got those checks.

698
00:38:06,139 --> 00:38:06,899
Warren Buffet.

699
00:38:07,099 --> 00:38:11,699
The Warren Buffet, because he, he
does the whole thing with like, not,

700
00:38:11,739 --> 00:38:16,629
um, uh, having a salary that's like
nominal, like a hundred thousand

701
00:38:16,629 --> 00:38:18,389
a year, and then reports income.

702
00:38:18,689 --> 00:38:21,649
And it was like under threshold
for those COVID checks.

703
00:38:21,759 --> 00:38:23,079
And there were multiple of them.

704
00:38:23,459 --> 00:38:31,689
So, so I, I tried to find the funny side
in it, like how, how broken the system

705
00:38:31,689 --> 00:38:37,159
is, because once you start thinking
about it and rationalizing, you're like,

706
00:38:37,524 --> 00:38:42,624
You can really get upset how irrational
everything is and broken, or you're like,

707
00:38:42,624 --> 00:38:48,994
like, this is so retarded that like,
it's kind of like those, those protests

708
00:38:49,014 --> 00:38:54,414
that happened in the U S and it's like
a fiery, but mostly peaceful protests.

709
00:38:54,684 --> 00:38:57,374
Like everyone watching that video,
like, you know, it was like, okay,

710
00:38:57,374 --> 00:39:04,664
this is wrong, even if I'm supporting
the cause, but I, I always, I always,

711
00:39:04,664 --> 00:39:09,749
uh, you know, When the situation
is that crazy, I try to unwind.

712
00:39:09,779 --> 00:39:12,699
I go to like, what is the demon behind?

713
00:39:13,189 --> 00:39:17,839
Because when it gets to that point,
something is so broken that we need to

714
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:22,829
go layers deeper to find the real cause.

715
00:39:23,364 --> 00:39:29,634
And, uh, yeah, what's your, what you're
describing just the ability of us to

716
00:39:29,634 --> 00:39:38,174
print money and fund, uh, these failing
programs, uh, send, uh, money overseas

717
00:39:38,184 --> 00:39:40,644
for completely like crazy causes.

718
00:39:40,914 --> 00:39:42,254
There is a joke in us.

719
00:39:42,254 --> 00:39:42,484
Yeah.

720
00:39:42,484 --> 00:39:47,454
That you, you as government is taxing
the poor in us to give to the rich

721
00:39:47,454 --> 00:39:52,484
outside of us with all the, like
the Saudis and like the programs.

722
00:39:52,624 --> 00:39:55,974
taxing the poor everyone,
everywhere else by doing inflation.

723
00:39:56,084 --> 00:39:57,554
Like, so they're taxing everyone.

724
00:39:57,644 --> 00:39:58,834
but it's not intentional.

725
00:39:58,854 --> 00:39:59,374
So sorry.

726
00:39:59,529 --> 00:40:04,674
No, no, it's Well, what it, what
it definitely isn't is capitalism.

727
00:40:05,094 --> 00:40:05,614
Oh,

728
00:40:05,684 --> 00:40:07,804
It's socialism, like, at best.

729
00:40:07,824 --> 00:40:09,194
It's communism, I would say.

730
00:40:09,574 --> 00:40:12,164
Like, it's a planned,
centrally planned economy.

731
00:40:12,164 --> 00:40:12,844
That's what it is.

732
00:40:13,164 --> 00:40:18,614
Hey, uh, those people, those people
are just, they never grew out of phase.

733
00:40:18,654 --> 00:40:20,444
And, and I actually, like, I, I've.

734
00:40:21,089 --> 00:40:27,499
I have a lot of compassion for socialists
and, uh, and people that, that continue

735
00:40:27,549 --> 00:40:33,689
to believe in those delusions because,
uh, there is a great saying that, uh,

736
00:40:33,939 --> 00:40:39,724
you know, if, if you are, um, Especially
in some kind of university, like we're

737
00:40:39,754 --> 00:40:44,044
talking to you students, like younger
people, this is uncle talk now, like

738
00:40:44,084 --> 00:40:49,154
if you do not become like a socialist
or even communist while you're at the

739
00:40:49,154 --> 00:40:54,674
university, you don't have heart, you
know, but, but if you do not, like by

740
00:40:54,674 --> 00:40:57,934
the time you're 30, you don't get out
of that delusion, like you don't have

741
00:40:57,944 --> 00:41:01,184
head, you're not rationally thinking.

742
00:41:01,844 --> 00:41:07,294
Because, again, I would argue
that money is one of the best

743
00:41:07,414 --> 00:41:09,654
tools humanity has invented.

744
00:41:09,904 --> 00:41:10,064
Because

745
00:41:10,334 --> 00:41:10,984
If not the best.

746
00:41:11,554 --> 00:41:18,554
yes, because it allows pursuit
of truth when used correctly.

747
00:41:18,984 --> 00:41:22,754
You have people like, Hey,
will you do this for me?

748
00:41:22,754 --> 00:41:23,534
They're like, no.

749
00:41:23,674 --> 00:41:23,944
Okay.

750
00:41:23,984 --> 00:41:24,944
Will you do this for me?

751
00:41:24,944 --> 00:41:28,994
If I give you a hundred thousand
dollars, there was going to, well, yes.

752
00:41:29,844 --> 00:41:37,824
And money when used properly
allows you to uncover crazy truths.

753
00:41:37,914 --> 00:41:39,714
And I won't go into details.

754
00:41:39,714 --> 00:41:41,604
This is like uncle talk, private talk.

755
00:41:42,564 --> 00:41:45,734
But, um, the problem is that.

756
00:41:46,124 --> 00:41:49,954
Money that we have now, like this
technology, this is where we should

757
00:41:49,954 --> 00:41:54,874
like take it off the table, like
this fiat nonsense, fake money.

758
00:41:55,194 --> 00:41:58,564
And we go to new form of money, Bitcoin.

759
00:41:58,664 --> 00:41:58,844
Yeah.

760
00:42:00,684 --> 00:42:05,354
Yeah, that's, we got to talk more
about that, but that's for me, like

761
00:42:05,374 --> 00:42:09,594
when people are like, Oh, capitalism
is corrupt, money is corrupt.

762
00:42:09,594 --> 00:42:11,564
It's like, no, it's not corrupt.

763
00:42:11,614 --> 00:42:13,224
It's too efficient.

764
00:42:14,864 --> 00:42:15,714
There is.

765
00:42:15,964 --> 00:42:24,984
Scary part of like where very well
run capitalist organization that

766
00:42:25,224 --> 00:42:28,514
produces phenomenal product prices.

767
00:42:28,514 --> 00:42:35,464
It like aggressively, like perfectly,
and then takes value from people and then

768
00:42:35,494 --> 00:42:42,284
just takes, so I don't know, I, I would
compare it even to like drug dealers.

769
00:42:43,014 --> 00:42:47,674
That's, that's, that's a scary part that
I think repels a lot of people that are

770
00:42:47,674 --> 00:42:55,114
like good hearted, they're like, why,
you know, can't we have a common this

771
00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:59,714
and that, but I would argue for those
people that they should go more like not.

772
00:43:00,169 --> 00:43:05,549
Waste time attacking capitalism from
their iPhones and all of that, but go

773
00:43:05,549 --> 00:43:10,729
towards commons, go towards nonprofit
organizations, like even come to open

774
00:43:10,729 --> 00:43:16,149
source, you know, like, and find community
there because you, you, you're then.

775
00:43:16,884 --> 00:43:18,304
You're not focused on money.

776
00:43:18,304 --> 00:43:22,514
You don't care if you will earn, you know,
10, 000, a hundred thousand, a million

777
00:43:22,514 --> 00:43:28,064
dollars a year, you care about your
reputation, about sense of doing good.

778
00:43:28,664 --> 00:43:29,994
So do that.

779
00:43:30,004 --> 00:43:35,264
Don't waste time, like attacking
capitalism or being like, money is evil.

780
00:43:35,264 --> 00:43:39,994
We got to live in communities where we're
going to barter and trade like favors.

781
00:43:41,514 --> 00:43:45,114
In your opinion, is reputation
a currency in itself?

782
00:43:45,634 --> 00:43:46,684
Oh, absolutely.

783
00:43:46,744 --> 00:43:50,754
I mean, not on this show because of.

784
00:43:51,084 --> 00:43:57,444
amount of money that I have or don't have,
um, on this show because of my reputation.

785
00:43:57,454 --> 00:44:04,004
So yeah, it's, it's, it's,
it's another form of currency

786
00:44:04,004 --> 00:44:06,574
and it's much better currency.

787
00:44:06,804 --> 00:44:07,494
Uh,

788
00:44:07,794 --> 00:44:10,204
Is it the currency, the
real currency of the future?

789
00:44:10,224 --> 00:44:16,064
Is that like, because I think that
Bitcoin and reputation go hand in hand,

790
00:44:16,074 --> 00:44:21,699
because it's a base layer of truth,
so over time, Untruthful people, bad

791
00:44:21,699 --> 00:44:25,949
people will be weeded out because of
their reputation getting destroyed.

792
00:44:25,949 --> 00:44:28,469
I mean, you can sell your soul,
but you can only do it once.

793
00:44:28,469 --> 00:44:29,429
You can't get it back.

794
00:44:29,789 --> 00:44:31,199
There's no refund policy.

795
00:44:31,499 --> 00:44:33,269
we becoming communists now, Knut?

796
00:44:33,779 --> 00:44:36,819
So we'll have a central
bureau of reputation, or?

797
00:44:36,939 --> 00:44:38,509
No, no, no, no, not at all.

798
00:44:38,509 --> 00:44:44,237
Are

799
00:44:46,269 --> 00:44:47,959
on Bitcoin standard.

800
00:44:49,869 --> 00:44:50,539
you communist?

801
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:51,849
Well, what do you mean standard?

802
00:44:51,869 --> 00:44:52,159
That's a

803
00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:58,537
a funny expression.

804
00:44:58,537 --> 00:44:59,843
Yeah, because This

805
00:45:00,271 --> 00:45:00,841
Hey look!

806
00:45:01,121 --> 00:45:02,711
Why did the chicken brush his teeth?

807
00:45:02,901 --> 00:45:03,561
Why, Knut?

808
00:45:03,791 --> 00:45:04,911
Do chickens even have teeth?

809
00:45:05,101 --> 00:45:07,491
To get to the bit box on
the other side of the road!

810
00:45:07,791 --> 00:45:09,281
What a fantastic idea.

811
00:45:09,651 --> 00:45:12,871
The Bitbox is our favorite hardware
wallet for a lot of reasons.

812
00:45:13,041 --> 00:45:15,201
It's easy to use, apparently
also for chickens.

813
00:45:15,521 --> 00:45:18,331
Bitbox cares about your
security and your privacy.

814
00:45:18,351 --> 00:45:21,531
They take measures to make sure
they're not collecting more information

815
00:45:21,541 --> 00:45:23,161
about you than they need to.

816
00:45:23,231 --> 00:45:25,541
And they also have
fantastic customer support.

817
00:45:25,571 --> 00:45:29,181
They get rave reviews, so if you have any
issues with your Bitbox, or you don't know

818
00:45:29,181 --> 00:45:32,696
how to use it for some reason Then they
can help you out and take care of you.

819
00:45:32,696 --> 00:45:33,346
So go to bitbox.

820
00:45:33,896 --> 00:45:39,556
swiss slash freedom or use code freedom
for 5 percent off your bitbox right now.

821
00:45:40,386 --> 00:45:43,926
Hey Luke, what's the difference between
a chickpea and a bitcoin advisor?

822
00:45:44,006 --> 00:45:44,726
What Knut?

823
00:45:45,046 --> 00:45:47,096
I never had a bitcoin advisor on my face.

824
00:45:47,706 --> 00:45:51,586
But you could have one in your face
because we're Bitcoin Advisors.

825
00:45:51,746 --> 00:45:52,476
That's right, Knut.

826
00:45:52,626 --> 00:45:56,016
We're working with the Bitcoin
Advisor and we're all about securing

827
00:45:56,016 --> 00:45:57,686
your Bitcoin for the long term.

828
00:45:57,876 --> 00:46:00,976
The Bitcoin Advisor has a
collaborative multi sig solution

829
00:46:01,036 --> 00:46:04,296
so that you can secure your Bitcoin
for the next 20 years and beyond.

830
00:46:04,711 --> 00:46:08,241
Even if you lose one of your keys
or something happens where it's an

831
00:46:08,241 --> 00:46:12,101
inheritance situation, they've got you
covered and we can help you get there.

832
00:46:12,221 --> 00:46:14,171
So, go to thebitcoinadvisor.

833
00:46:14,201 --> 00:46:18,511
com for more information or you can reach
out to us and book a call so that we

834
00:46:18,521 --> 00:46:20,011
can explain everything to you ourselves.

835
00:46:20,311 --> 00:46:21,191
Doesn't that sound awesome?

836
00:46:21,531 --> 00:46:23,741
Sounds absolutely spectacular.

837
00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:26,641
It's basically boating
accident insurance, isn't it?

838
00:46:26,971 --> 00:46:27,531
Exactly.

839
00:46:27,591 --> 00:46:29,681
Although, you know, boating accidents.

840
00:46:29,861 --> 00:46:33,971
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you could,
you could have boating accidents anyway.

841
00:46:34,001 --> 00:46:35,701
Like, I mean, whatever.

842
00:46:36,011 --> 00:46:37,121
Go to thebitcoinadvisor.

843
00:46:37,161 --> 00:46:38,051
com today.

844
00:46:38,741 --> 00:46:39,481
Do the things.

845
00:46:40,732 --> 00:46:43,902
All right, Luke, let's talk
about Riga, why people should

846
00:46:43,902 --> 00:46:45,642
go to Riga this specific year.

847
00:46:45,852 --> 00:46:47,092
There is so much here.

848
00:46:47,302 --> 00:46:51,072
I mean, Riga Bitcoin Week this
year is absolutely fantastic.

849
00:46:51,122 --> 00:46:55,202
It starts off with Noob Day
and following Noob Day, our own

850
00:46:55,252 --> 00:46:59,252
Infinity Day party at the basement
bar, which is just spectacular.

851
00:46:59,282 --> 00:47:01,712
I, and there's a rumor going
around that it'll be some free

852
00:47:01,712 --> 00:47:03,042
drinks or, or, or something.

853
00:47:03,322 --> 00:47:04,192
So that's just great.

854
00:47:04,212 --> 00:47:07,772
And after that, it's the Freedom
Unconference, which is a Nostr

855
00:47:07,772 --> 00:47:11,942
themed freedom couple of days
before the actual Riga Baltic

856
00:47:11,942 --> 00:47:13,442
Hunting Badger Conference starts.

857
00:47:13,712 --> 00:47:15,852
And after that, of course,
it's BTC Pay Server Day.

858
00:47:16,182 --> 00:47:18,792
And there are karaoke nights and
official parties and whatnot.

859
00:47:19,142 --> 00:47:23,922
So come celebrate Infinity Day and
the launch of The Inverse or Clown

860
00:47:23,922 --> 00:47:26,392
World, our new book, in Riga this year.

861
00:47:26,492 --> 00:47:29,462
Of course, 21st of August,
use code FREEDOM for 10

862
00:47:29,462 --> 00:47:30,812
percent off your Riga ticket.

863
00:47:31,102 --> 00:47:31,832
Don't miss this.

864
00:47:32,232 --> 00:47:33,472
Couldn't have said it better myself.

865
00:47:33,542 --> 00:47:34,382
I have nothing to add.

866
00:47:34,942 --> 00:47:36,472
You don't need to, you don't need to add.

867
00:47:36,482 --> 00:47:37,412
This was the ad.

868
00:47:37,832 --> 00:47:38,312
Oh, okay.

869
00:47:39,112 --> 00:47:39,702
Back to the show.

870
00:47:40,216 --> 00:47:43,186
But this is a segway to Nostr.

871
00:47:43,506 --> 00:47:45,876
The actual decentralized

872
00:47:46,056 --> 00:47:46,676
segway?

873
00:47:46,676 --> 00:47:48,056
You mean like a segway?

874
00:47:48,106 --> 00:47:50,036
Segway, yeah, segway?

875
00:47:50,046 --> 00:47:53,996
the The actual, the

876
00:47:54,091 --> 00:47:54,781
The segments?

877
00:47:54,781 --> 00:47:57,221
Um

878
00:47:57,386 --> 00:48:02,246
reputation, uh, distributed reputation
is the social graph on Nostr.

879
00:48:02,326 --> 00:48:02,696
Right?

880
00:48:02,936 --> 00:48:04,236
This is what we're learning.

881
00:48:04,246 --> 00:48:07,946
We've been Nostr deep diving
a lot here in this session.

882
00:48:08,596 --> 00:48:09,306
Absolutely.

883
00:48:09,516 --> 00:48:13,926
So you gave a talk in
the VIP lounge yesterday.

884
00:48:14,306 --> 00:48:15,456
Nostr something or other.

885
00:48:15,456 --> 00:48:16,576
I wasn't paying attention.

886
00:48:16,996 --> 00:48:17,336
yeah.

887
00:48:17,336 --> 00:48:19,186
Oh, you gave it.

888
00:48:19,546 --> 00:48:21,586
I was like, let me do it for you.

889
00:48:21,596 --> 00:48:26,056
Like the title was, uh, do Nostra
apps need to be profitable?

890
00:48:26,326 --> 00:48:31,326
And for our listeners, I can DLDR
the whole talk is like, no, Jack

891
00:48:31,326 --> 00:48:35,936
Dorsey is giving like the, all the
money now, but they don't need to

892
00:48:35,936 --> 00:48:37,626
be profitable now in the future.

893
00:48:38,076 --> 00:48:44,256
I would say that they are profitable,
that all acts are profitable to the,

894
00:48:44,256 --> 00:48:51,176
like, the, every entrepreneurial venture
is, uh, has the goal of profit, but

895
00:48:51,206 --> 00:48:54,206
it depends on how you define profit
because most people define it as

896
00:48:54,216 --> 00:48:56,826
something solely monetary, but it isn't.

897
00:48:57,376 --> 00:49:01,076
Profit can be, you know,
good for your soul.

898
00:49:01,186 --> 00:49:02,026
That's profit.

899
00:49:02,126 --> 00:49:02,846
Like, uh,

900
00:49:03,046 --> 00:49:07,656
You, you, Knut, you're just, I, I,
I'm gonna label you now, you're,

901
00:49:07,656 --> 00:49:11,086
you're like perfection extremist, yes,

902
00:49:11,586 --> 00:49:12,276
extremist?

903
00:49:12,626 --> 00:49:13,216
perfection

904
00:49:13,226 --> 00:49:16,046
I bet you my wife would
disagree with that.

905
00:49:16,866 --> 00:49:17,326
Yeah.

906
00:49:17,666 --> 00:49:21,816
I think that's because you
probably have set up your family

907
00:49:21,816 --> 00:49:24,086
like environment perfectly, so

908
00:49:24,156 --> 00:49:26,066
No, no, no, I haven't.

909
00:49:26,106 --> 00:49:26,986
with you, yeah.

910
00:49:27,076 --> 00:49:28,016
I've seen his house.

911
00:49:28,236 --> 00:49:29,536
He's not perfect.

912
00:49:29,571 --> 00:49:30,091
not?

913
00:49:32,201 --> 00:49:32,991
Oh my God.

914
00:49:35,211 --> 00:49:36,021
No, listen, you

915
00:49:36,086 --> 00:49:39,006
say you're the perfectionist,
you have the perfect outfit.

916
00:49:39,141 --> 00:49:39,621
Yeah.

917
00:49:39,671 --> 00:49:40,141
Yeah.

918
00:49:40,301 --> 00:49:47,151
Like all of you listening, this is
a, yeah, I'll have, uh, everyone

919
00:49:47,151 --> 00:49:50,971
listening, like you should, yeah,
tune up and switch to the video

920
00:49:50,991 --> 00:49:52,891
don't think anyone is
listening any longer.

921
00:49:52,891 --> 00:49:57,721
Like I think they all,
they all, they all stopped.

922
00:49:58,416 --> 00:49:58,726
I

923
00:49:58,911 --> 00:50:00,111
to my Cormac instead.

924
00:50:00,226 --> 00:50:06,816
uh, yeah, they are this, they're listening
from the point where you also jumped in.

925
00:50:06,816 --> 00:50:12,606
It's like a perfect segue because
we created such a great point from

926
00:50:12,606 --> 00:50:16,206
which we can go in all the different
direction in the conversation.

927
00:50:16,646 --> 00:50:20,746
So yeah, people are definitely listening,
but I'm going to, I was going to tell

928
00:50:20,776 --> 00:50:22,976
if you're listening audio version.

929
00:50:23,206 --> 00:50:28,126
You need to switch to video version
because obviously my perfection, right?

930
00:50:28,146 --> 00:50:30,756
Like that, but it wasn't the perfection.

931
00:50:30,816 --> 00:50:35,286
It will be, it will be now when I, uh,

932
00:50:35,821 --> 00:50:38,771
Oh, you've got the real deal here.

933
00:50:38,771 --> 00:50:39,071
Yeah.

934
00:50:39,071 --> 00:50:39,351
Yeah.

935
00:50:39,351 --> 00:50:40,131
Here we go.

936
00:50:41,206 --> 00:50:43,346
I put on, what is this?

937
00:50:43,346 --> 00:50:44,146
You can describe it,

938
00:50:44,191 --> 00:50:44,461
Yeah.

939
00:50:44,566 --> 00:50:45,206
in your sexy

940
00:50:45,581 --> 00:50:50,501
Rockstar is just pulling out a giant
green dildo to his pocket and his.

941
00:50:50,676 --> 00:50:52,306
you need to switch to video version.

942
00:50:52,466 --> 00:50:52,566
Yeah.

943
00:50:52,566 --> 00:50:52,966
Okay.

944
00:50:52,986 --> 00:50:54,696
And, and what are you, no, no, dildo.

945
00:50:54,726 --> 00:50:55,646
And what am I doing?

946
00:50:56,556 --> 00:50:57,646
You're, you're right now.

947
00:50:57,646 --> 00:50:59,246
I can't say this.

948
00:51:00,806 --> 00:51:01,126
Okay.

949
00:51:01,126 --> 00:51:03,086
He's attaching a pin to his jacket.

950
00:51:03,756 --> 00:51:05,026
What does the pin say?

951
00:51:07,656 --> 00:51:07,866
Oh,

952
00:51:07,936 --> 00:51:12,816
It's a symbolic representation of the
meme, everything divided by 21 million.

953
00:51:12,896 --> 00:51:13,246
Yes.

954
00:51:13,586 --> 00:51:16,716
It's an homage to Bitcoin's
infinite potential.

955
00:51:17,126 --> 00:51:17,616
Boom.

956
00:51:17,956 --> 00:51:21,576
And I'm getting some sort
of military equipment here.

957
00:51:23,426 --> 00:51:27,486
So, there is an orange
dildo that I'm taking out,

958
00:51:27,896 --> 00:51:28,496
Yes.

959
00:51:29,406 --> 00:51:30,066
Yes.

960
00:51:30,396 --> 00:51:31,166
I'm, uh,

961
00:51:31,336 --> 00:51:33,526
We need a kids, kids disclaimer for the

962
00:51:33,646 --> 00:51:34,086
yes,

963
00:51:34,106 --> 00:51:35,046
rated R.

964
00:51:35,066 --> 00:51:35,786
yeah, and,

965
00:51:36,046 --> 00:51:36,846
our entire show

966
00:51:36,956 --> 00:51:37,626
and then I

967
00:51:37,686 --> 00:51:38,666
disclaimer on it, Knut.

968
00:51:39,331 --> 00:51:44,931
Oh yeah, I do not check the box
on YouTube that says made for kids

969
00:51:45,276 --> 00:51:45,836
Okay,

970
00:51:45,916 --> 00:51:46,796
try this at home.

971
00:51:46,816 --> 00:51:48,826
And I'm giving the dildo to Knut

972
00:51:48,916 --> 00:51:49,096
Oh,

973
00:51:49,516 --> 00:51:52,606
he's, he's putting it on, like putting it

974
00:51:52,821 --> 00:51:53,551
his neck.

975
00:51:53,936 --> 00:51:54,366
Yeah.

976
00:51:54,416 --> 00:51:54,796
And,

977
00:51:55,356 --> 00:51:55,936
Yes,

978
00:51:55,986 --> 00:51:56,896
now he's putting it.

979
00:51:56,946 --> 00:51:57,436
Okay.

980
00:51:57,566 --> 00:51:59,256
it's here between my tits.

981
00:51:59,386 --> 00:52:00,216
oh, okay.

982
00:52:00,846 --> 00:52:04,636
Oh, I think people will switch to
video version just to see like,

983
00:52:04,686 --> 00:52:06,216
okay, what the hell is going on?

984
00:52:08,216 --> 00:52:09,476
Yeah, we'll leave it at that.

985
00:52:09,826 --> 00:52:13,096
Let, let, that's no segue to, uh,

986
00:52:13,466 --> 00:52:15,896
witty segway, would that be a segwit?

987
00:52:16,576 --> 00:52:17,256
uh,

988
00:52:17,756 --> 00:52:19,416
Like short for, that is, uh,

989
00:52:19,586 --> 00:52:20,296
yes.

990
00:52:20,886 --> 00:52:21,246
Yes,

991
00:52:21,626 --> 00:52:22,016
so we're,

992
00:52:22,436 --> 00:52:23,426
think that is it.

993
00:52:23,726 --> 00:52:27,796
We already like dismantled communism,
hopefully switch some of the kids,

994
00:52:27,796 --> 00:52:30,416
save them the years of their life.

995
00:52:31,196 --> 00:52:32,946
So, and now Nostr.

996
00:52:33,216 --> 00:52:34,766
yes, and brush your teeth, kids.

997
00:52:36,746 --> 00:52:37,236
Okay,

998
00:52:37,291 --> 00:52:38,101
It's important.

999
00:52:38,726 --> 00:52:39,696
did that come from?

1000
00:52:39,896 --> 00:52:42,546
No, yeah, we urge people
to brush their teeth.

1001
00:52:43,096 --> 00:52:43,546
We're

1002
00:52:43,966 --> 00:52:44,726
a show thing.

1003
00:52:45,426 --> 00:52:47,046
with dental hygiene in general.

1004
00:52:47,541 --> 00:52:49,601
Or yeah, you can, you can wear a mask.

1005
00:52:49,836 --> 00:52:52,246
Yeah, yeah, if you don't
have a toothbrush, you

1006
00:52:52,291 --> 00:52:55,841
It, it, it protects you from COVID
and then also like bad breath.

1007
00:52:56,031 --> 00:52:56,341
Yeah.

1008
00:52:56,636 --> 00:53:04,226
Yeah, what is, okay, Nostr and BTC
pay server, what is the, what is

1009
00:53:04,226 --> 00:53:07,856
the magic intersection point there?

1010
00:53:07,976 --> 00:53:11,736
Like what's, what's going on
with Nostr and BTC pay server?

1011
00:53:11,736 --> 00:53:11,956
Like,

1012
00:53:11,961 --> 00:53:14,611
You might also have to explain
what is a BTC pay survey, I don't

1013
00:53:14,611 --> 00:53:15,781
think we actually got there.

1014
00:53:15,861 --> 00:53:16,291
Yeah.

1015
00:53:16,496 --> 00:53:16,736
yeah,

1016
00:53:16,981 --> 00:53:20,601
Well, everyone knows, but it's
filter, uh, masks, filter water as

1017
00:53:20,816 --> 00:53:21,906
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

1018
00:53:26,411 --> 00:53:28,731
So the water can get
through, but the COVID can't.

1019
00:53:29,096 --> 00:53:29,496
Yeah,

1020
00:53:29,886 --> 00:53:30,386
exactly.

1021
00:53:30,396 --> 00:53:30,596
Yeah.

1022
00:53:30,916 --> 00:53:36,926
like if there, if there is a COVID in
water, like it also like filters, I mean,

1023
00:53:36,926 --> 00:53:43,556
you, you guys will joke about it, but,
uh, during COVID hysteria, like I, I use

1024
00:53:43,556 --> 00:53:48,016
this on like airplane flights, they're
like, sir, like pull up your mask.

1025
00:53:50,126 --> 00:53:53,486
So, so now I.

1026
00:53:54,236 --> 00:53:59,656
I don't know, man, like, um, before we
get back to BTC pay server, I, I love

1027
00:53:59,666 --> 00:54:01,786
these philosophical questions because.

1028
00:54:02,821 --> 00:54:08,291
What I was saying, like, go through
all the layers, is just, technology

1029
00:54:08,351 --> 00:54:15,091
is, is advancing so quickly, um, number
of people on this planet increases,

1030
00:54:15,171 --> 00:54:20,221
like, viruses are evolving, like, you
as individual, like, you're living

1031
00:54:20,281 --> 00:54:22,811
in increasingly hostile environment.

1032
00:54:23,341 --> 00:54:25,561
People are grasping for straws.

1033
00:54:26,166 --> 00:54:26,866
Paper straws.

1034
00:54:27,356 --> 00:54:32,116
paper straws, like, like any kind of
straws, any kind of, uh, uh, you know,

1035
00:54:32,146 --> 00:54:38,006
crutch that we're talking Knut, because
if you are individual on a Bitcoin

1036
00:54:38,016 --> 00:54:42,786
standard, if you have followed Knut's
advice, when I retweet that tweet of

1037
00:54:42,786 --> 00:54:47,196
yours, like so many times, like, can you,
can you say it like what the life pro

1038
00:54:47,196 --> 00:54:49,326
tip of Knut, what, what should you do?

1039
00:54:49,606 --> 00:54:54,436
Uh, yeah, my, my response to Jordan
Peterson here is like one rule for life.

1040
00:54:55,506 --> 00:54:56,816
It's in capital letters.

1041
00:54:56,816 --> 00:54:58,656
It says, enjoy exclamation mark.

1042
00:54:59,046 --> 00:54:59,676
Enjoy.

1043
00:55:00,446 --> 00:55:00,916
That's it.

1044
00:55:00,966 --> 00:55:02,346
No, it's not about buy Bitcoin.

1045
00:55:03,406 --> 00:55:08,016
And, uh, that's the one that I
referenced, how you said, just,

1046
00:55:10,586 --> 00:55:12,276
no, I'm going to take this over.

1047
00:55:13,146 --> 00:55:17,326
Knut, it's not enjoy, see,
he's too focused on perfection.

1048
00:55:17,336 --> 00:55:23,306
His best advice, life pro tip was,
take years worth of salary, well,

1049
00:55:23,316 --> 00:55:24,716
you said a month, but I think it's

1050
00:55:24,746 --> 00:55:25,486
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1051
00:55:25,486 --> 00:55:25,686
That

1052
00:55:25,796 --> 00:55:29,306
a year's worth of your income,

1053
00:55:29,576 --> 00:55:30,686
I said a month, I think.

1054
00:55:30,696 --> 00:55:31,006
Yeah.

1055
00:55:31,316 --> 00:55:34,466
but it should be a year
really, and then buy bitcoin.

1056
00:55:35,831 --> 00:55:37,611
And don't touch it for

1057
00:55:38,166 --> 00:55:38,776
10 years.

1058
00:55:38,921 --> 00:55:44,151
10 years, buy no KYC, ideally,
because that's the only Bitcoin,

1059
00:55:44,191 --> 00:55:49,641
KYC, Bitcoin is, is not, it's like
it, it will be, hopefully it, it

1060
00:55:49,641 --> 00:55:51,291
becomes a fork, but we'll see.

1061
00:55:52,021 --> 00:55:52,541
Um,

1062
00:55:53,076 --> 00:55:54,496
It's like waxed sperm.

1063
00:55:54,496 --> 00:56:00,291
Yeah.

1064
00:56:01,841 --> 00:56:05,041
Don't touch it in 10 years, and
then after 10 years, you get,

1065
00:56:05,081 --> 00:56:06,991
you're free to do whatever.

1066
00:56:07,701 --> 00:56:15,191
Because for those people, for like that
flight attendant, she's under pressure.

1067
00:56:15,571 --> 00:56:19,871
They say, hey, I have this director,
like, I want to keep my job.

1068
00:56:19,921 --> 00:56:21,501
I want to do the right thing.

1069
00:56:21,931 --> 00:56:23,141
I have my fears.

1070
00:56:23,141 --> 00:56:25,261
I have, you know, my hopes.

1071
00:56:25,641 --> 00:56:30,301
And it's just, As I say, those
layers, you need to deconstruct them

1072
00:56:30,301 --> 00:56:32,171
and see that like system is broken.

1073
00:56:32,171 --> 00:56:36,761
System is putting us against
each other in terrible situations

1074
00:56:36,971 --> 00:56:38,301
in which we shouldn't be.

1075
00:56:38,801 --> 00:56:41,241
Let's, let's remake the system.

1076
00:56:41,241 --> 00:56:43,171
Let's figure it out.

1077
00:56:43,191 --> 00:56:45,731
Like, and really solve
the problem rather than.

1078
00:56:46,451 --> 00:56:51,651
antagonize each other and,
uh, worry about Vaxx sperm or,

1079
00:56:53,851 --> 00:56:55,581
Knut, what, what are we going to do there?

1080
00:56:55,581 --> 00:56:58,481
I think that's really the
question for this podcast.

1081
00:56:58,561 --> 00:57:01,531
Like, like, uh, should we
get back to range marriages

1082
00:57:01,561 --> 00:57:03,831
where parents check if, like,

1083
00:57:04,191 --> 00:57:04,911
bum bum check

1084
00:57:05,491 --> 00:57:06,071
bum bum check?

1085
00:57:08,591 --> 00:57:13,661
sorry anyone was involved in that
i couldn't resist yeah is that

1086
00:57:13,691 --> 00:57:18,351
oh that must be did the homeless
people receive a covid check in

1087
00:57:19,081 --> 00:57:20,371
in US?

1088
00:57:20,621 --> 00:57:21,011
I mean,

1089
00:57:21,071 --> 00:57:26,611
if so was it was it a bum bum oh

1090
00:57:29,091 --> 00:57:30,111
sorry sorry yeah

1091
00:57:30,181 --> 00:57:34,371
give up, yeah, at this
point, I'll just get, I'll

1092
00:57:34,531 --> 00:57:37,981
sorry rob we had to go there
yeah at some point yeah

1093
00:57:38,001 --> 00:57:41,501
just get my COVID free water and, uh,

1094
00:57:44,531 --> 00:57:45,481
Alright, where were we?

1095
00:57:45,601 --> 00:57:46,261
Like, was there a

1096
00:57:46,371 --> 00:57:49,121
we were, we were, we
were starting for Nostr.

1097
00:57:49,611 --> 00:57:52,721
yeah, I'm supposed to ask you
questions, not the other way around.

1098
00:57:55,041 --> 00:58:01,881
Well, you have Bitcoin Uncle here, so
I'm a source of wisdom and, uh, yeah,

1099
00:58:02,011 --> 00:58:04,721
like I can ask questions, and I did ask

1100
00:58:04,911 --> 00:58:07,561
a source of wisdom and
uncle ness, and dollars.

1101
00:58:08,101 --> 00:58:12,231
and yeah, the UN, the
real UN, Uncle Network.

1102
00:58:12,541 --> 00:58:14,051
Uncle Network, yes.

1103
00:58:14,091 --> 00:58:17,311
U N N, is that a, is that a TV station?

1104
00:58:17,331 --> 00:58:20,731
Like, Uncle, Uncle,
Uncle Network Networks?

1105
00:58:20,901 --> 00:58:21,271
No,

1106
00:58:21,321 --> 00:58:22,351
Uncle News Network.

1107
00:58:22,661 --> 00:58:23,791
News Network, yes, yes.

1108
00:58:23,911 --> 00:58:30,001
that will be, uh, the, the United
Nations, the Donkels Network Network.

1109
00:58:30,011 --> 00:58:30,271
Yeah.

1110
00:58:30,271 --> 00:58:30,451
Yeah.

1111
00:58:30,451 --> 00:58:31,881
That will be our CNN.

1112
00:58:32,201 --> 00:58:32,641
Yeah.

1113
00:58:32,731 --> 00:58:33,441
You, you and

1114
00:58:33,661 --> 00:58:34,461
Yeah, exactly.

1115
00:58:34,621 --> 00:58:35,011
yeah.

1116
00:58:35,031 --> 00:58:36,661
We got to get Don Lemon.

1117
00:58:36,811 --> 00:58:41,351
We'll like get him to interview all
the people because he's so great at it.

1118
00:58:41,801 --> 00:58:42,681
Is he an uncle?

1119
00:58:43,461 --> 00:58:44,841
I mean, he's a retard.

1120
00:58:45,751 --> 00:58:56,071
Like, yeah, so, yeah, I mean, no,
man, a dad, dad, guy, you just, you

1121
00:58:56,071 --> 00:59:05,241
just think about all the evil he
has, yeah, spawned and created where

1122
00:59:05,931 --> 00:59:06,621
Who's that?

1123
00:59:06,981 --> 00:59:07,731
Don Lemon.

1124
00:59:08,101 --> 00:59:08,821
Don Lemon?

1125
00:59:09,481 --> 00:59:10,171
Is he a limey?

1126
00:59:10,431 --> 00:59:10,611
No,

1127
00:59:12,264 --> 00:59:15,611
can imagine, Knut does not watch CNN.

1128
00:59:15,941 --> 00:59:17,731
Oh, so, so who is

1129
00:59:17,751 --> 00:59:19,481
watched TV in, like, decades.

1130
00:59:19,856 --> 00:59:23,606
So Don Lemon is like this TV personality.

1131
00:59:23,606 --> 00:59:25,746
I mean, uh, you know, Tucker Carlson.

1132
00:59:25,881 --> 00:59:26,741
Yeah, I know Tucker

1133
00:59:26,896 --> 00:59:28,736
So yeah, I imagine retarded.

1134
00:59:28,916 --> 00:59:29,156
Yeah.

1135
00:59:29,576 --> 00:59:30,306
Carlson.

1136
00:59:30,646 --> 00:59:31,006
Yeah.

1137
00:59:31,246 --> 00:59:33,096
More, more like a little bit more.

1138
00:59:33,096 --> 00:59:33,276
Yeah.

1139
00:59:33,276 --> 00:59:33,476
Yeah.

1140
00:59:33,916 --> 00:59:39,866
The problem, the problem, the
problem is with Don Lemon,

1141
00:59:39,946 --> 00:59:42,476
uh, raised the prominence by.

1142
00:59:42,811 --> 00:59:47,621
Like every show like makes it about
some controversial topic and he

1143
00:59:47,621 --> 00:59:49,591
jumps on it and makes it worse.

1144
00:59:49,911 --> 00:59:56,661
And it's, it's, it's like people, people
can't award their gaze from train wrecks.

1145
00:59:57,341 --> 00:59:59,831
Like if you're good at
creating train wrecks.

1146
01:00:00,086 --> 01:00:05,516
You're going to get a lot of attention
and it's like reality TV shows.

1147
01:00:05,556 --> 01:00:09,106
It's almost like, yeah,
why should I go to zoo?

1148
01:00:09,146 --> 01:00:11,086
I can just watch this by TV.

1149
01:00:11,436 --> 01:00:12,446
Like that's what it is.

1150
01:00:12,446 --> 01:00:16,776
But, uh, it goes towards
what cypherpunks are saying.

1151
01:00:16,776 --> 01:00:19,296
Like there will be all
kinds of information.

1152
01:00:19,306 --> 01:00:23,356
There will be like all kinds
of information manipulators

1153
01:00:23,656 --> 01:00:25,436
that are going to ride trends.

1154
01:00:25,966 --> 01:00:29,556
And the problem is that they're
going to gain your attention.

1155
01:00:30,056 --> 01:00:32,206
They're going to like suck your intention.

1156
01:00:32,206 --> 01:00:36,996
They got a profit off of your
attention and you will be like

1157
01:00:37,026 --> 01:00:42,866
left empty, exploited, uh,
reprogrammed to, to be upset.

1158
01:00:42,866 --> 01:00:48,051
Like that's what Don Lemon did is like,
he literally, Programmed, uh, millions

1159
01:00:48,051 --> 01:00:52,671
and millions of people into way of
thinking through his shows to be like

1160
01:00:52,681 --> 01:00:55,401
upset and triggered about some stuff.

1161
01:00:55,671 --> 01:01:01,631
And then you look at him, especially
his interview with Elon, where it's

1162
01:01:01,631 --> 01:01:05,416
terrible, like you're a terrible human
being, like no one should be like you.

1163
01:01:05,946 --> 01:01:12,406
And you just, yeah, played off
of the CNN's like viewership.

1164
01:01:12,706 --> 01:01:17,456
Luckily, CNN viewership is now
going down and we are going through

1165
01:01:17,456 --> 01:01:22,546
alternatives, like people are still on
Axe, Twitter, and hopefully on Nostr.

1166
01:01:23,126 --> 01:01:23,766
Where,

1167
01:01:24,096 --> 01:01:27,806
Nostr numbers are going up, FFS
numbers are going up, and luckily

1168
01:01:27,806 --> 01:01:32,006
we are totally uncontroversial
and have no agenda whatsoever.

1169
01:01:32,466 --> 01:01:40,166
well, listen, everyone, uh, everyone
listening to this podcast is like,

1170
01:01:40,166 --> 01:01:42,986
okay, we are programming you as well.

1171
01:01:43,351 --> 01:01:45,281
But hopefully we are,

1172
01:01:45,786 --> 01:01:46,546
Deprogramming, I would say.

1173
01:01:47,801 --> 01:01:53,091
yeah, maybe like we're deprogramming
you from, uh, like the whole group

1174
01:01:53,141 --> 01:01:58,501
communist thing, but we are programming
you towards individual, like your

1175
01:01:58,501 --> 01:02:01,251
freedom, individual freedom, think

1176
01:02:01,426 --> 01:02:02,676
Increase your Freedom Footprint.

1177
01:02:02,736 --> 01:02:04,716
That's what we try to do.

1178
01:02:04,836 --> 01:02:05,506
Yes, but

1179
01:02:05,546 --> 01:02:06,436
Urge people to

1180
01:02:06,666 --> 01:02:13,226
that's where I would say you do
not get to not be programmed.

1181
01:02:13,366 --> 01:02:16,306
You just find the best
programming for you.

1182
01:02:16,356 --> 01:02:19,386
Going back to what you were
saying, like, why are people

1183
01:02:19,386 --> 01:02:21,416
like, uh, Jewish or Christian or

1184
01:02:21,426 --> 01:02:22,816
Or American or Russian or

1185
01:02:22,896 --> 01:02:28,866
it's, it's one type of programming
that's best possible in that situation,

1186
01:02:28,866 --> 01:02:30,846
but we need to go beyond that.

1187
01:02:31,501 --> 01:02:36,051
As we are now especially getting
technology to go beyond that and let,

1188
01:02:36,061 --> 01:02:38,081
yeah, let us just go in that direction.

1189
01:02:38,466 --> 01:02:41,566
Yeah, and Bitcoin maximalism
is the best firmware.

1190
01:02:41,666 --> 01:02:41,996
Like, yeah.

1191
01:02:42,081 --> 01:02:42,671
there we go.

1192
01:02:42,731 --> 01:02:43,041
Yeah.

1193
01:02:43,846 --> 01:02:44,476
That's it.

1194
01:02:44,666 --> 01:02:45,196
That's what,

1195
01:02:45,241 --> 01:02:46,541
Install that one.

1196
01:02:46,711 --> 01:02:49,911
And if it's anything else,
we call you a shit coiner.

1197
01:02:49,921 --> 01:02:52,621
We, your reputation is destroyed.

1198
01:02:52,681 --> 01:02:53,021
Yeah.

1199
01:02:53,041 --> 01:02:53,341
Yeah.

1200
01:02:53,966 --> 01:02:54,246
Yeah.

1201
01:02:54,296 --> 01:02:54,666
Yeah.

1202
01:02:55,386 --> 01:02:56,436
Or even a retard.

1203
01:02:56,641 --> 01:02:57,261
Yeah.

1204
01:02:57,506 --> 01:02:59,386
Even though that's, that's
more of a compliment.

1205
01:02:59,416 --> 01:03:00,426
I would say we call you an

1206
01:03:00,481 --> 01:03:01,461
no, no, no, no, no,

1207
01:03:02,006 --> 01:03:04,236
and, uh, like middle bell curve.

1208
01:03:04,861 --> 01:03:10,101
I said Don Lemon is a retard, like, I mean
it like he, yeah, he's like literally.

1209
01:03:11,321 --> 01:03:11,561
Yeah.

1210
01:03:11,561 --> 01:03:13,521
He doesn't, he doesn't even understand

1211
01:03:13,641 --> 01:03:18,711
know that the word retard is not at all
as offensive in Europe as it is in the US,

1212
01:03:18,966 --> 01:03:27,146
man, I, I am, uh, I'm well aware, but I
always, when I'm, when I'm, uh, threatened

1213
01:03:27,146 --> 01:03:31,686
with being canceled, I'm like, okay,
I'm, I'm an immigrant, I, in the U.

1214
01:03:31,686 --> 01:03:32,076
S.

1215
01:03:32,076 --> 01:03:32,946
and I don't

1216
01:03:33,021 --> 01:03:33,801
Me know nothing.

1217
01:03:33,876 --> 01:03:33,956
know.

1218
01:03:35,466 --> 01:03:39,916
No, it's we're, we're the, there are

1219
01:03:40,221 --> 01:03:41,601
know nothing, Uncle Snow.

1220
01:03:41,776 --> 01:03:43,016
that uncle,

1221
01:03:43,106 --> 01:03:45,836
You're giving away more information
about yourself than you need to.

1222
01:03:45,836 --> 01:03:47,666
You're perfect American English.

1223
01:03:47,666 --> 01:03:49,096
I wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to

1224
01:03:49,251 --> 01:03:49,791
No, never.

1225
01:03:49,906 --> 01:03:50,336
never.

1226
01:03:50,356 --> 01:03:50,726
Yeah.

1227
01:03:50,786 --> 01:03:54,056
I, it's, man, it's been so disappointing.

1228
01:03:54,056 --> 01:03:59,716
I must say like, I, American
culture, whatever people say, uh,

1229
01:03:59,726 --> 01:04:03,106
about the Americans, especially when
they're, Oh, Americans are stupid.

1230
01:04:03,156 --> 01:04:05,636
I'm like, no, they're practical.

1231
01:04:06,086 --> 01:04:07,606
They don't care about.

1232
01:04:08,156 --> 01:04:12,146
Other stuff, but whatever people say
about the American culture, like you can't

1233
01:04:12,606 --> 01:04:20,326
argue with Rambo and Terminator movies
and yeah, and, and like, uh, Rolling

1234
01:04:20,346 --> 01:04:22,766
Stones and like all the good bands and

1235
01:04:22,861 --> 01:04:24,236
Rolling Stone's are British though, but,

1236
01:04:24,356 --> 01:04:25,956
well, fuck, there we go.

1237
01:04:25,956 --> 01:04:26,476
There I go.

1238
01:04:26,841 --> 01:04:27,611
Uh,

1239
01:04:27,936 --> 01:04:29,316
But . No, like

1240
01:04:29,351 --> 01:04:35,731
I'm trying to find out what is the
American music of, uh, like, 1970s.

1241
01:04:38,571 --> 01:04:44,161
Man, I, I gotta, uh, you gotta, you
gotta collaborate with me here, but, uh,

1242
01:04:44,286 --> 01:04:45,166
Bruce Springsteen.

1243
01:04:45,286 --> 01:04:45,506
Bob

1244
01:04:45,671 --> 01:04:46,181
yeah.

1245
01:04:46,721 --> 01:04:47,351
This one.

1246
01:04:47,771 --> 01:04:48,431
Bob Dylan.

1247
01:04:48,886 --> 01:04:49,656
Dylan, yeah.

1248
01:04:51,091 --> 01:04:53,621
No, but, American

1249
01:04:53,676 --> 01:04:55,106
Prince, uh,

1250
01:04:55,666 --> 01:04:55,956
Yeah.

1251
01:04:56,286 --> 01:04:56,636
Elvis.

1252
01:04:57,366 --> 01:04:57,716
Elvis.

1253
01:04:58,176 --> 01:04:59,656
I'm not, are we hitting 70s?

1254
01:04:59,686 --> 01:05:00,836
I don't think we're hitting 70s at

1255
01:05:00,871 --> 01:05:03,831
Well, I mean, you can go eighties,
you can go nineties, but I

1256
01:05:04,071 --> 01:05:04,281
what?

1257
01:05:04,281 --> 01:05:04,491
Wait, we.

1258
01:05:04,686 --> 01:05:09,516
Bon Jovi, Bon Jovi, Bruce
Springsteen, Motley Crue.

1259
01:05:10,431 --> 01:05:15,991
like in, uh, well, since two thousands,
I don't want to invoke like any

1260
01:05:15,991 --> 01:05:20,311
specific dates because it's like so
emotional for a lot of people, but I

1261
01:05:20,531 --> 01:05:23,401
think the last, especially 10 years.

1262
01:05:24,056 --> 01:05:26,406
I mean, like, so terrible.

1263
01:05:27,166 --> 01:05:32,566
And me, as, as immigrant to US,
like, I was really like, especially

1264
01:05:32,566 --> 01:05:34,026
Terminator, I loved the movie.

1265
01:05:34,276 --> 01:05:37,896
Like, I, I was, yeah, I'm going
to go to US, I'll go to like,

1266
01:05:37,906 --> 01:05:40,506
cinema, I'll, uh, enjoy it.

1267
01:05:40,506 --> 01:05:44,196
Like, like, you know, American
Dream, like that, that, that bit,

1268
01:05:44,326 --> 01:05:48,956
oh, you go to America, you like
self actualize, you become rich.

1269
01:05:49,426 --> 01:05:51,076
You do plastic surgery,

1270
01:05:51,466 --> 01:05:53,396
Yeah, like, actually I need to do that.

1271
01:05:53,416 --> 01:05:56,656
Yeah, I did most, yeah, all of it before.

1272
01:05:57,016 --> 01:06:02,106
But I, I imagine all of that, I
immigrate to US, and it's like, no, if

1273
01:06:02,156 --> 01:06:03,806
you say this thing, you're cancelled.

1274
01:06:03,966 --> 01:06:04,176
Yeah.

1275
01:06:05,416 --> 01:06:05,786
Like

1276
01:06:05,886 --> 01:06:09,416
the latest Terminator, the Terminator is
trans and you have to use pronouns and

1277
01:06:09,468 --> 01:06:09,918
It's

1278
01:06:10,163 --> 01:06:10,823
I'll be black

1279
01:06:13,672 --> 01:06:15,782
you're just having bangers on this show.

1280
01:06:16,082 --> 01:06:18,992
Like, you're crushing it.

1281
01:06:19,892 --> 01:06:21,022
Inspired by uncle.

1282
01:06:21,022 --> 01:06:22,192
But no, it's the whole thing.

1283
01:06:22,192 --> 01:06:26,502
Like, you immigrate, immigrate to US
and it's like, oh, you're a white male.

1284
01:06:27,262 --> 01:06:28,052
Wait, what?

1285
01:06:29,477 --> 01:06:31,587
Yeah, yeah, I've had
to fill out that form.

1286
01:06:31,587 --> 01:06:35,877
It's like, Are you Caucasian or black
or what the fuck are you talking about?

1287
01:06:35,877 --> 01:06:37,317
Why do you need this information?

1288
01:06:37,317 --> 01:06:37,947
And like,

1289
01:06:38,202 --> 01:06:40,812
they actually, they're like laws.

1290
01:06:41,242 --> 01:06:45,332
Where they need to know
your race to ensure

1291
01:06:45,427 --> 01:06:47,907
I don't have a race,
I'm a human being, like,

1292
01:06:48,102 --> 01:06:48,732
no, no, no, no.

1293
01:06:48,742 --> 01:06:54,252
Listen, they're collecting that data
so that they ensure they're not racist.

1294
01:06:54,262 --> 01:06:57,332
It's, it's like, they need to
be racist in order to not to be

1295
01:06:57,517 --> 01:06:58,287
anti racist.

1296
01:06:58,647 --> 01:07:02,697
You have, like, this is, it's just
two sides of the same problem.

1297
01:07:02,707 --> 01:07:05,287
Like, not being racist
is not caring about race.

1298
01:07:05,327 --> 01:07:07,817
That's literally what not being racist is.

1299
01:07:08,267 --> 01:07:12,487
As soon as you start caring what fucking
race people are, you're a fucking racist.

1300
01:07:12,727 --> 01:07:13,717
It's as simple as that.

1301
01:07:13,737 --> 01:07:17,117
And we were so close to that point 90s.

1302
01:07:17,217 --> 01:07:18,777
People really didn't give a shit.

1303
01:07:19,047 --> 01:07:20,137
Kids don't give a shit.

1304
01:07:20,752 --> 01:07:23,502
And now we're, now we're
back to racism, it seems.

1305
01:07:23,812 --> 01:07:24,802
Everyone cares.

1306
01:07:25,042 --> 01:07:25,082
Sorry.

1307
01:07:25,282 --> 01:07:29,182
Sorry, Knut, I mean, you know
the whole thing, like, uh, you

1308
01:07:29,182 --> 01:07:31,012
just put anti in front of it.

1309
01:07:31,272 --> 01:07:32,632
So, yeah, it's like,

1310
01:07:32,872 --> 01:07:33,022
the

1311
01:07:33,772 --> 01:07:34,002
you're

1312
01:07:34,232 --> 01:07:34,972
side of the coin.

1313
01:07:35,172 --> 01:07:39,392
it's like, you're Antifa, you
can't be fascist, like, so,

1314
01:07:39,732 --> 01:07:42,742
the truth is that it's just the
other, the flip side of fascism.

1315
01:07:42,742 --> 01:07:43,502
It's another type of

1316
01:07:43,732 --> 01:07:47,942
no, no, no, they're anti fascist,
like, they're Antifa, yeah,

1317
01:07:48,092 --> 01:07:48,422
Yeah,

1318
01:07:48,422 --> 01:07:49,442
worse than fascism.

1319
01:07:49,882 --> 01:07:50,502
Yeah.

1320
01:07:50,952 --> 01:07:51,122
dude.

1321
01:07:51,132 --> 01:07:52,942
might have some good
points compared to Antifa.

1322
01:07:53,414 --> 01:07:54,237
Yeah.

1323
01:07:54,388 --> 01:07:55,061
Fascism.

1324
01:07:55,472 --> 01:07:56,482
like, like what?

1325
01:07:57,072 --> 01:07:57,582
How about

1326
01:07:57,752 --> 01:07:58,062
It was a

1327
01:07:58,392 --> 01:07:59,562
How about fashionista?

1328
01:08:01,092 --> 01:08:02,122
We'll get Svetsi to come

1329
01:08:02,312 --> 01:08:02,552
Yeah.

1330
01:08:02,552 --> 01:08:02,762
Yeah.

1331
01:08:02,762 --> 01:08:04,142
And, and think, yeah.

1332
01:08:04,142 --> 01:08:09,132
We'll, we'll interview him about, uh,
fashion, uh, and what's in fashion

1333
01:08:09,152 --> 01:08:12,222
Now, now, listen, now he's
trying to repair your joke.

1334
01:08:12,282 --> 01:08:13,452
It's, it's so fun.

1335
01:08:14,299 --> 01:08:14,519
I'm,

1336
01:08:14,824 --> 01:08:16,914
I'm allowed to go a little
too far every once in a while,

1337
01:08:16,914 --> 01:08:18,184
considering Knut does it all the

1338
01:08:18,414 --> 01:08:19,104
Like far

1339
01:08:19,414 --> 01:08:20,194
I never go too

1340
01:08:20,224 --> 01:08:20,624
yeah.

1341
01:08:20,764 --> 01:08:21,104
Yeah.

1342
01:08:21,474 --> 01:08:22,384
Or far right.

1343
01:08:22,424 --> 01:08:22,844
Where are you

1344
01:08:22,964 --> 01:08:23,714
Yeah, yeah.

1345
01:08:24,124 --> 01:08:24,282
Yeah.

1346
01:08:24,384 --> 01:08:25,014
Far left.

1347
01:08:25,074 --> 01:08:25,884
Let's go far

1348
01:08:26,084 --> 01:08:27,675
I'd rather go far right than far wrong.

1349
01:08:28,554 --> 01:08:29,594
Let's just call it that.

1350
01:08:29,784 --> 01:08:30,924
Oh, that's a good joke.

1351
01:08:31,204 --> 01:08:32,414
That's pretty good one.

1352
01:08:33,444 --> 01:08:36,449
So, uh, So, Nostr.

1353
01:08:36,844 --> 01:08:37,204
Yeah.

1354
01:08:37,374 --> 01:08:37,684
Yeah.

1355
01:08:37,684 --> 01:08:38,224
Nostr.

1356
01:08:38,224 --> 01:08:38,664
Where were we?

1357
01:08:38,674 --> 01:08:39,214
Where were we?

1358
01:08:39,214 --> 01:08:39,734
Nostr.

1359
01:08:40,874 --> 01:08:41,684
Get on Nostr.

1360
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:45,489
Yes, yeah, all the
fascists are already there.

1361
01:08:49,069 --> 01:08:51,809
They will tell you about
the good points of fascism.

1362
01:08:51,809 --> 01:08:55,539
Oh my god, this, we're like, we're
just having a great as jokes because

1363
01:08:55,689 --> 01:08:57,789
this actually is very relevant.

1364
01:08:57,949 --> 01:09:02,319
worst pitch for Nostr, though, which
everyone keeps regurgitating, is that

1365
01:09:02,549 --> 01:09:05,719
Oh, it's so good because everyone's
friendly and there's no drama.

1366
01:09:06,179 --> 01:09:08,249
I mean, that's why I'm
on Twitter in the first

1367
01:09:08,339 --> 01:09:08,929
yeah, yeah,

1368
01:09:08,939 --> 01:09:10,349
what do you mean no drama?

1369
01:09:10,349 --> 01:09:12,309
What am I going to do
with this social network?

1370
01:09:12,659 --> 01:09:12,819
yeah.

1371
01:09:13,339 --> 01:09:15,779
If no one's wrong on the
internet, what's the point?

1372
01:09:15,789 --> 01:09:16,089
Like,

1373
01:09:17,024 --> 01:09:17,754
Hi Giacomo.

1374
01:09:18,589 --> 01:09:19,389
yeah, exactly.

1375
01:09:19,389 --> 01:09:20,089
Hi, Giacomo.

1376
01:09:20,214 --> 01:09:20,814
Giacomo.

1377
01:09:21,324 --> 01:09:24,404
No, I, uh, but there are Nostr dramas.

1378
01:09:24,434 --> 01:09:27,664
There are like, uh, and
trans, when everyone is a Dan.

1379
01:09:28,584 --> 01:09:29,514
Yeah, you saw that.

1380
01:09:29,594 --> 01:09:30,374
Yeah, Dan.

1381
01:09:30,384 --> 01:09:31,454
You missed that.

1382
01:09:31,904 --> 01:09:32,904
Or Fiat Jeff.

1383
01:09:33,224 --> 01:09:34,144
Yeah, everyone is now

1384
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:35,189
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1385
01:09:35,644 --> 01:09:40,124
But I know Jeff doesn't want to talk about
his current predicament, it's all avoided.

1386
01:09:40,614 --> 01:09:49,324
Um, but with Dan, there was this moment
where, uh, who, who mentioned, I think

1387
01:09:49,324 --> 01:09:54,344
it was Semisol, he mentioned like how
there are like so many Dans on there.

1388
01:09:54,634 --> 01:10:02,224
And then, uh, GG brought in, uh, his idea
that there should be, uh, Only Dans, the

1389
01:10:02,234 --> 01:10:05,964
relay where only Dans have access to post.

1390
01:10:06,564 --> 01:10:06,974
Yeah.

1391
01:10:07,154 --> 01:10:13,894
And, and then Jack Dorsey just renamed
him to Dan and everyone jumped on the

1392
01:10:13,894 --> 01:10:21,569
trend and everyone was a Dan on, on Nostr,
which, which is already, Tagging on Nostr

1393
01:10:21,569 --> 01:10:23,729
and most clients is completely broken.

1394
01:10:23,759 --> 01:10:28,729
Like you can't add to anyone, like
there's so many terrible results.

1395
01:10:29,129 --> 01:10:32,949
And then when everyone is
Dan, yeah, good, good luck

1396
01:10:33,029 --> 01:10:35,069
have you heard of the, the, the.

1397
01:10:35,894 --> 01:10:38,894
International Bob Convention
in, in California.

1398
01:10:39,764 --> 01:10:43,484
Apparently there's a gathering
of all the bobs in the us.

1399
01:10:43,559 --> 01:10:45,339
should do that for Benz and Bitcoin.

1400
01:10:45,519 --> 01:10:45,964
we should.

1401
01:10:46,024 --> 01:10:47,284
Uh, I think they already do.

1402
01:10:47,284 --> 01:10:52,144
They have t-shirts and stuff, but the
Bobs like, it's 40,000 Bobs in one spot.

1403
01:10:52,204 --> 01:10:55,804
Imagine losing your friend there
and trying to Hey Bob, and like

1404
01:10:57,034 --> 01:10:59,094
Well, I actually have a solution for that.

1405
01:10:59,094 --> 01:11:01,024
I have a friend, Bob, yeah, yeah.

1406
01:11:01,024 --> 01:11:01,774
Bob Tank.

1407
01:11:01,774 --> 01:11:05,914
I, I'm a big Bob fan, especially
after Strike because we

1408
01:11:05,924 --> 01:11:07,444
had this guy, Bob Scully.

1409
01:11:08,374 --> 01:11:08,744
But

1410
01:11:08,794 --> 01:11:09,184
show.

1411
01:11:09,184 --> 01:11:09,964
Show Bobs

1412
01:11:10,244 --> 01:11:13,784
yeah, but, but here is the thing,
like his name is something like.

1413
01:11:14,704 --> 01:11:15,984
He's like, hey, I'm Bob.

1414
01:11:16,014 --> 01:11:19,334
It's like the craziest thing
because it's such a simple name.

1415
01:11:19,394 --> 01:11:20,454
He's like, hi, Bob.

1416
01:11:20,454 --> 01:11:25,644
It's like a homeless person that's getting
like the check, like dum dum check.

1417
01:11:25,654 --> 01:11:25,964
Yeah.

1418
01:11:25,964 --> 01:11:28,234
The bum bum

1419
01:11:28,614 --> 01:11:28,974
and Bob.

1420
01:11:28,974 --> 01:11:29,544
Bob, check.

1421
01:11:29,764 --> 01:11:30,674
Yes.

1422
01:11:33,234 --> 01:11:33,734
So it's like,

1423
01:11:33,894 --> 01:11:36,034
You can get the check
between your bobs, like

1424
01:11:39,044 --> 01:11:40,384
That's where I usually put them.

1425
01:11:40,664 --> 01:11:44,874
I can't wait to see what's the title of
this show, like, we had too much fun,

1426
01:11:44,894 --> 01:11:48,594
like, and jokes, and it's, like, some
jokes were really good, but getting

1427
01:11:48,594 --> 01:11:55,354
to the, now it's the joke on Bob,
his real name was, like, Robert J.

1428
01:11:55,634 --> 01:12:03,014
Scully III, but it's like, hey, I'm
Bob, and, uh, yeah, so, if I go to

1429
01:12:03,014 --> 01:12:06,554
a Bob convention, I need to find
him, I would just be like, Robert

1430
01:12:06,834 --> 01:12:10,354
III, and, yeah, he would answer.

1431
01:12:11,544 --> 01:12:13,774
Yeah, but you can use
people's last names, guys.

1432
01:12:14,464 --> 01:12:16,734
Oh, oh, oh my god,

1433
01:12:16,804 --> 01:12:17,274
Oh.

1434
01:12:17,714 --> 01:12:18,474
Never thought of that.

1435
01:12:19,274 --> 01:12:19,654
yeah,

1436
01:12:21,149 --> 01:12:23,119
So why is anonymity important?

1437
01:12:23,799 --> 01:12:26,629
no man, we need to finish
all the Dance and Nostr.

1438
01:12:26,839 --> 01:12:27,539
for fuck's sake.

1439
01:12:27,779 --> 01:12:28,069
Yeah, yeah,

1440
01:12:28,169 --> 01:12:28,459
yeah.

1441
01:12:29,769 --> 01:12:31,659
We're in the middle of
something here, man.

1442
01:12:31,809 --> 01:12:32,169
no, no.

1443
01:12:32,179 --> 01:12:33,349
Stop interrupting.

1444
01:12:35,569 --> 01:12:38,139
Then we need to, then we
need to repair the joke.

1445
01:12:38,189 --> 01:12:38,619
Yeah.

1446
01:12:39,049 --> 01:12:40,299
We'll keep that

1447
01:12:40,594 --> 01:12:41,154
We'll use a

1448
01:12:41,269 --> 01:12:41,799
it out?

1449
01:12:42,004 --> 01:12:42,554
No.

1450
01:12:42,879 --> 01:12:44,149
No, it's like, boom.

1451
01:12:45,024 --> 01:12:47,214
We'll probably cut out the
whole episode to be honest.

1452
01:12:49,699 --> 01:12:55,569
Just for private collection, because
that's, that's why anonymity is really

1453
01:12:55,789 --> 01:12:59,269
like important is some knowledge.

1454
01:12:59,729 --> 01:13:05,079
It's too great to be, like,
publicly disseminated.

1455
01:13:05,844 --> 01:13:07,564
And like broadcast

1456
01:13:07,584 --> 01:13:07,864
Yeah.

1457
01:13:08,134 --> 01:13:14,874
So you need to consume it in a certain
setting, in a certain context, and

1458
01:13:15,004 --> 01:13:17,554
only then can you truly enjoy it.

1459
01:13:17,724 --> 01:13:22,854
Especially if it becomes
something you like repeat, repeat.

1460
01:13:22,854 --> 01:13:24,214
And then every time you.

1461
01:13:24,844 --> 01:13:28,884
You consume it, you find the
new things to like about it.

1462
01:13:28,924 --> 01:13:37,224
And yeah, I, I think that's why anonymity,
no, no expanding, but honestly, like

1463
01:13:37,244 --> 01:13:42,684
that's why I think anonymity and
Nostr are so important is because

1464
01:13:42,694 --> 01:13:49,864
it allows you to easily do what I'm
doing in my Bitcoin, uh, appearance.

1465
01:13:49,864 --> 01:13:51,994
Like I have a whole identity.

1466
01:13:52,854 --> 01:13:55,824
No, you're, you're, you're a
superhero and you need to stay

1467
01:13:55,854 --> 01:13:57,584
anonymous because you're a superhero.

1468
01:13:57,624 --> 01:13:59,124
That's, that's what I thought.

1469
01:13:59,164 --> 01:14:01,084
Like, I mean, you have superpowers.

1470
01:14:01,569 --> 01:14:07,279
well, I do, I do have superpowers,
which we will talk like

1471
01:14:07,624 --> 01:14:09,134
This is a superpower, isn't it?

1472
01:14:09,489 --> 01:14:11,849
all my, my gadgets, but

1473
01:14:12,194 --> 01:14:12,794
Utility

1474
01:14:12,879 --> 01:14:17,089
about like, I'm not
doing it for any of this.

1475
01:14:17,149 --> 01:14:25,039
I'm doing it to keep my private
life separate because I found

1476
01:14:25,069 --> 01:14:27,399
that that's really useful.

1477
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:27,449
Okay.

1478
01:14:27,449 --> 01:14:27,469
Thanks.

1479
01:14:27,979 --> 01:14:34,069
Like this, this society is crazy enough
and it's forcing you to be so many things.

1480
01:14:35,249 --> 01:14:37,629
You, you, you can't be that many things.

1481
01:14:37,629 --> 01:14:39,649
Like we're already living way too fast.

1482
01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:44,319
Like humans are not meant in my
view for, for this speed of life.

1483
01:14:44,319 --> 01:14:47,249
And like, this is where
we should let machines.

1484
01:14:47,714 --> 01:14:52,504
Take over and do things for us
and we should relax, enjoy life.

1485
01:14:52,894 --> 01:14:58,534
Not, not like be doing, having experiences
based on, Oh, I'm going to pay you a

1486
01:14:58,534 --> 01:15:02,024
hundred dollars or thousand dollars,
but we are going to have experiences

1487
01:15:02,024 --> 01:15:03,814
together based on the reputation.

1488
01:15:04,854 --> 01:15:09,954
So that's where I think we should go
as humanity with like, but let machines

1489
01:15:09,954 --> 01:15:12,409
do the work, but for, for us, like.

1490
01:15:12,809 --> 01:15:19,439
I found that having a separate identity
really allows me to better do that

1491
01:15:19,459 --> 01:15:24,939
because you're not the same person when
you're with your family, when you're

1492
01:15:25,109 --> 01:15:27,199
in business, when you're at church.

1493
01:15:27,389 --> 01:15:31,559
You're like different kind of
person and you're like integrating.

1494
01:15:32,744 --> 01:15:36,214
Does this, is the speed of
life, does that have limits?

1495
01:15:36,404 --> 01:15:38,144
Just like the speed of light, like,

1496
01:15:38,404 --> 01:15:38,904
Speedily.

1497
01:15:39,014 --> 01:15:40,604
I think it does.

1498
01:15:40,604 --> 01:15:45,384
Like, again, we're talking about that,
uh, flight attendant that's trying to

1499
01:15:45,384 --> 01:15:49,674
get you to put mask on is being forced.

1500
01:15:49,884 --> 01:15:57,474
Like we're all in my view, being
forced to live way faster than

1501
01:15:57,484 --> 01:16:01,164
we would like naturally live.

1502
01:16:02,274 --> 01:16:09,074
And, uh, I, I don't know what's the point
where, where, like, people are already

1503
01:16:09,074 --> 01:16:13,254
breaking, people are already rioting,
they're rebelling, but they don't know,

1504
01:16:13,254 --> 01:16:15,164
like, in which direction to go in it.

1505
01:16:15,424 --> 01:16:20,314
Maybe that's, that's the root cause, is
like, you're forced to live too fast.

1506
01:16:20,344 --> 01:16:24,164
I think it's highly subjective
though, I think many people like

1507
01:16:24,184 --> 01:16:27,584
to live fast, uh, including myself.

1508
01:16:27,584 --> 01:16:28,394
I like, like,

1509
01:16:29,134 --> 01:16:29,504
That's

1510
01:16:29,614 --> 01:16:33,944
was that quote, I burned the candle
at both ends because it gave off such

1511
01:16:33,944 --> 01:16:37,444
a beautiful light, and like, there's
something to that, to living life

1512
01:16:37,444 --> 01:16:40,064
to the full extent, and, and just.

1513
01:16:40,529 --> 01:16:47,639
Just step on the gas and just live
because there's what's the alternative

1514
01:16:47,639 --> 01:16:49,629
like being being a vegetable?

1515
01:16:49,629 --> 01:16:50,817
Well,

1516
01:16:50,929 --> 01:16:57,199
there is only like being a vegetable
or burning the, no, no, there is

1517
01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:01,199
a, there is a, like, hey, you, you,
you want to do that for a week?

1518
01:17:01,209 --> 01:17:02,759
You want to do that for a month?

1519
01:17:02,829 --> 01:17:04,379
You want to do that for a year?

1520
01:17:04,599 --> 01:17:08,759
Like, you know, come with
uncle to Serbia and, uh, let's

1521
01:17:08,759 --> 01:17:10,804
have our parties and, uh, But

1522
01:17:10,889 --> 01:17:12,249
that sounds like a great idea.

1523
01:17:12,599 --> 01:17:12,869
Yeah

1524
01:17:13,254 --> 01:17:19,614
but it's about, okay, do you want
that, uh, for your family as well?

1525
01:17:21,254 --> 01:17:23,664
Uh, yeah, yes, yes.

1526
01:17:23,684 --> 01:17:25,224
That's, that's my point.

1527
01:17:25,224 --> 01:17:25,394
You

1528
01:17:25,649 --> 01:17:28,859
There's something to, like, harmony
and balance and stuff, of course.

1529
01:17:28,899 --> 01:17:29,769
Of course there is.

1530
01:17:29,819 --> 01:17:36,069
And, you know, as much as I am a
fan of, like, Prince, for instance,

1531
01:17:36,069 --> 01:17:40,339
who lived life to the fullest and
then died an early death, I'm a fan

1532
01:17:40,339 --> 01:17:44,879
of Bill Murray, who seems to not
give a shit and, like, take it easy.

1533
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:48,939
Like, you have to find your
own path and what you like

1534
01:17:49,324 --> 01:17:54,409
no, that's the best thing about
these artists, these, uh, rock stars.

1535
01:17:54,559 --> 01:18:01,669
Is it you look at someone and you
can, you can think about and see their

1536
01:18:01,689 --> 01:18:07,239
path because, uh, but you can, you can
see who, who are the ones that really

1537
01:18:07,269 --> 01:18:12,249
enjoy it and got it and who are the
ones that are literally possessed.

1538
01:18:12,689 --> 01:18:20,239
To express art, you know, because, um,
you look at Prince, you can tell he wasn't

1539
01:18:20,499 --> 01:18:20,769
no,

1540
01:18:21,269 --> 01:18:25,759
Like, uh, what's the name of, Amy,
the British singer, White House.

1541
01:18:25,939 --> 01:18:31,879
You can see she's an expression of
a lot of emotions, but she's not

1542
01:18:32,294 --> 01:18:38,234
That, no, no, that song, what was it,
Back in Black, that song is like, it is a

1543
01:18:38,304 --> 01:18:42,954
simple song with a four chord structure,
uh, four chord chord structure, and it's,

1544
01:18:42,994 --> 01:18:48,764
it's sort of a happy melody, but the
lyrics are so fucking dark, that like, uh,

1545
01:18:48,814 --> 01:18:53,224
I, I mean, And I think there's something
there with with music in particular that

1546
01:18:53,224 --> 01:18:59,204
when you have total darkness in balance
with total like Catchy happy stuff.

1547
01:18:59,774 --> 01:19:01,904
I mean, there's something there.

1548
01:19:02,424 --> 01:19:05,054
Yeah, by the way, it was
speaking of rock stars.

1549
01:19:05,139 --> 01:19:08,999
And I can, I can tell you what,
what that is based on Uncle Wisdom.

1550
01:19:08,999 --> 01:19:10,249
You, you, you want to know?

1551
01:19:11,079 --> 01:19:11,629
It's sick.

1552
01:19:12,334 --> 01:19:19,844
Uh, a tree cannot grow to reach heaven
unless its roots can grow to reach hell.

1553
01:19:20,334 --> 01:19:22,544
Yeah, unless it's roots are in literal

1554
01:19:22,824 --> 01:19:24,464
yeah, yeah.

1555
01:19:24,764 --> 01:19:32,524
And, uh, you, you need that duality and,
uh, that's, that's where it comes from.

1556
01:19:32,524 --> 01:19:37,394
But, but again, like it's a question,
maybe you want to taste that.

1557
01:19:37,769 --> 01:19:40,999
Yeah, maybe, but do you
want to live in a nightmare?

1558
01:19:40,999 --> 01:19:44,809
Like I can, I can tell you from
my experiences, like, like those

1559
01:19:44,859 --> 01:19:48,659
nightmares, uh, and that's where
identities are also very useful.

1560
01:19:48,659 --> 01:19:54,999
Like, like I can be that identity for,
for a month and I can then compress it

1561
01:19:55,029 --> 01:19:59,819
in some kind of a private note to myself
and reread it, like really get that

1562
01:19:59,819 --> 01:20:02,049
experience, but I don't want to live.

1563
01:20:02,559 --> 01:20:04,119
In that experience.

1564
01:20:04,119 --> 01:20:07,809
I want, when I go to my private
life, I want to, you know, take

1565
01:20:07,809 --> 01:20:11,729
off the mask, enjoy the sun, I
can sun other parts of my body

1566
01:20:11,849 --> 01:20:14,299
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's,
yeah, you should do that.

1567
01:20:14,299 --> 01:20:16,039
I

1568
01:20:16,269 --> 01:20:19,919
naked and yeah, relaxing.

1569
01:20:20,219 --> 01:20:26,969
think most trees never reach the
heavens, like the sky, but they

1570
01:20:26,969 --> 01:20:29,859
can reach the treetops, that's,
and that's good for them, I

1571
01:20:30,069 --> 01:20:34,679
Yes, but maybe it's because they,
they're not letting their true, uh,

1572
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:39,429
roots, you know, grow, grow deeper
and like exploring the dark side.

1573
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:39,459
Yeah.

1574
01:20:39,639 --> 01:20:40,429
Yeah, yeah.

1575
01:20:40,509 --> 01:20:44,959
Fiddling down rabbit holes, and
maybe, maybe there's something there.

1576
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:49,400
we won't talk about Nostr,
sorry, like it's a tease.

1577
01:20:50,877 --> 01:20:52,680
Yeah,

1578
01:20:53,675 --> 01:20:54,355
listeners.

1579
01:20:55,085 --> 01:20:57,735
Are we, are we at a
natural conclusion or what?

1580
01:20:58,718 --> 01:20:59,358
I think we are.

1581
01:21:00,218 --> 01:21:01,898
I mean, yeah, one more thing.

1582
01:21:02,608 --> 01:21:06,538
While it's on my mind, there's a
great website called What David

1583
01:21:06,538 --> 01:21:09,248
Bowie was doing when he was your age.

1584
01:21:10,348 --> 01:21:13,938
If you want to feel bad about your
life and that you're a loser, you

1585
01:21:13,938 --> 01:21:15,818
can always look up what David Bowie

1586
01:21:15,863 --> 01:21:17,283
Knut Perfectionist.

1587
01:21:17,323 --> 01:21:21,113
Listen, man, you are a rockstar, so uh,

1588
01:21:22,058 --> 01:21:22,978
Oh, fantastic.

1589
01:21:23,093 --> 01:21:27,073
need to live with understanding
that the rest of us, we are

1590
01:21:27,073 --> 01:21:28,643
not as perfect as you are.

1591
01:21:28,833 --> 01:21:33,043
So, so everyone listening to the
show, you shouldn't try to be like

1592
01:21:33,063 --> 01:21:34,773
Knut, try to be like me, you know.

1593
01:21:34,983 --> 01:21:39,413
It's easy, you just buy a Hat,
buy a bandana, like Bitcoin and

1594
01:21:39,513 --> 01:21:41,523
sunglasses and you can be a rockstar.

1595
01:21:42,603 --> 01:21:44,283
Yeah, Coop Contributor.

1596
01:21:44,653 --> 01:21:46,293
No, Core Contributor, yeah, yeah.

1597
01:21:46,343 --> 01:21:48,343
COPE, COPE contributed.

1598
01:21:49,873 --> 01:21:52,843
Rockstar, it has been
an absolute pleasure.

1599
01:21:54,053 --> 01:21:57,943
You're welcome back on at any time, and
I think we should do this more often.

1600
01:21:58,293 --> 01:21:58,673
Yeah.

1601
01:21:58,773 --> 01:21:59,373
Okay.

1602
01:21:59,483 --> 01:22:00,463
Uncle times.

1603
01:22:00,523 --> 01:22:01,783
I'm looking forward to them.

1604
01:22:04,548 --> 01:22:05,078
I'm a rock star.

1605
01:22:05,128 --> 01:22:05,758
Thanks so much.

1606
01:22:06,748 --> 01:22:08,118
This has been the Freedom Footprint Show.

1607
01:22:08,238 --> 01:22:08,908
Thanks for listening.