Bitcoin, Rock ‘n’ Roll, and Venture Capital with Muzz | Bitcoin Infinity Show #152

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The proof of work

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for the Beatles

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was going to Hamburg

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and playing

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14 hours a day, and George

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Harrison was 17

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when they started doing that.

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Like

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he was super young

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and they were

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they were kids

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just goofing around.

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But over such a short

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period of time,

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like four movies

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and 11 albums

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and how many top

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hits, it's just amazing.

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I think you have to

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set boundaries for yourself.

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Otherwise, like,

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you can drown in the

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options you have.

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It's what's so amazing

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about the computer

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era is that you have

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all these options and, like,

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you can do anything

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with your life.

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We're not forced to pick

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one thing anymore.

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So therefore,

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no one gets super

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good at this one thing

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because they can always

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choose the number.

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With this,

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I can go and do this instead.

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Bjorn Borg

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the same way you were

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before the internet.

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And I think

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a lot of creativity

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is born out of boredom.

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I actually used to own

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a bar in New York City.

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We had the second

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Bitcoin ATM,

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in Manhattan at the time

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that was on the Lower

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East Side.

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So been in Bitcoin

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for a little while

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and my biggest regret

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is not working in bitcoin

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full time

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and starting back then.

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But I'm making up for it now.

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Most welcome to the

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Bitcoin Infinity Show,

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or rather

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the Knudsen Home show.

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Well, I guess

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because Luke isn't here.

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Unfortunately,

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but welcome anyway.

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Finally.

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And it's good to be here

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hanging out with you

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on this show.

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And Luke has to be

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pissed, right?

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Because we talked

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about doing this

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and Luke stopped here,

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so we'll have to do it again

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and make up for it.

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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I bet he won't want

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wanted to have been here.

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But yeah,

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we we saw each other,

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like, last week

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and, did a rocket

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motor show in San Salvador

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and one in Colombia, too.

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But let's not talk

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too much about that one.

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They turned out

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the lights on you, Keanu.

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They tried.

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They tried to cut power,

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which was perfect.

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Now we'll be forever

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remembered as rebels

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in, soundtrack adore.

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Because, of course,

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the show must go on.

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We refused to stop

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when they told us to.

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And, I absolutely love that.

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It was

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very much

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in the spirit of rock n roll.

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The whole the whole evening.

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Yeah, the show must go on.

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And in order for it to go

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on, Canute

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and I are walking to El

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Salvador music stores,

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trying

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to, you know,

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Google Translate our way

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into negotiating

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a Mexican Telecaster.

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So, yeah, something to play.

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It was absolutely beautiful.

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So thank you very much

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for that Telecaster

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you'll get to,

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to tell the story

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about what happened

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to that Telecaster real soon.

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But first,

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let's start things off.

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Since you haven't

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been on the show before,

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as far as I can remember.

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Let's, tell our audience

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a bit about Mr. Mossman.

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And who is he? Is who?

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When he found Bitcoin

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on what he does

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and how the Rock Komodo thing

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started and,

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you know, everything else

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you want to tell us?

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Well, me,

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my friends call me mas.

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My name is Mike

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Jarmusch's, and,

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my company is Lightning

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Ventures.

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Lightning ventures

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is our website.

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We're

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about to get a brand new one,

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and we invest in Bitcoin

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startups, Bitcoin companies,

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early stage,

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later stage,

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we've probably invested

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in about 45 or more, Bitcoin

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only companies in the space

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that, we all know and love.

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So, we operate a little bit

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differently where

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we have a syndicate

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where anyone can invest.

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So if you wanted

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to get started with

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investing in early stage

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Bitcoin startups

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for like $1,000,

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we're a great resource

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and group

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as well as jobs and talent

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and all sorts

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of other fun things.

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a product

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of Lightning

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Ventures was Thunder

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Thunder

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that we just launched.

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Thunder, thunder.com

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is a regulation,

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crowdfunding portal

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where it's still equity.

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This is not like donations

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and Patreon,

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but it really widens it

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to where anyone literally

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almost anyone,

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can actually invest

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in some of these.

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So our first two

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deals on there,

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one is for jolts,

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they just had some big news

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in El Salvador

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and of course

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the orange pill app,

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which I think Kanoute,

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helps out with on that.

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But yeah, so that's what

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I'm up to

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is Lightning Ventures

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and, Thunder Thunder

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when I found Bitcoin, well,

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I should be worth

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like $10 billion

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because I was pretty early

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in bitcoin.

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But like all of us,

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we didn't just,

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go head in,

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but it was somewhere around

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that Max Keizer

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$3 area,

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that 2013 ish area

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where it really started

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paying,

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a little bit of attention,

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and getting going with it.

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I actually used to own a bar

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in New York City.

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We had the second

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So, been in Bitcoin

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for a little while,

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and my biggest regret

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is not working

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in Bitcoin full time

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and starting back then.

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But I'm

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making up for it now.

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You certainly are.

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And unlike this,

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Lightning Ventures

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and Thunder.

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Thunder is super interesting.

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And you're right,

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I am, an advisor

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for the orange pillar.

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Like disclaimer here is so.

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So how does that work?

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How does the thunder

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thunder thing work?

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You said anyway,

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anyone can invest.

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You can just

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shoot assets and become,

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equity holder.

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Is that how it works?

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Yeah, well, it's not like a

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no KYC

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kind of peer to peer

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deal, like,

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this is a regulated space.

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We have, a license and Finra

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and all that good stuff.

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But, investors,

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pretty much

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most anywhere in the world,

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can sign up for Thunder.

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Thunder

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with very little friction.

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And if they had

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an opportunity to invest

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in the orange pill app,

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they could invest

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maybe $100 minimum,

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and that would be equity.

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That would be the same

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kind of terms as the suits

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and all the

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the big investors

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that were coming into

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these rounds

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were kind of a pleb

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investment platform

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or a way for the plebs

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to get started.

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if you're a Bitcoin startup

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or company

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looking to raise money,

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you should reach out,

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fill out the form

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on the website.

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Not only that,

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but maybe even something

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like podcasters

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or media things.

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Maybe,

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maybe canoed, with,

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you know, everything divided

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and the Infinity

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Show wanted to do,

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do a raise or something.

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We're looking for creative,

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things like that to.

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Yeah, that definitely

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sounds like something worth

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looking into a little deeper.

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And, I'm

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sorry I haven't done that

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yet, but, as you know,

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I've been I've been busy,

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and so have you. The.

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And we've been busy together

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with these rock Komodo shows.

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So what's, like the,

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the story there.

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So we tell,

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tell the people

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about how that whole thing

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started, what it is and like.

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Yeah.

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Can can you give us

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your version of what,

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Satoshi Nakamoto is

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and how he came to be?

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Okay, but you know what?

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You got to interrupt me

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or stop me if you want to,

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add some details. Okay?

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I, I am the great

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interrupter, and,

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yeah,

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Lou can tell you

327
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all about that.

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My interruptions.

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So don't worry about that.

330
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Well, for anyone who knows

331
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ugly old goat,

332
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you know, that's the.

333
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He's a real interesting guy.

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And he is an

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amazing human being,

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for sure.

337
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But ugly old goat was doing

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a conference in Mexico, and,

339
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I had never met Kanoute.

340
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But Kanoute was invited

341
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and came down there,

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and I was there with honor.

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And when we got to

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the conference,

345
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it was beautiful,

346
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the venue was beautiful

347
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and, you know, went all out.

348
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He had like busts and statues

349
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on the stage of like,

350
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Saifuddin

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and all these things.

352
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And, you know,

353
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really went out.

354
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And it turns out

355
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that basically everyone

356
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in the audience

357
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at the conference

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was a speaker.

359
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So you had this big,

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beautiful room

361
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and it looked good.

362
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The lights were great,

363
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everything was great.

364
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And there was probably 38

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people here,

366
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and 33 of

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those people were on stage.

368
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So, it was

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it was a fun,

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interesting event.

371
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And that's

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where I met Kanoute.

373
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Because I used to

374
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always carry

375
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around a chess set.

376
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I haven't brought it

377
00:08:07,083 --> 00:08:07,625
to the last

378
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few Bitcoin conferences,

379
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but I would love to bring,

380
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and do these Bitcoin blitz

381
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sort of chess

382
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tournaments for SATs

383
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and all that

384
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kind of fun stuff.

385
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And I had a chess

386
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set in Mexico.

387
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And Canutt can really play.

388
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He could really play.

389
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So our first bond

390
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was really over

391
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some blitz chess,

392
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late at night

393
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and, on our

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first few days there.

395
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Yeah, I think your

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first words to me

397
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was,

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may I

399
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interest you

400
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in an adult beverage?

401
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And then we had a couple

402
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of drinks

403
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and played some chess.

404
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You know,

405
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and, to add to this, this

406
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was this was, like,

407
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late stage lockdown bullshit.

408
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I refuse to call it

409
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late stage Covid

410
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because I prefer to call it

411
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late stage lockdown bullshit.

412
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And,

413
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so I think that's,

414
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that played a huge part

415
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in why,

416
00:09:01,125 --> 00:09:02,208
why there weren't

417
00:09:02,208 --> 00:09:03,833
many attendees at the,

418
00:09:03,833 --> 00:09:05,416
at the event.

419
00:09:05,416 --> 00:09:07,291
I would say there were,

420
00:09:07,291 --> 00:09:08,416
a few more guests

421
00:09:08,416 --> 00:09:10,000
than maybe five, but but,

422
00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,708
maybe an equal amount.

423
00:09:11,708 --> 00:09:12,500
Yeah. Yeah.

424
00:09:12,500 --> 00:09:14,750
To to to, to not bash

425
00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:15,916
ugly too much here.

426
00:09:15,916 --> 00:09:17,125
I mean, it wasn't his fault

427
00:09:17,125 --> 00:09:17,791
to begin with,

428
00:09:17,791 --> 00:09:18,833
but there were about

429
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an equal amount of guests,

430
00:09:20,333 --> 00:09:21,416
and, and speakers,

431
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I think something like

432
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maybe a bit fewer

433
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guests, but,

434
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but we had a great time,

435
00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:28,166
and he was such a sweet guy,

436
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and he,

437
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treated us to all sorts

438
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of, luxurious things and

439
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various,

440
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things.

441
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And we

442
00:09:36,541 --> 00:09:37,291
we ended up,

443
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driving little buggies,

444
00:09:40,375 --> 00:09:43,250
in, beach buggy

445
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bikes, slash cars.

446
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More cars than bikes,

447
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at a place called

448
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Horse Power Ranch.

449
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So, I'll let you take it

450
00:09:50,125 --> 00:09:50,833
from here.

451
00:09:50,833 --> 00:09:51,375
Well, no,

452
00:09:51,375 --> 00:09:53,000
I just wanted to add that.

453
00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:53,416
Okay,

454
00:09:53,416 --> 00:09:54,958
so the horse power ranch,

455
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these were not just,

456
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like, little buggy

457
00:09:58,041 --> 00:09:59,333
things, okay? These were not.

458
00:09:59,333 --> 00:10:01,041
This was not the kids thing.

459
00:10:01,041 --> 00:10:01,791
You know, when you go

460
00:10:01,791 --> 00:10:03,166
to, like, a tourist place

461
00:10:03,166 --> 00:10:04,375
and you want to ride horses,

462
00:10:04,375 --> 00:10:05,166
but you can tell

463
00:10:05,166 --> 00:10:05,833
this isn't like

464
00:10:05,833 --> 00:10:07,875
the real horse riding place,

465
00:10:07,875 --> 00:10:08,291
or you want to

466
00:10:08,291 --> 00:10:09,875
drive a fast car

467
00:10:09,875 --> 00:10:10,250
and they,

468
00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:10,625
you know, it's

469
00:10:10,625 --> 00:10:11,625
like kind of like a joke

470
00:10:11,625 --> 00:10:12,333
for tourists.

471
00:10:12,333 --> 00:10:13,708
This was not that

472
00:10:13,708 --> 00:10:14,958
these vehicles

473
00:10:14,958 --> 00:10:16,875
were freakin Siri

474
00:10:16,875 --> 00:10:18,166
s, man, okay?

475
00:10:18,166 --> 00:10:20,875
And there were no guardrails,

476
00:10:20,875 --> 00:10:21,500
okay?

477
00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:22,333
You were literally

478
00:10:22,333 --> 00:10:23,750
you were no guardrails.

479
00:10:23,750 --> 00:10:25,291
This was completely off road.

480
00:10:25,291 --> 00:10:26,750
It was insane.

481
00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:27,833
And it was actually

482
00:10:27,833 --> 00:10:29,458
very dangerous

483
00:10:29,458 --> 00:10:30,958
thinking about it. Okay.

484
00:10:30,958 --> 00:10:32,750
And the lady from the hotel,

485
00:10:32,750 --> 00:10:33,791
as I'm getting ready

486
00:10:33,791 --> 00:10:34,416
to take off,

487
00:10:34,416 --> 00:10:35,708
there's dust everywhere.

488
00:10:35,708 --> 00:10:36,791
You have to wear a mask.

489
00:10:36,791 --> 00:10:37,541
It was the only time

490
00:10:37,541 --> 00:10:38,041
that you wanted

491
00:10:38,041 --> 00:10:39,291
to wear a mask

492
00:10:39,291 --> 00:10:41,416
during the mask era of Covid,

493
00:10:41,416 --> 00:10:42,500
because there was so much

494
00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:43,000
to us.

495
00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,333
The lady from the hotel

496
00:10:44,333 --> 00:10:45,250
comes up to me

497
00:10:45,250 --> 00:10:46,416
as I'm about to leave

498
00:10:46,416 --> 00:10:47,083
in this car.

499
00:10:47,083 --> 00:10:48,500
I'm actually with one gal

500
00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:49,208
and she looks at me

501
00:10:49,208 --> 00:10:50,125
and she says,

502
00:10:50,125 --> 00:10:50,583
you know,

503
00:10:50,583 --> 00:10:51,708
we don't have insurance,

504
00:10:51,708 --> 00:10:52,583
right?

505
00:10:52,583 --> 00:10:53,375
That's literally

506
00:10:53,375 --> 00:10:53,958
what she said.

507
00:10:53,958 --> 00:10:55,250
She's like an old Mexican

508
00:10:55,250 --> 00:10:55,750
lady, like,

509
00:10:55,750 --> 00:10:56,083
I don't

510
00:10:56,083 --> 00:10:57,541
she wasn't making a joke

511
00:10:57,541 --> 00:10:58,250
like she was being

512
00:10:58,250 --> 00:10:59,541
completely serious.

513
00:10:59,541 --> 00:11:00,166
And I don't know why

514
00:11:00,166 --> 00:11:01,708
she just said that to me,

515
00:11:01,708 --> 00:11:02,833
but that was

516
00:11:02,833 --> 00:11:03,916
really dangerous.

517
00:11:03,916 --> 00:11:06,500
But that was also really fun.

518
00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:06,791
Yeah,

519
00:11:06,791 --> 00:11:08,750
I shared rooms

520
00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:10,458
with a guy called Victor,

521
00:11:10,458 --> 00:11:10,958
I think,

522
00:11:10,958 --> 00:11:14,291
and he is a, a Mexican guy.

523
00:11:14,291 --> 00:11:15,458
And and at this

524
00:11:15,458 --> 00:11:16,208
horse power ranch,

525
00:11:16,208 --> 00:11:19,166
we found a black widow. So.

526
00:11:19,166 --> 00:11:20,333
But he was trying to cook,

527
00:11:20,333 --> 00:11:21,041
and I'm like,

528
00:11:21,041 --> 00:11:21,833
Holy shit,

529
00:11:21,833 --> 00:11:23,208
that thing didn't kill you.

530
00:11:23,208 --> 00:11:23,875
And he's trying

531
00:11:23,875 --> 00:11:24,833
to call me down.

532
00:11:24,833 --> 00:11:25,875
And they said, like,

533
00:11:25,875 --> 00:11:26,750
don't worry,

534
00:11:26,750 --> 00:11:28,250
man, don't worry.

535
00:11:28,250 --> 00:11:29,833
Everything in Mexico

536
00:11:29,833 --> 00:11:31,166
want to kill you.

537
00:11:31,166 --> 00:11:33,291
Just you just have to relax.

538
00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:34,958
And I can't say

539
00:11:34,958 --> 00:11:35,583
I was more

540
00:11:35,583 --> 00:11:38,583
relaxed after that.

541
00:11:38,750 --> 00:11:39,750
So we're at this horse

542
00:11:39,750 --> 00:11:40,625
power ranch,

543
00:11:40,625 --> 00:11:42,500
and they set up,

544
00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:44,583
kind of a little, show.

545
00:11:44,583 --> 00:11:45,000
Right?

546
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,041
That was part of the thing

547
00:11:46,041 --> 00:11:47,541
where with, dinner

548
00:11:47,541 --> 00:11:49,041
and there was outdoor,

549
00:11:49,041 --> 00:11:51,916
very small little patio area

550
00:11:51,916 --> 00:11:54,500
with, high quality

551
00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:57,166
gear and, a cover band,

552
00:11:57,166 --> 00:11:59,083
and,

553
00:11:59,083 --> 00:12:01,250
my history of managing bands

554
00:12:01,250 --> 00:12:02,541
and, you know,

555
00:12:02,541 --> 00:12:05,083
doing my thing with music,

556
00:12:05,083 --> 00:12:06,208
I couldn't help

557
00:12:06,208 --> 00:12:07,041
because the pieces

558
00:12:07,041 --> 00:12:08,750
were coming together.

559
00:12:08,750 --> 00:12:11,041
Gabe, from Tampa.

560
00:12:11,041 --> 00:12:14,041
Gabe is an amazing drummer.

561
00:12:14,083 --> 00:12:15,166
He can easily.

562
00:12:15,166 --> 00:12:15,750
He's the guy,

563
00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:16,666
the cover band guy

564
00:12:16,666 --> 00:12:17,500
that's been playing

565
00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:18,708
for 40 years straight.

566
00:12:18,708 --> 00:12:19,583
He can literally play

567
00:12:19,583 --> 00:12:20,583
any song.

568
00:12:20,583 --> 00:12:21,291
But he can also

569
00:12:21,291 --> 00:12:23,000
play guitar and bass,

570
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,958
and he's just he's

571
00:12:23,958 --> 00:12:24,916
that guy, right?

572
00:12:24,916 --> 00:12:25,625
And I've always known

573
00:12:25,625 --> 00:12:26,625
that about Gabe.

574
00:12:26,625 --> 00:12:28,041
So Gabe keyboards, right?

575
00:12:28,041 --> 00:12:29,250
He played keyboards, right?

576
00:12:29,250 --> 00:12:29,958
Yeah.

577
00:12:29,958 --> 00:12:31,166
Gabe can play

578
00:12:31,166 --> 00:12:32,208
a little bit of everything.

579
00:12:32,208 --> 00:12:34,333
He is. He is an all star.

580
00:12:34,333 --> 00:12:35,500
And then through

581
00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:36,666
the conversation

582
00:12:36,666 --> 00:12:39,000
of getting to know, Lex,

583
00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,333
you know, Bitcoin mechanic,

584
00:12:40,333 --> 00:12:41,583
I had no idea that

585
00:12:41,583 --> 00:12:42,833
he used to actually play

586
00:12:42,833 --> 00:12:44,291
with Donna Summer.

587
00:12:44,291 --> 00:12:46,583
He was a studio musician

588
00:12:46,583 --> 00:12:48,791
and that he is an absolute

589
00:12:48,791 --> 00:12:51,750
all star on bass and keys.

590
00:12:51,750 --> 00:12:53,041
He's he's just a ripper.

591
00:12:54,333 --> 00:12:56,625
He is so good.

592
00:12:56,625 --> 00:12:57,416
Yeah.

593
00:12:57,416 --> 00:12:58,916
So, you

594
00:12:58,916 --> 00:12:59,875
know, finding that out

595
00:12:59,875 --> 00:13:00,416
and then,

596
00:13:00,416 --> 00:13:00,708
you know,

597
00:13:00,708 --> 00:13:02,000
I've known Giacomo and

598
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:02,666
and Mia

599
00:13:02,666 --> 00:13:04,375
for years,

600
00:13:04,375 --> 00:13:05,125
and I didn't know

601
00:13:05,125 --> 00:13:05,625
that she was

602
00:13:05,625 --> 00:13:07,541
a professional vocal coach.

603
00:13:07,541 --> 00:13:08,750
I didn't know that, like,

604
00:13:08,750 --> 00:13:10,166
that was a part of her thing.

605
00:13:10,166 --> 00:13:10,833
So it's like,

606
00:13:10,833 --> 00:13:12,708
slowly coming together

607
00:13:12,708 --> 00:13:13,583
here,

608
00:13:13,583 --> 00:13:16,458
and I kind of arrange it.

609
00:13:16,458 --> 00:13:18,833
So I say to the cover band,

610
00:13:18,833 --> 00:13:19,666
because who wants to hear

611
00:13:19,666 --> 00:13:20,541
a cover band? Right?

612
00:13:20,541 --> 00:13:21,666
It's a Mexican cover, man.

613
00:13:21,666 --> 00:13:22,375
We didn't know

614
00:13:22,375 --> 00:13:22,750
they were going

615
00:13:22,750 --> 00:13:24,416
to be excellent.

616
00:13:24,416 --> 00:13:25,000
They okay.

617
00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:25,500
We didn't know

618
00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:26,541
what was about to happen,

619
00:13:26,541 --> 00:13:27,208
but it was kind of like,

620
00:13:27,208 --> 00:13:28,041
hey, listen,

621
00:13:28,041 --> 00:13:29,125
you know, it's just us here

622
00:13:29,125 --> 00:13:30,416
for this party.

623
00:13:30,416 --> 00:13:31,458
You know, I've got some

624
00:13:31,458 --> 00:13:32,541
some Bitcoiners here.

625
00:13:32,541 --> 00:13:32,916
We want to have a

626
00:13:32,916 --> 00:13:33,541
little bit of fun.

627
00:13:33,541 --> 00:13:34,708
Do you think we can just

628
00:13:34,708 --> 00:13:36,041
use your gear

629
00:13:36,041 --> 00:13:36,916
and kind of play

630
00:13:36,916 --> 00:13:38,541
and have some fun?

631
00:13:38,541 --> 00:13:39,416
And they said,

632
00:13:39,416 --> 00:13:40,458
absolutely not.

633
00:13:42,041 --> 00:13:42,500
They were

634
00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:43,333
offended because

635
00:13:43,333 --> 00:13:45,041
they really wanted to play,

636
00:13:45,041 --> 00:13:46,375
for you guys.

637
00:13:46,375 --> 00:13:46,833
And then they

638
00:13:46,833 --> 00:13:47,541
started playing,

639
00:13:47,541 --> 00:13:49,000
and they were incredible,

640
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,291
just calling out a song

641
00:13:51,291 --> 00:13:52,041
and they played it,

642
00:13:52,041 --> 00:13:52,916
and that was great.

643
00:13:52,916 --> 00:13:54,916
And then they took a break.

644
00:13:54,916 --> 00:13:55,833
They took a break

645
00:13:55,833 --> 00:13:56,750
and they said,

646
00:13:56,750 --> 00:13:58,375
hey, if you guys want to,

647
00:13:58,375 --> 00:13:59,500
have a little bit of fun

648
00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:00,291
for a little while,

649
00:14:00,291 --> 00:14:01,375
go for it.

650
00:14:01,375 --> 00:14:01,875
And that's

651
00:14:01,875 --> 00:14:02,708
when the first,

652
00:14:02,708 --> 00:14:05,416
the first band assembled.

653
00:14:05,416 --> 00:14:06,500
That's when I found out

654
00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:07,250
I didn't even know

655
00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:07,916
Knute could play

656
00:14:07,916 --> 00:14:08,875
at this time.

657
00:14:08,875 --> 00:14:09,833
Can you just picked up

658
00:14:09,833 --> 00:14:10,375
the guitar

659
00:14:10,375 --> 00:14:11,000
and all of a sudden

660
00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:11,833
I was just screaming,

661
00:14:11,833 --> 00:14:14,833
he's a shredder.

662
00:14:15,666 --> 00:14:16,916
I wouldn't know about that.

663
00:14:16,916 --> 00:14:17,500
But,

664
00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:19,125
we were all surprised that

665
00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:20,625
and that it sounded

666
00:14:20,625 --> 00:14:22,833
not not shit

667
00:14:22,833 --> 00:14:23,583
when we picked

668
00:14:23,583 --> 00:14:24,708
up the instruments.

669
00:14:24,708 --> 00:14:25,416
And this is how the

670
00:14:25,416 --> 00:14:26,375
Satoshi Nakamoto

671
00:14:26,375 --> 00:14:27,625
thing was born, I guess.

672
00:14:28,750 --> 00:14:30,041
You know, it's kind of cool.

673
00:14:30,041 --> 00:14:30,375
Like,

674
00:14:30,375 --> 00:14:31,500
the Bitcoiners

675
00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:32,375
are such a unique

676
00:14:32,375 --> 00:14:33,250
and individual

677
00:14:33,250 --> 00:14:34,416
and awesome people

678
00:14:34,416 --> 00:14:35,416
is that you

679
00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:36,208
don't really

680
00:14:36,208 --> 00:14:37,791
have to tell them what to do.

681
00:14:37,791 --> 00:14:38,666
Like, that's what I love.

682
00:14:38,666 --> 00:14:39,500
With the chess set,

683
00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:40,166
I would bring 4

684
00:14:40,166 --> 00:14:41,083
or 5 chess sets

685
00:14:41,083 --> 00:14:42,458
to a Bitcoin conference.

686
00:14:42,458 --> 00:14:44,000
Just put them out

687
00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,541
and the rest happens,

688
00:14:45,541 --> 00:14:46,208
you know what I mean?

689
00:14:46,208 --> 00:14:47,125
And that's kind of

690
00:14:47,125 --> 00:14:48,541
was the original idea

691
00:14:48,541 --> 00:14:49,583
with the rock motors.

692
00:14:49,583 --> 00:14:50,500
Although it's changed

693
00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:51,041
recently.

694
00:14:51,041 --> 00:14:51,375
We're going to

695
00:14:51,375 --> 00:14:52,000
have to have a rock

696
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,166
mono board meeting soon.

697
00:14:54,166 --> 00:14:54,833
But you know,

698
00:14:54,833 --> 00:14:55,666
if you just have

699
00:14:55,666 --> 00:14:57,166
the gear there

700
00:14:57,166 --> 00:14:58,833
and then kind of see

701
00:14:58,833 --> 00:14:59,791
what happens, right?

702
00:14:59,791 --> 00:15:00,166
Because you've

703
00:15:00,166 --> 00:15:01,625
got amazing people

704
00:15:01,625 --> 00:15:02,750
that all can,

705
00:15:02,750 --> 00:15:03,125
can do

706
00:15:03,125 --> 00:15:04,458
a lot of different things.

707
00:15:04,458 --> 00:15:05,625
And then we found out

708
00:15:05,625 --> 00:15:06,291
some other people

709
00:15:06,291 --> 00:15:07,750
that could play that night.

710
00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:09,958
Was it Robert,

711
00:15:09,958 --> 00:15:10,750
was it Robert?

712
00:15:10,750 --> 00:15:11,833
The name of,

713
00:15:11,833 --> 00:15:13,375
one of the guitar players,

714
00:15:13,375 --> 00:15:15,166
I think,

715
00:15:15,166 --> 00:15:16,083
I can't remember

716
00:15:16,083 --> 00:15:17,208
if, who else,

717
00:15:17,208 --> 00:15:19,166
but we had Satoshi.

718
00:15:19,166 --> 00:15:21,166
You sound I don't remember.

719
00:15:21,166 --> 00:15:22,250
His name is Robert. Yeah.

720
00:15:22,250 --> 00:15:22,916
It's Robert.

721
00:15:22,916 --> 00:15:24,041
Yeah, he played the drums

722
00:15:24,041 --> 00:15:25,250
and he's he's like that

723
00:15:25,250 --> 00:15:26,791
awesome drummer,

724
00:15:26,791 --> 00:15:29,000
and he's like, So good.

725
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:29,416
And he,

726
00:15:30,583 --> 00:15:31,666
he showed up for for

727
00:15:31,666 --> 00:15:33,541
Prague last year, right?

728
00:15:33,541 --> 00:15:35,875
And he played on a

729
00:15:35,875 --> 00:15:37,083
handful of songs there,

730
00:15:37,083 --> 00:15:38,875
including,

731
00:15:38,875 --> 00:15:40,333
Seven Nation Army.

732
00:15:40,333 --> 00:15:41,541
And there's a video from that

733
00:15:41,541 --> 00:15:42,916
and I can tell like this,

734
00:15:42,916 --> 00:15:44,625
the oh, my God,

735
00:15:44,625 --> 00:15:46,416
the drums are so good here.

736
00:15:46,416 --> 00:15:47,875
And I noticed afterwards,

737
00:15:47,875 --> 00:15:49,041
like, Yeah,

738
00:15:49,041 --> 00:15:51,583
it's it's Robert, it's

739
00:15:51,583 --> 00:15:52,291
no wonder

740
00:15:52,291 --> 00:15:52,916
because he's

741
00:15:52,916 --> 00:15:53,583
got such

742
00:15:53,583 --> 00:15:56,583
a amazing feel for it.

743
00:15:56,666 --> 00:15:57,416
Yeah.

744
00:15:57,416 --> 00:15:58,708
And that was kind of the,

745
00:15:58,708 --> 00:16:01,208
the Genesis block there.

746
00:16:01,208 --> 00:16:03,125
No.

747
00:16:03,125 --> 00:16:03,625
Hello there,

748
00:16:03,625 --> 00:16:04,500
fellow Bitcoiners.

749
00:16:04,500 --> 00:16:05,791
Take your coins off

750
00:16:05,791 --> 00:16:07,375
the exchange right now.

751
00:16:07,375 --> 00:16:08,083
You need to take

752
00:16:08,083 --> 00:16:09,583
self-custody of your coins.

753
00:16:09,583 --> 00:16:10,500
Now, how do you do that?

754
00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:11,041
First of all,

755
00:16:11,041 --> 00:16:12,625
you need a good hardware

756
00:16:12,625 --> 00:16:12,958
wallet.

757
00:16:12,958 --> 00:16:14,166
And I would recommend

758
00:16:14,166 --> 00:16:15,291
the beatbox.

759
00:16:15,291 --> 00:16:16,500
So go to beatbox

760
00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:18,333
Dot Swiss Slash Infinity

761
00:16:18,333 --> 00:16:19,250
and get your beef box

762
00:16:19,250 --> 00:16:20,416
now with a discount.

763
00:16:20,416 --> 00:16:21,875
Also, you need somewhere

764
00:16:21,875 --> 00:16:23,458
to store your seed phrase.

765
00:16:23,458 --> 00:16:24,750
So why not get one of those

766
00:16:24,750 --> 00:16:26,125
wonderful steel seed

767
00:16:26,125 --> 00:16:27,875
plate storage thingies

768
00:16:27,875 --> 00:16:29,583
from Stamps.com

769
00:16:29,583 --> 00:16:30,541
slash infinity

770
00:16:30,541 --> 00:16:31,708
and you can get the

771
00:16:31,708 --> 00:16:32,583
everything divided

772
00:16:32,583 --> 00:16:33,791
seed plate. It's beautiful.

773
00:16:33,791 --> 00:16:35,458
Also, if you're advanced

774
00:16:35,458 --> 00:16:37,583
and if you want to start

775
00:16:37,583 --> 00:16:37,833
with the

776
00:16:37,833 --> 00:16:39,166
generational wealth thing,

777
00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:40,625
which is a fun hobby I have,

778
00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:41,375
you can go to

779
00:16:41,375 --> 00:16:42,458
the Bitcoin Advisor

780
00:16:42,458 --> 00:16:44,041
group of lovely fellows

781
00:16:44,041 --> 00:16:44,583
from Down

782
00:16:44,583 --> 00:16:45,250
Under that

783
00:16:45,250 --> 00:16:45,958
can help you

784
00:16:45,958 --> 00:16:47,208
store your Bitcoin

785
00:16:47,208 --> 00:16:48,458
for a long time

786
00:16:48,458 --> 00:16:50,125
using Multi-sig solutions.

787
00:16:50,125 --> 00:16:51,958
So check out pip box,

788
00:16:51,958 --> 00:16:52,708
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789
00:16:52,708 --> 00:16:54,375
and the Bitcoin Advisor

790
00:16:54,375 --> 00:16:56,041
or Chief White.

791
00:16:57,041 --> 00:16:58,083
Back to the show.

792
00:16:58,083 --> 00:16:58,500
And so,

793
00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:00,041
so, so when was the next rock

794
00:17:00,041 --> 00:17:00,750
I like?

795
00:17:00,750 --> 00:17:01,750
It wasn't called the rock.

796
00:17:01,750 --> 00:17:02,833
I'm older then, but.

797
00:17:02,833 --> 00:17:04,000
But you were

798
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,083
certainly in charge

799
00:17:05,083 --> 00:17:05,916
and telling everyone

800
00:17:05,916 --> 00:17:06,541
that you need

801
00:17:06,541 --> 00:17:09,541
to go up on stage now.

802
00:17:09,875 --> 00:17:11,791
So, so so when was the

803
00:17:11,791 --> 00:17:13,666
when was the first real one?

804
00:17:13,666 --> 00:17:14,125
Was that,

805
00:17:14,125 --> 00:17:17,125
it was actually Miami.

806
00:17:17,375 --> 00:17:19,166
And yes, I'm

807
00:17:19,166 --> 00:17:19,833
well aware that

808
00:17:19,833 --> 00:17:20,958
I am a pain in the ass.

809
00:17:20,958 --> 00:17:22,125
That is for sure.

810
00:17:22,125 --> 00:17:23,500
In a good way.

811
00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:25,083
In a good way. Working on it.

812
00:17:25,083 --> 00:17:26,833
So, so, yeah.

813
00:17:26,833 --> 00:17:27,791
So we did

814
00:17:27,791 --> 00:17:31,541
one in, Miami at, one,

815
00:17:31,541 --> 00:17:32,791
I can't remember what year.

816
00:17:32,791 --> 00:17:33,208
Conference.

817
00:17:33,208 --> 00:17:34,083
I had the flier, though.

818
00:17:34,083 --> 00:17:35,458
It was actually pretty cool.

819
00:17:35,458 --> 00:17:36,291
And it was a

820
00:17:36,291 --> 00:17:37,250
small little room.

821
00:17:37,250 --> 00:17:37,916
It was a Lightning

822
00:17:37,916 --> 00:17:38,875
Ventures party.

823
00:17:38,875 --> 00:17:39,958
It was free.

824
00:17:39,958 --> 00:17:41,833
It was packed, and,

825
00:17:41,833 --> 00:17:43,250
we had it.

826
00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:44,250
We had a pretty good time

827
00:17:44,250 --> 00:17:44,708
there, but

828
00:17:44,708 --> 00:17:47,375
Kanoute was not there. Wait.

829
00:17:47,375 --> 00:17:49,291
I was like, yeah, yeah,

830
00:17:49,291 --> 00:17:50,708
I just went with it.

831
00:17:50,708 --> 00:17:51,000
Yeah,

832
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,041
I came directly

833
00:17:52,041 --> 00:17:53,250
from the airport,

834
00:17:53,250 --> 00:17:54,625
so I took an Uber

835
00:17:54,625 --> 00:17:55,833
straight to the venue

836
00:17:55,833 --> 00:17:56,541
because it had

837
00:17:56,541 --> 00:17:58,125
the show had already started,

838
00:17:58,125 --> 00:17:59,208
and I remember

839
00:17:59,208 --> 00:18:00,208
meeting you on the street

840
00:18:00,208 --> 00:18:01,166
the like, don't

841
00:18:01,166 --> 00:18:02,416
you need to come up on stage

842
00:18:02,416 --> 00:18:03,791
and play bass immediately

843
00:18:03,791 --> 00:18:05,166
like we have no bass player.

844
00:18:05,166 --> 00:18:06,166
So, so I

845
00:18:06,166 --> 00:18:07,541
hop on the stage and like,

846
00:18:07,541 --> 00:18:08,958
but what about my luggage?

847
00:18:08,958 --> 00:18:10,416
And I leave it on the

848
00:18:10,416 --> 00:18:11,750
on the sidewalk

849
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:12,791
and the and you're like,

850
00:18:12,791 --> 00:18:13,333
I'll take care

851
00:18:13,333 --> 00:18:13,916
of your luggage.

852
00:18:13,916 --> 00:18:14,916
Don't worry about it.

853
00:18:14,916 --> 00:18:16,250
You'll have to get on stage

854
00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:17,000
and I hope and

855
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:17,791
and I play bass

856
00:18:17,791 --> 00:18:19,375
for, 45 minutes

857
00:18:19,375 --> 00:18:20,500
and I come back out again

858
00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:21,333
and there's my luggage

859
00:18:21,333 --> 00:18:22,416
still on the street.

860
00:18:25,125 --> 00:18:25,625
But.

861
00:18:25,625 --> 00:18:27,208
But it was still there, so.

862
00:18:27,208 --> 00:18:29,833
No, no worries.

863
00:18:29,833 --> 00:18:30,125
Yeah.

864
00:18:30,125 --> 00:18:31,000
And yeah,

865
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,166
that was a cool venue.

866
00:18:32,166 --> 00:18:32,708
It's,

867
00:18:32,708 --> 00:18:35,250
it was narrow and tiny, but

868
00:18:35,250 --> 00:18:36,541
but it absolutely.

869
00:18:36,541 --> 00:18:37,166
Yeah,

870
00:18:37,166 --> 00:18:39,750
there was a special event to.

871
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:40,958
I have so many fond

872
00:18:40,958 --> 00:18:41,958
memories of these,

873
00:18:41,958 --> 00:18:43,750
these occasions.

874
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:46,333
Yeah. There you go.

875
00:18:46,333 --> 00:18:49,333
So.

876
00:18:49,958 --> 00:18:50,875
So, yeah, that was a

877
00:18:50,875 --> 00:18:51,500
that was a little one

878
00:18:51,500 --> 00:18:52,208
that's actually Seven

879
00:18:52,208 --> 00:18:54,750
Nation Army, I think.

880
00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:55,666
Yeah.

881
00:18:55,666 --> 00:18:57,125
Is that the same?

882
00:18:57,125 --> 00:18:59,916
Oh yeah.

883
00:18:59,916 --> 00:19:00,916
That was that.

884
00:19:00,916 --> 00:19:01,541
So that was

885
00:19:01,541 --> 00:19:02,208
I think that was

886
00:19:02,208 --> 00:19:03,791
the first one.

887
00:19:03,791 --> 00:19:04,041
Oh.

888
00:19:04,041 --> 00:19:06,375
Was, was that

889
00:19:06,375 --> 00:19:08,000
was that night there.

890
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,458
But I, I forgot

891
00:19:09,458 --> 00:19:09,875
and you know what

892
00:19:09,875 --> 00:19:11,291
I couldn't find, the flier

893
00:19:11,291 --> 00:19:11,625
I went

894
00:19:11,625 --> 00:19:12,125
and I tried to

895
00:19:12,125 --> 00:19:13,333
bookmark the other day

896
00:19:13,333 --> 00:19:15,250
a lot of those, rock motos,

897
00:19:15,250 --> 00:19:16,333
anything I could find on

898
00:19:16,333 --> 00:19:17,083
Twitter for,

899
00:19:17,083 --> 00:19:18,125
you know, the Bitcoin

900
00:19:18,125 --> 00:19:19,416
national Museum.

901
00:19:19,416 --> 00:19:20,416
One day,

902
00:19:20,416 --> 00:19:23,250
is going to want a section

903
00:19:23,250 --> 00:19:24,750
of the, of the place

904
00:19:24,750 --> 00:19:25,958
for this.

905
00:19:25,958 --> 00:19:26,375
But, yeah,

906
00:19:26,375 --> 00:19:27,375
that was a fun one.

907
00:19:27,375 --> 00:19:28,541
And it was super small.

908
00:19:28,541 --> 00:19:28,958
And, you know,

909
00:19:28,958 --> 00:19:30,125
we had some surprises,

910
00:19:30,125 --> 00:19:30,625
I don't know,

911
00:19:30,625 --> 00:19:31,583
do you remember that guy

912
00:19:31,583 --> 00:19:32,291
from ibex

913
00:19:32,291 --> 00:19:34,125
who came up and sang La Bamba

914
00:19:34,125 --> 00:19:34,750
and everyone?

915
00:19:34,750 --> 00:19:35,166
Oh, yeah.

916
00:19:35,166 --> 00:19:35,833
Yeah, yeah,

917
00:19:35,833 --> 00:19:37,166
yeah, yeah, that was great.

918
00:19:38,458 --> 00:19:38,833
I wouldn't

919
00:19:38,833 --> 00:19:39,291
know about

920
00:19:39,291 --> 00:19:40,083
everyone playing it

921
00:19:40,083 --> 00:19:42,666
perfectly, but

922
00:19:42,666 --> 00:19:43,750
I don't think we ever played

923
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:45,375
anything perfectly on a rock.

924
00:19:45,375 --> 00:19:45,750
I'm older,

925
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:48,750
but that's part of the charm.

926
00:19:49,416 --> 00:19:50,333
This is the thing.

927
00:19:50,333 --> 00:19:51,250
And that's what, like,

928
00:19:51,250 --> 00:19:53,083
It's it's

929
00:19:53,083 --> 00:19:54,875
so it's like

930
00:19:54,875 --> 00:19:55,916
creating something

931
00:19:55,916 --> 00:19:57,208
out of the chaos, like,

932
00:19:57,208 --> 00:19:58,458
it's a very

933
00:19:58,458 --> 00:20:00,125
spontaneous thing.

934
00:20:00,125 --> 00:20:02,375
There are a couple of key

935
00:20:02,375 --> 00:20:04,083
things that need to happen.

936
00:20:04,083 --> 00:20:05,333
A couple of key players

937
00:20:05,333 --> 00:20:06,416
there and there.

938
00:20:06,416 --> 00:20:10,250
But we we often we we,

939
00:20:10,416 --> 00:20:11,875
we try to make it work,

940
00:20:11,875 --> 00:20:12,916
and sometimes it does,

941
00:20:12,916 --> 00:20:14,583
sometimes not so much.

942
00:20:14,583 --> 00:20:16,250
But but it's right.

943
00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:17,333
It's a trial and error

944
00:20:17,333 --> 00:20:18,583
thing, isn't it?

945
00:20:18,583 --> 00:20:19,416
Yeah.

946
00:20:19,416 --> 00:20:20,958
Just like any band,

947
00:20:20,958 --> 00:20:22,541
you know, you start out,

948
00:20:22,541 --> 00:20:23,875
you start out somewhere

949
00:20:23,875 --> 00:20:25,916
and then all of a sudden

950
00:20:25,916 --> 00:20:27,541
there starts to be

951
00:20:27,541 --> 00:20:29,458
some issues.

952
00:20:29,458 --> 00:20:30,000
You know, there

953
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,041
starts to be some issues.

954
00:20:32,041 --> 00:20:33,500
So,

955
00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:34,875
no, it's been a lot of fun

956
00:20:34,875 --> 00:20:35,750
and we've done so many.

957
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:35,958
I mean,

958
00:20:35,958 --> 00:20:37,291
just off the top of my head,

959
00:20:37,291 --> 00:20:41,041
I mean, Miami to Prague

960
00:20:42,291 --> 00:20:42,750
one.

961
00:20:42,750 --> 00:20:45,750
Riga.

962
00:20:46,041 --> 00:20:47,250
One San Salvador.

963
00:20:47,250 --> 00:20:47,833
Before.

964
00:20:47,833 --> 00:20:49,041
Before this one. Right.

965
00:20:49,041 --> 00:20:50,958
So Tucson, Salvador's

966
00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:53,333
two San Salvador's,

967
00:20:53,333 --> 00:20:56,583
we've been doing them

968
00:20:56,583 --> 00:20:57,125
in Amsterdam.

969
00:20:57,125 --> 00:20:59,375
No, we we tried to,

970
00:20:59,375 --> 00:21:00,458
but we couldn't get a venue

971
00:21:00,458 --> 00:21:02,833
in Amsterdam. Right. Yeah.

972
00:21:02,833 --> 00:21:03,791
But that's been,

973
00:21:03,791 --> 00:21:04,750
they've been a few with us

974
00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:06,625
in Colombia a lot.

975
00:21:06,625 --> 00:21:09,000
Yeah, if you count that one.

976
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,416
Yeah.

977
00:21:10,416 --> 00:21:13,083
That was,

978
00:21:13,083 --> 00:21:14,500
that was not the best, but,

979
00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:16,541
that's all right.

980
00:21:16,541 --> 00:21:18,833
But yeah, I got

981
00:21:18,833 --> 00:21:19,750
I can't even think

982
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:21,000
of them, but, but,

983
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,625
yeah, it's been fun, and it's

984
00:21:22,625 --> 00:21:23,500
definitely a fun

985
00:21:23,500 --> 00:21:24,875
little side event.

986
00:21:24,875 --> 00:21:25,750
And,

987
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:27,625
hopefully we can continue.

988
00:21:27,625 --> 00:21:29,416
Continue doing.

989
00:21:29,416 --> 00:21:30,375
Yeah.

990
00:21:30,375 --> 00:21:32,291
Well, I love those fliers.

991
00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:32,708
By the way,

992
00:21:32,708 --> 00:21:34,666
the posters you make, like,

993
00:21:34,666 --> 00:21:36,625
you take, like, a picture

994
00:21:36,625 --> 00:21:37,875
from an old horror movie

995
00:21:37,875 --> 00:21:39,916
or something, and you,

996
00:21:39,916 --> 00:21:41,875
I mean, they look perfect.

997
00:21:41,875 --> 00:21:43,583
They they look

998
00:21:43,583 --> 00:21:44,916
so, you know,

999
00:21:44,916 --> 00:21:46,416
I was a concert promoter.

1000
00:21:46,416 --> 00:21:47,291
We did.

1001
00:21:47,291 --> 00:21:47,750
We did

1002
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:50,083
35 concerts a month, okay,

1003
00:21:50,083 --> 00:21:50,666
in Phoenix,

1004
00:21:50,666 --> 00:21:51,875
Tucson and Albuquerque.

1005
00:21:51,875 --> 00:21:53,250
And we cranked out fliers.

1006
00:21:53,250 --> 00:21:53,833
We cranked out

1007
00:21:53,833 --> 00:21:55,500
some of the best fliers.

1008
00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:56,583
And,

1009
00:21:56,583 --> 00:21:57,458
you know, that's

1010
00:21:57,458 --> 00:21:57,833
kind of

1011
00:21:57,833 --> 00:22:00,083
like the old hacky trick,

1012
00:22:00,083 --> 00:22:01,666
you know, late 90s,

1013
00:22:01,666 --> 00:22:04,083
early 2000, you know,

1014
00:22:04,083 --> 00:22:05,000
when we were

1015
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:05,833
when you're doing that,

1016
00:22:05,833 --> 00:22:06,291
you know,

1017
00:22:06,291 --> 00:22:08,625
you can find a B movie poster

1018
00:22:08,625 --> 00:22:10,000
or something cool

1019
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:10,958
and you can

1020
00:22:10,958 --> 00:22:12,208
get rid of the text.

1021
00:22:12,208 --> 00:22:12,875
And then, of course,

1022
00:22:12,875 --> 00:22:13,083
you know,

1023
00:22:13,083 --> 00:22:14,333
it's all about fonts

1024
00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:15,666
and you can

1025
00:22:15,666 --> 00:22:16,666
you can make some

1026
00:22:16,666 --> 00:22:17,875
really fun stuff.

1027
00:22:17,875 --> 00:22:18,375
I mean, I

1028
00:22:18,375 --> 00:22:19,625
don't have the archive

1029
00:22:19,625 --> 00:22:21,041
like in front of me

1030
00:22:21,041 --> 00:22:21,708
from all of our

1031
00:22:21,708 --> 00:22:22,916
concerts, but,

1032
00:22:22,916 --> 00:22:23,666
you know, from,

1033
00:22:23,666 --> 00:22:25,208
from all the punk rock bands.

1034
00:22:25,208 --> 00:22:25,916
And I'm not talking

1035
00:22:25,916 --> 00:22:26,375
about those

1036
00:22:26,375 --> 00:22:27,541
like British,

1037
00:22:27,541 --> 00:22:28,750
like crass

1038
00:22:28,750 --> 00:22:29,833
in those type of punk

1039
00:22:29,833 --> 00:22:30,666
rock bands,

1040
00:22:30,666 --> 00:22:31,791
you know, Dead Kennedys

1041
00:22:31,791 --> 00:22:33,458
not not that style,

1042
00:22:33,458 --> 00:22:35,750
but like the really cool,

1043
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:36,250
you know,

1044
00:22:36,250 --> 00:22:37,541
we had some really awesome

1045
00:22:37,541 --> 00:22:40,000
fliers, you know,

1046
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:40,958
I used to love that.

1047
00:22:40,958 --> 00:22:41,416
And you ever,

1048
00:22:41,416 --> 00:22:41,666
you know,

1049
00:22:41,666 --> 00:22:43,000
you could do a small screen

1050
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,291
printing run,

1051
00:22:44,291 --> 00:22:44,708
you know,

1052
00:22:44,708 --> 00:22:45,875
where you get a number.

1053
00:22:45,875 --> 00:22:46,333
You know, I'm

1054
00:22:46,333 --> 00:22:47,208
sure that you've got some,

1055
00:22:47,208 --> 00:22:49,583
like, Melvins and Sonic Youth

1056
00:22:49,583 --> 00:22:51,041
screen printed posters

1057
00:22:51,041 --> 00:22:51,458
or something

1058
00:22:51,458 --> 00:22:52,208
that you bought over

1059
00:22:52,208 --> 00:22:53,541
the years.

1060
00:22:53,541 --> 00:22:54,875
Yeah, yeah, I,

1061
00:22:54,875 --> 00:22:56,625
I tend to throw away

1062
00:22:56,625 --> 00:22:58,208
old, old stuff like that.

1063
00:22:58,208 --> 00:22:58,625
And then

1064
00:22:58,625 --> 00:22:59,833
sometimes I regret that,

1065
00:22:59,833 --> 00:23:01,541
but I had like

1066
00:23:01,541 --> 00:23:03,583
I saw Pantera in 96

1067
00:23:03,583 --> 00:23:05,625
and I had a Dimebag pick,

1068
00:23:05,625 --> 00:23:06,375
you know, that said

1069
00:23:06,375 --> 00:23:07,541
Far Beyond Drunk,

1070
00:23:07,541 --> 00:23:09,208
but I lost it, unfortunately.

1071
00:23:09,208 --> 00:23:10,458
So like, oh,

1072
00:23:10,458 --> 00:23:11,875
I tend to lose stuff.

1073
00:23:11,875 --> 00:23:14,250
You see,

1074
00:23:14,250 --> 00:23:15,250
you're the opposite of me.

1075
00:23:15,250 --> 00:23:16,250
I'm a packrat.

1076
00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:17,625
I can't throw anything away.

1077
00:23:17,625 --> 00:23:19,333
I still have a, concert

1078
00:23:19,333 --> 00:23:21,208
stub from seeing Weezer.

1079
00:23:21,208 --> 00:23:22,708
In 1996

1080
00:23:22,708 --> 00:23:24,083
on the Pinkerton tour

1081
00:23:24,083 --> 00:23:25,416
at the Electric Ballroom

1082
00:23:25,416 --> 00:23:26,458
in Tempe, Arizona.

1083
00:23:26,458 --> 00:23:27,583
How can I throw that away?

1084
00:23:27,583 --> 00:23:29,708
Cannot, I don't know, like.

1085
00:23:29,708 --> 00:23:31,041
And, yeah, I'm too,

1086
00:23:32,333 --> 00:23:34,916
I guess I my,

1087
00:23:34,916 --> 00:23:37,041
like, my minimalist,

1088
00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:38,333
lifestyle took over

1089
00:23:38,333 --> 00:23:38,875
for a while,

1090
00:23:38,875 --> 00:23:40,958
and I threw, like,

1091
00:23:40,958 --> 00:23:42,000
I remember throwing

1092
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:42,708
all my CDs

1093
00:23:42,708 --> 00:23:43,541
away, for instance,

1094
00:23:43,541 --> 00:23:44,708
I just thought, like,

1095
00:23:44,708 --> 00:23:45,250
these are going

1096
00:23:45,250 --> 00:23:46,583
to deteriorate.

1097
00:23:46,583 --> 00:23:48,125
Most of them are just

1098
00:23:48,125 --> 00:23:49,333
skipping a track

1099
00:23:49,333 --> 00:23:49,875
here and there,

1100
00:23:49,875 --> 00:23:50,708
and they don't work,

1101
00:23:50,708 --> 00:23:51,958
and they have a limited

1102
00:23:51,958 --> 00:23:53,750
lifespan. Right. So.

1103
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:54,583
Well, well, fuck it.

1104
00:23:54,583 --> 00:23:55,333
I'm just throwing

1105
00:23:55,333 --> 00:23:55,958
in them all away

1106
00:23:55,958 --> 00:23:56,916
and then no more

1107
00:23:56,916 --> 00:23:57,791
hassle with them.

1108
00:23:57,791 --> 00:23:58,666
So I threw away,

1109
00:23:58,666 --> 00:24:00,333
like, 200 CDs.

1110
00:24:00,333 --> 00:24:02,708
Just dumped them all.

1111
00:24:02,708 --> 00:24:03,375
Good riddance.

1112
00:24:03,375 --> 00:24:05,125
I don't need this anymore.

1113
00:24:05,125 --> 00:24:07,041
Yeah, I mean, with the media

1114
00:24:07,041 --> 00:24:07,541
and stuff

1115
00:24:07,541 --> 00:24:08,708
like that with paying

1116
00:24:08,708 --> 00:24:10,416
$10 a month, you know,

1117
00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:11,458
and having literally

1118
00:24:11,458 --> 00:24:12,000
everything

1119
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,916
that you would want,

1120
00:24:12,916 --> 00:24:13,791
you know, you'll own

1121
00:24:13,791 --> 00:24:15,666
nothing and be happy now.

1122
00:24:15,666 --> 00:24:16,833
And really then it comes down

1123
00:24:16,833 --> 00:24:17,916
to the vinyl records

1124
00:24:17,916 --> 00:24:18,458
or the things

1125
00:24:18,458 --> 00:24:19,666
that you really collect,

1126
00:24:19,666 --> 00:24:20,708
you know. Yeah.

1127
00:24:20,708 --> 00:24:22,750
Which is much smaller.

1128
00:24:22,750 --> 00:24:25,125
So I'm trying to be like,

1129
00:24:25,125 --> 00:24:25,958
you can noone, I'm

1130
00:24:25,958 --> 00:24:27,000
trying to throw away

1131
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,791
things that,

1132
00:24:27,791 --> 00:24:28,291
you know what I mean?

1133
00:24:28,291 --> 00:24:29,083
So I went through this

1134
00:24:29,083 --> 00:24:29,958
big cleanse

1135
00:24:29,958 --> 00:24:32,416
like two weeks ago with Anna,

1136
00:24:32,416 --> 00:24:33,750
and I'm like, you know what?

1137
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:34,375
Why do we have

1138
00:24:34,375 --> 00:24:35,916
all these clothes, stuff

1139
00:24:35,916 --> 00:24:37,000
that we never wear?

1140
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,541
So I'm like,

1141
00:24:37,541 --> 00:24:38,500
let's just throw it away.

1142
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:40,000
And I. And I'm like a Taurus.

1143
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,291
So I go crazy.

1144
00:24:41,291 --> 00:24:41,708
I'm like,

1145
00:24:41,708 --> 00:24:42,375
let's throw it away.

1146
00:24:42,375 --> 00:24:43,250
I'm like, throw everything

1147
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:44,083
away, throw everything away.

1148
00:24:44,083 --> 00:24:45,208
And I'm like, you know what?

1149
00:24:45,208 --> 00:24:46,541
I only need

1150
00:24:46,541 --> 00:24:48,000
seven pairs of underwear,

1151
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:48,916
for crying out loud.

1152
00:24:48,916 --> 00:24:49,625
Like, do what?

1153
00:24:49,625 --> 00:24:50,333
Does anyone need

1154
00:24:50,333 --> 00:24:51,708
more than seven pairs

1155
00:24:51,708 --> 00:24:52,958
of boxer shorts.

1156
00:24:52,958 --> 00:24:53,625
So I just threw

1157
00:24:53,625 --> 00:24:54,125
everything out.

1158
00:24:54,125 --> 00:24:54,750
And guess what?

1159
00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:55,041
I don't know

1160
00:24:55,041 --> 00:24:56,125
what the hell happened,

1161
00:24:56,125 --> 00:24:57,208
but I haven't had.

1162
00:24:57,208 --> 00:24:58,083
I haven't worn underwear

1163
00:24:58,083 --> 00:24:59,166
in like the past three days

1164
00:24:59,166 --> 00:25:00,041
because I don't have any on.

1165
00:25:00,041 --> 00:25:00,250
It's like,

1166
00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:00,666
what are you doing?

1167
00:25:00,666 --> 00:25:01,000
I'm like,

1168
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,250
I don't know where the hell

1169
00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:03,666
did all the underwear go?

1170
00:25:06,458 --> 00:25:08,041
That's a true story.

1171
00:25:08,041 --> 00:25:10,625
Seven boxers, the army.

1172
00:25:10,625 --> 00:25:12,833
Yes.

1173
00:25:12,833 --> 00:25:13,416
All right.

1174
00:25:13,416 --> 00:25:14,875
So, so.

1175
00:25:14,875 --> 00:25:16,416
Well, I mean, we have.

1176
00:25:16,416 --> 00:25:18,083
Oh, you talked about

1177
00:25:18,083 --> 00:25:19,208
we saw 96.

1178
00:25:19,208 --> 00:25:20,916
I talk about Pantera 9 to 6.

1179
00:25:20,916 --> 00:25:21,791
I mean, we're

1180
00:25:21,791 --> 00:25:22,958
of a similar age.

1181
00:25:22,958 --> 00:25:23,916
We're old fucks,

1182
00:25:23,916 --> 00:25:25,000
even though we don't admit

1183
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,000
we are. So.

1184
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,666
So I think we have a lot

1185
00:25:27,666 --> 00:25:28,583
of similar,

1186
00:25:28,583 --> 00:25:30,125
like, musical influences

1187
00:25:30,125 --> 00:25:30,666
and stories

1188
00:25:30,666 --> 00:25:32,166
about music and, and,

1189
00:25:32,166 --> 00:25:33,833
what kind of bands we like.

1190
00:25:33,833 --> 00:25:34,000
So.

1191
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:34,583
But you want to get

1192
00:25:34,583 --> 00:25:35,291
into that a bit,

1193
00:25:35,291 --> 00:25:36,666
like what's your favorite,

1194
00:25:36,666 --> 00:25:37,916
your top five

1195
00:25:37,916 --> 00:25:38,833
bands in the world

1196
00:25:38,833 --> 00:25:40,333
or something like that?

1197
00:25:40,333 --> 00:25:40,916
Okay.

1198
00:25:40,916 --> 00:25:42,666
Well, a couple of things.

1199
00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:43,208
And in.

1200
00:25:43,208 --> 00:25:44,458
Yeah, that's great. Right.

1201
00:25:44,458 --> 00:25:45,375
The question is like,

1202
00:25:45,375 --> 00:25:47,125
if you're on a desert island

1203
00:25:47,125 --> 00:25:47,833
and you can only

1204
00:25:47,833 --> 00:25:49,125
have three artists,

1205
00:25:49,125 --> 00:25:49,958
but you get their

1206
00:25:49,958 --> 00:25:53,375
entire catalog right forever,

1207
00:25:53,375 --> 00:25:53,708
that's

1208
00:25:53,708 --> 00:25:54,666
that makes a difference,

1209
00:25:54,666 --> 00:25:54,916
you know,

1210
00:25:54,916 --> 00:25:55,333
and you have a

1211
00:25:55,333 --> 00:25:57,208
limited catalog.

1212
00:25:57,208 --> 00:25:57,666
Okay.

1213
00:25:57,666 --> 00:25:59,250
So, you know, that's great.

1214
00:25:59,250 --> 00:25:59,833
But, you know,

1215
00:25:59,833 --> 00:26:01,625
you growing up,

1216
00:26:01,625 --> 00:26:03,875
you you probably didn't

1217
00:26:03,875 --> 00:26:05,583
have the opportunity

1218
00:26:05,583 --> 00:26:07,916
to see as many touring bands.

1219
00:26:07,916 --> 00:26:08,125
I mean,

1220
00:26:08,125 --> 00:26:08,541
I grew up in

1221
00:26:08,541 --> 00:26:09,833
Phoenix, Arizona,

1222
00:26:09,833 --> 00:26:11,666
so, you know, it wasn't

1223
00:26:11,666 --> 00:26:13,208
the it was still maybe a top

1224
00:26:13,208 --> 00:26:15,000
ten largest city in the US.

1225
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,458
We had concerts, but like,

1226
00:26:16,458 --> 00:26:17,208
did you have

1227
00:26:17,208 --> 00:26:18,250
many opportunities?

1228
00:26:18,250 --> 00:26:19,416
Like, where did you go

1229
00:26:19,416 --> 00:26:20,500
when you wanted to see.

1230
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:20,875
No.

1231
00:26:20,875 --> 00:26:21,916
Like,

1232
00:26:21,916 --> 00:26:23,500
middle of nowhere Sweden.

1233
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:25,041
There was like no, no

1234
00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:26,541
big international acts

1235
00:26:26,541 --> 00:26:27,458
to see if you didn't

1236
00:26:27,458 --> 00:26:28,416
go to Gotham Berg,

1237
00:26:28,416 --> 00:26:29,708
which was like a two hour

1238
00:26:29,708 --> 00:26:30,875
drive away,

1239
00:26:30,875 --> 00:26:33,291
or that

1240
00:26:33,291 --> 00:26:33,791
and there were

1241
00:26:33,791 --> 00:26:35,333
some big concerts there.

1242
00:26:35,333 --> 00:26:36,625
Every once in a while.

1243
00:26:36,625 --> 00:26:37,750
I mean, I saw Pink

1244
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:38,416
Floyd there

1245
00:26:38,416 --> 00:26:40,250
when I was around 20,

1246
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:41,791
so I think that's

1247
00:26:41,791 --> 00:26:42,750
the first big one

1248
00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:43,833
I went to there.

1249
00:26:43,833 --> 00:26:44,791
And then of course,

1250
00:26:44,791 --> 00:26:46,083
there were these,

1251
00:26:46,083 --> 00:26:47,333
summer festivals,

1252
00:26:47,333 --> 00:26:48,750
in Sweden and Denmark

1253
00:26:48,750 --> 00:26:49,875
that you could go to.

1254
00:26:49,875 --> 00:26:51,750
So the Roskilde is the,

1255
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:53,250
the obviously the big one.

1256
00:26:53,250 --> 00:26:54,375
In Denmark,

1257
00:26:54,375 --> 00:26:56,083
the, the other one

1258
00:26:56,083 --> 00:26:56,833
when I grew up

1259
00:26:56,833 --> 00:26:57,916
was called Huddersfield.

1260
00:26:57,916 --> 00:26:59,208
And it's a small town

1261
00:26:59,208 --> 00:27:00,875
as a kind of a legendary

1262
00:27:00,875 --> 00:27:02,166
rock festival

1263
00:27:02,166 --> 00:27:03,666
in the middle of small.

1264
00:27:03,666 --> 00:27:05,375
And I think it's been,

1265
00:27:05,375 --> 00:27:07,041
as a long time ago now.

1266
00:27:07,041 --> 00:27:08,333
Now, now they have the Sweden

1267
00:27:08,333 --> 00:27:09,125
rock festival

1268
00:27:09,125 --> 00:27:11,416
instead or something. But,

1269
00:27:12,666 --> 00:27:14,250
that there was a couple of

1270
00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:14,625
years

1271
00:27:14,625 --> 00:27:16,000
when I enjoyed festivals

1272
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:16,916
and then

1273
00:27:16,916 --> 00:27:17,625
I guess I got

1274
00:27:17,625 --> 00:27:18,875
too old for them

1275
00:27:18,875 --> 00:27:19,833
living in a tent

1276
00:27:19,833 --> 00:27:20,791
and, you know,

1277
00:27:20,791 --> 00:27:22,125
walking in piss all day.

1278
00:27:22,125 --> 00:27:24,916
It's might not be like,

1279
00:27:24,916 --> 00:27:25,958
you get too comfortable

1280
00:27:25,958 --> 00:27:27,875
after what it's like. Guess.

1281
00:27:27,875 --> 00:27:29,208
But but I had a lot of fun

1282
00:27:29,208 --> 00:27:30,583
back then, and my,

1283
00:27:30,583 --> 00:27:32,416
late teens and early 20s,

1284
00:27:32,416 --> 00:27:34,583
seeing a lot of bands.

1285
00:27:34,583 --> 00:27:36,166
Yeah, well, I'm definite.

1286
00:27:36,166 --> 00:27:37,291
I'm definitely curious

1287
00:27:37,291 --> 00:27:38,583
about that pink Floyd show.

1288
00:27:38,583 --> 00:27:38,833
I mean,

1289
00:27:38,833 --> 00:27:39,833
that was a bucket list

1290
00:27:39,833 --> 00:27:41,416
that I, I was never able

1291
00:27:41,416 --> 00:27:43,875
to, to do that one there.

1292
00:27:43,875 --> 00:27:44,541
And, you know,

1293
00:27:44,541 --> 00:27:46,458
Europe always does

1294
00:27:46,458 --> 00:27:47,708
the festivals, right?

1295
00:27:47,708 --> 00:27:49,666
Like, I didn't know

1296
00:27:49,666 --> 00:27:50,666
how Europe did it,

1297
00:27:50,666 --> 00:27:51,333
but that's like,

1298
00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:52,416
that was the word, you know,

1299
00:27:52,416 --> 00:27:53,083
that was what

1300
00:27:53,083 --> 00:27:53,916
we had always heard.

1301
00:27:53,916 --> 00:27:56,166
And I did a European tour,

1302
00:27:56,166 --> 00:27:57,250
with a band.

1303
00:27:57,250 --> 00:27:57,916
And there were

1304
00:27:57,916 --> 00:27:58,916
a few festivals,

1305
00:27:58,916 --> 00:27:59,833
rock and merengue,

1306
00:27:59,833 --> 00:28:01,125
rock and park, these

1307
00:28:01,125 --> 00:28:02,791
sort of like things, though.

1308
00:28:02,791 --> 00:28:03,791
So we went to them

1309
00:28:03,791 --> 00:28:05,166
for the first time.

1310
00:28:05,166 --> 00:28:07,000
And the Europe festival game,

1311
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:07,625
compared to

1312
00:28:07,625 --> 00:28:08,833
what us was doing,

1313
00:28:08,833 --> 00:28:10,750
was like, no comparison.

1314
00:28:10,750 --> 00:28:10,958
No.

1315
00:28:10,958 --> 00:28:12,458
But on the other hand,

1316
00:28:12,458 --> 00:28:13,958
like being a touring band in

1317
00:28:13,958 --> 00:28:15,250
the US must have been better.

1318
00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:16,416
Unlike

1319
00:28:16,416 --> 00:28:17,791
in Europe with the

1320
00:28:17,791 --> 00:28:19,041
we didn't have like

1321
00:28:19,041 --> 00:28:19,958
especially not

1322
00:28:19,958 --> 00:28:20,750
in Scandinavia.

1323
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:21,791
There was no like

1324
00:28:21,791 --> 00:28:23,625
pop band culture,

1325
00:28:23,625 --> 00:28:24,625
like, like that's,

1326
00:28:24,625 --> 00:28:25,833
when I grew up

1327
00:28:25,833 --> 00:28:27,958
that's like very dead.

1328
00:28:27,958 --> 00:28:29,708
That was a very dead scene.

1329
00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:30,458
Like,

1330
00:28:30,458 --> 00:28:31,500
I guess there was a

1331
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:32,500
bigger music scene

1332
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:33,875
in the 60s in Sweden,

1333
00:28:33,875 --> 00:28:34,916
and also maybe

1334
00:28:34,916 --> 00:28:37,041
a bit of revival after,

1335
00:28:37,041 --> 00:28:38,541
after I grew up.

1336
00:28:38,541 --> 00:28:39,375
But when I grew up,

1337
00:28:39,375 --> 00:28:40,583
there's like nothing there.

1338
00:28:40,583 --> 00:28:43,583
It was a very, very did.

1339
00:28:44,083 --> 00:28:47,083
So over the past 50 years,

1340
00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:48,916
what has come out of Sweden?

1341
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:51,333
Well, a lot,

1342
00:28:51,333 --> 00:28:52,250
and, and

1343
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:53,583
there was that like,

1344
00:28:53,583 --> 00:28:54,708
this is to say, they weren't,

1345
00:28:54,708 --> 00:28:56,666
there wasn't a living,

1346
00:28:56,666 --> 00:28:58,083
like, pop music

1347
00:28:58,083 --> 00:28:59,500
scene or music clubs

1348
00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:00,125
or anything that.

1349
00:29:00,125 --> 00:29:00,791
But what there

1350
00:29:00,791 --> 00:29:02,375
was, was, like, underground

1351
00:29:02,375 --> 00:29:04,000
bands and people

1352
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,750
rehearsing

1353
00:29:04,750 --> 00:29:06,000
to become something

1354
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,250
that was all over the place.

1355
00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:07,791
There were,

1356
00:29:07,791 --> 00:29:09,833
trillium bands in Sweden and,

1357
00:29:09,833 --> 00:29:11,708
a very common,

1358
00:29:11,708 --> 00:29:12,958
when I grew up,

1359
00:29:12,958 --> 00:29:14,041
everyone was in a fucking

1360
00:29:14,041 --> 00:29:15,250
band, and we,

1361
00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:16,416
we had our own,

1362
00:29:16,416 --> 00:29:17,333
rehearsal rooms,

1363
00:29:17,333 --> 00:29:18,375
and there was a,

1364
00:29:18,375 --> 00:29:19,416
you know,

1365
00:29:19,416 --> 00:29:20,166
the basement

1366
00:29:20,166 --> 00:29:21,708
of an entire school,

1367
00:29:21,708 --> 00:29:23,958
was full of rehearsal rooms

1368
00:29:23,958 --> 00:29:24,583
for different,

1369
00:29:24,583 --> 00:29:25,833
different bands

1370
00:29:25,833 --> 00:29:27,500
and, a lot of activities

1371
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:27,875
like that.

1372
00:29:27,875 --> 00:29:29,041
Some of it like,

1373
00:29:29,041 --> 00:29:30,250
state

1374
00:29:30,250 --> 00:29:31,750
sponsored or months

1375
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:32,791
of reality sponsored.

1376
00:29:32,791 --> 00:29:33,666
There was a lot of money

1377
00:29:33,666 --> 00:29:35,625
going into culture projects.

1378
00:29:35,625 --> 00:29:36,750
So a lot of tax money

1379
00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:38,125
went into like helping

1380
00:29:38,125 --> 00:29:40,625
these upcoming bands, to,

1381
00:29:40,625 --> 00:29:42,916
to do, to rehearse.

1382
00:29:42,916 --> 00:29:44,000
Most, most of us

1383
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:44,958
never got anywhere,

1384
00:29:44,958 --> 00:29:45,625
of course.

1385
00:29:45,625 --> 00:29:47,458
But but there,

1386
00:29:47,458 --> 00:29:48,208
there has been,

1387
00:29:48,208 --> 00:29:50,125
a lot of like

1388
00:29:50,125 --> 00:29:51,375
Sweden is a big music

1389
00:29:51,375 --> 00:29:54,375
exporter in, comparison to

1390
00:29:54,458 --> 00:29:55,291
many other countries,

1391
00:29:55,291 --> 00:29:56,291
of course, ABBA.

1392
00:29:56,291 --> 00:29:58,166
But, like in the 90s,

1393
00:29:58,166 --> 00:29:59,458
Max Martin,

1394
00:29:59,458 --> 00:30:00,458
produced

1395
00:30:00,458 --> 00:30:01,041
the Britney

1396
00:30:01,041 --> 00:30:02,083
Spears and Backstreet

1397
00:30:02,083 --> 00:30:03,250
Boys and all sorts of,

1398
00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:05,000
you know,

1399
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,250
boy bands and girl bands

1400
00:30:06,250 --> 00:30:07,166
and had a lot of,

1401
00:30:07,166 --> 00:30:10,000
top ten hits everywhere.

1402
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,041
And,

1403
00:30:11,041 --> 00:30:11,916
The Cardigans

1404
00:30:11,916 --> 00:30:13,250
was a big thing for us.

1405
00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:16,250
Yeah, right about that.

1406
00:30:16,416 --> 00:30:17,916
So there have been many,

1407
00:30:17,916 --> 00:30:18,458
nowadays,

1408
00:30:18,458 --> 00:30:20,958
like the bands like ghost

1409
00:30:20,958 --> 00:30:22,125
are pretty big, like.

1410
00:30:22,125 --> 00:30:23,375
And I have

1411
00:30:23,375 --> 00:30:24,666
that there are a lot of like,

1412
00:30:24,666 --> 00:30:25,458
genre band.

1413
00:30:25,458 --> 00:30:26,041
So like,

1414
00:30:26,041 --> 00:30:27,625
the closest big city

1415
00:30:27,625 --> 00:30:29,041
to where I grew up was Gotham

1416
00:30:29,041 --> 00:30:30,041
burg and Gotham burg

1417
00:30:30,041 --> 00:30:31,000
in the late

1418
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,041
90s, early 2000

1419
00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:34,208
had its own sound.

1420
00:30:34,208 --> 00:30:35,333
There was like the Gotham

1421
00:30:35,333 --> 00:30:35,916
burg sound,

1422
00:30:35,916 --> 00:30:36,416
and there were,

1423
00:30:36,416 --> 00:30:40,083
metal bands, In Flames

1424
00:30:40,083 --> 00:30:40,708
and Soil

1425
00:30:40,708 --> 00:30:41,458
Work and,

1426
00:30:41,458 --> 00:30:43,208
Dark Tranquility

1427
00:30:43,208 --> 00:30:45,750
and whatever they called,

1428
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:46,375
that

1429
00:30:46,375 --> 00:30:47,458
that was a whole

1430
00:30:47,458 --> 00:30:48,916
subgenre in itself.

1431
00:30:48,916 --> 00:30:50,541
I never really liked it

1432
00:30:50,541 --> 00:30:51,125
that much,

1433
00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:52,083
but it was definitely

1434
00:30:52,083 --> 00:30:53,083
a thing.

1435
00:30:53,083 --> 00:30:55,541
What I like was a, a band

1436
00:30:55,541 --> 00:30:56,333
that started.

1437
00:30:56,333 --> 00:30:57,375
That's still my favorite band

1438
00:30:57,375 --> 00:30:58,666
to this day, by the way,

1439
00:30:58,666 --> 00:30:59,916
a band from the,

1440
00:30:59,916 --> 00:31:02,000
Norway up north

1441
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,166
in Sweden called Meshuggah.

1442
00:31:04,166 --> 00:31:05,416
It's really complicated,

1443
00:31:05,416 --> 00:31:06,666
like mass metal band

1444
00:31:06,666 --> 00:31:07,291
that has been

1445
00:31:07,291 --> 00:31:08,708
at it since the 90s,

1446
00:31:08,708 --> 00:31:09,458
and they're just

1447
00:31:09,458 --> 00:31:12,333
killer, complicated stuff.

1448
00:31:12,333 --> 00:31:14,166
But but I absolutely love it.

1449
00:31:14,166 --> 00:31:14,416


1450
00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:16,833
And there was a

1451
00:31:16,833 --> 00:31:18,166
bunch of punk bands.

1452
00:31:18,166 --> 00:31:19,500
Refused, for instance,

1453
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:20,916
made a killer record.

1454
00:31:20,916 --> 00:31:22,041
Youth was so hot,

1455
00:31:22,041 --> 00:31:22,958
the shape of punk

1456
00:31:22,958 --> 00:31:23,916
took a come.

1457
00:31:23,916 --> 00:31:25,083
The hell yeah.

1458
00:31:25,083 --> 00:31:25,958
I can't believe that

1459
00:31:25,958 --> 00:31:27,250
we're talking about refuse

1460
00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:27,875
right now.

1461
00:31:27,875 --> 00:31:28,708
That that was

1462
00:31:28,708 --> 00:31:29,708
there was a time

1463
00:31:29,708 --> 00:31:31,875
when that just came out.

1464
00:31:31,875 --> 00:31:32,416
Yeah, I would

1465
00:31:32,416 --> 00:31:34,500
that was a huge deal.

1466
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:35,541
The the hives,

1467
00:31:35,541 --> 00:31:36,666
they're still

1468
00:31:36,666 --> 00:31:38,166
big in the US, right?

1469
00:31:38,166 --> 00:31:40,000
They have yeah.

1470
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,958
I had quite a quite

1471
00:31:40,958 --> 00:31:41,791
an American,

1472
00:31:41,791 --> 00:31:42,208
quite an

1473
00:31:42,208 --> 00:31:43,166
international career,

1474
00:31:43,166 --> 00:31:44,833
especially in the US.

1475
00:31:44,833 --> 00:31:47,375
No, there's a ton of bands.

1476
00:31:47,375 --> 00:31:49,000
I'm only

1477
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,083
mentioning a few here,

1478
00:31:50,083 --> 00:31:52,333
but there's there's so much.

1479
00:31:52,333 --> 00:31:53,500
It's so, you know,

1480
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:55,500
when I think of Sweden

1481
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:57,250
and when I think of that,

1482
00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:59,125
I always think of the metal,

1483
00:31:59,125 --> 00:31:59,375
right?

1484
00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:00,291
I can't help but think of,

1485
00:32:00,291 --> 00:32:01,375
like, the Swedish metal.

1486
00:32:01,375 --> 00:32:02,916
Now, all of those bands

1487
00:32:02,916 --> 00:32:03,833
that you named

1488
00:32:03,833 --> 00:32:06,833
Dark Tranquility in Flames,

1489
00:32:07,125 --> 00:32:09,041
we booked all those bands.

1490
00:32:09,041 --> 00:32:09,666
I think

1491
00:32:09,666 --> 00:32:10,708
every single

1492
00:32:10,708 --> 00:32:11,625
one of those bands,

1493
00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:12,208
when they would come

1494
00:32:12,208 --> 00:32:13,833
to Phoenix, Arizona,

1495
00:32:13,833 --> 00:32:14,166
you know,

1496
00:32:14,166 --> 00:32:15,750
they would play the 300

1497
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:16,958
cap room.

1498
00:32:16,958 --> 00:32:17,250
Okay,

1499
00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:18,750
The haunted was another one.

1500
00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:19,958
Yeah.

1501
00:32:19,958 --> 00:32:21,208
The haunted.

1502
00:32:21,208 --> 00:32:23,291
So, you know,

1503
00:32:23,291 --> 00:32:24,958
I didn't like that music,

1504
00:32:24,958 --> 00:32:26,458
but we booked everything,

1505
00:32:26,458 --> 00:32:27,458
right? We worked.

1506
00:32:27,458 --> 00:32:28,708
We booked the stuff

1507
00:32:28,708 --> 00:32:29,166
you like,

1508
00:32:29,166 --> 00:32:30,250
and then you booked the stuff

1509
00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:31,375
you don't like, right?

1510
00:32:31,375 --> 00:32:32,541
And they would still do,

1511
00:32:32,541 --> 00:32:33,875
you know, 150 people.

1512
00:32:33,875 --> 00:32:35,666
But when I think of Sweden,

1513
00:32:35,666 --> 00:32:37,208
I always think of that

1514
00:32:37,208 --> 00:32:38,333
kind of metal.

1515
00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:39,375
So I just imagine that

1516
00:32:39,375 --> 00:32:40,666
they must have like

1517
00:32:40,666 --> 00:32:42,958
that, that metal culture,

1518
00:32:42,958 --> 00:32:43,666
you know. Yeah.

1519
00:32:43,666 --> 00:32:45,166
You don't have that here.

1520
00:32:45,166 --> 00:32:46,666
You know, you don't go to any

1521
00:32:46,666 --> 00:32:47,833
you know, it's

1522
00:32:47,833 --> 00:32:49,166
no scandal in Scandinavia

1523
00:32:49,166 --> 00:32:50,125
in general.

1524
00:32:50,125 --> 00:32:51,791
It's like very metal dense.

1525
00:32:51,791 --> 00:32:52,875
Like I think Finland

1526
00:32:52,875 --> 00:32:55,083
has the highest metal band

1527
00:32:55,083 --> 00:32:56,375
per capita in the world.

1528
00:32:56,375 --> 00:32:57,250
There's like every

1529
00:32:58,625 --> 00:33:00,291
there's a metal band in every

1530
00:33:00,291 --> 00:33:01,625
basement, basically.

1531
00:33:01,625 --> 00:33:03,083
And don't forget like,

1532
00:33:03,083 --> 00:33:04,541
Sweden had a like

1533
00:33:04,541 --> 00:33:05,833
it wasn't only like,

1534
00:33:05,833 --> 00:33:07,208
harder metal,

1535
00:33:07,208 --> 00:33:09,416
like, in the 80s.

1536
00:33:09,416 --> 00:33:10,750
I grew up with

1537
00:33:10,750 --> 00:33:12,250
the success of Europe

1538
00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:13,958
and Joey Tempest's like the,

1539
00:33:13,958 --> 00:33:15,458
you know, you know,

1540
00:33:15,458 --> 00:33:16,541
the final countdown

1541
00:33:16,541 --> 00:33:19,125
was a big international hits.

1542
00:33:19,125 --> 00:33:20,833
That's a Swedish band, too.

1543
00:33:20,833 --> 00:33:22,625
And, in the in

1544
00:33:22,625 --> 00:33:24,000
their footsteps were bands

1545
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,291
like the Helicopters,

1546
00:33:25,291 --> 00:33:26,583
for instance,

1547
00:33:26,583 --> 00:33:27,833
which had a singer

1548
00:33:27,833 --> 00:33:29,208
that used to play the drums

1549
00:33:29,208 --> 00:33:30,541
and a

1550
00:33:30,541 --> 00:33:32,875
fantastic death metal rock

1551
00:33:32,875 --> 00:33:34,333
band called entombed,

1552
00:33:34,333 --> 00:33:36,875
if you know about them.

1553
00:33:36,875 --> 00:33:37,708
But yeah,

1554
00:33:37,708 --> 00:33:40,708
that's that's a lot there.

1555
00:33:40,750 --> 00:33:43,333
So, I mean,

1556
00:33:43,333 --> 00:33:44,708
I, I'm just really curious

1557
00:33:44,708 --> 00:33:45,125
and we'll have to

1558
00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:45,583
talk about this

1559
00:33:45,583 --> 00:33:46,708
another time, but like,

1560
00:33:46,708 --> 00:33:47,625
did you ever used to listen

1561
00:33:47,625 --> 00:33:49,208
to, like, at the drive in

1562
00:33:49,208 --> 00:33:50,041
or some of those,

1563
00:33:50,041 --> 00:33:53,333
like us, sort of smaller punk

1564
00:33:53,333 --> 00:33:55,208
rock bands on like indie

1565
00:33:55,208 --> 00:33:55,750
labels, like,

1566
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:56,375
were you into like

1567
00:33:56,375 --> 00:33:58,125
the Fat Records? Kind of like

1568
00:33:59,333 --> 00:34:00,500
stuff I,

1569
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:02,083
I, I, I've

1570
00:34:02,083 --> 00:34:03,166
heard at the Drive-In,

1571
00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:04,250
but I would say like,

1572
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:06,458
you have to rewind the clock

1573
00:34:06,458 --> 00:34:07,208
a bit like,

1574
00:34:07,208 --> 00:34:09,000
more like Melvins,

1575
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,416
or like,

1576
00:34:10,416 --> 00:34:11,625
the more frontier acts

1577
00:34:11,625 --> 00:34:12,833
from the grunge scene.

1578
00:34:12,833 --> 00:34:15,583
More more like that kind of,

1579
00:34:15,583 --> 00:34:16,916
stuff,

1580
00:34:16,916 --> 00:34:18,458
in terms of smaller

1581
00:34:18,458 --> 00:34:19,875
American bands.

1582
00:34:19,875 --> 00:34:20,916
So that I like

1583
00:34:20,916 --> 00:34:22,083
I like the lot like,

1584
00:34:22,083 --> 00:34:23,500
I like the grunge bands

1585
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:24,000
a lot.

1586
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,458
I especially a Soundgarden

1587
00:34:25,458 --> 00:34:26,375
and,

1588
00:34:26,375 --> 00:34:27,791
Nirvana and Alice in Chains.

1589
00:34:27,791 --> 00:34:28,041
Like,

1590
00:34:28,041 --> 00:34:29,833
I just loved

1591
00:34:29,833 --> 00:34:31,958
all all three of those bands

1592
00:34:31,958 --> 00:34:34,916
and, and and I like the,

1593
00:34:34,916 --> 00:34:35,375
the thrash

1594
00:34:35,375 --> 00:34:37,083
metal bands too, like,

1595
00:34:37,083 --> 00:34:37,666
I loved

1596
00:34:37,666 --> 00:34:39,041
Metallica and Slayer

1597
00:34:39,041 --> 00:34:40,791
and, Pantera

1598
00:34:40,791 --> 00:34:42,208
and all of that stuff,

1599
00:34:42,208 --> 00:34:44,041
really into that.

1600
00:34:44,041 --> 00:34:45,041
And I still listen to it

1601
00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:45,625
to this day,

1602
00:34:45,625 --> 00:34:46,208
and I'm

1603
00:34:46,208 --> 00:34:47,458
still finding new stuff

1604
00:34:47,458 --> 00:34:48,791
that I haven't heard

1605
00:34:48,791 --> 00:34:50,541
before, like,

1606
00:34:50,541 --> 00:34:51,166
especially in

1607
00:34:51,166 --> 00:34:52,083
the metal genres,

1608
00:34:52,083 --> 00:34:52,625
I guess, like,

1609
00:34:52,625 --> 00:34:55,375
I, I listen to Megadeth a lot

1610
00:34:55,375 --> 00:34:56,416
these days and,

1611
00:34:56,416 --> 00:34:57,375
and Exodus

1612
00:34:57,375 --> 00:34:58,708
and stuff like that.

1613
00:34:58,708 --> 00:34:59,541
I just love it.

1614
00:34:59,541 --> 00:35:01,000
It's,

1615
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,250
still close to my heart.

1616
00:35:03,541 --> 00:35:05,333
Okay, so,

1617
00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:06,500
man, there's so

1618
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:07,208
many things we

1619
00:35:07,208 --> 00:35:07,958
talk about here.

1620
00:35:07,958 --> 00:35:09,458
I mean, okay, but like,

1621
00:35:09,458 --> 00:35:10,416
you know,

1622
00:35:10,416 --> 00:35:11,333
at least for me,

1623
00:35:11,333 --> 00:35:11,916
and I know,

1624
00:35:11,916 --> 00:35:12,875
I know a lot of people

1625
00:35:12,875 --> 00:35:14,833
like your music sort of core.

1626
00:35:14,833 --> 00:35:15,750
Where you start

1627
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:16,583
really comes from,

1628
00:35:16,583 --> 00:35:17,750
like, your father,

1629
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:19,125
you a lot in a lot of ways.

1630
00:35:19,125 --> 00:35:19,291
Like,

1631
00:35:19,291 --> 00:35:20,000
what did you listen

1632
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:20,875
to in the house?

1633
00:35:20,875 --> 00:35:21,708
What did your parents

1634
00:35:21,708 --> 00:35:22,833
listen to?

1635
00:35:22,833 --> 00:35:23,125
You know,

1636
00:35:23,125 --> 00:35:24,000
my dad was like

1637
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,333
the classic rock guy.

1638
00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:25,541
You know,

1639
00:35:25,541 --> 00:35:26,208
we were talking about

1640
00:35:26,208 --> 00:35:27,083
the Beatles earlier

1641
00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:27,625
and how the hell

1642
00:35:27,625 --> 00:35:28,583
they recorded that shit

1643
00:35:28,583 --> 00:35:29,875
with eight tracks.

1644
00:35:29,875 --> 00:35:31,333
But,

1645
00:35:31,333 --> 00:35:32,791
you know, like,

1646
00:35:32,791 --> 00:35:34,416
so you're you're

1647
00:35:34,416 --> 00:35:35,250
parents, like,

1648
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:36,625
what did they listen to

1649
00:35:36,625 --> 00:35:37,541
when you were a kid,

1650
00:35:37,541 --> 00:35:37,916
or did

1651
00:35:37,916 --> 00:35:39,083
they not listen to music

1652
00:35:39,083 --> 00:35:39,708
and you just kind

1653
00:35:39,708 --> 00:35:41,416
of discovered it on your own?

1654
00:35:41,416 --> 00:35:43,041
Oh, I, I grew up with music.

1655
00:35:43,041 --> 00:35:43,666
Definitely.

1656
00:35:43,666 --> 00:35:45,166
And my father played

1657
00:35:45,166 --> 00:35:45,666
the guitar.

1658
00:35:45,666 --> 00:35:46,875
And,

1659
00:35:46,875 --> 00:35:48,458
we have a long history

1660
00:35:48,458 --> 00:35:49,625
of music in my family.

1661
00:35:49,625 --> 00:35:50,500
My my great

1662
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:51,875
great grandfather.

1663
00:35:51,875 --> 00:35:52,666
No, my great

1664
00:35:52,666 --> 00:35:54,208
grandfather's brother

1665
00:35:54,208 --> 00:35:55,625
was a famous opera

1666
00:35:55,625 --> 00:35:58,125
singer, a tenor. What?

1667
00:35:58,125 --> 00:35:59,541
He sang Wagner.

1668
00:36:02,833 --> 00:36:05,000
So, so Wagner operas.

1669
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,041
And, so so so, my parents,

1670
00:36:09,375 --> 00:36:10,583
or especially my father.

1671
00:36:10,583 --> 00:36:11,875
I guess my mother wasn't

1672
00:36:11,875 --> 00:36:13,041
that interested in music,

1673
00:36:13,041 --> 00:36:14,166
but my father had a,

1674
00:36:14,166 --> 00:36:15,791
a huge music interest,

1675
00:36:15,791 --> 00:36:17,125
and he listened to a lot of

1676
00:36:17,125 --> 00:36:18,500
classic music,

1677
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:19,416
classical music,

1678
00:36:19,416 --> 00:36:21,791
and operas and stuff.

1679
00:36:21,791 --> 00:36:25,541
But also, the Beatles and

1680
00:36:25,625 --> 00:36:27,083
and other stuff

1681
00:36:27,083 --> 00:36:28,875
from, from that era.

1682
00:36:28,875 --> 00:36:29,875
So I

1683
00:36:29,875 --> 00:36:32,875
definitely grew up with,

1684
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:33,666
with a lot of

1685
00:36:33,666 --> 00:36:36,250
different music,

1686
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:37,333
maybe not alike.

1687
00:36:37,333 --> 00:36:39,416
I guess my father's interest

1688
00:36:39,416 --> 00:36:41,458
in popular music,

1689
00:36:41,458 --> 00:36:42,375
sort of ended

1690
00:36:42,375 --> 00:36:43,500
when the 60s ended

1691
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:44,500
and he wasn't really

1692
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:45,166
following, like,

1693
00:36:45,166 --> 00:36:46,541
he was never into Zeppelin

1694
00:36:46,541 --> 00:36:47,125
or Sabotage

1695
00:36:47,125 --> 00:36:48,125
or anything like that.

1696
00:36:48,125 --> 00:36:49,083
So I had to discover

1697
00:36:49,083 --> 00:36:50,375
that on my own.

1698
00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:53,500
But that was like the town.

1699
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:54,875
The small town I grew up

1700
00:36:54,875 --> 00:36:57,041
in was a huge music town.

1701
00:36:57,041 --> 00:36:58,000
Like, music

1702
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:58,958
was the thing, like,

1703
00:36:58,958 --> 00:37:00,541
everyone was into,

1704
00:37:00,541 --> 00:37:02,208
or everyone

1705
00:37:02,208 --> 00:37:03,208
I hung out with in my

1706
00:37:03,208 --> 00:37:04,416
teens, like, really

1707
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:07,125
identified with

1708
00:37:07,125 --> 00:37:08,041
whatever music

1709
00:37:08,041 --> 00:37:08,791
they listened to.

1710
00:37:08,791 --> 00:37:09,875
And there was the,

1711
00:37:09,875 --> 00:37:10,875
even earlier than that,

1712
00:37:10,875 --> 00:37:12,000
there was this feud

1713
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,083
between the

1714
00:37:13,083 --> 00:37:17,083
synth, fans and the, heavy

1715
00:37:17,083 --> 00:37:18,500
metal fans, like,

1716
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:19,625
there was a feud

1717
00:37:19,625 --> 00:37:21,666
going on those.

1718
00:37:21,666 --> 00:37:23,458
So, so yeah, that's

1719
00:37:23,458 --> 00:37:24,791
that's my musical background.

1720
00:37:24,791 --> 00:37:26,083
And, I'm like,

1721
00:37:26,083 --> 00:37:26,291
well,

1722
00:37:26,291 --> 00:37:26,708
whatever

1723
00:37:26,708 --> 00:37:27,708
I found in my late

1724
00:37:27,708 --> 00:37:28,500
teens, it's

1725
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:30,375
it's still close to my heart.

1726
00:37:30,375 --> 00:37:31,666
How about you?

1727
00:37:31,666 --> 00:37:32,750
What what bands

1728
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:33,791
did you grow up with?

1729
00:37:33,791 --> 00:37:35,375
What did you listen to

1730
00:37:35,375 --> 00:37:36,250
other than what

1731
00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:36,791
your father

1732
00:37:36,791 --> 00:37:38,458
already listened to?

1733
00:37:38,458 --> 00:37:41,375
I mean, you know what?

1734
00:37:41,375 --> 00:37:42,250
What came out?

1735
00:37:42,250 --> 00:37:42,875
I mean, Weezer

1736
00:37:42,875 --> 00:37:44,083
was big, right?

1737
00:37:44,083 --> 00:37:45,375
When the Blue Album came out,

1738
00:37:45,375 --> 00:37:46,375
that was a big deal.

1739
00:37:46,375 --> 00:37:48,583
Or like Green Day Dookie.

1740
00:37:48,583 --> 00:37:49,500
You know, when Green Day

1741
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:50,375
Dookie came out,

1742
00:37:50,375 --> 00:37:51,583
that was kind of like

1743
00:37:52,625 --> 00:37:54,583
a way to really discover

1744
00:37:54,583 --> 00:37:55,541
another world,

1745
00:37:55,541 --> 00:37:57,416
because I, I really didn't,

1746
00:37:57,416 --> 00:37:58,625
you know, pop punk.

1747
00:37:58,625 --> 00:37:59,500
I don't know where the

1748
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:01,208
the Ramones, pop punk,

1749
00:38:01,208 --> 00:38:02,083
you know, the misfits,

1750
00:38:02,083 --> 00:38:03,666
pop punk. I don't know.

1751
00:38:03,666 --> 00:38:05,875
But you know, that

1752
00:38:05,875 --> 00:38:07,125
that kind of started

1753
00:38:07,125 --> 00:38:09,166
that Green Day.

1754
00:38:09,166 --> 00:38:09,750
I think that

1755
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:10,458
that really did it

1756
00:38:10,458 --> 00:38:11,375
for a lot of people

1757
00:38:11,375 --> 00:38:12,166
around that time,

1758
00:38:12,166 --> 00:38:12,750
because then all of a sudden

1759
00:38:12,750 --> 00:38:13,208
you discover,

1760
00:38:13,208 --> 00:38:14,125
look out records,

1761
00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:14,666
you discover, like,

1762
00:38:14,666 --> 00:38:16,208
what's operation Ivy?

1763
00:38:16,208 --> 00:38:16,958
And then all of a sudden

1764
00:38:16,958 --> 00:38:19,958
you start going in deeper,

1765
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,291
I think in,

1766
00:38:22,291 --> 00:38:24,583
in the circles I was in,

1767
00:38:24,583 --> 00:38:26,291
it was kind of embarrassing

1768
00:38:26,291 --> 00:38:29,583
to like, Green Day or or,

1769
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,833
What was the other band

1770
00:38:31,833 --> 00:38:33,791
you said there?

1771
00:38:33,791 --> 00:38:35,541
But like blink one, 82

1772
00:38:35,541 --> 00:38:37,958
or anything or even Weezer,

1773
00:38:37,958 --> 00:38:39,250
it was kind of like,

1774
00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:40,541
you weren't

1775
00:38:40,541 --> 00:38:41,625
one of the cool kids.

1776
00:38:41,625 --> 00:38:42,166
If you're listen

1777
00:38:42,166 --> 00:38:43,375
to this kind of,

1778
00:38:43,375 --> 00:38:45,208
radio schlock thing,

1779
00:38:45,208 --> 00:38:45,958
you were supposed to be

1780
00:38:45,958 --> 00:38:46,875
more metal,

1781
00:38:46,875 --> 00:38:48,708
more like, with

1782
00:38:48,708 --> 00:38:49,625
a mopey, grown,

1783
00:38:50,833 --> 00:38:52,083
grunge people

1784
00:38:52,083 --> 00:38:52,666
that that

1785
00:38:52,666 --> 00:38:53,750
wanted to kill themselves

1786
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:54,125
and stuff

1787
00:38:54,125 --> 00:38:55,333
that was way cooler

1788
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:56,708
when you were more

1789
00:38:56,708 --> 00:38:57,458
a more deep

1790
00:38:57,458 --> 00:38:58,875
and interesting person,

1791
00:38:58,875 --> 00:39:00,375
if you did, I guess.

1792
00:39:00,375 --> 00:39:01,583
But,

1793
00:39:01,583 --> 00:39:04,041
but like so in hindsight, I,

1794
00:39:04,041 --> 00:39:05,541
I always loved that stuff.

1795
00:39:05,541 --> 00:39:07,625
And Duke is a great album.

1796
00:39:07,625 --> 00:39:07,958
Right.

1797
00:39:07,958 --> 00:39:09,458
And and, the Blue

1798
00:39:09,458 --> 00:39:10,875
Album, the Weezer,

1799
00:39:10,875 --> 00:39:11,250
you know,

1800
00:39:11,250 --> 00:39:12,500
if you want to destroy

1801
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:13,541
my sweater, like,

1802
00:39:13,541 --> 00:39:15,125
grab a string as I walk away.

1803
00:39:15,125 --> 00:39:16,291
It's it's a fucking

1804
00:39:16,291 --> 00:39:17,583
brilliant song.

1805
00:39:17,583 --> 00:39:20,291
I just love Weezer.

1806
00:39:20,291 --> 00:39:22,666
Always have,

1807
00:39:22,666 --> 00:39:24,333
but like that transition

1808
00:39:24,333 --> 00:39:25,166
that gets you away

1809
00:39:25,166 --> 00:39:25,875
from kind of like,

1810
00:39:25,875 --> 00:39:27,375
what your father's listening,

1811
00:39:27,375 --> 00:39:28,083
and you're at that,

1812
00:39:28,083 --> 00:39:29,458
like, point in your life,

1813
00:39:29,458 --> 00:39:30,791
you know, those formidable.

1814
00:39:30,791 --> 00:39:31,333
Like what?

1815
00:39:31,333 --> 00:39:32,916
You know, something like that

1816
00:39:32,916 --> 00:39:33,583
that comes out,

1817
00:39:33,583 --> 00:39:34,625
that gives you the taste

1818
00:39:34,625 --> 00:39:35,875
because then, you know,

1819
00:39:35,875 --> 00:39:37,750
you discover everything else.

1820
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:38,625
That might not be

1821
00:39:38,625 --> 00:39:39,791
the commercial success,

1822
00:39:39,791 --> 00:39:40,000
right?

1823
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:40,625
Somebody who was

1824
00:39:40,625 --> 00:39:41,541
a little later

1825
00:39:41,541 --> 00:39:43,458
when maybe they, you know,

1826
00:39:43,458 --> 00:39:45,041
discovered, no doubt,

1827
00:39:45,041 --> 00:39:45,458
you know,

1828
00:39:45,458 --> 00:39:47,291
actually found real ska,

1829
00:39:47,291 --> 00:39:49,416
you know, and like, you know,

1830
00:39:49,416 --> 00:39:51,375
but like I was 15

1831
00:39:51,375 --> 00:39:52,875
and I had an opportunity

1832
00:39:52,875 --> 00:39:54,500
to work the concessions

1833
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:57,500
booth at Lollapalooza in 96.

1834
00:39:58,375 --> 00:39:59,166
Maybe I was 14.

1835
00:39:59,166 --> 00:40:00,250
So I had never

1836
00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:01,250
really went in.

1837
00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:01,875
I had no idea

1838
00:40:01,875 --> 00:40:02,375
what was going on.

1839
00:40:02,375 --> 00:40:02,875
So I did it,

1840
00:40:02,875 --> 00:40:04,125
and I was working.

1841
00:40:04,125 --> 00:40:05,083
And, you know,

1842
00:40:05,083 --> 00:40:05,833
I took a break

1843
00:40:05,833 --> 00:40:06,833
and I went out

1844
00:40:06,833 --> 00:40:09,833
and like, rancid came on

1845
00:40:10,125 --> 00:40:12,250
and that I had never heard

1846
00:40:12,250 --> 00:40:12,875
of ranch.

1847
00:40:12,875 --> 00:40:13,916
I had no idea what it was.

1848
00:40:13,916 --> 00:40:15,166
And it just, like,

1849
00:40:15,166 --> 00:40:16,625
kicked a hole in my

1850
00:40:17,708 --> 00:40:18,250
soul.

1851
00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:19,750
I was like, what is this?

1852
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:21,625
This is the greatest thing

1853
00:40:21,625 --> 00:40:23,708
I've ever seen.

1854
00:40:23,708 --> 00:40:24,041
Yeah.

1855
00:40:24,041 --> 00:40:25,958
If, speaking of Lollapalooza

1856
00:40:25,958 --> 00:40:27,666
96, I have to ask,

1857
00:40:27,666 --> 00:40:29,416
did you see Primus?

1858
00:40:29,416 --> 00:40:30,041
I think they were

1859
00:40:30,041 --> 00:40:31,833
in the prime back then.

1860
00:40:31,833 --> 00:40:33,250
See, I knew that you were.

1861
00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:34,666
I know that you have to be

1862
00:40:34,666 --> 00:40:35,500
somebody who loves

1863
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:36,541
Primus, but, man,

1864
00:40:36,541 --> 00:40:38,416
I just can't get into it.

1865
00:40:38,416 --> 00:40:39,000
You know?

1866
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,708
I absolutely adore Primus.

1867
00:40:40,708 --> 00:40:41,375
And they were

1868
00:40:41,375 --> 00:40:42,583
in the top Billboard

1869
00:40:42,583 --> 00:40:43,666
top ten

1870
00:40:43,666 --> 00:40:44,875
with an Al album

1871
00:40:44,875 --> 00:40:46,625
called Pork Soda.

1872
00:40:46,625 --> 00:40:47,958
Like, it's.

1873
00:40:47,958 --> 00:40:49,625
No, they're fucking amazing.

1874
00:40:49,625 --> 00:40:50,708
And I just love

1875
00:40:50,708 --> 00:40:52,208
the guy is such a

1876
00:40:52,208 --> 00:40:53,833
such an odd character

1877
00:40:53,833 --> 00:40:55,666
and such an amazing musician.

1878
00:40:55,666 --> 00:40:57,500
I just adore Primus.

1879
00:40:57,500 --> 00:40:59,291
Yeah.

1880
00:40:59,291 --> 00:41:02,125
And everything they've done.

1881
00:41:02,125 --> 00:41:04,125
See where it where a lot of,

1882
00:41:04,125 --> 00:41:05,666
like, the metal heads,

1883
00:41:05,666 --> 00:41:07,291
because I, I'm not,

1884
00:41:07,291 --> 00:41:09,041
like, a death metal person,

1885
00:41:09,041 --> 00:41:09,416
you know,

1886
00:41:09,416 --> 00:41:10,416
but there's always like,

1887
00:41:10,416 --> 00:41:11,500
that middle ground

1888
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:12,625
where you can come together.

1889
00:41:12,625 --> 00:41:14,666
So somebody who loves metal,

1890
00:41:14,666 --> 00:41:15,583
they're a metalhead.

1891
00:41:15,583 --> 00:41:16,125
Like,

1892
00:41:16,125 --> 00:41:17,625
we can both come together

1893
00:41:17,625 --> 00:41:18,625
on Zeppelin,

1894
00:41:18,625 --> 00:41:19,000
you know,

1895
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,458
we can both come together

1896
00:41:20,458 --> 00:41:22,500
on maybe God, you know,

1897
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:23,833
come together like.

1898
00:41:25,375 --> 00:41:26,041
Hello there.

1899
00:41:26,041 --> 00:41:27,208
I'm Kurt Swann home,

1900
00:41:27,208 --> 00:41:27,666
and I'm

1901
00:41:27,666 --> 00:41:28,750
an International village

1902
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1903
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1904
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1905
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1906
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1907
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1908
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1909
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1910
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1911
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1912
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1913
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These are now re-edited,

1914
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1915
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1916
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1917
00:41:47,375 --> 00:41:48,541
I mean look at that.

1918
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Look at how your collection

1919
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,500
could look.

1920
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:52,958
Oh. It's upside down.

1921
00:41:52,958 --> 00:41:54,333
But there they are anyway.

1922
00:41:54,333 --> 00:41:55,375
But more than that,

1923
00:41:55,375 --> 00:41:56,333
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1924
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1925
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1926
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1927
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Also accompanied by a video

1928
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1929
00:42:03,458 --> 00:42:04,625
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1930
00:42:04,625 --> 00:42:06,166
about the ideas in the book.

1931
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Where we answer

1932
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your questions

1933
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1934
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1936
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1937
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1938
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1939
00:42:15,291 --> 00:42:16,500
and talk to us

1940
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every now and then

1941
00:42:17,291 --> 00:42:18,458
and get other perks

1942
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like a free

1943
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set of steak knives.

1944
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So go to the Bitcoin

1945
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1946
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1947
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1948
00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:25,625
I have a

1949
00:42:25,625 --> 00:42:27,041
handful of albums

1950
00:42:27,041 --> 00:42:28,083
in my teens

1951
00:42:28,083 --> 00:42:28,708
that that

1952
00:42:28,708 --> 00:42:30,250
just changed my life.

1953
00:42:30,250 --> 00:42:31,416
And one of them is appetite

1954
00:42:31,416 --> 00:42:32,083
for destruction

1955
00:42:32,083 --> 00:42:32,500
is a which

1956
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:33,583
I still to this day

1957
00:42:33,583 --> 00:42:34,458
think is one of the

1958
00:42:34,458 --> 00:42:35,541
most brilliant albums

1959
00:42:35,541 --> 00:42:35,958
ever made.

1960
00:42:35,958 --> 00:42:37,916
Like it's very hard to top.

1961
00:42:37,916 --> 00:42:39,458
Slash was fucking 18

1962
00:42:39,458 --> 00:42:40,416
when he played

1963
00:42:40,416 --> 00:42:41,375
those guitar licks

1964
00:42:41,375 --> 00:42:42,458
like it's it

1965
00:42:42,458 --> 00:42:43,416
absolutely blows

1966
00:42:43,416 --> 00:42:45,458
my mind that they managed to

1967
00:42:46,541 --> 00:42:48,083
just, you know,

1968
00:42:48,083 --> 00:42:49,416
stay sober enough to

1969
00:42:49,416 --> 00:42:50,083
to record

1970
00:42:50,083 --> 00:42:52,208
that thing for, for,

1971
00:42:52,208 --> 00:42:53,625
for the duration

1972
00:42:53,625 --> 00:42:54,250
of the session.

1973
00:42:54,250 --> 00:42:55,125
It's just

1974
00:42:55,125 --> 00:42:56,416
it's just a brilliant.

1975
00:42:56,416 --> 00:42:57,375
If they were sober,

1976
00:42:57,375 --> 00:42:57,875
I don't care.

1977
00:42:57,875 --> 00:42:58,750
It's a it's,

1978
00:42:58,750 --> 00:42:59,750
it's probably not.

1979
00:42:59,750 --> 00:43:00,541
It's a brilliant,

1980
00:43:00,541 --> 00:43:02,291
debut album

1981
00:43:02,291 --> 00:43:03,291
and never mind,

1982
00:43:03,291 --> 00:43:04,208
of course, came out

1983
00:43:04,208 --> 00:43:05,041
like just a couple

1984
00:43:05,041 --> 00:43:06,666
of years later,

1985
00:43:06,666 --> 00:43:08,250
which was also like

1986
00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:09,250
it changed the game

1987
00:43:09,250 --> 00:43:10,583
completely, like,

1988
00:43:10,583 --> 00:43:11,625
all of a sudden

1989
00:43:11,625 --> 00:43:12,500
no one was listening

1990
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:13,333
to hip hop anymore

1991
00:43:13,333 --> 00:43:13,875
because like

1992
00:43:13,875 --> 00:43:14,625
a couple of years

1993
00:43:14,625 --> 00:43:16,416
before that N.W.A happened,

1994
00:43:16,416 --> 00:43:17,166
then everyone's like,

1995
00:43:17,166 --> 00:43:17,708
what is this

1996
00:43:17,708 --> 00:43:19,291
cool new music genre?

1997
00:43:19,291 --> 00:43:20,500
And then never mind happened

1998
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:22,000
and no one was listening

1999
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,250
to that anymore.

2000
00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:26,250
And

2001
00:43:26,333 --> 00:43:27,583
what's another album?

2002
00:43:27,583 --> 00:43:27,750
Yeah.

2003
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:28,958
For me, Soundgarden

2004
00:43:28,958 --> 00:43:30,875
Super Unknown was like

2005
00:43:30,875 --> 00:43:31,875
next level shit.

2006
00:43:31,875 --> 00:43:33,458
I had never heard anything

2007
00:43:33,458 --> 00:43:34,833
like it was so well-produced

2008
00:43:34,833 --> 00:43:36,041
and so such,

2009
00:43:36,041 --> 00:43:37,666
such simple yet,

2010
00:43:37,666 --> 00:43:38,833
intelligent

2011
00:43:38,833 --> 00:43:39,458
songs,

2012
00:43:39,458 --> 00:43:40,708
often

2013
00:43:40,708 --> 00:43:41,125
in odd

2014
00:43:41,125 --> 00:43:42,583
time signatures and stuff

2015
00:43:42,583 --> 00:43:45,000
and, still very sing along

2016
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,791
and like, that was,

2017
00:43:47,916 --> 00:43:48,875
to me, that's a

2018
00:43:48,875 --> 00:43:50,833
perfect album to like,

2019
00:43:50,833 --> 00:43:51,541
Then of course,

2020
00:43:51,541 --> 00:43:52,083
when I

2021
00:43:52,083 --> 00:43:52,791
discovered Pink

2022
00:43:52,791 --> 00:43:53,375
Floyd and the,

2023
00:43:53,375 --> 00:43:53,833
you know, Dark

2024
00:43:53,833 --> 00:43:55,125
Side of the moon and the wall

2025
00:43:55,125 --> 00:43:55,875
and all of this stuff,

2026
00:43:55,875 --> 00:43:56,625
that was also,

2027
00:43:56,625 --> 00:43:57,375
I remember

2028
00:43:57,375 --> 00:43:58,375
first time I saw the

2029
00:43:58,375 --> 00:43:59,458
The Wall, the

2030
00:43:59,458 --> 00:44:00,583
the movie, The Wall,

2031
00:44:00,583 --> 00:44:03,583
I think it was 16 and,

2032
00:44:05,166 --> 00:44:06,250
I was in France

2033
00:44:06,250 --> 00:44:07,375
at a friend's house

2034
00:44:07,375 --> 00:44:09,333
or a friend,

2035
00:44:09,333 --> 00:44:10,458
what became a friend

2036
00:44:10,458 --> 00:44:11,166
there was my

2037
00:44:11,166 --> 00:44:12,458
my parents were friends

2038
00:44:12,458 --> 00:44:13,333
with his parents,

2039
00:44:13,333 --> 00:44:14,291
and they wanted me

2040
00:44:14,291 --> 00:44:14,916
to see friends.

2041
00:44:14,916 --> 00:44:16,750
For what? So? So.

2042
00:44:16,750 --> 00:44:17,125
And that's

2043
00:44:17,125 --> 00:44:18,041
where I saw the wall.

2044
00:44:18,041 --> 00:44:18,666
And it's like,

2045
00:44:18,666 --> 00:44:21,666
mind blowing to me that,

2046
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:23,208
the music and,

2047
00:44:23,208 --> 00:44:24,833
the way that story was told

2048
00:44:24,833 --> 00:44:26,000
is completely different

2049
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:26,916
from everything else

2050
00:44:26,916 --> 00:44:27,625
I'd seen before.

2051
00:44:27,625 --> 00:44:29,625
It, super depressing,

2052
00:44:29,625 --> 00:44:31,208
but super good, like,

2053
00:44:31,208 --> 00:44:32,666
so, yeah,

2054
00:44:33,791 --> 00:44:34,875
it is depressing.

2055
00:44:34,875 --> 00:44:35,416
It's not an

2056
00:44:35,416 --> 00:44:37,458
uplifting, fun movie.

2057
00:44:37,458 --> 00:44:40,458
But it's so good, though.

2058
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:41,500
You know, when you

2059
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:43,750
if I think about, like,

2060
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:45,041
if you pick people

2061
00:44:45,041 --> 00:44:45,666
that have had

2062
00:44:45,666 --> 00:44:48,125
the most insane, amazing life

2063
00:44:48,125 --> 00:44:48,833
where you could

2064
00:44:48,833 --> 00:44:50,708
if you could just experience

2065
00:44:50,708 --> 00:44:52,375
what they've gone through.

2066
00:44:52,375 --> 00:44:55,750
Axl Rose has to be nuts

2067
00:44:56,083 --> 00:44:56,916
because, you know,

2068
00:44:56,916 --> 00:44:58,208
your priest, sort of.

2069
00:44:58,208 --> 00:44:59,166
All of the world

2070
00:44:59,166 --> 00:44:59,916
that we're living in

2071
00:44:59,916 --> 00:45:01,750
right now. Okay.

2072
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:04,541
And just to be at that level

2073
00:45:04,541 --> 00:45:05,125
of like,

2074
00:45:05,125 --> 00:45:07,333
height and fame in an analog

2075
00:45:07,333 --> 00:45:08,708
sort of world

2076
00:45:08,708 --> 00:45:10,541
right before the cellphones

2077
00:45:10,541 --> 00:45:11,166
and people

2078
00:45:11,166 --> 00:45:12,958
actually had attention spans

2079
00:45:12,958 --> 00:45:14,416
and just the groupies

2080
00:45:14,416 --> 00:45:16,333
and the sheer size of, like,

2081
00:45:16,333 --> 00:45:17,458
the magnitude

2082
00:45:17,458 --> 00:45:20,166
of what they lived like that

2083
00:45:20,166 --> 00:45:21,291
that had been like,

2084
00:45:21,291 --> 00:45:22,416
if you could pop the cassette

2085
00:45:22,416 --> 00:45:23,416
tape in and be like,

2086
00:45:23,416 --> 00:45:25,375
let me try that for a year.

2087
00:45:25,375 --> 00:45:26,083
That had to have

2088
00:45:26,083 --> 00:45:27,416
been just nuts.

2089
00:45:28,416 --> 00:45:28,625
Yeah.

2090
00:45:28,625 --> 00:45:29,708
I think

2091
00:45:29,708 --> 00:45:32,708
both of our lives are are,

2092
00:45:33,791 --> 00:45:34,875
like in comparison

2093
00:45:34,875 --> 00:45:36,208
to your average Joe,

2094
00:45:36,208 --> 00:45:36,958
our lives are

2095
00:45:36,958 --> 00:45:38,000
super interesting.

2096
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,666
And like, life

2097
00:45:39,666 --> 00:45:40,500
after Bitcoin

2098
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:41,708
has given me so much

2099
00:45:41,708 --> 00:45:42,875
that I never expected

2100
00:45:42,875 --> 00:45:43,416
from life.

2101
00:45:43,416 --> 00:45:44,041
And it's yours,

2102
00:45:44,041 --> 00:45:45,083
but it's still pales

2103
00:45:45,083 --> 00:45:45,875
in comparison

2104
00:45:45,875 --> 00:45:47,375
to someone like Axl Rose.

2105
00:45:47,375 --> 00:45:48,250
Of course.

2106
00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:50,708
But but yeah, you know,

2107
00:45:50,708 --> 00:45:51,666
you shouldn't complain.

2108
00:45:51,666 --> 00:45:52,916
I guess.

2109
00:45:52,916 --> 00:45:53,625
Yeah.

2110
00:45:53,625 --> 00:45:54,625
I mean, the level of fame.

2111
00:45:54,625 --> 00:45:55,875
So one time, you know,

2112
00:45:55,875 --> 00:45:57,083
they had this thing on tour,

2113
00:45:57,083 --> 00:45:58,875
they call it a rock doc,

2114
00:45:58,875 --> 00:45:59,250
okay?

2115
00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:00,375
And a rock doc

2116
00:46:00,375 --> 00:46:01,750
is basically a doctor

2117
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:02,916
or a nurse practitioner.

2118
00:46:02,916 --> 00:46:04,833
That's specializes in

2119
00:46:04,833 --> 00:46:06,375
bands or singers,

2120
00:46:06,375 --> 00:46:08,125
or they'll come to the venue.

2121
00:46:08,125 --> 00:46:09,500
So, you know,

2122
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:10,333
we had a singer

2123
00:46:10,333 --> 00:46:11,375
who wasn't feeling well.

2124
00:46:11,375 --> 00:46:12,166
And basically there's

2125
00:46:12,166 --> 00:46:13,125
a shot of like,

2126
00:46:13,125 --> 00:46:14,583
this magic B12

2127
00:46:14,583 --> 00:46:16,125
fix everything in the world

2128
00:46:16,125 --> 00:46:17,416
that's wrong with you.

2129
00:46:17,416 --> 00:46:19,958
And I ordered this rock doc,

2130
00:46:19,958 --> 00:46:21,583
that came to the show

2131
00:46:21,583 --> 00:46:22,333
and, you know,

2132
00:46:22,333 --> 00:46:23,083
gave the singer

2133
00:46:23,083 --> 00:46:24,583
a shot and, you know,

2134
00:46:24,583 --> 00:46:25,708
and I just started

2135
00:46:25,708 --> 00:46:26,500
talking to her,

2136
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:27,458
and she had all these

2137
00:46:27,458 --> 00:46:28,458
stories,

2138
00:46:28,458 --> 00:46:29,708
and she was telling stories

2139
00:46:29,708 --> 00:46:31,416
about Axl Rose

2140
00:46:31,416 --> 00:46:32,375
and how

2141
00:46:32,375 --> 00:46:33,250
he would want

2142
00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:36,791
to get a shot in his throat.

2143
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:39,250
And the shot,

2144
00:46:39,250 --> 00:46:41,291
like a shot of heroin

2145
00:46:41,291 --> 00:46:43,333
in the back of his throat

2146
00:46:43,333 --> 00:46:43,958
that would, like,

2147
00:46:43,958 --> 00:46:45,541
loosen up his, like,

2148
00:46:45,541 --> 00:46:46,958
vocal chords and, like,

2149
00:46:46,958 --> 00:46:48,416
do all this crazy stuff.

2150
00:46:48,416 --> 00:46:49,958
She had insane stories.

2151
00:46:49,958 --> 00:46:50,291
I don't

2152
00:46:50,291 --> 00:46:50,625
I don't know

2153
00:46:50,625 --> 00:46:51,458
if it's true or not,

2154
00:46:51,458 --> 00:46:52,458
but she was telling

2155
00:46:52,458 --> 00:46:53,708
a few of them.

2156
00:46:53,708 --> 00:46:54,333
He's the one

2157
00:46:54,333 --> 00:46:55,833
they call like the feel good.

2158
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:57,791
Yes.

2159
00:46:57,791 --> 00:46:59,666
Yeah. There you go.

2160
00:46:59,666 --> 00:47:04,166
No, I read his biography

2161
00:47:04,166 --> 00:47:05,291
and it's insane.

2162
00:47:05,291 --> 00:47:05,916
Like,

2163
00:47:05,916 --> 00:47:06,458
I don't know how

2164
00:47:06,458 --> 00:47:07,375
much of it is true

2165
00:47:07,375 --> 00:47:09,125
and how much he misremembers,

2166
00:47:09,125 --> 00:47:11,041
but it's absolutely insane.

2167
00:47:11,041 --> 00:47:12,041
I read also, too,

2168
00:47:12,041 --> 00:47:12,958
I think, and,

2169
00:47:12,958 --> 00:47:14,666
Lemmy's

2170
00:47:14,666 --> 00:47:16,000
autobiographies

2171
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,708
and they're all insane, like,

2172
00:47:17,708 --> 00:47:19,500
but especially slash like,

2173
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:20,541
that's just

2174
00:47:20,541 --> 00:47:21,333
the fact that he's

2175
00:47:21,333 --> 00:47:24,333
still alive is just amazing.

2176
00:47:24,583 --> 00:47:27,083
Really slash versus slash

2177
00:47:27,083 --> 00:47:28,708
versus Keith Richards.

2178
00:47:28,708 --> 00:47:30,791
I'm really curious.

2179
00:47:30,791 --> 00:47:31,250
Yeah.

2180
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:32,250
Keith

2181
00:47:32,250 --> 00:47:33,458
Richards is an interesting

2182
00:47:33,458 --> 00:47:34,208
one, too.

2183
00:47:34,208 --> 00:47:35,166
I mean,

2184
00:47:35,166 --> 00:47:37,750
just off his dad's ashes.

2185
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:38,083
Yeah.

2186
00:47:38,083 --> 00:47:39,375
And

2187
00:47:39,375 --> 00:47:40,208
but slash has a

2188
00:47:40,208 --> 00:47:41,750
defibrillator,

2189
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:44,750
in his chest, like, that's,

2190
00:47:45,083 --> 00:47:46,541
that is that,

2191
00:47:46,541 --> 00:47:47,583
I mean, permanently,

2192
00:47:47,583 --> 00:47:48,208
it's it's

2193
00:47:48,208 --> 00:47:50,291
a stationary defibrillator.

2194
00:47:50,291 --> 00:47:52,625
And whenever he's like,

2195
00:47:52,625 --> 00:47:54,750
when he,

2196
00:47:54,750 --> 00:47:55,666
it jolts

2197
00:47:55,666 --> 00:47:57,333
him back to back to life

2198
00:47:57,333 --> 00:47:58,208
every once in a while.

2199
00:47:58,208 --> 00:47:59,208
So the book starts

2200
00:47:59,208 --> 00:47:59,666
with, like,

2201
00:47:59,666 --> 00:48:01,125
is having a concert

2202
00:48:01,125 --> 00:48:02,375
with Velvet Revolver,

2203
00:48:02,375 --> 00:48:02,916
and he's about

2204
00:48:02,916 --> 00:48:03,791
to do the solo,

2205
00:48:03,791 --> 00:48:04,666
and it feels like

2206
00:48:04,666 --> 00:48:05,500
kind of this thing

2207
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:06,541
is about to fall over.

2208
00:48:06,541 --> 00:48:07,625
And then all of a sudden the

2209
00:48:07,625 --> 00:48:09,875
the defibrillator

2210
00:48:09,875 --> 00:48:10,708
starts him up again.

2211
00:48:11,875 --> 00:48:13,666
So

2212
00:48:13,666 --> 00:48:15,500
yeah, like, like

2213
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:18,125
guns N Roses or Nirvana,

2214
00:48:18,125 --> 00:48:18,791
you know, it.

2215
00:48:18,791 --> 00:48:20,041
Just when you look back,

2216
00:48:20,041 --> 00:48:21,500
there's always that period

2217
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:21,958
where there's

2218
00:48:21,958 --> 00:48:24,000
that kind of new sound,

2219
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:24,416
you know,

2220
00:48:24,416 --> 00:48:26,083
that new that new sound,

2221
00:48:26,083 --> 00:48:27,125
because it was like

2222
00:48:27,125 --> 00:48:28,333
you were coming out of this

2223
00:48:28,333 --> 00:48:30,375
like kind of hair metal,

2224
00:48:30,375 --> 00:48:32,541
kind of like 80s metal.

2225
00:48:32,541 --> 00:48:33,458
And then you kind of

2226
00:48:33,458 --> 00:48:36,250
had like, a guns N roses,

2227
00:48:36,250 --> 00:48:37,083
you know what I mean?

2228
00:48:37,083 --> 00:48:38,375
Or like. Yeah.

2229
00:48:38,375 --> 00:48:40,333
You know, the Nirvana,

2230
00:48:40,333 --> 00:48:42,083
like some type of, like, news

2231
00:48:42,083 --> 00:48:42,833
or like a Rage

2232
00:48:42,833 --> 00:48:44,333
Against the Machine,

2233
00:48:44,333 --> 00:48:44,916
you know,

2234
00:48:44,916 --> 00:48:45,916
like a new sound

2235
00:48:45,916 --> 00:48:47,500
at that time, you know?

2236
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:49,791
And I mean,

2237
00:48:49,791 --> 00:48:51,291
where are we at now?

2238
00:48:51,291 --> 00:48:51,791
Do people

2239
00:48:51,791 --> 00:48:53,291
still make music out?

2240
00:48:53,291 --> 00:48:55,416
Is any of it good?

2241
00:48:55,416 --> 00:48:55,875
Are people

2242
00:48:55,875 --> 00:48:57,583
still playing music?

2243
00:48:57,583 --> 00:48:58,000
Yeah.

2244
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,333
I, I think like it's

2245
00:49:01,916 --> 00:49:03,250
there are probably bands

2246
00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:04,625
that are as good

2247
00:49:04,625 --> 00:49:06,750
or even better than them.

2248
00:49:06,750 --> 00:49:08,500
What we grow up with,

2249
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:10,083
all around the world,

2250
00:49:10,083 --> 00:49:11,083
it's just that it doesn't

2251
00:49:11,083 --> 00:49:12,250
get as much attention

2252
00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:13,291
because it's not as

2253
00:49:13,291 --> 00:49:14,500
culturally relevant

2254
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:16,291
as it was before

2255
00:49:16,291 --> 00:49:18,208
pre-Internet era,

2256
00:49:18,208 --> 00:49:19,791
because now the magic

2257
00:49:19,791 --> 00:49:21,083
is sort of gone with

2258
00:49:22,041 --> 00:49:23,625
with celebrity and

2259
00:49:23,625 --> 00:49:24,791
in general,

2260
00:49:24,791 --> 00:49:26,916
like there aren't any perks

2261
00:49:26,916 --> 00:49:28,625
to being famous anymore.

2262
00:49:28,625 --> 00:49:29,708
Like, in the same way

2263
00:49:29,708 --> 00:49:31,000
it's, it

2264
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,250
there used to be like.

2265
00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:33,666
And you didn't.

2266
00:49:33,666 --> 00:49:34,583
We don't put

2267
00:49:34,583 --> 00:49:36,125
people on pedestals as,

2268
00:49:36,125 --> 00:49:39,250
like the movie heroes and the

2269
00:49:39,250 --> 00:49:40,208
the rock

2270
00:49:40,208 --> 00:49:42,000
and pop heroes of the

2271
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:42,791
of the 80s.

2272
00:49:42,791 --> 00:49:43,875
I think the 80s

2273
00:49:43,875 --> 00:49:44,833
was sort of the peak

2274
00:49:44,833 --> 00:49:46,000
or early 90s

2275
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,125
where, where you had

2276
00:49:47,125 --> 00:49:47,625
phenomena

2277
00:49:47,625 --> 00:49:48,583
like Michael Jackson

2278
00:49:48,583 --> 00:49:50,291
and Madonna and Axl Rose

2279
00:49:50,291 --> 00:49:51,291
and people like that

2280
00:49:51,291 --> 00:49:52,000
who, like,

2281
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,125
were beyond famous.

2282
00:49:54,125 --> 00:49:56,000
They're like, next level.

2283
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,458
I don't think

2284
00:49:56,458 --> 00:49:58,125
we'll ever see people

2285
00:49:58,125 --> 00:49:59,416
of that magnitude,

2286
00:49:59,416 --> 00:50:00,791
of fame again,

2287
00:50:00,791 --> 00:50:02,125
like the Kardashians

2288
00:50:02,125 --> 00:50:03,250
can try and Lady

2289
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:04,125
Gaga can try,

2290
00:50:04,125 --> 00:50:05,166
but she's no Madonna

2291
00:50:05,166 --> 00:50:06,375
and she's no Michael Jackson.

2292
00:50:06,375 --> 00:50:07,333
Like,

2293
00:50:07,333 --> 00:50:08,166
the that's

2294
00:50:08,166 --> 00:50:08,916
there's just a

2295
00:50:08,916 --> 00:50:10,875
different level there.

2296
00:50:10,875 --> 00:50:13,541
And that's excellent talent,

2297
00:50:13,541 --> 00:50:14,333
you know what I mean?

2298
00:50:14,333 --> 00:50:16,125
But it's also talent.

2299
00:50:16,125 --> 00:50:16,708
Yeah.

2300
00:50:16,708 --> 00:50:17,833
Like a Kardashians

2301
00:50:17,833 --> 00:50:18,833
or a level of fame.

2302
00:50:18,833 --> 00:50:19,791
No, not right now.

2303
00:50:19,791 --> 00:50:20,666
It's a it's more

2304
00:50:20,666 --> 00:50:22,708
the talent is not the music.

2305
00:50:22,708 --> 00:50:23,666
The talent is,

2306
00:50:23,666 --> 00:50:25,041
managing

2307
00:50:25,041 --> 00:50:26,375
your social media accounts

2308
00:50:26,375 --> 00:50:28,125
like it's a different type of

2309
00:50:28,125 --> 00:50:29,916
talent, but it's it's not as

2310
00:50:31,250 --> 00:50:31,833
as pure.

2311
00:50:31,833 --> 00:50:32,875
It is as it used to be.

2312
00:50:32,875 --> 00:50:34,458
And there's an argument for,

2313
00:50:34,458 --> 00:50:35,375
like, going back

2314
00:50:35,375 --> 00:50:36,375
even further than that

2315
00:50:36,375 --> 00:50:36,875
and saying that

2316
00:50:36,875 --> 00:50:38,208
before the music video

2317
00:50:38,208 --> 00:50:38,750
that like,

2318
00:50:38,750 --> 00:50:40,333
real musicianship was,

2319
00:50:40,333 --> 00:50:42,166
was, rewarded

2320
00:50:42,166 --> 00:50:42,750
and not just

2321
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:44,291
how you looked like

2322
00:50:44,291 --> 00:50:45,875
hair metal was a product

2323
00:50:45,875 --> 00:50:47,166
of the music video

2324
00:50:47,166 --> 00:50:48,250
being the

2325
00:50:48,250 --> 00:50:49,125
selling thing

2326
00:50:49,125 --> 00:50:50,583
and not the actual music,

2327
00:50:50,583 --> 00:50:51,750
I guess.

2328
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:54,750
So,

2329
00:50:55,875 --> 00:50:57,041
what are your thoughts?

2330
00:50:57,041 --> 00:50:57,791
I mean,

2331
00:50:57,791 --> 00:50:58,750
the last time

2332
00:50:58,750 --> 00:50:59,666
that something

2333
00:50:59,666 --> 00:51:00,708
you heard something

2334
00:51:00,708 --> 00:51:01,333
and it was

2335
00:51:01,333 --> 00:51:02,541
and it was truly good.

2336
00:51:02,541 --> 00:51:04,416
And maybe there are fantasy

2337
00:51:04,416 --> 00:51:06,250
stick bands out there,

2338
00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:06,708
you know,

2339
00:51:06,708 --> 00:51:08,041
and every once in a while,

2340
00:51:08,041 --> 00:51:10,125
even in the past.

2341
00:51:10,125 --> 00:51:10,750
Well, okay,

2342
00:51:10,750 --> 00:51:11,708
so you look at

2343
00:51:11,708 --> 00:51:12,125
how much

2344
00:51:12,125 --> 00:51:13,750
amazing music happened

2345
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:15,416
in the 40 years

2346
00:51:15,416 --> 00:51:18,791
of, you know, 1962,

2347
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,333
you know, 1969.

2348
00:51:22,333 --> 00:51:23,208
Yeah, or whatever.

2349
00:51:23,208 --> 00:51:24,041
And then you look at

2350
00:51:24,041 --> 00:51:25,083
what's happened from

2351
00:51:25,083 --> 00:51:28,375
then to now and, you know,

2352
00:51:28,833 --> 00:51:29,458
it's not that

2353
00:51:29,458 --> 00:51:31,000
we're living under a rock,

2354
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:31,791
you know, you

2355
00:51:31,791 --> 00:51:34,958
if there was a modern day,

2356
00:51:34,958 --> 00:51:36,208
Michael Jackson

2357
00:51:36,208 --> 00:51:38,333
or a modern day,

2358
00:51:38,333 --> 00:51:39,375
you know, U2

2359
00:51:39,375 --> 00:51:40,750
even or whatever,

2360
00:51:40,750 --> 00:51:42,583
it just doesn't seem like it

2361
00:51:42,583 --> 00:51:43,625
and like, you know,

2362
00:51:43,625 --> 00:51:45,041
like I loved the last Daft

2363
00:51:45,041 --> 00:51:46,125
Punk album, like,

2364
00:51:46,125 --> 00:51:47,166
if you know what I mean.

2365
00:51:47,166 --> 00:51:49,000
I think it came out in 2013.

2366
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,833
Random access memories,

2367
00:51:50,833 --> 00:51:51,333
you know? Yeah.

2368
00:51:51,333 --> 00:51:52,166
So this is like

2369
00:51:52,166 --> 00:51:54,000
still like really solid

2370
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:54,958
good music,

2371
00:51:54,958 --> 00:51:55,291
you know,

2372
00:51:55,291 --> 00:51:55,708
and it like,

2373
00:51:55,708 --> 00:51:57,583
finds its way in,

2374
00:51:57,583 --> 00:51:59,125
you know, or like,

2375
00:51:59,125 --> 00:52:00,708
I just can't think of,

2376
00:52:00,708 --> 00:52:02,875
like the last, like, amazing.

2377
00:52:02,875 --> 00:52:03,458
I mean, you're talking

2378
00:52:03,458 --> 00:52:04,333
like Dark Side of the moon.

2379
00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:05,375
Like, there isn't a bad

2380
00:52:06,375 --> 00:52:07,833
song on.

2381
00:52:07,833 --> 00:52:08,500
And any of

2382
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:09,500
you know, this is a bad

2383
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:11,166
microsecond on it.

2384
00:52:11,166 --> 00:52:12,666
Yeah, exactly.

2385
00:52:12,666 --> 00:52:14,541
Even when there's nothing.

2386
00:52:14,541 --> 00:52:15,833
Yeah, but, like,

2387
00:52:15,833 --> 00:52:17,750
you know what

2388
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:18,916
is it a cycle?

2389
00:52:18,916 --> 00:52:19,250
Is it

2390
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:20,333
because everything is

2391
00:52:20,333 --> 00:52:22,416
so technology driven?

2392
00:52:22,416 --> 00:52:23,083
You know what I mean?

2393
00:52:23,083 --> 00:52:24,750
Like when you're forced to

2394
00:52:24,750 --> 00:52:26,250
or like a White Stripes,

2395
00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:26,708
you know, I mean,

2396
00:52:26,708 --> 00:52:27,500
when a white Stripes

2397
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:28,250
came on the scene,

2398
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:28,750
you know, it's like a

2399
00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:30,125
two piece, you know.

2400
00:52:30,125 --> 00:52:31,625
Yeah, I love it. Yeah.

2401
00:52:31,625 --> 00:52:32,625
And that was never

2402
00:52:32,625 --> 00:52:33,458
about perfection.

2403
00:52:33,458 --> 00:52:35,708
It was about like, purity.

2404
00:52:35,708 --> 00:52:36,375
And,

2405
00:52:36,375 --> 00:52:37,583
that's why people loved it.

2406
00:52:37,583 --> 00:52:38,458
I guess.

2407
00:52:38,458 --> 00:52:38,958
And that, like,

2408
00:52:38,958 --> 00:52:39,916
he deliberately.

2409
00:52:39,916 --> 00:52:40,416
Jack white

2410
00:52:40,416 --> 00:52:42,208
deliberately limited himself

2411
00:52:42,208 --> 00:52:43,125
to like, okay, I'm

2412
00:52:43,125 --> 00:52:44,458
going to play the guitar.

2413
00:52:44,458 --> 00:52:45,541
I'm the keyboards

2414
00:52:45,541 --> 00:52:46,875
at the same time, like,

2415
00:52:46,875 --> 00:52:48,041
I have to.

2416
00:52:48,041 --> 00:52:49,541
And it's going to be hard.

2417
00:52:49,541 --> 00:52:50,041
I'm not going to

2418
00:52:50,041 --> 00:52:51,208
have even five

2419
00:52:51,208 --> 00:52:52,458
picks at the mic.

2420
00:52:52,458 --> 00:52:53,500
Then I'm going to have one.

2421
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:54,916
And if I lose it, I'm fucked.

2422
00:52:54,916 --> 00:52:55,500
Like so.

2423
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:56,375
Like he

2424
00:52:56,375 --> 00:52:57,041
he was all about

2425
00:52:57,041 --> 00:52:58,541
limiting himself

2426
00:52:58,541 --> 00:52:59,250
and I'm not going to have

2427
00:52:59,250 --> 00:53:00,041
a fancy drummer.

2428
00:53:00,041 --> 00:53:01,625
I'm going to have this

2429
00:53:01,625 --> 00:53:02,666
make character

2430
00:53:02,666 --> 00:53:03,416
who can

2431
00:53:03,416 --> 00:53:04,666
barely play drums,

2432
00:53:04,666 --> 00:53:05,833
but it's fucking perfect

2433
00:53:05,833 --> 00:53:06,791
for the for the thing.

2434
00:53:06,791 --> 00:53:08,125
So that's

2435
00:53:08,125 --> 00:53:09,333
it's an artistic choice.

2436
00:53:09,333 --> 00:53:09,666
I guess,

2437
00:53:09,666 --> 00:53:11,166
to limit yourselves and,

2438
00:53:11,166 --> 00:53:12,791
and I can identify with that.

2439
00:53:12,791 --> 00:53:14,291
Like if you're doing anything

2440
00:53:14,291 --> 00:53:15,041
creatively,

2441
00:53:15,041 --> 00:53:16,541
I think you have to

2442
00:53:16,541 --> 00:53:18,458
set boundaries for yourself.

2443
00:53:18,458 --> 00:53:19,333
Otherwise,

2444
00:53:19,333 --> 00:53:20,250
like you can drown

2445
00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:22,250
in the options you have.

2446
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:24,000
And that's what's so it's

2447
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:24,791
what's so amazing

2448
00:53:24,791 --> 00:53:26,166
about the computer era, it's

2449
00:53:26,166 --> 00:53:26,666
that you have

2450
00:53:26,666 --> 00:53:27,791
all these options and like,

2451
00:53:27,791 --> 00:53:28,541
you can do anything

2452
00:53:28,541 --> 00:53:29,125
with your life,

2453
00:53:29,125 --> 00:53:30,166
but it's also what

2454
00:53:30,166 --> 00:53:31,750
what makes us

2455
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:32,708
we're not forced

2456
00:53:32,708 --> 00:53:35,291
to pick one thing anymore.

2457
00:53:35,291 --> 00:53:35,666
So.

2458
00:53:35,666 --> 00:53:37,000
So therefore,

2459
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,333
no one gets super

2460
00:53:38,333 --> 00:53:39,458
good at this one thing

2461
00:53:39,458 --> 00:53:40,416
because they can always

2462
00:53:40,416 --> 00:53:40,791
choose to.

2463
00:53:40,791 --> 00:53:41,708
Now I'm bored with this.

2464
00:53:41,708 --> 00:53:43,125
I can go do this instead.

2465
00:53:43,125 --> 00:53:46,125
Like we're not, What?

2466
00:53:46,208 --> 00:53:46,750
When you didn't

2467
00:53:46,750 --> 00:53:47,416
have a computer,

2468
00:53:47,416 --> 00:53:48,583
you're forced to to,

2469
00:53:49,916 --> 00:53:51,333
And you had A.D.D..

2470
00:53:51,333 --> 00:53:51,583
You were

2471
00:53:51,583 --> 00:53:52,416
forced to practice

2472
00:53:52,416 --> 00:53:53,291
your guitar playing

2473
00:53:53,291 --> 00:53:54,041
every day, like,

2474
00:53:54,041 --> 00:53:54,833
for ten hours.

2475
00:53:54,833 --> 00:53:56,166
You weren't in the same way.

2476
00:53:56,166 --> 00:53:57,458
You're bored.

2477
00:53:57,458 --> 00:53:59,708
The same way you were before.

2478
00:53:59,708 --> 00:54:01,791
Before the internet.

2479
00:54:01,791 --> 00:54:02,458
And I think

2480
00:54:02,458 --> 00:54:03,416
a lot of creativity

2481
00:54:03,416 --> 00:54:04,583
is born out of boredom.

2482
00:54:04,583 --> 00:54:07,583
Like,

2483
00:54:08,166 --> 00:54:08,875
Yeah.

2484
00:54:08,875 --> 00:54:10,333
The difference

2485
00:54:10,333 --> 00:54:12,375
in between having the ability

2486
00:54:12,375 --> 00:54:14,041
to do everything

2487
00:54:14,041 --> 00:54:16,583
and being forced to,

2488
00:54:16,583 --> 00:54:20,291
with limited resources.

2489
00:54:20,833 --> 00:54:22,291
It's a weird place

2490
00:54:22,291 --> 00:54:23,625
that we're at right now.

2491
00:54:23,625 --> 00:54:24,666
Just it

2492
00:54:24,666 --> 00:54:26,208
it's humanity in anything

2493
00:54:26,208 --> 00:54:26,625
like I

2494
00:54:26,625 --> 00:54:27,583
no longer need

2495
00:54:27,583 --> 00:54:28,416
to know

2496
00:54:28,416 --> 00:54:30,750
anything about where I live

2497
00:54:30,750 --> 00:54:32,000
and like my brain

2498
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:32,958
because I can follow

2499
00:54:32,958 --> 00:54:34,958
the blue line in my car,

2500
00:54:34,958 --> 00:54:35,500
you know what I mean?

2501
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:36,666
It'll just tell me where

2502
00:54:36,666 --> 00:54:37,333
I'm going.

2503
00:54:37,333 --> 00:54:37,875
You know what I mean?

2504
00:54:37,875 --> 00:54:39,500
It doesn't like breed,

2505
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:40,958
intelligence.

2506
00:54:40,958 --> 00:54:41,416
And it's probably

2507
00:54:41,416 --> 00:54:42,666
not even good for,

2508
00:54:42,666 --> 00:54:43,000
you know,

2509
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,916
as a just as an exercise

2510
00:54:44,916 --> 00:54:45,583
like that,

2511
00:54:45,583 --> 00:54:46,958
that White Stripes album.

2512
00:54:46,958 --> 00:54:47,416
And, you know,

2513
00:54:47,416 --> 00:54:48,333
the big story was it?

2514
00:54:48,333 --> 00:54:50,916
I think the only page $16,000

2515
00:54:50,916 --> 00:54:51,958
to record that entire

2516
00:54:51,958 --> 00:54:52,666
first album, like,

2517
00:54:52,666 --> 00:54:54,666
they didn't spend much money,

2518
00:54:54,666 --> 00:54:55,000
you know,

2519
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:55,625
and then you look

2520
00:54:55,625 --> 00:54:57,041
at projects like,

2521
00:54:57,041 --> 00:54:57,791
you know, whatever,

2522
00:54:57,791 --> 00:54:58,625
Axl Rose's

2523
00:54:58,625 --> 00:54:59,833
Chinese Democracy,

2524
00:54:59,833 --> 00:55:01,333
it takes 30 years

2525
00:55:01,333 --> 00:55:01,875
and all this money

2526
00:55:01,875 --> 00:55:03,583
and it's terrible, you know?

2527
00:55:03,583 --> 00:55:04,458
And it's like when you

2528
00:55:04,458 --> 00:55:05,375
when you come out

2529
00:55:05,375 --> 00:55:06,833
with something that's,

2530
00:55:06,833 --> 00:55:07,875
you know,

2531
00:55:07,875 --> 00:55:09,916
the way more time has passed

2532
00:55:09,916 --> 00:55:11,291
since that came out

2533
00:55:11,291 --> 00:55:11,916
than did

2534
00:55:11,916 --> 00:55:13,125
between that,

2535
00:55:13,125 --> 00:55:14,708
that and the the

2536
00:55:14,708 --> 00:55:15,666
the previous guns

2537
00:55:15,666 --> 00:55:16,958
album, by the way,

2538
00:55:16,958 --> 00:55:18,416
which is interesting

2539
00:55:18,416 --> 00:55:19,708
about time like,

2540
00:55:22,625 --> 00:55:24,500
it's just.

2541
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:25,166
Yeah, the thing

2542
00:55:25,166 --> 00:55:26,083
is but you can,

2543
00:55:26,083 --> 00:55:26,750
you can be an

2544
00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:27,791
old man about it

2545
00:55:27,791 --> 00:55:29,500
and start yelling at clouds,

2546
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:30,291
you know, and

2547
00:55:30,291 --> 00:55:31,166
say that everything

2548
00:55:31,166 --> 00:55:31,875
was better,

2549
00:55:31,875 --> 00:55:33,375
in back in my day.

2550
00:55:33,375 --> 00:55:34,583
But I don't think

2551
00:55:34,583 --> 00:55:35,708
that's very productive.

2552
00:55:35,708 --> 00:55:36,708
You have to, like, roll

2553
00:55:36,708 --> 00:55:38,208
with the times and adapt.

2554
00:55:38,208 --> 00:55:39,666
Sometimes

2555
00:55:39,666 --> 00:55:41,333
it can be fun to be nostalgic

2556
00:55:41,333 --> 00:55:42,375
and look back at stuff,

2557
00:55:42,375 --> 00:55:43,958
and you can appreciate stuff

2558
00:55:43,958 --> 00:55:44,875
from other eras.

2559
00:55:44,875 --> 00:55:46,458
Of course, but.

2560
00:55:46,458 --> 00:55:48,416
But I don't think it's very,

2561
00:55:48,416 --> 00:55:50,833
a very productive or useful,

2562
00:55:50,833 --> 00:55:51,708
way to,

2563
00:55:51,708 --> 00:55:52,375
to spend

2564
00:55:52,375 --> 00:55:55,375
your days just wishing that

2565
00:55:55,416 --> 00:55:56,583
wishing the internet

2566
00:55:56,583 --> 00:55:58,500
away like that.

2567
00:55:58,500 --> 00:55:59,500
I think the,

2568
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:01,583
the upsides clearly,

2569
00:56:01,583 --> 00:56:03,833
outweigh the downsides.

2570
00:56:03,833 --> 00:56:04,333
We wouldn't

2571
00:56:04,333 --> 00:56:04,958
be able to have

2572
00:56:04,958 --> 00:56:05,708
this conversation

2573
00:56:05,708 --> 00:56:06,750
if they didn't write,

2574
00:56:06,750 --> 00:56:07,541
you know.

2575
00:56:07,541 --> 00:56:08,291
Oh, for sure.

2576
00:56:08,291 --> 00:56:08,875
And you don't want

2577
00:56:08,875 --> 00:56:10,000
to wish it away,

2578
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,083
because there's,

2579
00:56:11,083 --> 00:56:12,583
like, endless good

2580
00:56:12,583 --> 00:56:14,291
also on the other side of it.

2581
00:56:14,291 --> 00:56:16,750
Right. Yeah.

2582
00:56:16,750 --> 00:56:19,750
So Comodo like, we we we,

2583
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:21,708
we are perfect examples of,

2584
00:56:21,708 --> 00:56:22,875
you know,

2585
00:56:22,875 --> 00:56:23,708
so

2586
00:56:23,708 --> 00:56:25,458
I'm a semi crappy musician,

2587
00:56:25,458 --> 00:56:27,791
but I'm now, able

2588
00:56:27,791 --> 00:56:28,916
to travel the world

2589
00:56:28,916 --> 00:56:31,333
and play music for people

2590
00:56:31,333 --> 00:56:32,166
who like it

2591
00:56:32,166 --> 00:56:35,583
for some odd reason, without

2592
00:56:35,583 --> 00:56:37,416
without becoming a big

2593
00:56:37,416 --> 00:56:39,083
rock star before, like,

2594
00:56:39,083 --> 00:56:39,416
we could.

2595
00:56:39,416 --> 00:56:41,208
I can still it's like,

2596
00:56:41,208 --> 00:56:42,541
do the thing.

2597
00:56:42,541 --> 00:56:43,916
I do other things as well

2598
00:56:43,916 --> 00:56:45,708
and give talks at conferences

2599
00:56:45,708 --> 00:56:46,958
and sell books and stuff

2600
00:56:46,958 --> 00:56:47,833
and,

2601
00:56:47,833 --> 00:56:49,083
do this part

2602
00:56:49,083 --> 00:56:51,041
and managed to make a living

2603
00:56:51,041 --> 00:56:52,166
doing all those

2604
00:56:52,166 --> 00:56:53,458
all sorts of

2605
00:56:53,458 --> 00:56:54,916
things like these

2606
00:56:54,916 --> 00:56:57,250
and like the, the,

2607
00:56:57,250 --> 00:56:58,375
the whole rocket motor

2608
00:56:58,375 --> 00:56:59,791
thing is just a cherry on top

2609
00:56:59,791 --> 00:57:00,416
and it's, it's,

2610
00:57:00,416 --> 00:57:01,333
it's brilliant.

2611
00:57:01,333 --> 00:57:02,958
Like,

2612
00:57:02,958 --> 00:57:05,000
who knew like,

2613
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:05,833
I just find it

2614
00:57:05,833 --> 00:57:06,666
so fascinating.

2615
00:57:07,833 --> 00:57:08,708
Yeah.

2616
00:57:08,708 --> 00:57:11,375
Well, you know,

2617
00:57:11,375 --> 00:57:12,375
I really do hope

2618
00:57:12,375 --> 00:57:13,333
that it evolves

2619
00:57:13,333 --> 00:57:14,583
and it continues,

2620
00:57:14,583 --> 00:57:16,000
you know, to get better.

2621
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,333
And I have to tell you

2622
00:57:17,333 --> 00:57:17,708
that, like,

2623
00:57:17,708 --> 00:57:18,458
when you

2624
00:57:18,458 --> 00:57:20,833
like my entire life, can.

2625
00:57:20,833 --> 00:57:23,833
I mean, for, like,

2626
00:57:23,916 --> 00:57:26,291
I lived in a venue,

2627
00:57:26,291 --> 00:57:27,291
I lived there,

2628
00:57:27,291 --> 00:57:29,416
I lived in that place

2629
00:57:29,416 --> 00:57:31,458
with every possible scale of.

2630
00:57:31,458 --> 00:57:32,291
We're loading in

2631
00:57:32,291 --> 00:57:33,875
at 9:00 in the morning,

2632
00:57:33,875 --> 00:57:35,291
and they have two semis

2633
00:57:35,291 --> 00:57:37,000
in the whole production.

2634
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,041
And every person

2635
00:57:38,041 --> 00:57:39,500
that's on that tour

2636
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:41,375
and every part of that day

2637
00:57:41,375 --> 00:57:43,333
that goes into

2638
00:57:43,333 --> 00:57:45,458
that whole process, right

2639
00:57:45,458 --> 00:57:45,666
there are

2640
00:57:45,666 --> 00:57:47,041
so there's so much

2641
00:57:47,041 --> 00:57:48,333
that goes into

2642
00:57:48,333 --> 00:57:49,666
building that day to where

2643
00:57:49,666 --> 00:57:50,500
when you walk in

2644
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:51,041
with your ticket

2645
00:57:51,041 --> 00:57:51,708
stub and like,

2646
00:57:51,708 --> 00:57:53,708
all of that shit is there,

2647
00:57:53,708 --> 00:57:54,000
you know,

2648
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:54,666
not just for our

2649
00:57:54,666 --> 00:57:55,416
little fun thing,

2650
00:57:55,416 --> 00:57:55,833
but like,

2651
00:57:55,833 --> 00:57:56,916
I feel

2652
00:57:56,916 --> 00:57:58,875
I feel very at home there.

2653
00:57:58,875 --> 00:58:00,458
Like, I know how that works.

2654
00:58:00,458 --> 00:58:01,250
Like I used to do

2655
00:58:01,250 --> 00:58:02,375
sound, you know,

2656
00:58:02,375 --> 00:58:04,333
I can mix in a pinch.

2657
00:58:04,333 --> 00:58:05,541
Or light.

2658
00:58:05,541 --> 00:58:06,583
I was a professional

2659
00:58:06,583 --> 00:58:07,458
lighting engineer,

2660
00:58:07,458 --> 00:58:07,625
you know,

2661
00:58:07,625 --> 00:58:09,416
I even did, like, a DVD,

2662
00:58:09,416 --> 00:58:10,541
that came out like,

2663
00:58:10,541 --> 00:58:11,958
I love lights, you know?

2664
00:58:11,958 --> 00:58:13,125
And I love making the shit

2665
00:58:13,125 --> 00:58:13,958
look good.

2666
00:58:13,958 --> 00:58:16,708
And I just feel very good

2667
00:58:16,708 --> 00:58:17,458
doing that

2668
00:58:17,458 --> 00:58:18,375
because I did it

2669
00:58:18,375 --> 00:58:20,166
for such a long time,

2670
00:58:20,166 --> 00:58:21,041
you know?

2671
00:58:21,041 --> 00:58:22,000
And, you know,

2672
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,000
when you do something

2673
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,791
like you feel good on stage,

2674
00:58:24,791 --> 00:58:26,291
you feel good playing

2675
00:58:26,291 --> 00:58:27,625
because you were in bands

2676
00:58:27,625 --> 00:58:28,666
and you played in basements

2677
00:58:28,666 --> 00:58:29,375
and you practiced

2678
00:58:29,375 --> 00:58:29,875
and rehearsed

2679
00:58:29,875 --> 00:58:31,541
and did all this fun shit,

2680
00:58:31,541 --> 00:58:31,875
you know,

2681
00:58:31,875 --> 00:58:32,208
you know,

2682
00:58:32,208 --> 00:58:32,875
when you feel

2683
00:58:32,875 --> 00:58:35,000
good doing that.

2684
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:35,708
No, this is

2685
00:58:35,708 --> 00:58:36,833
this is what it's all.

2686
00:58:36,833 --> 00:58:37,625
I love that

2687
00:58:37,625 --> 00:58:38,708
you put it this way

2688
00:58:38,708 --> 00:58:39,833
because like, this is what

2689
00:58:40,833 --> 00:58:41,791
Bitcoin and

2690
00:58:41,791 --> 00:58:42,666
then this community

2691
00:58:42,666 --> 00:58:43,333
allows for it.

2692
00:58:43,333 --> 00:58:45,166
All of a sudden you you

2693
00:58:45,166 --> 00:58:46,125
you have a use

2694
00:58:46,125 --> 00:58:46,875
for all of these

2695
00:58:46,875 --> 00:58:47,958
useless skills

2696
00:58:47,958 --> 00:58:48,291
that you

2697
00:58:48,291 --> 00:58:49,458
built up over the years.

2698
00:58:49,458 --> 00:58:51,958
You know.

2699
00:58:51,958 --> 00:58:52,875
And and it's not

2700
00:58:52,875 --> 00:58:53,541
only the,

2701
00:58:53,541 --> 00:58:54,583
the the music,

2702
00:58:54,583 --> 00:58:55,750
the like other shit

2703
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:57,125
like my scribblings like,

2704
00:58:57,125 --> 00:58:58,208
I think I

2705
00:58:58,208 --> 00:58:59,708
probably like writing

2706
00:58:59,708 --> 00:59:01,791
because I wrote music, lyrics

2707
00:59:01,791 --> 00:59:02,500
like for,

2708
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:03,291
for the longest song

2709
00:59:03,291 --> 00:59:04,750
lyrics for the longest time

2710
00:59:04,750 --> 00:59:06,916
like that, that has,

2711
00:59:06,916 --> 00:59:07,958
played a huge part

2712
00:59:07,958 --> 00:59:09,166
in why I started

2713
00:59:09,166 --> 00:59:10,375
writing books later on.

2714
00:59:10,375 --> 00:59:11,208
Like the book

2715
00:59:11,208 --> 00:59:13,125
sort of took over from the

2716
00:59:13,125 --> 00:59:13,791
from the music

2717
00:59:13,791 --> 00:59:14,625
when I stopped

2718
00:59:14,625 --> 00:59:15,583
playing in the band

2719
00:59:15,583 --> 00:59:16,708
and like, stopped

2720
00:59:16,708 --> 00:59:18,166
that whole trying,

2721
00:59:18,166 --> 00:59:19,083
trying so hard

2722
00:59:19,083 --> 00:59:20,500
career like, then,

2723
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:22,125
something had

2724
00:59:22,125 --> 00:59:23,083
something had to give

2725
00:59:23,083 --> 00:59:24,125
and something had to,

2726
00:59:24,125 --> 00:59:25,875
to take from what gave like

2727
00:59:25,875 --> 00:59:27,833
and the writing became

2728
00:59:27,833 --> 00:59:29,916
became my new creative outlet

2729
00:59:29,916 --> 00:59:32,083
and so so but

2730
00:59:32,083 --> 00:59:33,083
it's through

2731
00:59:33,083 --> 00:59:34,625
writing song lyrics that I

2732
00:59:36,166 --> 00:59:37,375
developed this

2733
00:59:37,375 --> 00:59:39,000
fascination for,

2734
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,875
for playing around with words

2735
00:59:40,875 --> 00:59:43,083
and, you know,

2736
00:59:43,083 --> 00:59:43,875
words have double

2737
00:59:43,875 --> 00:59:46,000
meanings and,

2738
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:46,625
you can,

2739
00:59:46,625 --> 00:59:48,708
you can do stuff with them.

2740
00:59:48,708 --> 00:59:49,750
So, so

2741
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:50,791
and I think this is true

2742
00:59:50,791 --> 00:59:51,875
for many Bitcoiners

2743
00:59:51,875 --> 00:59:54,541
that they find a way to,

2744
00:59:54,541 --> 00:59:56,625
to utilize their passions

2745
00:59:56,625 --> 00:59:59,083
and utilize their hidden

2746
00:59:59,083 --> 01:00:00,416
abilities,

2747
01:00:00,416 --> 01:00:02,291
to do something

2748
01:00:02,291 --> 01:00:03,333
in the Bitcoin space.

2749
01:00:03,333 --> 01:00:05,083
And it just it's

2750
01:00:05,083 --> 01:00:07,083
just like all the pieces,

2751
01:00:07,083 --> 01:00:07,875
you know, jigsaw

2752
01:00:07,875 --> 01:00:08,833
falling into place.

2753
01:00:08,833 --> 01:00:09,500
One one of my

2754
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:10,250
favorite Radiohead

2755
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:11,333
songs, by the way.

2756
01:00:11,333 --> 01:00:11,875
But that's what

2757
01:00:11,875 --> 01:00:12,583
it feels like.

2758
01:00:12,583 --> 01:00:15,041
It's, Yeah.

2759
01:00:15,041 --> 01:00:16,333
What are your thoughts?

2760
01:00:16,333 --> 01:00:17,625
Everyone's got a part.

2761
01:00:17,625 --> 01:00:19,250
A part to play.

2762
01:00:19,250 --> 01:00:19,541
Yeah.

2763
01:00:19,541 --> 01:00:22,750
So I, I want to ask you

2764
01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:25,208
a question, about

2765
01:00:25,208 --> 01:00:26,583
whether the

2766
01:00:26,583 --> 01:00:28,541
greatest of all time

2767
01:00:28,541 --> 01:00:31,000
sort of stuff is

2768
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,708
will be timeless

2769
01:00:32,708 --> 01:00:34,375
and live forever.

2770
01:00:34,375 --> 01:00:37,375
Do you think that those

2771
01:00:37,666 --> 01:00:38,500
that everything

2772
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:40,166
that we look at is, you know,

2773
01:00:40,166 --> 01:00:41,125
the greatest band?

2774
01:00:41,125 --> 01:00:41,541
By the way,

2775
01:00:41,541 --> 01:00:42,125
I didn't get your

2776
01:00:42,125 --> 01:00:42,833
three artists

2777
01:00:42,833 --> 01:00:43,500
that you would want on.

2778
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:44,583
Oh, yeah.

2779
01:00:44,583 --> 01:00:45,791
But but, you know,

2780
01:00:45,791 --> 01:00:46,375
is this going

2781
01:00:46,375 --> 01:00:47,208
to be around it?

2782
01:00:47,208 --> 01:00:49,875
Does it does it yours either.

2783
01:00:49,875 --> 01:00:50,500
Like, I'm,

2784
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:51,958
I'm trying to interview you,

2785
01:00:51,958 --> 01:00:53,625
but you end up interviewing

2786
01:00:53,625 --> 01:00:55,208
me instead. Well, okay,

2787
01:00:56,375 --> 01:00:57,291
which question

2788
01:00:57,291 --> 01:00:59,666
does a 22 year old kid ever

2789
01:00:59,666 --> 01:01:00,875
go through that phase

2790
01:01:00,875 --> 01:01:02,166
where they discover

2791
01:01:02,166 --> 01:01:03,833
the Beatles and Zeppelin,

2792
01:01:03,833 --> 01:01:04,583
and really does

2793
01:01:04,583 --> 01:01:05,833
that live on in

2794
01:01:05,833 --> 01:01:07,541
a, in a sort of a future

2795
01:01:07,541 --> 01:01:08,833
where people are maybe

2796
01:01:08,833 --> 01:01:10,708
short on attention spans

2797
01:01:10,708 --> 01:01:11,333
and we're living

2798
01:01:11,333 --> 01:01:12,541
in another world,

2799
01:01:12,541 --> 01:01:13,541
or do these things

2800
01:01:13,541 --> 01:01:15,250
sort of die away, you know?

2801
01:01:15,250 --> 01:01:16,500
I mean, I,

2802
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:19,500
personally, I love to find

2803
01:01:19,625 --> 01:01:20,791
things that I don't know

2804
01:01:20,791 --> 01:01:21,125
of, right?

2805
01:01:21,125 --> 01:01:22,416
Calypso music

2806
01:01:22,416 --> 01:01:24,125
classics, you know, old songs

2807
01:01:24,125 --> 01:01:26,083
in the 40s, in the 30s.

2808
01:01:26,083 --> 01:01:26,291
You know,

2809
01:01:26,291 --> 01:01:27,375
there's a lot of like,

2810
01:01:27,375 --> 01:01:28,125
you know, little,

2811
01:01:28,125 --> 01:01:28,958
little jazz thing.

2812
01:01:28,958 --> 01:01:30,125
And I start to build

2813
01:01:30,125 --> 01:01:31,291
my own things

2814
01:01:31,291 --> 01:01:32,500
that I'd never discovered.

2815
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:33,625
Right? Yeah, yeah.

2816
01:01:33,625 --> 01:01:34,875
You know, for Dollywood

2817
01:01:34,875 --> 01:01:36,416
classics or Weird Little,

2818
01:01:36,416 --> 01:01:37,250
which

2819
01:01:37,250 --> 01:01:37,750
wasn't that

2820
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:39,041
fantastic in Medellin

2821
01:01:39,041 --> 01:01:40,291
when you just took an Uber

2822
01:01:40,291 --> 01:01:41,125
somewhere in the

2823
01:01:41,125 --> 01:01:42,500
the soundtrack to Medellin

2824
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:43,333
was just great.

2825
01:01:43,333 --> 01:01:44,291
It was everywhere,

2826
01:01:44,291 --> 01:01:45,875
like calypso music

2827
01:01:45,875 --> 01:01:46,750
and South American

2828
01:01:46,750 --> 01:01:47,541
music, like,

2829
01:01:48,916 --> 01:01:49,666
it was just,

2830
01:01:49,666 --> 01:01:51,583
it was just pitch perfect.

2831
01:01:51,583 --> 01:01:52,500
And I just loved it.

2832
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:53,875
All of it.

2833
01:01:53,875 --> 01:01:56,000
That's one of the fun things

2834
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:56,833
about traveling.

2835
01:01:56,833 --> 01:01:58,208
Like, I have this playlist.

2836
01:01:58,208 --> 01:01:59,041
I'll share it with you.

2837
01:01:59,041 --> 01:02:00,250
It's a very long break,

2838
01:02:00,250 --> 01:02:01,125
and it's all timeless

2839
01:02:01,125 --> 01:02:01,958
classics.

2840
01:02:01,958 --> 01:02:03,458
And just, you know, there's

2841
01:02:03,458 --> 01:02:03,958
no there's

2842
01:02:03,958 --> 01:02:05,250
no garbage on there.

2843
01:02:05,250 --> 01:02:05,833
But we call it

2844
01:02:05,833 --> 01:02:06,791
our family playlist,

2845
01:02:06,791 --> 01:02:08,291
and you end up in Colombia,

2846
01:02:08,291 --> 01:02:09,041
or you're traveling

2847
01:02:09,041 --> 01:02:10,208
for whatever reason,

2848
01:02:10,208 --> 01:02:11,333
and you hear that song

2849
01:02:11,333 --> 01:02:11,958
and so many times

2850
01:02:11,958 --> 01:02:12,791
it's like, oh, whatever

2851
01:02:12,791 --> 01:02:13,750
this is,

2852
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:14,958
you know, and you save it

2853
01:02:14,958 --> 01:02:15,958
and you add it to the list

2854
01:02:15,958 --> 01:02:16,833
and that comes on,

2855
01:02:16,833 --> 01:02:17,708
and it's some weird

2856
01:02:17,708 --> 01:02:18,666
Russian song

2857
01:02:18,666 --> 01:02:19,833
that we heard somewhere,

2858
01:02:19,833 --> 01:02:21,250
God knows where or whatever.

2859
01:02:21,250 --> 01:02:22,250
But it's like just good

2860
01:02:22,250 --> 01:02:23,500
music and like,

2861
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:23,916
you know,

2862
01:02:23,916 --> 01:02:25,458
I maybe stumble on that,

2863
01:02:25,458 --> 01:02:26,291
but like, do,

2864
01:02:26,291 --> 01:02:26,875
do other

2865
01:02:26,875 --> 01:02:28,250
people are the classics

2866
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:30,125
going to live on forever?

2867
01:02:30,125 --> 01:02:32,625
I think I think so,

2868
01:02:32,625 --> 01:02:34,875
it might be more French.

2869
01:02:34,875 --> 01:02:35,958
It might be more,

2870
01:02:35,958 --> 01:02:38,583
for the few them for that,

2871
01:02:38,583 --> 01:02:39,791
like,

2872
01:02:39,791 --> 01:02:40,750
not as popular

2873
01:02:40,750 --> 01:02:41,625
as before, but

2874
01:02:41,625 --> 01:02:42,875
but there will be nerds

2875
01:02:42,875 --> 01:02:43,416
who have their

2876
01:02:43,416 --> 01:02:45,250
Beatles periods and they're,

2877
01:02:45,250 --> 01:02:46,958
you know, Stravinsky periods

2878
01:02:46,958 --> 01:02:48,125
or their Zeppelin

2879
01:02:48,125 --> 01:02:49,583
periods or their,

2880
01:02:49,583 --> 01:02:51,666
Zappa periods, for instance.

2881
01:02:51,666 --> 01:02:52,833
I love Frank Zappa, by

2882
01:02:52,833 --> 01:02:54,041
the way. And I found, like,

2883
01:02:55,416 --> 01:02:56,500
befriended this guy

2884
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:58,166
in, El Salvador,

2885
01:02:58,166 --> 01:02:59,541
in a village

2886
01:02:59,541 --> 01:03:02,208
next to El Santa who's,

2887
01:03:02,208 --> 01:03:03,000
an American guy

2888
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,750
who really loves Frank Zappa.

2889
01:03:04,750 --> 01:03:06,250
We could recite lyrics.

2890
01:03:06,250 --> 01:03:07,333
We knew the lyrics

2891
01:03:07,333 --> 01:03:08,333
to all of these

2892
01:03:08,333 --> 01:03:09,583
deep cut songs

2893
01:03:09,583 --> 01:03:10,291
that nobody other.

2894
01:03:10,291 --> 01:03:10,916
Everyone else

2895
01:03:10,916 --> 01:03:11,666
was looking at us

2896
01:03:11,666 --> 01:03:13,458
like we were absolute idiots.

2897
01:03:13,458 --> 01:03:14,625
Like, because we are

2898
01:03:14,625 --> 01:03:15,916
and we just love.

2899
01:03:15,916 --> 01:03:16,833
I had back

2900
01:03:16,833 --> 01:03:18,166
when I was in my 20s,

2901
01:03:18,166 --> 01:03:18,708
I collected

2902
01:03:18,708 --> 01:03:19,458
Zappa albums,

2903
01:03:19,458 --> 01:03:21,625
so I had like around 50

2904
01:03:21,625 --> 01:03:22,750
Frank Zappa CD's.

2905
01:03:22,750 --> 01:03:24,166
I wanted to like deep dive

2906
01:03:24,166 --> 01:03:25,375
into everything he did

2907
01:03:25,375 --> 01:03:26,625
and like figure it out

2908
01:03:26,625 --> 01:03:27,958
because it was so complex.

2909
01:03:27,958 --> 01:03:29,166
And there's so much

2910
01:03:29,166 --> 01:03:30,791
it's such a treasure trove

2911
01:03:30,791 --> 01:03:32,208
once you find it.

2912
01:03:32,208 --> 01:03:33,208
And this goes for like,

2913
01:03:33,208 --> 01:03:34,291
I've had several

2914
01:03:34,291 --> 01:03:35,416
Beatles periods

2915
01:03:35,416 --> 01:03:36,375
during my life,

2916
01:03:36,375 --> 01:03:37,000
and I think

2917
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:37,958
people in the future

2918
01:03:37,958 --> 01:03:39,375
will have those to like

2919
01:03:39,375 --> 01:03:40,625
because there's

2920
01:03:40,625 --> 01:03:42,125
there's so many aspects

2921
01:03:42,125 --> 01:03:45,125
of that band to to this.

2922
01:03:45,125 --> 01:03:45,958
It's such a,

2923
01:03:45,958 --> 01:03:47,500
a world in itself.

2924
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:48,125
And their,

2925
01:03:48,125 --> 01:03:49,541
their entire career

2926
01:03:49,541 --> 01:03:51,458
spanned seven years.

2927
01:03:51,458 --> 01:03:52,208
I can't

2928
01:03:52,208 --> 01:03:53,166
I can't

2929
01:03:53,166 --> 01:03:54,083
wrap my head around

2930
01:03:54,083 --> 01:03:55,333
how cool that is.

2931
01:03:55,333 --> 01:03:56,291
And if you look at the

2932
01:03:56,291 --> 01:03:57,166
the Get Back

2933
01:03:57,166 --> 01:03:58,500
documentary that they made

2934
01:03:58,500 --> 01:03:58,958
with,

2935
01:03:58,958 --> 01:03:59,375
the Peter

2936
01:03:59,375 --> 01:04:00,625
Jackson made with, like,

2937
01:04:00,625 --> 01:04:01,500
when they have restored

2938
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:02,291
the old footage

2939
01:04:02,291 --> 01:04:03,041
and separated

2940
01:04:03,041 --> 01:04:04,000
the tracks and everything,

2941
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:04,625
so you can hear what

2942
01:04:04,625 --> 01:04:06,500
people are saying there.

2943
01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:07,416
It's like the opposite

2944
01:04:07,416 --> 01:04:08,125
of proof of work.

2945
01:04:08,125 --> 01:04:09,250
It's proof of

2946
01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:10,708
just goofing around.

2947
01:04:10,708 --> 01:04:11,708
They're just playing.

2948
01:04:11,708 --> 01:04:12,625
They're just like,

2949
01:04:12,625 --> 01:04:14,125
fiddling around and

2950
01:04:14,125 --> 01:04:14,958
but they're in there

2951
01:04:14,958 --> 01:04:15,666
doing the.

2952
01:04:15,666 --> 01:04:16,875
In a way, it's proof of work

2953
01:04:16,875 --> 01:04:18,083
because they're sitting there

2954
01:04:18,083 --> 01:04:19,291
playing at all times.

2955
01:04:19,291 --> 01:04:21,041
But the but it's all

2956
01:04:21,041 --> 01:04:22,291
it's all enjoyable

2957
01:04:22,291 --> 01:04:23,333
and it's all

2958
01:04:23,333 --> 01:04:25,875
none of it is like hard work.

2959
01:04:25,875 --> 01:04:27,375
It seems everything.

2960
01:04:27,375 --> 01:04:28,625
It's just, I'm here,

2961
01:04:28,625 --> 01:04:29,625
I want to do this

2962
01:04:29,625 --> 01:04:30,958
and I'm going to do it.

2963
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,375
They managed to

2964
01:04:33,375 --> 01:04:34,625
have a fantastic career

2965
01:04:34,625 --> 01:04:35,416
doing exactly

2966
01:04:35,416 --> 01:04:36,125
what they wanted.

2967
01:04:36,125 --> 01:04:37,000
So I,

2968
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,333
and I think Beatles is like,

2969
01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:40,333
there's so much

2970
01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:41,000
to find there.

2971
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,708
And even like,

2972
01:04:42,708 --> 01:04:44,750
Post-beatles era,

2973
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:46,375
John Paul

2974
01:04:46,375 --> 01:04:47,625
and and George

2975
01:04:47,625 --> 01:04:48,250
in particular.

2976
01:04:48,250 --> 01:04:49,000
Maybe not Ringo

2977
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,416
that much, but but John,

2978
01:04:50,416 --> 01:04:52,375
Paul and George are are there

2979
01:04:52,375 --> 01:04:53,000
there are other

2980
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,875
albums are also worth

2981
01:04:54,875 --> 01:04:56,833
worth a lesson or two.

2982
01:04:56,833 --> 01:04:59,666
And like trying to discover.

2983
01:04:59,666 --> 01:05:01,208
Yeah.

2984
01:05:01,208 --> 01:05:01,666
I don't know.

2985
01:05:01,666 --> 01:05:04,000
I'm a music fan, you know.

2986
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,500
So and I know you were to

2987
01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:06,500
the proof of work for

2988
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:07,166
the Beatles

2989
01:05:07,166 --> 01:05:08,875
was going to Hamburg

2990
01:05:08,875 --> 01:05:09,375
and playing

2991
01:05:09,375 --> 01:05:10,666
14 hours a day

2992
01:05:10,666 --> 01:05:12,666
that that was probably,

2993
01:05:12,666 --> 01:05:13,458
you know, that

2994
01:05:13,458 --> 01:05:16,458
probably got them absolutely.

2995
01:05:17,166 --> 01:05:17,916
And and George

2996
01:05:17,916 --> 01:05:19,083
Harrison was 17

2997
01:05:19,083 --> 01:05:20,291
when they started doing that.

2998
01:05:20,291 --> 01:05:22,875
Like he was super young.

2999
01:05:23,916 --> 01:05:24,583
And they were

3000
01:05:24,583 --> 01:05:25,333
they were kids

3001
01:05:25,333 --> 01:05:27,083
just goofing around.

3002
01:05:27,083 --> 01:05:28,375
But over such a short

3003
01:05:28,375 --> 01:05:29,958
period of time,

3004
01:05:29,958 --> 01:05:30,666
that's insane.

3005
01:05:30,666 --> 01:05:32,000
Much

3006
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,125
like four movies

3007
01:05:33,125 --> 01:05:34,583
and the 11 albums

3008
01:05:34,583 --> 01:05:35,458
or whatever it is.

3009
01:05:35,458 --> 01:05:36,083
I don't know

3010
01:05:36,083 --> 01:05:37,458
the exact numbers, but,

3011
01:05:37,458 --> 01:05:39,708
how many top hits like

3012
01:05:39,708 --> 01:05:40,708
endless?

3013
01:05:40,708 --> 01:05:42,791
It's just amazing.

3014
01:05:42,791 --> 01:05:44,083
And and you know what?

3015
01:05:44,083 --> 01:05:45,083
I love about that?

3016
01:05:45,083 --> 01:05:45,666
And I don't know

3017
01:05:45,666 --> 01:05:46,333
if it's like this

3018
01:05:46,333 --> 01:05:47,083
for everyone,

3019
01:05:47,083 --> 01:05:48,916
but the B-sides

3020
01:05:48,916 --> 01:05:50,291
and the things that never

3021
01:05:50,291 --> 01:05:51,666
got released,

3022
01:05:51,666 --> 01:05:53,750
especially with Bob Dylan,

3023
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:55,375
and the Beatles.

3024
01:05:55,375 --> 01:05:57,041
For me, Purple Rain,

3025
01:05:57,041 --> 01:06:00,041
rain, rain was a B-side,

3026
01:06:00,166 --> 01:06:01,458
can you imagine?

3027
01:06:01,458 --> 01:06:02,625
But like when you listen

3028
01:06:02,625 --> 01:06:04,250
to the The anthology

3029
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:04,958
or the

3030
01:06:04,958 --> 01:06:05,875
The Beat album,

3031
01:06:05,875 --> 01:06:07,208
the have you ever heard

3032
01:06:07,208 --> 01:06:08,291
the Esther Demos,

3033
01:06:08,291 --> 01:06:09,041
which is the White

3034
01:06:09,041 --> 01:06:10,708
Album demos?

3035
01:06:10,708 --> 01:06:12,041
Where it's them

3036
01:06:12,041 --> 01:06:13,000
with a four track.

3037
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,500
They were with Maharishi,

3038
01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:15,583
you know. Oh, yeah.

3039
01:06:15,583 --> 01:06:16,541


3040
01:06:16,541 --> 01:06:17,833
But you know, you can hear

3041
01:06:17,833 --> 01:06:19,791
just on a four track guitar,

3042
01:06:19,791 --> 01:06:22,416
you know, flew in from Miami

3043
01:06:22,416 --> 01:06:22,916
and it's like a

3044
01:06:22,916 --> 01:06:23,916
different tempo.

3045
01:06:23,916 --> 01:06:24,666
And it's like,

3046
01:06:24,666 --> 01:06:25,791
I just love listening

3047
01:06:25,791 --> 01:06:26,625
to the demos.

3048
01:06:26,625 --> 01:06:27,708
Like the demo

3049
01:06:27,708 --> 01:06:29,583
for Dear Prudence is like,

3050
01:06:29,583 --> 01:06:31,125
you know, insanely good.

3051
01:06:31,125 --> 01:06:32,375
And it's like super low

3052
01:06:32,375 --> 01:06:33,416
fi and it's not

3053
01:06:33,416 --> 01:06:34,916
and wasn't meant to come out.

3054
01:06:34,916 --> 01:06:36,125
But I think that it's

3055
01:06:36,125 --> 01:06:37,083
really interesting

3056
01:06:37,083 --> 01:06:37,875
that over time,

3057
01:06:37,875 --> 01:06:38,833
with your favorites,

3058
01:06:38,833 --> 01:06:39,875
some of your favorite things

3059
01:06:39,875 --> 01:06:41,041
to listen to weren't

3060
01:06:41,041 --> 01:06:42,875
even the final products,

3061
01:06:42,875 --> 01:06:44,041
you know, I mean, it

3062
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:45,458
just so

3063
01:06:45,458 --> 01:06:48,708
and, and the, that,

3064
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:51,666
that were those on the,

3065
01:06:51,666 --> 01:06:54,250
one of the anthology albums.

3066
01:06:54,250 --> 01:06:54,541
Yeah,

3067
01:06:54,541 --> 01:06:56,250
there were a few on there.

3068
01:06:56,250 --> 01:06:56,666
Yeah.

3069
01:06:56,666 --> 01:06:58,333
Because I released

3070
01:06:58,333 --> 01:06:59,500
for the White Album.

3071
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:00,041
You can

3072
01:07:00,041 --> 01:07:00,500
you can listen

3073
01:07:00,500 --> 01:07:02,541
to the whole thing, though.

3074
01:07:02,541 --> 01:07:03,750
Yeah.

3075
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:04,166
Yeah, that's

3076
01:07:04,166 --> 01:07:04,916
super interesting.

3077
01:07:04,916 --> 01:07:05,500
That's, that's

3078
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:07,125
like my favorite metallic

3079
01:07:07,125 --> 01:07:09,250
album is And Justice for All.

3080
01:07:09,250 --> 01:07:10,333
And there's the like,

3081
01:07:10,333 --> 01:07:11,833
there's,

3082
01:07:11,833 --> 01:07:13,333
some recording of, like,

3083
01:07:13,333 --> 01:07:14,541
when they have the riffs

3084
01:07:14,541 --> 01:07:15,625
and it's just them

3085
01:07:15,625 --> 01:07:16,375
sending riffs,

3086
01:07:16,375 --> 01:07:17,625
demo tapes of riffs

3087
01:07:17,625 --> 01:07:18,833
to one another,

3088
01:07:18,833 --> 01:07:20,375
and it's so beautiful, like,

3089
01:07:20,375 --> 01:07:22,125
these are,

3090
01:07:22,125 --> 01:07:23,291
still to this day,

3091
01:07:23,291 --> 01:07:23,833
I think that

3092
01:07:23,833 --> 01:07:25,125
that's their most progressive

3093
01:07:25,125 --> 01:07:26,416
and that's their most

3094
01:07:26,416 --> 01:07:27,541
aggressive album.

3095
01:07:27,541 --> 01:07:29,041
And I absolutely love it.

3096
01:07:29,041 --> 01:07:29,500
I mean,

3097
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:30,875
imagine these four guys,

3098
01:07:30,875 --> 01:07:32,333
they're also in their

3099
01:07:32,333 --> 01:07:33,125
early 20s

3100
01:07:33,125 --> 01:07:33,750
and their friend

3101
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:35,916
has just died in a bus crash.

3102
01:07:35,916 --> 01:07:36,583
And,

3103
01:07:36,583 --> 01:07:38,375
and they're fucking angry.

3104
01:07:38,375 --> 01:07:38,916
And,

3105
01:07:38,916 --> 01:07:39,708
James has

3106
01:07:39,708 --> 01:07:41,125
had a, his rough childhood

3107
01:07:41,125 --> 01:07:41,583
and everything

3108
01:07:41,583 --> 01:07:42,375
and everything.

3109
01:07:42,375 --> 01:07:43,291
It's just poured out

3110
01:07:43,291 --> 01:07:43,958
on that album,

3111
01:07:43,958 --> 01:07:45,625
and it's such a,

3112
01:07:45,625 --> 01:07:47,375
pitch perfect thing.

3113
01:07:48,625 --> 01:07:49,083
Yeah.

3114
01:07:49,083 --> 01:07:51,041
That's another

3115
01:07:51,041 --> 01:07:52,041
one of my favorite albums,

3116
01:07:52,041 --> 01:07:52,416
by the way,

3117
01:07:52,416 --> 01:07:53,583
and justice for all.

3118
01:07:53,583 --> 01:07:54,875
And there are like,

3119
01:07:54,875 --> 01:07:55,666
it's legendary

3120
01:07:55,666 --> 01:07:56,958
because they they, the,

3121
01:07:56,958 --> 01:07:59,958
the bass is barely,

3122
01:08:01,083 --> 01:08:01,708
you can barely

3123
01:08:01,708 --> 01:08:03,208
hear it in the mix

3124
01:08:03,208 --> 01:08:04,375
because they didn't

3125
01:08:04,375 --> 01:08:05,166
want the bass there

3126
01:08:05,166 --> 01:08:06,166
because it reminded them

3127
01:08:06,166 --> 01:08:07,250
of their old bass player

3128
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:07,625
or something.

3129
01:08:07,625 --> 01:08:10,166
The guy that died. So,

3130
01:08:10,166 --> 01:08:12,875
so, did you see the movie?

3131
01:08:12,875 --> 01:08:13,416
Did you see the

3132
01:08:13,416 --> 01:08:15,208
Metallica movie?

3133
01:08:15,208 --> 01:08:16,750
Which one of them,

3134
01:08:16,750 --> 01:08:18,083
like, the,

3135
01:08:18,083 --> 01:08:19,625
the some kind of monster?

3136
01:08:19,625 --> 01:08:21,041
Yeah. Oh, man.

3137
01:08:21,041 --> 01:08:22,000
Yeah, yeah. When the.

3138
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,625
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

3139
01:08:23,625 --> 01:08:24,791
what's hilarious.

3140
01:08:24,791 --> 01:08:26,375
It's hilarious.

3141
01:08:26,375 --> 01:08:28,250
Like the therapy sessions.

3142
01:08:28,250 --> 01:08:28,916
Yeah, yeah.

3143
01:08:28,916 --> 01:08:29,666
And they're paying

3144
01:08:29,666 --> 01:08:31,000
this guy, like

3145
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,583
$7,000 a day

3146
01:08:32,583 --> 01:08:33,500
or something, like.

3147
01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:36,500
And he's just a complete

3148
01:08:36,750 --> 01:08:38,250
arguing about

3149
01:08:38,250 --> 01:08:39,041
arguing about

3150
01:08:39,041 --> 01:08:40,416
whether every song needs

3151
01:08:40,416 --> 01:08:42,083
a solo, you know?

3152
01:08:42,083 --> 01:08:42,875
And it's,

3153
01:08:42,875 --> 01:08:44,041
it's amazing

3154
01:08:44,041 --> 01:08:45,333
that they survived that

3155
01:08:45,333 --> 01:08:46,750
and that there's still,

3156
01:08:46,750 --> 01:08:47,791
sort of relevant

3157
01:08:47,791 --> 01:08:48,666
and still sell out

3158
01:08:48,666 --> 01:08:49,583
shows and stuff.

3159
01:08:49,583 --> 01:08:51,208
I mean, I don't personally,

3160
01:08:51,208 --> 01:08:52,333
I don't think they ever made

3161
01:08:52,333 --> 01:08:53,041
a good album

3162
01:08:53,041 --> 01:08:54,000
after the Black Album,

3163
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,875
but but but still,

3164
01:08:55,875 --> 01:08:57,750
there's they're still touring

3165
01:08:57,750 --> 01:08:59,083
and every once in a while

3166
01:08:59,083 --> 01:08:59,750
there's a semi

3167
01:08:59,750 --> 01:09:01,750
good song coming out and,

3168
01:09:03,291 --> 01:09:04,541
I respect

3169
01:09:04,541 --> 01:09:05,291
the hell out of them

3170
01:09:05,291 --> 01:09:06,166
for, for like,

3171
01:09:06,166 --> 01:09:06,916
walking the walk

3172
01:09:06,916 --> 01:09:09,083
the way they do and and.

3173
01:09:09,083 --> 01:09:09,833
Yeah.

3174
01:09:09,833 --> 01:09:11,541
So who's left to see who.

3175
01:09:11,541 --> 01:09:12,791
Have you not seen that

3176
01:09:12,791 --> 01:09:13,750
still touring

3177
01:09:13,750 --> 01:09:14,708
that you want to see.

3178
01:09:14,708 --> 01:09:16,166
And let me tell you Primus.

3179
01:09:16,166 --> 01:09:18,875
Primus I never saw Primus.

3180
01:09:18,875 --> 01:09:19,416
But wait,

3181
01:09:19,416 --> 01:09:21,208
there's still touring.

3182
01:09:21,208 --> 01:09:22,125
Yeah, there's

3183
01:09:22,125 --> 01:09:22,708
they did

3184
01:09:22,708 --> 01:09:24,291
like one of the best concerts

3185
01:09:24,291 --> 01:09:25,208
I've ever seen.

3186
01:09:25,208 --> 01:09:26,041
Like,

3187
01:09:26,041 --> 01:09:27,250
I didn't see it myself,

3188
01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:28,958
but I saw it on YouTube

3189
01:09:28,958 --> 01:09:30,791
is when Trey and Matt play

3190
01:09:30,791 --> 01:09:31,958
all the South Park songs

3191
01:09:31,958 --> 01:09:34,666
with Prima's and Ween.

3192
01:09:34,666 --> 01:09:34,958
Like,

3193
01:09:34,958 --> 01:09:36,625
that was right up my alley.

3194
01:09:36,625 --> 01:09:37,833
I absolutely love

3195
01:09:37,833 --> 01:09:38,916
all the South Park stuff.

3196
01:09:38,916 --> 01:09:40,125
And and there

3197
01:09:40,125 --> 01:09:41,291
some super talented

3198
01:09:41,291 --> 01:09:42,250
musicians too.

3199
01:09:42,250 --> 01:09:44,250
Especially when playing

3200
01:09:44,250 --> 01:09:46,666
with Primus.

3201
01:09:46,666 --> 01:09:47,083
So.

3202
01:09:47,083 --> 01:09:49,791
So yeah, I'd like to see that

3203
01:09:49,791 --> 01:09:51,250
if if I could pick one band

3204
01:09:51,250 --> 01:09:51,958
that I haven't seen

3205
01:09:51,958 --> 01:09:52,625
that I'd like,

3206
01:09:52,625 --> 01:09:54,750
it's probably Primus.

3207
01:09:54,750 --> 01:09:56,291
And how about you?

3208
01:09:56,291 --> 01:09:57,958
I don't know, and I ruined it

3209
01:09:57,958 --> 01:09:59,541
because I finally saw

3210
01:09:59,541 --> 01:10:00,625
the Rolling Stones

3211
01:10:00,625 --> 01:10:02,083
not too long ago,

3212
01:10:02,083 --> 01:10:04,541
and I wish, I wish I didn't

3213
01:10:04,541 --> 01:10:06,375
because it just was crap.

3214
01:10:06,375 --> 01:10:06,833
Well, no,

3215
01:10:06,833 --> 01:10:07,791
I'm picturing, like,

3216
01:10:07,791 --> 01:10:08,791
everything that I know of

3217
01:10:08,791 --> 01:10:09,875
the Rolling Stones and,

3218
01:10:09,875 --> 01:10:10,208
you know,

3219
01:10:10,208 --> 01:10:11,416
I mean, the 70s

3220
01:10:11,416 --> 01:10:12,875
and like every

3221
01:10:12,875 --> 01:10:16,125
it was just it was so bad.

3222
01:10:16,625 --> 01:10:18,625
They just don't care.

3223
01:10:18,625 --> 01:10:21,041
I mean, it was

3224
01:10:21,041 --> 01:10:21,875
it was kind of

3225
01:10:21,875 --> 01:10:23,000
I wish I almost wish

3226
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,041
that I actually do

3227
01:10:24,041 --> 01:10:25,083
wish that I didn't go

3228
01:10:25,083 --> 01:10:25,583
and I could just

3229
01:10:25,583 --> 01:10:26,708
keep it in my life

3230
01:10:26,708 --> 01:10:27,333
or I wish

3231
01:10:27,333 --> 01:10:27,958
that I would have saw them

3232
01:10:27,958 --> 01:10:28,666
in the 90s,

3233
01:10:28,666 --> 01:10:29,041
maybe

3234
01:10:29,041 --> 01:10:29,750
when it was a little bit

3235
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:30,541
of a different thing.

3236
01:10:30,541 --> 01:10:31,083
Same thing

3237
01:10:31,083 --> 01:10:32,250
with Bob Dylan right now.

3238
01:10:32,250 --> 01:10:32,500
I mean,

3239
01:10:32,500 --> 01:10:33,041
I wish I could have

3240
01:10:33,041 --> 01:10:33,833
saw him in the 90s,

3241
01:10:33,833 --> 01:10:36,000
but it is a terrible show.

3242
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,166
It is. It is an awful show.

3243
01:10:38,166 --> 01:10:38,625
Did you know

3244
01:10:38,625 --> 01:10:40,041
after the the,

3245
01:10:40,041 --> 01:10:42,458
the Prague, the

3246
01:10:42,458 --> 01:10:44,291
the 2023 one?

3247
01:10:44,291 --> 01:10:45,000
Luke

3248
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:45,875
and I went to see,

3249
01:10:45,875 --> 01:10:48,500
and Luke's wife

3250
01:10:48,500 --> 01:10:51,333
went to see, Pantera.

3251
01:10:51,333 --> 01:10:51,875
Wow.

3252
01:10:51,875 --> 01:10:53,625
The Pantera reunion

3253
01:10:53,625 --> 01:10:54,625
or whatever you call the pit.

3254
01:10:54,625 --> 01:10:56,083
There are tributes.

3255
01:10:56,083 --> 01:10:56,833
I bet there's.

3256
01:10:56,833 --> 01:10:58,000
And that was really good.

3257
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,375
And Prague is Prague

3258
01:10:59,375 --> 01:11:00,500
especially, you know, like,

3259
01:11:00,500 --> 01:11:02,083
if you're going to see bands

3260
01:11:02,083 --> 01:11:03,041
in, in Europe,

3261
01:11:03,041 --> 01:11:03,625
you should

3262
01:11:03,625 --> 01:11:04,416
see them in Prague,

3263
01:11:04,416 --> 01:11:05,291
because like, that's

3264
01:11:05,291 --> 01:11:06,166
where the

3265
01:11:06,166 --> 01:11:07,208
we know that that's

3266
01:11:07,208 --> 01:11:08,416
where the cool underground

3267
01:11:08,416 --> 01:11:09,041
pubs are.

3268
01:11:09,041 --> 01:11:09,916
And everything and like,

3269
01:11:09,916 --> 01:11:10,375
oh, of course

3270
01:11:10,375 --> 01:11:11,083
this was in a big

3271
01:11:11,083 --> 01:11:12,541
arena and stuff,

3272
01:11:12,541 --> 01:11:14,083
but it was really cool.

3273
01:11:14,083 --> 01:11:15,083
And they sounded

3274
01:11:15,083 --> 01:11:16,458
good, like really good.

3275
01:11:18,458 --> 01:11:19,958
I wish I would have seen

3276
01:11:19,958 --> 01:11:23,916
AcDc in the, in the late 90s.

3277
01:11:23,916 --> 01:11:25,541
I actually did see them

3278
01:11:25,541 --> 01:11:26,500
not too long ago

3279
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:29,083
on the tour with Axl Rose.

3280
01:11:29,083 --> 01:11:30,458
Oh, you saw that?

3281
01:11:30,458 --> 01:11:30,666
Yeah.

3282
01:11:30,666 --> 01:11:32,041
They sent their singer home

3283
01:11:32,041 --> 01:11:33,750
because I guess his death,

3284
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:35,875
which is

3285
01:11:35,875 --> 01:11:37,083
which is a tough thing. This.

3286
01:11:37,083 --> 01:11:37,541
How do you have

3287
01:11:37,541 --> 01:11:38,333
that conversation?

3288
01:11:38,333 --> 01:11:39,833
Listen, you're leaving her,

3289
01:11:39,833 --> 01:11:41,625
and you can't shit.

3290
01:11:41,625 --> 01:11:44,208
But anyway, Yeah. Yeah.

3291
01:11:44,208 --> 01:11:45,583
Go on. It was still good.

3292
01:11:45,583 --> 01:11:47,291
Did you ever see them?

3293
01:11:47,291 --> 01:11:48,083
I know,

3294
01:11:48,083 --> 01:11:49,083
but I saw the clips

3295
01:11:49,083 --> 01:11:50,041
of Axl Rose singing.

3296
01:11:50,041 --> 01:11:51,625
Ironically enough,

3297
01:11:51,625 --> 01:11:52,666
I think Axl Rose

3298
01:11:52,666 --> 01:11:53,916
sort of redeemed himself.

3299
01:11:53,916 --> 01:11:55,000
I mean, he's been sounding

3300
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:55,791
like Mickey Mouse

3301
01:11:55,791 --> 01:11:56,708
for a long time.

3302
01:11:56,708 --> 01:11:58,416
Like, he hasn't been good,

3303
01:11:58,416 --> 01:12:00,458
since the 90s. Really?

3304
01:12:00,458 --> 01:12:01,250
And,

3305
01:12:01,250 --> 01:12:02,458
but but I think

3306
01:12:02,458 --> 01:12:03,500
the AC, DC stuff

3307
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:04,416
sounded really good.

3308
01:12:04,416 --> 01:12:05,416
Like,

3309
01:12:05,416 --> 01:12:06,916
he sort of redeemed himself.

3310
01:12:06,916 --> 01:12:08,583
I guess he had to

3311
01:12:08,583 --> 01:12:09,625
kick himself in the book

3312
01:12:09,625 --> 01:12:10,958
because he got that gig

3313
01:12:10,958 --> 01:12:13,125
and they took pride in it.

3314
01:12:13,125 --> 01:12:14,041
So the clips

3315
01:12:14,041 --> 01:12:15,166
I've seen sounded good.

3316
01:12:15,166 --> 01:12:15,875
Did it sound good?

3317
01:12:15,875 --> 01:12:18,166
Like like, was he okay?

3318
01:12:18,166 --> 01:12:19,000
I mean, you

3319
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:19,750
know, Angus

3320
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:20,833
Young is actually

3321
01:12:20,833 --> 01:12:22,250
a teetotaler.

3322
01:12:22,250 --> 01:12:26,375
So he doesn't do any drugs,

3323
01:12:26,375 --> 01:12:27,916
drinking, nothing.

3324
01:12:27,916 --> 01:12:29,333
He's very,

3325
01:12:29,333 --> 01:12:32,333
But he's a chain smoker.

3326
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:34,333
Yeah. He smokes like crazy.

3327
01:12:34,333 --> 01:12:35,833
So he's getting up there

3328
01:12:35,833 --> 01:12:37,083
in years,

3329
01:12:37,083 --> 01:12:38,166
and,

3330
01:12:38,166 --> 01:12:38,625
you know,

3331
01:12:38,625 --> 01:12:38,916
it was

3332
01:12:38,916 --> 01:12:40,250
still a very good show.

3333
01:12:40,250 --> 01:12:40,958
Like, it was.

3334
01:12:40,958 --> 01:12:42,041
It wasn't like the stones

3335
01:12:42,041 --> 01:12:42,666
thing.

3336
01:12:42,666 --> 01:12:43,208
The stones

3337
01:12:43,208 --> 01:12:44,625
thing was embarrassing.

3338
01:12:44,625 --> 01:12:45,583
It was still

3339
01:12:45,583 --> 01:12:46,791
a very good show.

3340
01:12:46,791 --> 01:12:47,583
It was weird

3341
01:12:47,583 --> 01:12:48,166
because Axl

3342
01:12:48,166 --> 01:12:49,750
just hung out in the back.

3343
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:50,666
The basically,

3344
01:12:50,666 --> 01:12:51,666
the back of the stage

3345
01:12:51,666 --> 01:12:52,541
didn't really live it

3346
01:12:52,541 --> 01:12:53,291
up, like,

3347
01:12:53,291 --> 01:12:54,291
it wasn't really his thing.

3348
01:12:54,291 --> 01:12:55,958
Like he stayed in the back

3349
01:12:55,958 --> 01:12:56,625
a little bit,

3350
01:12:56,625 --> 01:12:57,375
but it was fine.

3351
01:12:57,375 --> 01:12:58,500
But AC, DC

3352
01:12:58,500 --> 01:12:59,333
still does something

3353
01:12:59,333 --> 01:13:00,250
really cool

3354
01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:01,583
where a lot of their

3355
01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:03,125
their show is still

3356
01:13:03,125 --> 01:13:04,875
very like analog.

3357
01:13:04,875 --> 01:13:06,791
Like they have the big check,

3358
01:13:06,791 --> 01:13:07,875
you know, that

3359
01:13:07,875 --> 01:13:10,125
that blows up the inflatable,

3360
01:13:10,125 --> 01:13:11,500
the inflatable

3361
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:12,875
thing that comes out

3362
01:13:12,875 --> 01:13:14,166
and kind of floats around

3363
01:13:14,166 --> 01:13:15,583
and it's so cool

3364
01:13:15,583 --> 01:13:16,125
because it's

3365
01:13:16,125 --> 01:13:17,458
not just like everything

3366
01:13:17,458 --> 01:13:18,250
is, you know,

3367
01:13:18,250 --> 01:13:19,875
CGI technology,

3368
01:13:19,875 --> 01:13:20,875
like it's still.

3369
01:13:20,875 --> 01:13:22,041
And it was awesome

3370
01:13:22,041 --> 01:13:23,250
and it was cool.

3371
01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:24,541
Whole Lotta Rosie,

3372
01:13:24,541 --> 01:13:25,750
that's Rosie, right?

3373
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:27,833
Yeah. Inflatable shake.

3374
01:13:29,333 --> 01:13:30,916
Now, I love, this,

3375
01:13:30,916 --> 01:13:32,833
AC DC anecdote

3376
01:13:32,833 --> 01:13:33,166
where

3377
01:13:33,166 --> 01:13:35,083
the interviewers,

3378
01:13:35,083 --> 01:13:37,125
accuses Angus of like, AC.

3379
01:13:37,125 --> 01:13:38,125
DC has just made

3380
01:13:38,125 --> 01:13:39,041
the same album

3381
01:13:39,041 --> 01:13:40,208
12 times in a row.

3382
01:13:40,208 --> 01:13:41,083
Like, it's

3383
01:13:41,083 --> 01:13:42,500
it all sounds the same.

3384
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:43,125
And he's like,

3385
01:13:43,125 --> 01:13:44,083
no, no, no,

3386
01:13:44,083 --> 01:13:46,375
that's, entirely not true.

3387
01:13:46,375 --> 01:13:48,583
That it's completely false.

3388
01:13:48,583 --> 01:13:50,291
We've actually made 13 albums

3389
01:13:50,291 --> 01:13:53,291
that some.

3390
01:13:54,791 --> 01:13:55,583
I mean,

3391
01:13:55,583 --> 01:13:56,625
that drummer,

3392
01:13:56,625 --> 01:13:59,166
he has to be bored.

3393
01:13:59,166 --> 01:13:59,458
Yeah.

3394
01:13:59,458 --> 01:14:01,208
The AC DC drummer,

3395
01:14:01,208 --> 01:14:03,666
but man, I don't care.

3396
01:14:03,666 --> 01:14:04,750
That's a hit, man.

3397
01:14:04,750 --> 01:14:05,041
That's

3398
01:14:05,041 --> 01:14:06,958
that's all you need to play?

3399
01:14:06,958 --> 01:14:09,958
No, and I mean,

3400
01:14:10,083 --> 01:14:12,000
an album like High Voltage.

3401
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,541
Like how how fucking good is

3402
01:14:13,541 --> 01:14:13,875
that?

3403
01:14:13,875 --> 01:14:15,333
Or Hell's Bells,

3404
01:14:15,333 --> 01:14:17,375
or what's up with

3405
01:14:17,375 --> 01:14:18,375
Back in black?

3406
01:14:18,375 --> 01:14:20,291
Back in black.

3407
01:14:20,291 --> 01:14:20,541
You know,

3408
01:14:20,541 --> 01:14:21,250
that was after

3409
01:14:21,250 --> 01:14:22,916
the original singer died.

3410
01:14:22,916 --> 01:14:23,625
Yeah, yeah,

3411
01:14:23,625 --> 01:14:24,583
but that's the first one

3412
01:14:24,583 --> 01:14:25,791
with Brian, right?

3413
01:14:25,791 --> 01:14:27,583
Yeah. Yeah.

3414
01:14:27,583 --> 01:14:28,708
And it's so good.

3415
01:14:28,708 --> 01:14:30,375
And,

3416
01:14:31,791 --> 01:14:33,333
I mean, they put up

3417
01:14:33,333 --> 01:14:34,250
so many,

3418
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:35,375
so many killer things,

3419
01:14:35,375 --> 01:14:36,041
so like,

3420
01:14:36,041 --> 01:14:37,666
I can't imagine, like,

3421
01:14:37,666 --> 01:14:39,250
I, I love and

3422
01:14:39,250 --> 01:14:40,875
I love listening to AC, DC

3423
01:14:40,875 --> 01:14:41,791
while I drive.

3424
01:14:41,791 --> 01:14:43,000
Like, it's the perfect car.

3425
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:44,875
Music.

3426
01:14:44,875 --> 01:14:46,083
And they're fairly easy

3427
01:14:46,083 --> 01:14:47,291
riffs to play, right?

3428
01:14:47,291 --> 01:14:47,541
Like,

3429
01:14:47,541 --> 01:14:48,083
if you're young

3430
01:14:48,083 --> 01:14:49,208
and learning to play guitar,

3431
01:14:49,208 --> 01:14:51,000
I mean, it's.

3432
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:51,791
Yeah. Is it not?

3433
01:14:51,791 --> 01:14:52,083
Is it

3434
01:14:52,083 --> 01:14:54,416
not a bad place to start?

3435
01:14:54,416 --> 01:14:55,500
It's a good place to start,

3436
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:56,000
I guess.

3437
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,375
And like,

3438
01:14:57,375 --> 01:14:58,583
this is one of the perks

3439
01:14:58,583 --> 01:15:00,041
of all of these bands

3440
01:15:00,041 --> 01:15:00,875
that we grow up with.

3441
01:15:00,875 --> 01:15:03,375
Everyone learn to play guitar

3442
01:15:03,375 --> 01:15:03,916
by playing

3443
01:15:03,916 --> 01:15:05,333
like Metallica, Iron

3444
01:15:05,333 --> 01:15:07,041
Maiden and AC, DC riffs.

3445
01:15:07,041 --> 01:15:08,208
Like, when I grew up.

3446
01:15:08,208 --> 01:15:09,416
That's that's what we did.

3447
01:15:09,416 --> 01:15:11,000
Like we learned how to play

3448
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:11,958
run to the Hills,

3449
01:15:11,958 --> 01:15:12,583
for instance.

3450
01:15:14,541 --> 01:15:16,041
Everyone knew that.

3451
01:15:16,041 --> 01:15:17,833
And, Enter Sandman,

3452
01:15:17,833 --> 01:15:18,750
everyone knew that.

3453
01:15:18,750 --> 01:15:21,750
And, like stuff like that.

3454
01:15:22,958 --> 01:15:25,583
Yeah.

3455
01:15:25,583 --> 01:15:28,583
Or, Highway to Hell.

3456
01:15:28,958 --> 01:15:29,250
Yeah.

3457
01:15:29,250 --> 01:15:29,708
That's a

3458
01:15:29,708 --> 01:15:31,041
that's a Canute classic.

3459
01:15:31,041 --> 01:15:31,666
That's on the

3460
01:15:31,666 --> 01:15:33,625
that's on the short list.

3461
01:15:33,625 --> 01:15:34,708
I can't sing it though.

3462
01:15:34,708 --> 01:15:36,041
Like we had to transpose it

3463
01:15:36,041 --> 01:15:38,375
when we played it in Prague.

3464
01:15:38,375 --> 01:15:41,250
Luke claims that he can sing

3465
01:15:41,250 --> 01:15:43,208
AC, DC in the original key,

3466
01:15:43,208 --> 01:15:44,458
so we'll have to

3467
01:15:44,458 --> 01:15:45,291
he'll have to sing

3468
01:15:45,291 --> 01:15:47,250
the AC DC songs next time,

3469
01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:48,208
and we'll have to, like,

3470
01:15:48,208 --> 01:15:49,958
practice them.

3471
01:15:49,958 --> 01:15:50,500
Yeah, sure.

3472
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:51,875
I'd love to play some

3473
01:15:51,875 --> 01:15:53,125
more AC, DC for sure.

3474
01:15:53,125 --> 01:15:54,500
I may be able to help you out

3475
01:15:54,500 --> 01:15:55,750
a little bit,

3476
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:56,916
so I don't know.

3477
01:15:56,916 --> 01:15:58,166
You should. You should.

3478
01:15:58,166 --> 01:15:59,166
I wish I would have helped

3479
01:15:59,166 --> 01:15:59,916
Joe out

3480
01:15:59,916 --> 01:16:01,208
with some of his songs.

3481
01:16:01,208 --> 01:16:02,125
I mean, I don't even need

3482
01:16:02,125 --> 01:16:02,833
the iPad.

3483
01:16:02,833 --> 01:16:03,916
I know every damn word.

3484
01:16:03,916 --> 01:16:05,541
I'm a big words guy.

3485
01:16:05,541 --> 01:16:06,125
I mean, I could have

3486
01:16:06,125 --> 01:16:08,000
did all those pop punk songs,

3487
01:16:09,125 --> 01:16:11,500
small things.

3488
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:12,666
Yeah, I know you hate it.

3489
01:16:12,666 --> 01:16:13,541
You hate it all.

3490
01:16:13,541 --> 01:16:14,708
No, no, I love it,

3491
01:16:14,708 --> 01:16:15,416
I love it,

3492
01:16:15,416 --> 01:16:16,750
I absolutely love it.

3493
01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:17,791
I it's okay.

3494
01:16:17,791 --> 01:16:19,541
And I pretended that

3495
01:16:19,541 --> 01:16:20,875
I hated it in my teens,

3496
01:16:20,875 --> 01:16:23,875
but I loved it back then too.

3497
01:16:24,125 --> 01:16:26,083
Like, I, I love the pop

3498
01:16:26,083 --> 01:16:27,125
punk stuff.

3499
01:16:27,125 --> 01:16:28,875
I think it's brilliant.

3500
01:16:28,875 --> 01:16:29,625
Yeah.

3501
01:16:29,625 --> 01:16:32,625
It had its it had its moment.

3502
01:16:32,916 --> 01:16:34,166
Absolutely.

3503
01:16:34,166 --> 01:16:36,291
So, must I mean,

3504
01:16:36,291 --> 01:16:37,208
this has been more

3505
01:16:37,208 --> 01:16:38,791
you interviewing me than me

3506
01:16:38,791 --> 01:16:40,000
interviewing you,

3507
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,750
but so before, before we run

3508
01:16:42,750 --> 01:16:43,166
this off,

3509
01:16:43,166 --> 01:16:44,458
we've been going here for,

3510
01:16:44,458 --> 01:16:46,541
if anyone. Stephen.

3511
01:16:46,541 --> 01:16:47,875
Still listening?

3512
01:16:47,875 --> 01:16:49,541
This this is

3513
01:16:49,541 --> 01:16:50,833
coming up on on, like,

3514
01:16:50,833 --> 01:16:52,666
80 minutes or something, but,

3515
01:16:52,666 --> 01:16:54,625
let's say it was.

3516
01:16:54,625 --> 01:16:58,125
Let's go back to, Lightning

3517
01:16:58,125 --> 01:16:59,083
Ventures and Thunder.

3518
01:16:59,083 --> 01:16:59,541
Thunder.

3519
01:16:59,541 --> 01:17:01,041
Is there anything else

3520
01:17:01,041 --> 01:17:02,083
you want to add about that?

3521
01:17:02,083 --> 01:17:02,666
Because we've

3522
01:17:02,666 --> 01:17:03,583
been talking music

3523
01:17:03,583 --> 01:17:04,958
now for most of this.

3524
01:17:04,958 --> 01:17:06,250
So, so

3525
01:17:06,250 --> 01:17:07,416
so so

3526
01:17:07,416 --> 01:17:08,500
what else is there to say

3527
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:09,583
about that?

3528
01:17:09,583 --> 01:17:10,958
The most important thing

3529
01:17:10,958 --> 01:17:12,375
is I'm helping Knute

3530
01:17:12,375 --> 01:17:13,541
develop a show

3531
01:17:13,541 --> 01:17:14,625
that is going to be

3532
01:17:14,625 --> 01:17:16,833
really all about music

3533
01:17:16,833 --> 01:17:18,875
and dive into,

3534
01:17:18,875 --> 01:17:20,041
you know, bands

3535
01:17:20,041 --> 01:17:21,625
or albums or songs,

3536
01:17:21,625 --> 01:17:23,083
maybe play a few clips

3537
01:17:23,083 --> 01:17:23,750
here and there.

3538
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:25,083
I'm looking forward to,

3539
01:17:25,083 --> 01:17:27,083
seeing how that goes.

3540
01:17:27,083 --> 01:17:28,125
So, yeah,

3541
01:17:28,125 --> 01:17:29,291
Lightning Ventures,

3542
01:17:29,291 --> 01:17:30,750
if you're curious,

3543
01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:31,333
if you want to

3544
01:17:31,333 --> 01:17:32,291
join our group,

3545
01:17:32,291 --> 01:17:33,375
but we are the world's

3546
01:17:33,375 --> 01:17:34,875
largest Bitcoin focused

3547
01:17:34,875 --> 01:17:37,041
investing network.

3548
01:17:37,041 --> 01:17:40,708
Meet cool people, get jobs,

3549
01:17:40,708 --> 01:17:41,333
get work

3550
01:17:41,333 --> 01:17:42,375
partnerships,

3551
01:17:42,375 --> 01:17:43,583
invest in companies,

3552
01:17:43,583 --> 01:17:44,083
get money

3553
01:17:44,083 --> 01:17:45,416
for your own company.

3554
01:17:45,416 --> 01:17:46,541
We've been fiat

3555
01:17:46,541 --> 01:17:48,250
mining for Bitcoin startups

3556
01:17:48,250 --> 01:17:50,500
since 2021.

3557
01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:51,250
So that's a little bit

3558
01:17:51,250 --> 01:17:52,791
on Lightning Ventures.

3559
01:17:52,791 --> 01:17:53,625
And,

3560
01:17:53,625 --> 01:17:54,208
it's different

3561
01:17:54,208 --> 01:17:56,500
than these other, VC firms.

3562
01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:56,791
Right?

3563
01:17:56,791 --> 01:17:58,375
The, the other VCs,

3564
01:17:58,375 --> 01:17:58,625
you know,

3565
01:17:58,625 --> 01:18:00,625
they raised $30 million

3566
01:18:00,625 --> 01:18:01,125
and then they

3567
01:18:01,125 --> 01:18:02,000
spend your money

3568
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:02,583
and we do it

3569
01:18:02,583 --> 01:18:03,500
a little bit differently,

3570
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:04,416
where you get to make

3571
01:18:04,416 --> 01:18:05,625
your own decisions

3572
01:18:05,625 --> 01:18:07,000
and get rolling.

3573
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,000
They make a lot

3574
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:08,666
more money, though,

3575
01:18:08,666 --> 01:18:09,625
so maybe I should do

3576
01:18:09,625 --> 01:18:11,041
what they do.

3577
01:18:11,041 --> 01:18:11,833
And then Thunder.

3578
01:18:11,833 --> 01:18:12,916
Thunder, of course,

3579
01:18:12,916 --> 01:18:15,375
is a CF funding portal.

3580
01:18:15,375 --> 01:18:18,125
That's thunder. Thunder.com.

3581
01:18:18,125 --> 01:18:19,458
Totally free to sign up.

3582
01:18:19,458 --> 01:18:20,208
We have two live

3583
01:18:20,208 --> 01:18:21,791
deals there right now.

3584
01:18:21,791 --> 01:18:22,666
You know,

3585
01:18:22,666 --> 01:18:24,000
we're just getting started

3586
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:24,791
on the platform,

3587
01:18:24,791 --> 01:18:25,583
so send us all

3588
01:18:25,583 --> 01:18:26,583
your bug requests.

3589
01:18:26,583 --> 01:18:27,250
Send us shit.

3590
01:18:27,250 --> 01:18:28,500
That doesn't work.

3591
01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:29,333
You know, sending

3592
01:18:29,333 --> 01:18:30,125
messages back

3593
01:18:30,125 --> 01:18:32,166
and forth, public profiles,

3594
01:18:32,166 --> 01:18:33,500
earning badges,

3595
01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:34,750
all kinds of stuff there.

3596
01:18:34,750 --> 01:18:36,250
So we're just getting started

3597
01:18:36,250 --> 01:18:36,958
with Thunder. Thunder.

3598
01:18:36,958 --> 01:18:37,750
But those are the two

3599
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:38,333
main things

3600
01:18:38,333 --> 01:18:39,458
that I'm working on.

3601
01:18:39,458 --> 01:18:40,833
Although our primary

3602
01:18:40,833 --> 01:18:42,041
revenue driver

3603
01:18:42,041 --> 01:18:43,750
is Satoshi Nakamoto.

3604
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:45,125
So that's really

3605
01:18:45,125 --> 01:18:46,000
that's really.

3606
01:18:48,333 --> 01:18:48,666
Yeah.

3607
01:18:48,666 --> 01:18:49,208
Right.

3608
01:18:49,208 --> 01:18:49,625
I mean,

3609
01:18:49,625 --> 01:18:50,958
so you have to tell me

3610
01:18:50,958 --> 01:18:52,750
is, the name Thunder.

3611
01:18:52,750 --> 01:18:53,541
Thunder?

3612
01:18:53,541 --> 01:18:57,125
Oh, is that, alluding to

3613
01:18:57,166 --> 01:18:59,208
to the Lightning Network

3614
01:18:59,208 --> 01:19:00,666
or was it purely

3615
01:19:00,666 --> 01:19:02,625
an AC DC hint?

3616
01:19:02,625 --> 01:19:03,958


3617
01:19:03,958 --> 01:19:04,583
It's not,

3618
01:19:04,583 --> 01:19:05,958
but it's a little of both.

3619
01:19:05,958 --> 01:19:07,000
You know,

3620
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,625
when I was 13 or 14,

3621
01:19:08,625 --> 01:19:10,208
I had the third,

3622
01:19:10,208 --> 01:19:11,208
largest AC,

3623
01:19:11,208 --> 01:19:13,083
DC website on the internet.

3624
01:19:13,083 --> 01:19:13,958
I wrote it

3625
01:19:13,958 --> 01:19:16,125
in, notepad on my computer.

3626
01:19:16,125 --> 01:19:17,583
It was called High Voltage,

3627
01:19:17,583 --> 01:19:18,708
was the name of the site.

3628
01:19:18,708 --> 01:19:19,666
And it was probably one

3629
01:19:19,666 --> 01:19:21,083
of those GeoCities

3630
01:19:21,083 --> 01:19:23,291
slash whatever, tilde,

3631
01:19:23,291 --> 01:19:23,666
you know,

3632
01:19:23,666 --> 01:19:24,458
or maybe something

3633
01:19:24,458 --> 01:19:25,958
like that, but,

3634
01:19:25,958 --> 01:19:27,041
but yeah, I love

3635
01:19:27,041 --> 01:19:28,541
I love that and, you know,

3636
01:19:28,541 --> 01:19:29,875
kind of a play on,

3637
01:19:29,875 --> 01:19:31,000
you know, Lightning Ventures.

3638
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:31,708
Lightning Ventures

3639
01:19:31,708 --> 01:19:33,791
isn't just about lightning,

3640
01:19:33,791 --> 01:19:35,166
companies.

3641
01:19:35,166 --> 01:19:37,000
It's all things Bitcoin.

3642
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:38,583
And it's a jazzy name.

3643
01:19:38,583 --> 01:19:39,458
And, you know,

3644
01:19:39,458 --> 01:19:40,583
I think that lightning is

3645
01:19:40,583 --> 01:19:41,791
is the way that it's going,

3646
01:19:41,791 --> 01:19:42,708
and that is the future.

3647
01:19:42,708 --> 01:19:43,500
But we do

3648
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:44,416
a lot of other things

3649
01:19:44,416 --> 01:19:44,791
that are

3650
01:19:44,791 --> 01:19:45,916
that are not necessarily

3651
01:19:45,916 --> 01:19:48,333
just lightning focused.

3652
01:19:48,333 --> 01:19:49,333
So fantastic.

3653
01:19:49,333 --> 01:19:50,750
And what's the website again?

3654
01:19:52,208 --> 01:19:53,583
Lightning

3655
01:19:53,583 --> 01:19:54,875
Adventures and

3656
01:19:54,875 --> 01:19:57,750
Thunder thunder.com.

3657
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:58,500
All right.

3658
01:19:58,500 --> 01:19:59,541
And,

3659
01:19:59,541 --> 01:20:00,916
would you like to see me

3660
01:20:00,916 --> 01:20:02,375
and must do a show

3661
01:20:02,375 --> 01:20:04,333
where we dissect album

3662
01:20:04,333 --> 01:20:06,250
by album

3663
01:20:06,250 --> 01:20:08,833
music albums and,

3664
01:20:08,833 --> 01:20:09,750
our favorites

3665
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:11,000
from the past and,

3666
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,333
and talk about each track

3667
01:20:12,333 --> 01:20:13,916
and how they were recorded

3668
01:20:13,916 --> 01:20:14,750
and why,

3669
01:20:14,750 --> 01:20:17,833
if so, comments below.

3670
01:20:17,833 --> 01:20:18,916
And and tell us

3671
01:20:18,916 --> 01:20:19,416
what you think

3672
01:20:19,416 --> 01:20:20,916
about that idea.

3673
01:20:20,916 --> 01:20:21,458
Yeah.

3674
01:20:21,458 --> 01:20:22,250
There's just things

3675
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:23,291
that happened to you.

3676
01:20:23,291 --> 01:20:23,750
I mean,

3677
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:26,083
the intro to thunderstruck, I

3678
01:20:26,083 --> 01:20:27,083
when that comes on,

3679
01:20:27,083 --> 01:20:27,791
I just can't,

3680
01:20:27,791 --> 01:20:28,750
I just, I can't,

3681
01:20:28,750 --> 01:20:31,750
I can't, I just,

3682
01:20:32,625 --> 01:20:34,083
it's so good.

3683
01:20:34,083 --> 01:20:35,541
When I see you do that, I,

3684
01:20:35,541 --> 01:20:36,791
I sometimes wish

3685
01:20:36,791 --> 01:20:39,500
I still had my long hair.

3686
01:20:39,500 --> 01:20:40,333
Well, it's not too late.

3687
01:20:40,333 --> 01:20:42,458
Cannot grow it back.

3688
01:20:42,458 --> 01:20:43,916
Well, I have a hat now.

3689
01:20:43,916 --> 01:20:45,583
I like hats, too.

3690
01:20:48,083 --> 01:20:49,291
Anyway, must.

3691
01:20:49,291 --> 01:20:50,083
It's been great

3692
01:20:50,083 --> 01:20:51,583
talking to you, and,

3693
01:20:51,583 --> 01:20:52,791
it's been great doing this

3694
01:20:52,791 --> 01:20:53,833
rock, Commodus, with you.

3695
01:20:53,833 --> 01:20:54,750
And I hope we get to do

3696
01:20:54,750 --> 01:20:56,291
more of them in the future

3697
01:20:56,291 --> 01:20:57,666
and get to hang out

3698
01:20:57,666 --> 01:20:59,291
and play chess and drink

3699
01:20:59,291 --> 01:21:00,375
adult beverages.

3700
01:21:00,375 --> 01:21:01,416
Whatever.

3701
01:21:01,416 --> 01:21:02,416
Whatever.

3702
01:21:02,416 --> 01:21:03,791
Whatever's on the table,

3703
01:21:03,791 --> 01:21:05,708
literally and metaphorically.

3704
01:21:05,708 --> 01:21:08,583
So, see you next time.

3705
01:21:08,583 --> 01:21:09,333
Yeah. Can you.

3706
01:21:09,333 --> 01:21:10,708
Thanks very much, man.

3707
01:21:10,708 --> 01:21:12,500
Cheers to you.

3708
01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:13,833
This has been the Bitcoin

3709
01:21:13,833 --> 01:21:14,750
Infinity Show.

3710
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:15,875
Thanks for listening.