Bitcoin, Art, and Freedom with Madex | Bitcoin Infinity Show #148

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Happy that

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Bitcoin is at this point

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where like

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this is an inevitable future.

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It is coming no matter what.

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No one can get

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in the way of it.

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And I think

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the next couple of years

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are going to be

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really exciting

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because we're going to see

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that really large actors

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start to use Bitcoin

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for the purposes

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it was designed for,

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and the same reason

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that all of us use

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it as individuals

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corruption will

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never get rid of.

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But at least we can level

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the playing field

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and make it a fair game.

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And you know,

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all the horrible things about

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mankind will always exist.

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But with Bitcoin

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at least

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the ledger is fair

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and trustworthy,

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so no one can

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cheat from that,

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which is kind of

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the core of obviously

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everything we have.

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We fix things by making them

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less profitable, basically,

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which you make violence

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and treating people

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less, less profitable

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because it's harder

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to take their stuff

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when it's in the

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head of the victim.

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Madex.

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Welcome to the

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Bitcoin Infinity Show.

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Thank you for joining us.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for having me.

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It's great

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to have you here, man.

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It's not not very often

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we have artists, here.

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But you're

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not only an artist,

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you're also like,

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you were,

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a founder of Bull Bitcoin

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back in the day,

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if I'm not mistaken.

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Or at least in the very

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first wave of that company.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Bull Bitcoin was Dave

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Bradley and, Francis Poole

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at bringing

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together their resources

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and doing

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kind of a brand relaunch.

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And so I

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was responsible for,

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helping

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launch the brand and create

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the bull

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created the bull

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Bitcoin brand over the last,

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years.

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And, I say that like Francis

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and,

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the whole team at bull,

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they've built, like,

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a Ferrari engine.

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And, my role is that,

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I say

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the top of the engine

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has to be red,

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say,

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Ferrari across it,

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and there has to

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be glass over it

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so you can look in

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and see the engine.

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So I just do do design work.

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And, fortunately,

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I'm very good at design.

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Unfortunately bull

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Bitcoin is extremely,

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that engineering

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and an extremely good

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bitcoin company.

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the two,

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skills just went together

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really well.

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yeah, I mean, it's it's

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one of the most based bitcoin

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companies on earth

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in my opinion.

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Like it has always been

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always say to them

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Can you name a more based

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Bitcoin company.

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Yeah that would be

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Lemon Escape

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Media wouldn't it.

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To look like that. Yeah.

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Other than that like

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but I know I shouldn't

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say even say that.

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I mean we're

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you're way ahead.

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The the logo is the,

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the coolest logo

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in Bitcoin, too.

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I think it's,

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so you had done

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fantastic work there.

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And, yeah, I think we

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we met back in 2019, in Riga

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for the first time,

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when the whole bitcoin bull

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bitcoin team

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was, was over in Riga.

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This is like the second

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both economy

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bad year ever, right?

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I think so.

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I just had to go that year

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because I was so envious of,

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after the 2018 thing and I.

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Yeah, I saw people online,

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so it just had to be there.

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Turns out bull

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Bitcoin sent

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the whole team from Canada.

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So how did you

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find that conference?

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What do you remember

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most from it?

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I mean, it was awesome.

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What was really cool

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about that was,

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around that time, like,

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maximalism was super early

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for Baltic Honey

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only at that time.

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really pushing back

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against keeping

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all the kind of scammy

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crypto crap out,

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was pretty great.

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the entire attendance

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it's just really awesome

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to see everyone's journey

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since that point and how,

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everything has grown

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and, and expanded

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that's like that,

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that was the coolest

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part of it for me.

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Bull Bitcoin hosted,

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a dinner and a party,

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in the downtown.

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sort of medieval, basement.

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And it was, really

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pretty amazing dinner.

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the, the top,

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top minds of Bitcoin.

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We're all there

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at that time.

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And, yeah, it was

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it was just

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it was

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of maximalism.

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Shortly after,

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Satan's book was out and,

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we were all kind

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of united and,

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with, with the same idea as,

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you know,

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Bitcoin is money

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and everything else is crap.

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So now I remember in,

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first time

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there to,

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like so many is

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so many people that,

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I have exactly the same,

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same memory of it

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because, like,

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it's been so great to watch

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everyone's journey.

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I mean, everyone

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in both bitcoin,

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Ben Sessions journey, Gigi,

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Giacomo, Max Hildebrand,

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there's a safety in himself.

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how how things have

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developed sense for

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for all of these characters

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that were mostly known

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only by the in-group

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on Twitter at the time

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and has

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since then, like, had

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these wonderful journeys

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in different directions.

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And it's, yeah, it brings

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brings back

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a lot of memories,

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that thing.

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also, like you say,

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it was the birth

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And a specific thing

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I remember about that

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conference is

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that people were calling out

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chip corners,

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as you say,

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except for,

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Andreas Antonopoulos.

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Just written the

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that Ethereum book

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or was about to write

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that Ethereum book,

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but every single attendee

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at the conference were orange

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pilled by Andreas

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Antonopoulos,

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so no one dared

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to call him out for

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the Ethereum bullshit.

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That happened a

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little later, but.

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But I found that interesting.

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Yeah. So.

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what has your journey

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been since then?

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Like, can you give us a Tldr?

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Or maybe we should start

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from the beginning here,

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and give us the Tldr

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on Madex Like what?

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I know you and Luke

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are from

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similar, similar

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region of Camp Canada.

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I won't say

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too much more than that, but

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what's your journey?

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Just just

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a short version of it.

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Yeah, I guess short version.

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I was in school looking to,

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looking at building,

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like, banking

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apps for automated

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sort of savings platforms.

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that kind of brought me

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to looking at Bitcoin.

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And then over the years,

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found myself

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I like

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was focusing on

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what would be my best skill,

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which was art.

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I was eventually able

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to find sort of a merger

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between the two.

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And Bitcoin really gave

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a message to the art

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and the creative design work

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I was doing,

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and really sort

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of made it matter.

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I think before is just

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kind of like

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I was in pursuit of sort

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of design excellence,

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but it didn't have,

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a political backing

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or a philosophical

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backing, really.

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And so,

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along that journey,

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Bitcoin and art

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emerged,

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and then that kind of

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put me

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in the perfect position

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when Bitcoin

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was being created to

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come on and, really be able

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to exercise my skills

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and, and, and develop

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something new.

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And I kind of always knew

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I could create something,

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visually iconic and having

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meaningful philosophy

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to, to back that,

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just made it

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that much better.

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So, and since,

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since Riga,

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I've just been working on

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that same sort of goal,

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building out the art project,

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sending Bitcoin signal,

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doing installations,

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showing up and events and,

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also pushing bull bitcoin

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and ensuring that

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bull bitcoin is well known

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and well recognized

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and that the

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the talent

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that we have

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in the bitcoin space

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and the industry

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sort of standard

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setting technology

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that we're developing

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at bull gets,

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shown and promoted

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and in a way

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that

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is as cool as the tech is.

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And yeah,

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I've been busy working away

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on that since, since,

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since Riga.

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And I think it's

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going, really well.

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Well, bulls

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expanding internationally.

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We're live in Europe now,

377
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so we can onboard Europeans

378
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to the bull

379
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bitcoin experience,

380
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which is extremely exciting.

381
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And we've been running

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in Costa Rica

383
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for quite a while now and,

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have a really good

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sort of grassroots

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Bitcoin economy

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growing up there.

388
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And I think all of that

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was just made possible

390
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by the,

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combination

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of just an excellent

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an excellent product,

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extremely good engineering,

395
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really understanding

396
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Bitcoin,

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the needs of bitcoiners,

398
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and,

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yeah, it's it's

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just going extremely well.

401
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And then at the same time,

402
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I'm pushing

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mate X in order

404
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to just bring more

405
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talent into the space

406
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and bring

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more creatives

408
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into the space.

409
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And I think that the,

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after the, technology being

411
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being as good

412
00:10:01,583 --> 00:10:01,791
as it

413
00:10:01,791 --> 00:10:02,750
possibly can be

414
00:10:02,750 --> 00:10:04,291
and the resources available

415
00:10:04,291 --> 00:10:06,291
to us, as good as it can be,

416
00:10:06,291 --> 00:10:07,250
the next thing we need

417
00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:10,375
is like very big signal

418
00:10:10,375 --> 00:10:11,291
into the world.

419
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And,

420
00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:13,750
to make Bitcoin

421
00:10:13,750 --> 00:10:15,291
as attractive as possible

422
00:10:15,291 --> 00:10:16,291
to all the

423
00:10:16,291 --> 00:10:17,500
talent that's out there.

424
00:10:18,833 --> 00:10:19,875
Yeah, it's super cool.

425
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And,

426
00:10:21,916 --> 00:10:22,958
you know,

427
00:10:22,958 --> 00:10:24,500
back to a conference

428
00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:25,750
that you, you designed,

429
00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:26,708
like, had

430
00:10:26,708 --> 00:10:28,125
at least half of,

431
00:10:28,125 --> 00:10:30,250
BTC Prague this year, right?

432
00:10:30,250 --> 00:10:32,958
Or the bar there and, like,

433
00:10:32,958 --> 00:10:34,000
you were some,

434
00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,500
some type of lead designer.

435
00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:36,166
How did that

436
00:10:36,166 --> 00:10:37,750
whole thing happen?

437
00:10:37,750 --> 00:10:38,750
Yeah, that

438
00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:39,916
that was

439
00:10:39,916 --> 00:10:41,000
the coolest thing

440
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,166
I've ever done.

441
00:10:42,166 --> 00:10:44,875
I think in terms of

442
00:10:44,875 --> 00:10:47,000
being able to build a space.

443
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,708
And,

444
00:10:48,708 --> 00:10:51,291
I was just, approached by,

445
00:10:51,291 --> 00:10:52,875
the brothers running,

446
00:10:52,875 --> 00:10:55,125
running the event, and,

447
00:10:55,125 --> 00:10:56,375
they had this space

448
00:10:56,375 --> 00:10:58,250
and they didn't really quite

449
00:10:58,250 --> 00:10:59,291
know what to do with it.

450
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And,

451
00:11:00,791 --> 00:11:03,375
they wanted to have art

452
00:11:03,375 --> 00:11:04,875
play a role in the event.

453
00:11:04,875 --> 00:11:05,958
And so

454
00:11:05,958 --> 00:11:08,958
I got some pretty kind of

455
00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:11,875
free, free rein to just

456
00:11:11,875 --> 00:11:14,208
do some create creation. And,

457
00:11:15,541 --> 00:11:17,000
I was able to pull

458
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,166
together like a really,

459
00:11:18,166 --> 00:11:19,333
I think, an

460
00:11:19,333 --> 00:11:21,041
extremely awesome space.

461
00:11:21,041 --> 00:11:22,458
The only mistake I made was

462
00:11:22,458 --> 00:11:23,666
I didn't have my own film

463
00:11:23,666 --> 00:11:24,250
crew there

464
00:11:24,250 --> 00:11:25,125
to really be

465
00:11:25,125 --> 00:11:26,541
able to capture it.

466
00:11:26,541 --> 00:11:28,875
I knew that BTC

467
00:11:28,875 --> 00:11:30,375
Prague had like a huge film

468
00:11:30,375 --> 00:11:30,916
team there,

469
00:11:30,916 --> 00:11:32,875
so I didn't silly,

470
00:11:32,875 --> 00:11:33,625
I didn't think to

471
00:11:33,625 --> 00:11:35,125
bring kind of my own guy

472
00:11:35,125 --> 00:11:35,625
and then,

473
00:11:35,625 --> 00:11:36,791
obviously

474
00:11:36,791 --> 00:11:37,625
I didn't realize,

475
00:11:37,625 --> 00:11:39,625
like the scale of the event

476
00:11:39,625 --> 00:11:42,625
and how giant it was.

477
00:11:42,750 --> 00:11:44,333
So I'm planning

478
00:11:44,333 --> 00:11:45,500
to be

479
00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:47,958
doing it again, in June

480
00:11:47,958 --> 00:11:49,958
this year for 2025,

481
00:11:49,958 --> 00:11:51,291
and it should be

482
00:11:51,291 --> 00:11:52,375
on the same level.

483
00:11:52,375 --> 00:11:54,416
And, I'm, I'm

484
00:11:54,416 --> 00:11:55,000
definitely going to be

485
00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,750
bringing a film crew in

486
00:11:56,750 --> 00:11:58,333
for anyone who can't make it,

487
00:11:58,333 --> 00:11:59,833
but I strongly advise

488
00:11:59,833 --> 00:12:00,500
getting a ticket

489
00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:02,333
to BTC Prague

490
00:12:02,333 --> 00:12:04,500
to see what I'm up to,

491
00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:05,125
because I think

492
00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:06,166
it'll be pretty cool.

493
00:12:06,166 --> 00:12:07,833
And already last year

494
00:12:07,833 --> 00:12:09,333
it was awesome.

495
00:12:09,333 --> 00:12:11,750
Specifically the neons.

496
00:12:11,750 --> 00:12:12,833
I was really happy with.

497
00:12:12,833 --> 00:12:15,000
I got, giant

498
00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,750
eight eight by four foot

499
00:12:16,750 --> 00:12:17,750
neon sign

500
00:12:17,750 --> 00:12:18,708
that just had,

501
00:12:18,708 --> 00:12:22,416
the Ayn Rand, quote on it

502
00:12:22,416 --> 00:12:23,625
that I swear by my life

503
00:12:23,625 --> 00:12:25,458
and my love of it, quote.

504
00:12:25,458 --> 00:12:27,250
And, a couple other

505
00:12:27,250 --> 00:12:28,625
light installations

506
00:12:28,625 --> 00:12:29,750
that were really cool.

507
00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:30,875
And, yeah,

508
00:12:30,875 --> 00:12:31,541
it was really great

509
00:12:31,541 --> 00:12:32,291
to get that kind

510
00:12:32,291 --> 00:12:33,458
of support from BTC

511
00:12:33,458 --> 00:12:35,500
Prague because,

512
00:12:36,625 --> 00:12:38,791
many

513
00:12:38,791 --> 00:12:40,125
they are just

514
00:12:40,125 --> 00:12:41,291
the biggest bitcoin

515
00:12:41,291 --> 00:12:42,666
only kind

516
00:12:42,666 --> 00:12:44,500
of maximalist conference.

517
00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:47,083
And they have the resources

518
00:12:47,083 --> 00:12:47,583
to be able

519
00:12:47,583 --> 00:12:48,208
to make like

520
00:12:48,208 --> 00:12:49,250
really cool ideas

521
00:12:49,250 --> 00:12:51,458
come into existence.

522
00:12:51,458 --> 00:12:53,000
Versus

523
00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:53,833
I guess,

524
00:12:53,833 --> 00:12:54,875
the next closest thing

525
00:12:54,875 --> 00:12:56,500
to them is,

526
00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:57,583
Bitcoin magazine,

527
00:12:57,583 --> 00:13:00,125
which kind of cares about

528
00:13:00,125 --> 00:13:01,125
shilling crap

529
00:13:01,125 --> 00:13:01,833
and that

530
00:13:01,833 --> 00:13:02,625
they don't really have

531
00:13:02,625 --> 00:13:03,208
the same sort

532
00:13:03,208 --> 00:13:04,333
of ethical standards

533
00:13:04,333 --> 00:13:04,916
that that

534
00:13:04,916 --> 00:13:05,625
BTC Prague

535
00:13:05,625 --> 00:13:06,791
does for the event.

536
00:13:06,791 --> 00:13:08,083
And also just the quality

537
00:13:08,083 --> 00:13:09,583
standards like BTC

538
00:13:09,583 --> 00:13:10,458
Prague was

539
00:13:10,458 --> 00:13:12,166
the highest quality event

540
00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:14,041
that I've ever been to.

541
00:13:14,041 --> 00:13:15,375
Even

542
00:13:15,375 --> 00:13:16,625
just seeing as like for,

543
00:13:16,625 --> 00:13:17,833
for the VIP ticket

544
00:13:17,833 --> 00:13:19,125
holders, there was like

545
00:13:19,125 --> 00:13:20,958
Michelin star food.

546
00:13:20,958 --> 00:13:22,333
It was excellent.

547
00:13:22,333 --> 00:13:23,458
Like everything

548
00:13:23,458 --> 00:13:24,333
that was available

549
00:13:24,333 --> 00:13:25,208
was excellent.

550
00:13:25,208 --> 00:13:26,208
And I think like

551
00:13:26,208 --> 00:13:27,500
the quality of the content

552
00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:28,958
and the signal there was it

553
00:13:28,958 --> 00:13:30,000
extremely good.

554
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,458
So I was really happy

555
00:13:31,458 --> 00:13:32,291
to be a part of it

556
00:13:32,291 --> 00:13:33,666
and kind of get their vote

557
00:13:33,666 --> 00:13:35,208
of confidence to

558
00:13:35,208 --> 00:13:37,041
go in and design some stuff.

559
00:13:37,041 --> 00:13:37,458
And I think

560
00:13:37,458 --> 00:13:38,916
it turned out really, really

561
00:13:38,916 --> 00:13:40,208
beautifully, really awesome.

562
00:13:41,208 --> 00:13:42,791
Now I, I totally agree.

563
00:13:42,791 --> 00:13:43,958
I mean, the,

564
00:13:43,958 --> 00:13:45,500
the way we usually rate

565
00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:47,791
Bitcoin conferences is by the

566
00:13:47,791 --> 00:13:48,375
that the most

567
00:13:48,375 --> 00:13:49,250
important metric

568
00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:51,375
is the signal to noise ratio.

569
00:13:51,375 --> 00:13:53,333
And the BTC Prague

570
00:13:53,333 --> 00:13:55,208
is almost 100% signal.

571
00:13:55,208 --> 00:13:56,500
And that goes for,

572
00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:57,208
I would say that

573
00:13:57,208 --> 00:13:58,541
the European conferences

574
00:13:58,541 --> 00:13:59,000
are ahead

575
00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,041
of the American ones

576
00:14:00,041 --> 00:14:00,958
and the Asian ones

577
00:14:00,958 --> 00:14:01,583
here for sure,

578
00:14:01,583 --> 00:14:03,041
like with Atlantis,

579
00:14:03,041 --> 00:14:03,958
was of course

580
00:14:03,958 --> 00:14:05,250
high signal to noise.

581
00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:07,666
The BTC held will be too.

582
00:14:07,666 --> 00:14:08,250
And you know,

583
00:14:08,250 --> 00:14:09,375
we use code infinity

584
00:14:09,375 --> 00:14:10,625
for whatever

585
00:14:10,625 --> 00:14:12,583
percent off on all of them.

586
00:14:12,583 --> 00:14:14,000
And come to BTC Prague

587
00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:14,791
and see us three

588
00:14:14,791 --> 00:14:16,583
and the bunch of other dorks.

589
00:14:16,583 --> 00:14:18,625
Anyway.

590
00:14:18,625 --> 00:14:19,125
Yeah.

591
00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:19,666
Where are we?

592
00:14:19,666 --> 00:14:20,625
Luke, help me out here.

593
00:14:20,625 --> 00:14:21,916
I thought of the joke

594
00:14:21,916 --> 00:14:22,500
and not the

595
00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:23,750
anything else reading,

596
00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:24,958
that happens.

597
00:14:24,958 --> 00:14:26,125
You know, I mean,

598
00:14:26,125 --> 00:14:27,708
I think Prague actually was.

599
00:14:27,708 --> 00:14:28,125
It was our

600
00:14:28,125 --> 00:14:30,250
first time meeting, but but,

601
00:14:30,250 --> 00:14:31,750
the first time

602
00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:33,416
I consciously came across

603
00:14:33,416 --> 00:14:34,000
your work

604
00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,416
was when we were on Madeira.

605
00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:36,250
I'd seen the

606
00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:38,000
the logo before

607
00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000
a bunch, and I and

608
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,166
I, I'd never

609
00:14:40,166 --> 00:14:41,291
actually heard the story of,

610
00:14:41,291 --> 00:14:42,208
like, the, the logo

611
00:14:42,208 --> 00:14:42,750
and the branding

612
00:14:42,750 --> 00:14:43,208
and everything.

613
00:14:43,208 --> 00:14:44,625
So, you know,

614
00:14:44,625 --> 00:14:45,500
getting into the space,

615
00:14:45,500 --> 00:14:45,875
you don't know

616
00:14:45,875 --> 00:14:46,666
everyone immediately

617
00:14:46,666 --> 00:14:47,625
kind of thing.

618
00:14:47,625 --> 00:14:49,708
But I saw the,

619
00:14:49,708 --> 00:14:51,375
the, the logo and, and,

620
00:14:51,375 --> 00:14:52,583
what struck me about

621
00:14:52,583 --> 00:14:54,166
that was that this is the

622
00:14:54,166 --> 00:14:56,083
this is the manas rune for,

623
00:14:56,083 --> 00:14:58,666
for those into Old Norse

624
00:14:58,666 --> 00:14:59,583
and runes

625
00:14:59,583 --> 00:15:01,083
and stuff like that.

626
00:15:01,083 --> 00:15:01,833
Surprisingly,

627
00:15:01,833 --> 00:15:02,833
out of the two of us,

628
00:15:02,833 --> 00:15:03,375
me and Canada,

629
00:15:03,375 --> 00:15:04,041
I'm more into that

630
00:15:04,041 --> 00:15:05,000
than he is.

631
00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000
And, and and it was Eric

632
00:15:08,375 --> 00:15:09,333
who was wearing the,

633
00:15:09,333 --> 00:15:11,083
wearing the, the hoodie

634
00:15:11,083 --> 00:15:11,791
and I said,

635
00:15:11,791 --> 00:15:13,250
hey, nice, nice settings.

636
00:15:13,250 --> 00:15:13,875
Like, yeah, man

637
00:15:13,875 --> 00:15:16,291
made X made x. Okay, cool.

638
00:15:16,291 --> 00:15:17,750
So so that was,

639
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:18,375
that was the first thing.

640
00:15:18,375 --> 00:15:19,000
And you were supposed

641
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,291
to be on Madeira. Right?

642
00:15:20,291 --> 00:15:21,250
But it just didn't,

643
00:15:21,250 --> 00:15:23,458
it didn't work for reasons.

644
00:15:23,458 --> 00:15:24,458
Something like that.

645
00:15:24,458 --> 00:15:24,875
Yeah.

646
00:15:24,875 --> 00:15:25,666
I, I broke

647
00:15:25,666 --> 00:15:26,500
I broke my foot

648
00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:28,208
skiing like two days

649
00:15:28,208 --> 00:15:28,500
before

650
00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:29,750
I was supposed to leave

651
00:15:29,750 --> 00:15:30,541
and had to have,

652
00:15:30,541 --> 00:15:31,958
like, a major surgery on it,

653
00:15:31,958 --> 00:15:33,916
so I wasn't able to make it.

654
00:15:33,916 --> 00:15:34,250
Yeah,

655
00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:36,208
those Himalayas are really,

656
00:15:36,208 --> 00:15:37,291
really dangerous.

657
00:15:37,291 --> 00:15:38,458
You shouldn't do that.

658
00:15:38,458 --> 00:15:40,250
Devastating. Yeah.

659
00:15:41,500 --> 00:15:44,500
That's, That was a bad joke.

660
00:15:44,541 --> 00:15:45,916
No, no.

661
00:15:45,916 --> 00:15:47,208
So, so, like

662
00:15:47,208 --> 00:15:48,083
like then

663
00:15:48,083 --> 00:15:49,291
and then I got the story

664
00:15:49,291 --> 00:15:50,833
that, that you put this

665
00:15:50,833 --> 00:15:51,958
all together, but,

666
00:15:51,958 --> 00:15:52,916
I think one of the,

667
00:15:52,916 --> 00:15:53,625
one of the first things

668
00:15:53,625 --> 00:15:55,166
I was interested in is like,

669
00:15:55,166 --> 00:15:58,000
what, what what was this?

670
00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,791
The inspiration for this

671
00:15:59,791 --> 00:16:00,708
being your logo.

672
00:16:00,708 --> 00:16:02,750
This, this rune

673
00:16:02,750 --> 00:16:03,500
kind of thing here.

674
00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:04,208
And how does that tie

675
00:16:04,208 --> 00:16:04,750
into kind

676
00:16:04,750 --> 00:16:06,375
of your identity

677
00:16:06,375 --> 00:16:08,750
as an artist?

678
00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:11,750
Well, I think it's the

679
00:16:12,666 --> 00:16:14,541
the main,

680
00:16:14,541 --> 00:16:15,416
the main thing

681
00:16:15,416 --> 00:16:17,208
that our whole civilization

682
00:16:17,208 --> 00:16:17,875
has gotten away

683
00:16:17,875 --> 00:16:18,708
from is like,

684
00:16:18,708 --> 00:16:19,333
the power

685
00:16:19,333 --> 00:16:20,166
and the importance

686
00:16:20,166 --> 00:16:21,875
of the individual,

687
00:16:21,875 --> 00:16:24,041
and the man, as is

688
00:16:24,041 --> 00:16:26,166
a symbol of the individual.

689
00:16:26,166 --> 00:16:27,500
The self.

690
00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:30,208
And so it was the

691
00:16:30,208 --> 00:16:31,666
perfect thing to use

692
00:16:31,666 --> 00:16:33,041
to kind of anchor

693
00:16:33,041 --> 00:16:33,708
all the sort

694
00:16:33,708 --> 00:16:35,875
of objectivist ideologies

695
00:16:35,875 --> 00:16:37,416
and the capitalist ideologies

696
00:16:37,416 --> 00:16:38,000
and everything

697
00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,375
that I kind of stand for to,

698
00:16:40,375 --> 00:16:44,125
where in contrast to,

699
00:16:44,166 --> 00:16:45,041
you know,

700
00:16:45,041 --> 00:16:47,208
every everyone else who's,

701
00:16:47,208 --> 00:16:48,125
who's,

702
00:16:48,125 --> 00:16:49,291
parading around the

703
00:16:49,291 --> 00:16:51,208
hammer and sickle and,

704
00:16:52,333 --> 00:16:53,291
is focused

705
00:16:53,291 --> 00:16:54,166
on all that sort

706
00:16:54,166 --> 00:16:55,541
of collectivist crap,

707
00:16:55,541 --> 00:16:57,041
especially in the art world.

708
00:16:57,041 --> 00:16:58,750
So I wanted a symbol

709
00:16:58,750 --> 00:17:00,458
that just really

710
00:17:00,458 --> 00:17:01,041
that already

711
00:17:01,041 --> 00:17:02,333
had historic meeting

712
00:17:02,333 --> 00:17:02,666
and was

713
00:17:02,666 --> 00:17:04,500
instantly recognizable,

714
00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:07,375
and that already aligned

715
00:17:07,375 --> 00:17:08,333
with everything

716
00:17:08,333 --> 00:17:09,333
that I was

717
00:17:09,333 --> 00:17:11,541
in pursuit of broadcasting.

718
00:17:11,541 --> 00:17:13,875
And the man as symbol

719
00:17:13,875 --> 00:17:15,791
just eat organically

720
00:17:15,791 --> 00:17:16,708
from the universe.

721
00:17:16,708 --> 00:17:17,416
Just happened

722
00:17:17,416 --> 00:17:18,500
to kind of line up

723
00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:19,083
perfectly

724
00:17:19,083 --> 00:17:21,083
with the brand made X,

725
00:17:21,083 --> 00:17:22,666
which had existed

726
00:17:22,666 --> 00:17:23,625
kind of long before

727
00:17:23,625 --> 00:17:26,000
I decided to use the man as,

728
00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,583
so I discovered

729
00:17:27,583 --> 00:17:28,375
it just even in

730
00:17:28,375 --> 00:17:29,166
playing around,

731
00:17:29,166 --> 00:17:29,750
because I was trying

732
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:30,333
to figure out,

733
00:17:30,333 --> 00:17:31,750
like a seagull.

734
00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:32,666
And then right away

735
00:17:32,666 --> 00:17:34,000
I drew it out and knew

736
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,083
it was the Viking ruined.

737
00:17:36,083 --> 00:17:39,041
And then I had sort of

738
00:17:39,041 --> 00:17:39,750
this profound

739
00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:41,416
realization of the kind

740
00:17:41,416 --> 00:17:43,458
of overlaying ideas.

741
00:17:43,458 --> 00:17:45,666
So it was perfect.

742
00:17:45,666 --> 00:17:46,500
And,

743
00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:47,041
I think

744
00:17:47,041 --> 00:17:48,166
wherever the man is,

745
00:17:48,166 --> 00:17:49,541
is naturally,

746
00:17:49,541 --> 00:17:50,708
for the most part,

747
00:17:50,708 --> 00:17:51,625
you know,

748
00:17:51,625 --> 00:17:52,291
lots of people

749
00:17:52,291 --> 00:17:53,083
try and corrupt

750
00:17:53,083 --> 00:17:54,708
and co-opt symbols,

751
00:17:54,708 --> 00:17:56,250
but, there, there

752
00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:57,916
is that sort of

753
00:17:57,916 --> 00:17:59,750
it does still kind of carry

754
00:17:59,750 --> 00:18:01,083
its ancient meaning.

755
00:18:01,083 --> 00:18:02,333
And so my goal is, mate

756
00:18:02,333 --> 00:18:03,791
X is just to kind of add

757
00:18:03,791 --> 00:18:04,833
and contribute to that

758
00:18:04,833 --> 00:18:06,083
and then also

759
00:18:06,083 --> 00:18:08,125
apply a lot of the,

760
00:18:09,125 --> 00:18:09,750
make, make

761
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:11,250
the symbol synonymous

762
00:18:11,250 --> 00:18:14,875
with all the ideas

763
00:18:14,875 --> 00:18:16,708
that we really push forward

764
00:18:16,708 --> 00:18:17,791
in Bitcoin,

765
00:18:17,791 --> 00:18:19,750
and that are

766
00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:21,083
well explained and,

767
00:18:21,083 --> 00:18:22,375
and well described

768
00:18:22,375 --> 00:18:23,458
and well thought through

769
00:18:23,458 --> 00:18:26,458
in a lot of, Rand's texts.

770
00:18:26,875 --> 00:18:28,000
Oh, I absolutely love it.

771
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,875
And, well, my,

772
00:18:29,875 --> 00:18:31,750
my exposure to kind of this,

773
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:33,708
this cultural side of things,

774
00:18:33,708 --> 00:18:34,250
maybe this

775
00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:35,291
is more of a story

776
00:18:35,291 --> 00:18:38,166
for another time, but but,

777
00:18:38,166 --> 00:18:39,083
but let's like,

778
00:18:39,083 --> 00:18:40,125
let's just say that

779
00:18:40,125 --> 00:18:41,916
that I've also been kind of

780
00:18:41,916 --> 00:18:45,041
into this, this, exploring,

781
00:18:45,041 --> 00:18:46,250
these older symbols

782
00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:47,166
and older traditions

783
00:18:47,166 --> 00:18:48,708
and things like that.

784
00:18:48,708 --> 00:18:49,416
And.

785
00:18:49,416 --> 00:18:50,541
Yeah, I mean,

786
00:18:50,541 --> 00:18:52,333
I just loved seeing its usage

787
00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:53,458
and then hearing you explain

788
00:18:53,458 --> 00:18:55,458
it, it's just right on, man.

789
00:18:55,458 --> 00:18:59,083
Like like, it's exactly the,

790
00:19:00,125 --> 00:19:01,708
it's such a good symbol

791
00:19:01,708 --> 00:19:02,375
for what it is.

792
00:19:02,375 --> 00:19:03,708
And thankfully, it's it's

793
00:19:03,708 --> 00:19:07,333
not one of these, more badly

794
00:19:07,791 --> 00:19:08,958
co-opted symbols

795
00:19:08,958 --> 00:19:12,250
in the sort of Viking Norse

796
00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:14,750
sphere, like the S symbol

797
00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:15,791
is, is,

798
00:19:15,791 --> 00:19:18,166
much more associated

799
00:19:18,166 --> 00:19:20,083
with fascism, for example.

800
00:19:20,083 --> 00:19:21,958
But, no.

801
00:19:21,958 --> 00:19:23,041
So, so basically

802
00:19:23,041 --> 00:19:24,250
it's it's like this, this,

803
00:19:25,416 --> 00:19:27,000
synchronicity, this, this

804
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:27,958
free symbol.

805
00:19:27,958 --> 00:19:29,333
It doesn't have any usage yet

806
00:19:29,333 --> 00:19:30,250
in the community,

807
00:19:30,250 --> 00:19:31,583
but it means exactly

808
00:19:31,583 --> 00:19:32,416
what you're saying

809
00:19:32,416 --> 00:19:33,291
it means already.

810
00:19:33,291 --> 00:19:34,458
And, now

811
00:19:34,458 --> 00:19:35,291
I just love,

812
00:19:35,291 --> 00:19:38,291
seeing it out there and,

813
00:19:38,791 --> 00:19:41,000
the the

814
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:41,500
the way

815
00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:42,333
you you

816
00:19:42,333 --> 00:19:43,333
put your work together

817
00:19:43,333 --> 00:19:43,833
as well,

818
00:19:43,833 --> 00:19:44,833
these compositions,

819
00:19:44,833 --> 00:19:45,458
they, they,

820
00:19:45,458 --> 00:19:46,875
they draw a lot of

821
00:19:46,875 --> 00:19:48,541
different kinds of symbolism.

822
00:19:48,541 --> 00:19:50,750
And, and I can always tell

823
00:19:50,750 --> 00:19:53,750
when something is a made ex.

824
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:55,250
But but it's not like,

825
00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:56,000
it's not like,

826
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,500
you only make the same

827
00:19:58,500 --> 00:19:59,291
kind of thing.

828
00:19:59,291 --> 00:19:59,833
Like, it's, it's

829
00:19:59,833 --> 00:20:00,958
not so much like fractal

830
00:20:00,958 --> 00:20:02,125
who makes these amazing

831
00:20:02,125 --> 00:20:03,791
pieces, obviously,

832
00:20:03,791 --> 00:20:04,458
that every single

833
00:20:04,458 --> 00:20:05,208
one of them is amazing.

834
00:20:05,208 --> 00:20:06,541
But he's he said himself

835
00:20:06,541 --> 00:20:07,000
that he makes

836
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,208
a lot of circles.

837
00:20:08,208 --> 00:20:09,500
And you can kind of tell

838
00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:10,625
that it's that it's,

839
00:20:10,625 --> 00:20:11,500
that it is.

840
00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:12,291
It's his work.

841
00:20:12,291 --> 00:20:13,000
So, like,

842
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,125
what's your creative process

843
00:20:15,125 --> 00:20:16,125
in, in,

844
00:20:16,125 --> 00:20:17,083
putting your art together?

845
00:20:19,541 --> 00:20:19,875
Yeah.

846
00:20:19,875 --> 00:20:20,625
Well, the,

847
00:20:20,625 --> 00:20:21,750
the whole

848
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:23,416
concept that I have behind

849
00:20:23,416 --> 00:20:24,041
the project

850
00:20:24,041 --> 00:20:25,833
is that it's sort of,

851
00:20:25,833 --> 00:20:27,833
emergent art.

852
00:20:27,833 --> 00:20:29,958
It was originally inspired

853
00:20:29,958 --> 00:20:31,458
by seeing kind

854
00:20:31,458 --> 00:20:34,583
of all these, billboards

855
00:20:34,583 --> 00:20:35,416
as I was traveling

856
00:20:35,416 --> 00:20:38,166
when I was younger that had,

857
00:20:38,166 --> 00:20:41,125
how they operate

858
00:20:41,125 --> 00:20:41,958
is what we pay.

859
00:20:41,958 --> 00:20:43,833
So the different ad posters

860
00:20:43,833 --> 00:20:45,041
will go up on them

861
00:20:45,041 --> 00:20:46,583
with wheat paste.

862
00:20:46,583 --> 00:20:48,041
And so

863
00:20:48,041 --> 00:20:49,666
they're glued to the wall

864
00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:51,458
and then the billboard area

865
00:20:51,458 --> 00:20:53,000
and then they're ripped down,

866
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,583
and then a new ad goes up

867
00:20:54,583 --> 00:20:56,041
and kind of over time

868
00:20:56,041 --> 00:20:57,000
when these billboards

869
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,791
get like quite old,

870
00:20:58,791 --> 00:20:59,375
there's sort of

871
00:20:59,375 --> 00:21:00,583
like a history

872
00:21:00,583 --> 00:21:01,250
of everything

873
00:21:01,250 --> 00:21:03,375
that's ever been on them.

874
00:21:03,375 --> 00:21:04,125
That just kind of

875
00:21:04,125 --> 00:21:06,041
naturally emerges

876
00:21:06,041 --> 00:21:07,041
out of, out of,

877
00:21:07,041 --> 00:21:08,416
like the constant cycling

878
00:21:08,416 --> 00:21:09,750
of the wheat paste.

879
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:13,125
Ad so I kind of that became

880
00:21:13,125 --> 00:21:14,375
sort of the basis

881
00:21:14,375 --> 00:21:16,583
and I'm, I was trying to

882
00:21:16,583 --> 00:21:17,416
sort of recreate

883
00:21:17,416 --> 00:21:18,208
that process,

884
00:21:18,208 --> 00:21:20,041
but kind of more controlled.

885
00:21:20,041 --> 00:21:24,375
And so everything has tons

886
00:21:24,375 --> 00:21:26,333
and it's all extremely

887
00:21:26,333 --> 00:21:27,750
layered work.

888
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:30,208
And there's kind of

889
00:21:30,208 --> 00:21:32,000
I try to keep

890
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,208
everything kind of in line

891
00:21:34,208 --> 00:21:34,875
in some way,

892
00:21:34,875 --> 00:21:36,583
but then also have like,

893
00:21:36,583 --> 00:21:39,416
just random noise,

894
00:21:39,416 --> 00:21:41,125
in them as well.

895
00:21:43,208 --> 00:21:45,166
And I like

896
00:21:45,166 --> 00:21:46,166
for the background,

897
00:21:46,166 --> 00:21:46,875
a lot of the text

898
00:21:46,875 --> 00:21:47,416
and stuff

899
00:21:47,416 --> 00:21:49,333
is all like in texts

900
00:21:49,333 --> 00:21:51,083
that I think are important.

901
00:21:51,083 --> 00:21:53,291
And that should be read.

902
00:21:53,291 --> 00:21:55,375
And it's sort of kind of it's

903
00:21:55,375 --> 00:21:59,833
like, crumb trail of, bit

904
00:21:59,833 --> 00:22:01,583
bits and pieces

905
00:22:01,583 --> 00:22:02,875
that need to be assembled

906
00:22:02,875 --> 00:22:04,916
to kind of become,

907
00:22:04,916 --> 00:22:06,250
someone who

908
00:22:06,250 --> 00:22:07,750
can, can really start

909
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:08,500
to understand

910
00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:10,500
why hard money is important

911
00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:11,666
and why an incorruptible

912
00:22:11,666 --> 00:22:14,375
money system is is important.

913
00:22:14,375 --> 00:22:16,458
And why, you know, trade

914
00:22:16,458 --> 00:22:17,583
and the effort,

915
00:22:17,583 --> 00:22:21,000
the effort and work is the,

916
00:22:21,208 --> 00:22:22,458
the most important thing

917
00:22:22,458 --> 00:22:23,625
that you can kind of focus

918
00:22:23,625 --> 00:22:25,833
on, to derive meaning.

919
00:22:25,833 --> 00:22:27,291
And so,

920
00:22:27,291 --> 00:22:30,291
all the elements are just.

921
00:22:33,250 --> 00:22:35,041
I want to make it so that,

922
00:22:35,041 --> 00:22:36,708
every single piece

923
00:22:36,708 --> 00:22:37,125
that's out

924
00:22:37,125 --> 00:22:37,833
there is kind of

925
00:22:37,833 --> 00:22:39,708
an investigation,

926
00:22:39,708 --> 00:22:42,791
and sort of a reflection on

927
00:22:44,666 --> 00:22:45,708
the past,

928
00:22:45,708 --> 00:22:47,708
the kind of what's available,

929
00:22:47,708 --> 00:22:48,708
what's going on.

930
00:22:48,708 --> 00:22:49,791
And then also kind of a

931
00:22:49,791 --> 00:22:51,916
look into the future and,

932
00:22:51,916 --> 00:22:53,375
I guess I

933
00:22:53,375 --> 00:22:55,333
hope and I hope for,

934
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:56,833
for what's coming and,

935
00:22:56,833 --> 00:22:57,916
and what can be changed

936
00:22:57,916 --> 00:22:58,500
in this world

937
00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:01,666
to stop the sort of mass

938
00:23:01,666 --> 00:23:03,041
corruption and mass

939
00:23:03,041 --> 00:23:05,416
mass theft.

940
00:23:05,416 --> 00:23:06,166
I mean, corruption

941
00:23:06,166 --> 00:23:07,000
will never get rid of,

942
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,666
but at least we can

943
00:23:08,666 --> 00:23:09,958
level the playing field

944
00:23:09,958 --> 00:23:11,416
and make it a fair game.

945
00:23:11,416 --> 00:23:12,041
And, you know,

946
00:23:12,041 --> 00:23:13,416
all the horrible things about

947
00:23:13,416 --> 00:23:15,041
mankind will always exist.

948
00:23:15,041 --> 00:23:18,041
But, with Bitcoin, at least

949
00:23:18,333 --> 00:23:20,333
the ledger is fair

950
00:23:20,333 --> 00:23:21,958
and trustworthy.

951
00:23:21,958 --> 00:23:24,333
So no one can cheat from

952
00:23:24,333 --> 00:23:25,000
from that,

953
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,166
which is kind of the core

954
00:23:26,166 --> 00:23:27,333
of obviously

955
00:23:27,333 --> 00:23:28,375
everything we have.

956
00:23:28,375 --> 00:23:31,458
So, yeah.

957
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,791
The answer is that

958
00:23:33,791 --> 00:23:34,500
no, the way

959
00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:35,875
we we fix things

960
00:23:35,875 --> 00:23:36,791
by making them

961
00:23:36,791 --> 00:23:37,916
less profitable,

962
00:23:37,916 --> 00:23:38,958
basically,

963
00:23:38,958 --> 00:23:41,625
which you make violence and

964
00:23:41,625 --> 00:23:43,166
and voting people

965
00:23:43,166 --> 00:23:44,416
less, less profitable

966
00:23:44,416 --> 00:23:45,166
because it's harder

967
00:23:45,166 --> 00:23:46,458
to take their stuff

968
00:23:46,458 --> 00:23:47,833
when it's in their heads.

969
00:23:47,833 --> 00:23:49,000
The in the victims, in

970
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,000
the head of the victim.

971
00:23:51,166 --> 00:23:52,125
Mr..

972
00:23:52,125 --> 00:23:53,083
Hello there.

973
00:23:53,083 --> 00:23:54,416
And here's

974
00:23:54,416 --> 00:23:56,125
how to use code infinity

975
00:23:56,125 --> 00:23:56,833
like everywhere

976
00:23:56,833 --> 00:23:58,041
on the internet.

977
00:23:58,041 --> 00:23:58,958
For instance

978
00:23:58,958 --> 00:24:02,083
for the MicroStrategy Bitcoin

979
00:24:02,083 --> 00:24:04,916
for corporations, conference

980
00:24:04,916 --> 00:24:06,708
for BTC, frog for BTC.

981
00:24:06,708 --> 00:24:07,000
Hell,

982
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,916
we come to Helsinki in August

983
00:24:08,916 --> 00:24:10,791
and make sure T goes

984
00:24:10,791 --> 00:24:11,833
stamp seed

985
00:24:11,833 --> 00:24:13,250
with your three fantastic

986
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:15,083
little C plates.

987
00:24:15,083 --> 00:24:16,583
You can get the infinite,

988
00:24:16,583 --> 00:24:18,750
the over 21 million, this,

989
00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:20,458
special plates.

990
00:24:20,458 --> 00:24:21,958
But we collaborated

991
00:24:21,958 --> 00:24:24,958
with them and, making,

992
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:26,291
use code Infinity

993
00:24:26,291 --> 00:24:27,916
for a discount.

994
00:24:27,916 --> 00:24:29,541
Same thing goes for

995
00:24:29,541 --> 00:24:30,291
our favorite

996
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hardware, Walmart B big box.

997
00:24:32,416 --> 00:24:33,833
So to the spirit

998
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box, dot Swiss.

999
00:24:34,875 --> 00:24:37,500
So get that,

1000
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:39,208
the Bitcoin advisor

1001
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for bitcoin inheritance

1002
00:24:40,375 --> 00:24:41,500
planning and so on

1003
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and so forth.

1004
00:24:42,125 --> 00:24:43,833
And the general advice

1005
00:24:43,833 --> 00:24:45,750
Bitcoin advisor.com.

1006
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:46,416
And make sure

1007
00:24:46,416 --> 00:24:47,458
to like subscribe

1008
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and brush your feet

1009
00:24:48,333 --> 00:24:48,958
and all that

1010
00:24:48,958 --> 00:24:51,291
for the Bitcoin infinity.com

1011
00:24:51,291 --> 00:24:52,583
and get some stuff

1012
00:24:52,583 --> 00:24:53,208
and some books.

1013
00:24:54,416 --> 00:24:55,750
Great to have you here.

1014
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:56,375
I love this

1015
00:24:56,375 --> 00:24:57,708
Objectivism angle.

1016
00:24:57,708 --> 00:24:59,291
And,

1017
00:24:59,291 --> 00:25:00,375
as you probably know,

1018
00:25:00,375 --> 00:25:01,125
I'm a deep

1019
00:25:01,125 --> 00:25:04,125
into Austrian economics and,

1020
00:25:04,333 --> 00:25:05,791
mazes.

1021
00:25:05,791 --> 00:25:07,416
Many people don't like mazes

1022
00:25:07,416 --> 00:25:08,333
because they think it's

1023
00:25:08,333 --> 00:25:08,958
too tedious

1024
00:25:08,958 --> 00:25:10,208
to read human action.

1025
00:25:10,208 --> 00:25:11,750
I read it three times,

1026
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:13,750
and I love the writing in it.

1027
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:14,958
I love these long,

1028
00:25:14,958 --> 00:25:16,750
complicated German

1029
00:25:16,750 --> 00:25:17,958
sounding sentences.

1030
00:25:17,958 --> 00:25:19,125
And,

1031
00:25:19,125 --> 00:25:20,208
one thing about him

1032
00:25:20,208 --> 00:25:21,750
and Objectivism and I

1033
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:22,875
in Rand that I didn't know

1034
00:25:22,875 --> 00:25:23,416
before,

1035
00:25:23,416 --> 00:25:24,791
before deep diving into it,

1036
00:25:24,791 --> 00:25:26,833
is that they were friends.

1037
00:25:26,833 --> 00:25:27,208
They have

1038
00:25:27,208 --> 00:25:28,250
a similar background.

1039
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:30,875
They both came from fled.

1040
00:25:30,875 --> 00:25:32,500
Fled the Russian invasion

1041
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:34,125
or the Soviet invasion,

1042
00:25:34,125 --> 00:25:34,666
basically,

1043
00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:35,708
and fled to America

1044
00:25:35,708 --> 00:25:37,416
and got to know each other

1045
00:25:37,416 --> 00:25:38,083
over there.

1046
00:25:38,083 --> 00:25:41,541
And

1047
00:25:43,125 --> 00:25:44,750
of course,

1048
00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:46,625
Objectivism is

1049
00:25:46,625 --> 00:25:50,208
very much the philosophical,

1050
00:25:50,208 --> 00:25:51,666
branch of, of,

1051
00:25:51,666 --> 00:25:52,708
praxis,

1052
00:25:52,708 --> 00:25:53,750
logical thought and,

1053
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:55,458
and Austrian economics,

1054
00:25:55,458 --> 00:25:56,500
basically every,

1055
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,125
every man for himself

1056
00:25:58,125 --> 00:26:00,208
leads to more ethical results

1057
00:26:00,208 --> 00:26:01,208
in the end.

1058
00:26:01,208 --> 00:26:03,375
As long as you don't, like,

1059
00:26:03,375 --> 00:26:04,458
intrude on other people's,

1060
00:26:05,541 --> 00:26:07,125
property and,

1061
00:26:07,125 --> 00:26:10,125
it's, it's,

1062
00:26:12,708 --> 00:26:14,958
severely underappreciated,

1063
00:26:14,958 --> 00:26:15,458
I think.

1064
00:26:15,458 --> 00:26:16,458
And people should,

1065
00:26:16,458 --> 00:26:17,916
should look more into old,

1066
00:26:17,916 --> 00:26:20,625
Ayn Rand interviews and,

1067
00:26:20,625 --> 00:26:21,833
the into Objectivism

1068
00:26:21,833 --> 00:26:22,708
in general

1069
00:26:22,708 --> 00:26:23,625
because it's somewhat

1070
00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:24,416
forgotten

1071
00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,083
and it's such a great,

1072
00:26:26,083 --> 00:26:27,666
a great framework.

1073
00:26:27,666 --> 00:26:28,166
And so,

1074
00:26:28,166 --> 00:26:29,916
so what's, what's your

1075
00:26:29,916 --> 00:26:30,708
what's your take

1076
00:26:30,708 --> 00:26:32,166
on objectivism and like,

1077
00:26:32,166 --> 00:26:32,875
what's

1078
00:26:32,875 --> 00:26:33,916
how would you explain it

1079
00:26:33,916 --> 00:26:35,833
to people?

1080
00:26:35,833 --> 00:26:36,250
Yeah,

1081
00:26:36,250 --> 00:26:37,083
I think it's

1082
00:26:37,083 --> 00:26:38,500
just so important for people

1083
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:40,625
to get into into the texts.

1084
00:26:40,625 --> 00:26:41,625
And like

1085
00:26:41,625 --> 00:26:42,791
I've had a lot of comments

1086
00:26:42,791 --> 00:26:43,916
because every

1087
00:26:43,916 --> 00:26:44,833
single piece of art

1088
00:26:44,833 --> 00:26:47,500
has like the John Galt quote

1089
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:48,833
on the back of it,

1090
00:26:48,833 --> 00:26:50,125
and I broadcast

1091
00:26:50,125 --> 00:26:51,041
that quite heavily.

1092
00:26:51,041 --> 00:26:52,125
And so I've had some kind of

1093
00:26:52,125 --> 00:26:54,708
like, hardcore Rand people,

1094
00:26:54,708 --> 00:26:56,208
be upset with me

1095
00:26:56,208 --> 00:26:57,791
about, like, using it.

1096
00:26:57,791 --> 00:26:58,791
And I'm

1097
00:26:58,791 --> 00:26:59,708
what I've been trying to

1098
00:26:59,708 --> 00:27:00,958
communicate is like,

1099
00:27:00,958 --> 00:27:03,000
this is about broadcasting

1100
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,875
the signal and about making,

1101
00:27:06,875 --> 00:27:08,291
the work that she made

1102
00:27:08,291 --> 00:27:09,583
and the work of these other,

1103
00:27:09,583 --> 00:27:11,875
Austrian economics and,

1104
00:27:11,875 --> 00:27:13,083
all these people

1105
00:27:13,083 --> 00:27:14,041
who have

1106
00:27:14,041 --> 00:27:15,666
contributed literature

1107
00:27:15,666 --> 00:27:17,666
that is extremely useful

1108
00:27:17,666 --> 00:27:19,750
in sort of deriving,

1109
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:21,708
happiness from, from,

1110
00:27:21,708 --> 00:27:23,083
the sort of

1111
00:27:23,083 --> 00:27:25,916
their pure essence of life,

1112
00:27:25,916 --> 00:27:27,166
and making all that stuff

1113
00:27:27,166 --> 00:27:28,500
really fucking cool

1114
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:30,000
and really interesting

1115
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,291
and really

1116
00:27:31,291 --> 00:27:34,416
like bringing people into to

1117
00:27:34,583 --> 00:27:35,250
read it

1118
00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:36,166
and then sort of

1119
00:27:36,166 --> 00:27:38,000
make their own conclusions,

1120
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,666
which I think unless

1121
00:27:39,666 --> 00:27:41,583
you're like, completely,

1122
00:27:43,625 --> 00:27:46,125
totally washed by,

1123
00:27:46,125 --> 00:27:46,750
you know,

1124
00:27:46,750 --> 00:27:47,416
some of the

1125
00:27:47,416 --> 00:27:48,750
institutions out there

1126
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:49,250
or some of the

1127
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:52,333
totally radical, let's,

1128
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:53,541
let's take everyone

1129
00:27:53,541 --> 00:27:54,416
else's stuff

1130
00:27:54,416 --> 00:27:56,833
sort of idea ideologies.

1131
00:27:56,833 --> 00:27:58,291
I think it all it's

1132
00:27:58,291 --> 00:27:59,625
just, like, very natural.

1133
00:27:59,625 --> 00:28:00,291
And in line

1134
00:28:00,291 --> 00:28:01,875
with human nature.

1135
00:28:01,875 --> 00:28:03,250
And if you don't

1136
00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:05,166
have that, like,

1137
00:28:05,166 --> 00:28:06,916
parasitic programing

1138
00:28:06,916 --> 00:28:08,250
slammed into you

1139
00:28:08,250 --> 00:28:10,000
from from some school

1140
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,458
somewhere,

1141
00:28:11,458 --> 00:28:12,041
that you'll,

1142
00:28:12,041 --> 00:28:13,541
you'll take to it

1143
00:28:13,541 --> 00:28:16,541
very, very easily.

1144
00:28:16,916 --> 00:28:19,333
So I,

1145
00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:22,666
I want to get as much of the,

1146
00:28:22,666 --> 00:28:24,250
the lines and the messages

1147
00:28:24,250 --> 00:28:25,000
and the pieces

1148
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,958
out as possible.

1149
00:28:25,958 --> 00:28:27,291
And I think that

1150
00:28:27,291 --> 00:28:28,666
what is an amazing way to do

1151
00:28:28,666 --> 00:28:30,583
that is to have it

1152
00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:31,958
like in the art

1153
00:28:31,958 --> 00:28:32,625
and then have

1154
00:28:32,625 --> 00:28:33,708
the art be cool,

1155
00:28:33,708 --> 00:28:35,333
and then kind of the whole

1156
00:28:35,333 --> 00:28:36,375
the companies and the

1157
00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:38,250
and and the works around it

1158
00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:38,791
be cool

1159
00:28:38,791 --> 00:28:39,958
and just make the whole thing

1160
00:28:39,958 --> 00:28:41,083
like very attractive

1161
00:28:41,083 --> 00:28:42,541
to get into.

1162
00:28:42,541 --> 00:28:45,000
And then, you know, my, I

1163
00:28:46,875 --> 00:28:48,125
shortest form

1164
00:28:48,125 --> 00:28:49,583
take on Objectivism

1165
00:28:49,583 --> 00:28:50,291
is that like,

1166
00:28:50,291 --> 00:28:50,708
I don't think

1167
00:28:50,708 --> 00:28:51,916
there's any argument

1168
00:28:51,916 --> 00:28:54,333
on like,

1169
00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:55,875
like what's beautiful or not.

1170
00:28:55,875 --> 00:28:57,916
I think that no matter

1171
00:28:57,916 --> 00:28:59,708
who or who you are

1172
00:28:59,708 --> 00:29:01,166
or where you come from,

1173
00:29:01,166 --> 00:29:02,166
you can

1174
00:29:02,166 --> 00:29:03,208
you'll admire

1175
00:29:03,208 --> 00:29:05,166
a cathedral over a

1176
00:29:05,166 --> 00:29:06,708
just solid,

1177
00:29:06,708 --> 00:29:07,541
soulless,

1178
00:29:07,541 --> 00:29:08,625
soul crushing

1179
00:29:08,625 --> 00:29:09,625
sort of concrete

1180
00:29:09,625 --> 00:29:11,500
monoliths building.

1181
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,750
I think that that's just

1182
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:14,750
it doesn't matter

1183
00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:15,708
what your background

1184
00:29:15,708 --> 00:29:17,541
is, you'll you'll appreciate,

1185
00:29:17,541 --> 00:29:21,250
you know, that that the

1186
00:29:21,250 --> 00:29:22,750
that the beauty is objective

1187
00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:23,541
and it's not,

1188
00:29:23,541 --> 00:29:25,666
I think that if,

1189
00:29:25,666 --> 00:29:26,750
if something requires

1190
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:28,125
a long

1191
00:29:28,125 --> 00:29:30,041
write up explaining, like,

1192
00:29:30,041 --> 00:29:31,000
why it's good

1193
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,375
art, that it's

1194
00:29:32,375 --> 00:29:35,250
probably not good art,

1195
00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:37,541
or even worse, existing.

1196
00:29:37,541 --> 00:29:38,750
Really?

1197
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:39,416
You mean so.

1198
00:29:39,416 --> 00:29:40,250
So that paper

1199
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:41,291
telling you how to.

1200
00:29:41,291 --> 00:29:42,291
How you can.

1201
00:29:42,291 --> 00:29:43,125
How you are allowed

1202
00:29:43,125 --> 00:29:44,416
to replace the banana

1203
00:29:44,416 --> 00:29:45,833
with new duct tape when

1204
00:29:45,833 --> 00:29:47,208
when it goes moldy?

1205
00:29:48,541 --> 00:29:49,875
Doesn't explain why the

1206
00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:51,625
banana duct taped to a wall

1207
00:29:51,625 --> 00:29:53,625
is is beautiful.

1208
00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:55,333
Yeah.

1209
00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:57,166
That's not what

1210
00:29:57,166 --> 00:29:59,375
I mean.

1211
00:29:59,375 --> 00:30:00,208
No, it's.

1212
00:30:00,208 --> 00:30:02,500
You made a little video about

1213
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:04,458
being uncompromising in

1214
00:30:04,458 --> 00:30:05,416
in doing your art

1215
00:30:05,416 --> 00:30:06,041
that I saw that

1216
00:30:06,041 --> 00:30:07,041
I really liked

1217
00:30:07,041 --> 00:30:08,000
about about

1218
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,208
these moral virtues.

1219
00:30:10,208 --> 00:30:11,791
Like, according to Ayn Rand,

1220
00:30:11,791 --> 00:30:12,375
like the

1221
00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:15,791
her Tldr on Objectivism is,

1222
00:30:15,791 --> 00:30:18,791
the concept of man as, heroic

1223
00:30:18,791 --> 00:30:19,875
being with his own

1224
00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:20,666
happiness,

1225
00:30:20,666 --> 00:30:21,875
as the moral purpose

1226
00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:22,750
of his life

1227
00:30:22,750 --> 00:30:24,083
with productive achievement

1228
00:30:24,083 --> 00:30:25,916
as his noblest activity

1229
00:30:25,916 --> 00:30:26,791
and reason

1230
00:30:26,791 --> 00:30:28,791
as his only absolute,

1231
00:30:28,791 --> 00:30:30,041
which which I like.

1232
00:30:30,041 --> 00:30:31,916
I, or I even love.

1233
00:30:31,916 --> 00:30:32,500
I think it's

1234
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,916
it's a natural evolution of,

1235
00:30:36,416 --> 00:30:38,083
you know,

1236
00:30:38,083 --> 00:30:39,458
stoicism

1237
00:30:39,458 --> 00:30:40,375
and Marcus Aurelius.

1238
00:30:40,375 --> 00:30:41,625
It's very much,

1239
00:30:41,625 --> 00:30:43,500
very much in the same vein,

1240
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:46,125
as so many of these,

1241
00:30:46,125 --> 00:30:47,166
philosophers have,

1242
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,041
thought before,

1243
00:30:51,041 --> 00:30:52,458
before, Rand.

1244
00:30:52,458 --> 00:30:54,166
But but that little video

1245
00:30:54,166 --> 00:30:55,375
is really,

1246
00:30:55,375 --> 00:30:57,250
like, encapsulate the whole

1247
00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:58,791
the whole ethics of the thing

1248
00:30:58,791 --> 00:31:00,416
and the whole,

1249
00:31:00,416 --> 00:31:01,833
like, never compromise

1250
00:31:01,833 --> 00:31:02,833
where they are. Integrity.

1251
00:31:02,833 --> 00:31:03,708
Never compromise

1252
00:31:03,708 --> 00:31:05,166
with your excellence.

1253
00:31:05,166 --> 00:31:06,291
If you can be excellent,

1254
00:31:06,291 --> 00:31:07,541
be excellent. Like.

1255
00:31:07,541 --> 00:31:09,041
Except if you can be Batman

1256
00:31:09,041 --> 00:31:09,708
and be Batman.

1257
00:31:09,708 --> 00:31:10,875
But, you know,

1258
00:31:10,875 --> 00:31:13,000
I liked it a lot.

1259
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Yeah, I think that it's.

1260
00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:18,791
The whole fiat

1261
00:31:18,791 --> 00:31:20,666
system is set up in this way

1262
00:31:20,666 --> 00:31:21,500
that doesn't,

1263
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:23,541
reward

1264
00:31:23,541 --> 00:31:26,000
the contributors properly.

1265
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,916
And so

1266
00:31:28,916 --> 00:31:31,250
it, like, even just something

1267
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:34,250
simple like,

1268
00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:35,791
How money is supposed to

1269
00:31:35,791 --> 00:31:36,708
work is the people

1270
00:31:36,708 --> 00:31:38,125
who are the most productive

1271
00:31:38,125 --> 00:31:38,833
and contributing

1272
00:31:38,833 --> 00:31:40,458
the most to civilization

1273
00:31:40,458 --> 00:31:42,916
become the wealthiest.

1274
00:31:42,916 --> 00:31:43,916
And that's pretty like

1275
00:31:43,916 --> 00:31:45,291
that's pretty hardwired

1276
00:31:45,291 --> 00:31:47,333
into us. I think that's just

1277
00:31:48,416 --> 00:31:49,791
it's almost,

1278
00:31:49,791 --> 00:31:51,708
you know, in our instinct,

1279
00:31:51,708 --> 00:31:53,750
to understand that.

1280
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:54,708
And right now

1281
00:31:54,708 --> 00:31:56,416
that system is broken.

1282
00:31:56,416 --> 00:31:57,833
And,

1283
00:31:57,833 --> 00:31:58,333
people

1284
00:31:58,333 --> 00:31:59,416
who are

1285
00:31:59,416 --> 00:32:01,333
the least productive,

1286
00:32:01,333 --> 00:32:04,333
have found a way to

1287
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,333
take the wealth from,

1288
00:32:07,333 --> 00:32:08,291
from producers

1289
00:32:08,291 --> 00:32:08,791
and from,

1290
00:32:08,791 --> 00:32:09,875
from the actual

1291
00:32:09,875 --> 00:32:10,916
kind of minds

1292
00:32:10,916 --> 00:32:12,250
that drive the world.

1293
00:32:12,250 --> 00:32:13,125
And so now we have

1294
00:32:13,125 --> 00:32:16,125
this sort of backwards,

1295
00:32:16,875 --> 00:32:18,666
that, this backwards thing

1296
00:32:18,666 --> 00:32:20,083
where we have, like, respect

1297
00:32:20,083 --> 00:32:21,541
for the investment banker,

1298
00:32:21,541 --> 00:32:22,500
but we don't have

1299
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:23,958
respect for like,

1300
00:32:23,958 --> 00:32:24,791
the guy who runs

1301
00:32:24,791 --> 00:32:26,125
a plumbing company,

1302
00:32:26,125 --> 00:32:26,708
you know,

1303
00:32:26,708 --> 00:32:27,791
or a framing company

1304
00:32:27,791 --> 00:32:29,166
or something like that.

1305
00:32:29,166 --> 00:32:29,958
Even though,

1306
00:32:29,958 --> 00:32:30,666
like the,

1307
00:32:30,666 --> 00:32:32,291
the actual

1308
00:32:32,291 --> 00:32:33,875
contribution on one side

1309
00:32:33,875 --> 00:32:36,083
is much greater.

1310
00:32:36,083 --> 00:32:38,000
And

1311
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,333
like

1312
00:32:39,333 --> 00:32:42,041
all of that stuff being,

1313
00:32:42,041 --> 00:32:45,041
being reset and, and,

1314
00:32:45,041 --> 00:32:45,916
brought,

1315
00:32:45,916 --> 00:32:47,083
brought back

1316
00:32:47,083 --> 00:32:48,500
to where it should be will

1317
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,041
then like put

1318
00:32:50,041 --> 00:32:51,583
all these extremely talented

1319
00:32:51,583 --> 00:32:53,083
people and talented creators

1320
00:32:53,083 --> 00:32:54,250
and talented designers

1321
00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:54,791
and builders

1322
00:32:54,791 --> 00:32:55,541
and engineers

1323
00:32:55,541 --> 00:32:56,125
kind of into

1324
00:32:56,125 --> 00:32:57,375
a much better place

1325
00:32:57,375 --> 00:32:59,208
for earnings. Right?

1326
00:32:59,208 --> 00:33:01,250
But currently, like it's

1327
00:33:01,250 --> 00:33:02,833
just not well respected.

1328
00:33:02,833 --> 00:33:04,875
And so really,

1329
00:33:04,875 --> 00:33:06,916
if you look at the world

1330
00:33:06,916 --> 00:33:09,916
right now, the fastest,

1331
00:33:10,333 --> 00:33:12,041
the fastest way to get ahead

1332
00:33:12,041 --> 00:33:13,833
and really like

1333
00:33:13,833 --> 00:33:15,500
in, in some in

1334
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:16,333
some industries,

1335
00:33:16,333 --> 00:33:17,125
in some cases,

1336
00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:18,791
the only way to get ahead

1337
00:33:18,791 --> 00:33:22,416
is to, use treachery

1338
00:33:22,416 --> 00:33:24,916
and to be unethical

1339
00:33:24,916 --> 00:33:26,125
and to use deceit

1340
00:33:26,125 --> 00:33:27,458
and to

1341
00:33:27,458 --> 00:33:28,875
really kind of

1342
00:33:28,875 --> 00:33:30,916
do things in a wrong way.

1343
00:33:30,916 --> 00:33:33,166
And, that is

1344
00:33:33,166 --> 00:33:35,250
that is very tempting,

1345
00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:36,958
I think, to people who

1346
00:33:36,958 --> 00:33:38,208
especially when

1347
00:33:38,208 --> 00:33:40,458
on top of that, you have like

1348
00:33:40,458 --> 00:33:42,000
the currencies are failing

1349
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,750
and just the way of everyday

1350
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:45,041
life and surviving

1351
00:33:45,041 --> 00:33:46,875
becoming heavier and heavier

1352
00:33:46,875 --> 00:33:47,750
and it being harder

1353
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:48,791
and harder to

1354
00:33:48,791 --> 00:33:50,083
to get ahead by being

1355
00:33:50,083 --> 00:33:51,958
honest and being true.

1356
00:33:51,958 --> 00:33:54,041
So

1357
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:57,958
many people are driven

1358
00:33:57,958 --> 00:33:58,750
into doing

1359
00:33:58,750 --> 00:34:00,250
like just stuff that I don't,

1360
00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:01,916
I don't think is right.

1361
00:34:01,916 --> 00:34:05,208
And, you know, thankfully

1362
00:34:06,791 --> 00:34:08,375
Bitcoin exists for,

1363
00:34:08,375 --> 00:34:08,791
you know,

1364
00:34:08,791 --> 00:34:09,791
some of us to kind of

1365
00:34:09,791 --> 00:34:10,708
help us along

1366
00:34:10,708 --> 00:34:12,250
and keep things strong.

1367
00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:13,458
Like, I mean, like if I,

1368
00:34:13,458 --> 00:34:13,875
if I,

1369
00:34:13,875 --> 00:34:15,708
if I wanted to be

1370
00:34:15,708 --> 00:34:17,291
a thousand times wealthier,

1371
00:34:17,291 --> 00:34:18,041
I could have easily

1372
00:34:18,041 --> 00:34:19,416
gone into,

1373
00:34:19,416 --> 00:34:21,500
you know, doing NFT crap

1374
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:22,666
or doing

1375
00:34:22,666 --> 00:34:23,750
any kind of crypto

1376
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:24,666
project crap

1377
00:34:24,666 --> 00:34:25,458
or working on this

1378
00:34:25,458 --> 00:34:26,458
or working on.

1379
00:34:26,458 --> 00:34:27,208
But like,

1380
00:34:27,208 --> 00:34:28,750
all of that stuff is just,

1381
00:34:28,750 --> 00:34:29,208
okay.

1382
00:34:29,208 --> 00:34:30,750
Yeah, you get the money,

1383
00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:32,125
but you lose something

1384
00:34:32,125 --> 00:34:32,750
that I think is

1385
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:33,791
far more important,

1386
00:34:33,791 --> 00:34:36,083
which is your kind of ability

1387
00:34:36,083 --> 00:34:37,833
to really

1388
00:34:37,833 --> 00:34:40,416
look at yourself and,

1389
00:34:40,416 --> 00:34:41,208
you know, you,

1390
00:34:41,208 --> 00:34:42,375
you lose, like,

1391
00:34:42,375 --> 00:34:43,458
I guess we would say,

1392
00:34:43,458 --> 00:34:45,041
like your soul.

1393
00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:46,416
You definitely. I think

1394
00:34:47,916 --> 00:34:49,750
you can have a, a front

1395
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:51,458
on to everyone in the world.

1396
00:34:51,458 --> 00:34:52,125
And you can lie

1397
00:34:52,125 --> 00:34:53,125
to everyone in the world,

1398
00:34:53,125 --> 00:34:53,791
but you can't

1399
00:34:53,791 --> 00:34:55,208
lie to yourself.

1400
00:34:55,208 --> 00:34:55,708
And I think

1401
00:34:55,708 --> 00:34:56,625
as soon as you cross

1402
00:34:56,625 --> 00:34:57,416
some of those kind

1403
00:34:57,416 --> 00:34:58,458
of ethical

1404
00:34:58,458 --> 00:35:00,916
lines that your entire life

1405
00:35:00,916 --> 00:35:03,250
just becomes, a lie.

1406
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:04,125
And I don't really think

1407
00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:05,208
that there's

1408
00:35:05,208 --> 00:35:06,541
a way to turn back

1409
00:35:06,541 --> 00:35:08,458
after that because,

1410
00:35:08,458 --> 00:35:11,458
you know, you'll kind of

1411
00:35:11,625 --> 00:35:12,041
you'll have

1412
00:35:12,041 --> 00:35:12,875
always kind

1413
00:35:12,875 --> 00:35:15,791
of broken in that moment.

1414
00:35:15,791 --> 00:35:17,416
But on the other side,

1415
00:35:17,416 --> 00:35:19,041
being being just patient

1416
00:35:19,041 --> 00:35:19,541
and really

1417
00:35:19,541 --> 00:35:20,625
respecting the skills

1418
00:35:20,625 --> 00:35:21,291
that you have.

1419
00:35:21,291 --> 00:35:22,208
And like,

1420
00:35:22,208 --> 00:35:22,458
you know,

1421
00:35:22,458 --> 00:35:23,875
we have to be more creative

1422
00:35:23,875 --> 00:35:25,000
and more cunning

1423
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,208
as people with talent

1424
00:35:26,208 --> 00:35:27,500
to be able to find a way

1425
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:28,750
to earn a living

1426
00:35:28,750 --> 00:35:30,125
and find a way to like,

1427
00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:31,083
you know,

1428
00:35:31,083 --> 00:35:32,750
to find people

1429
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:35,333
who appreciate our work.

1430
00:35:35,333 --> 00:35:37,000
It's much more difficult.

1431
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,666
But I think in the end,

1432
00:35:38,666 --> 00:35:40,333
it has longevity.

1433
00:35:40,333 --> 00:35:41,000
It'll last,

1434
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,166
like, your whole lifetime,

1435
00:35:43,166 --> 00:35:46,125
to do to do the hard work.

1436
00:35:46,125 --> 00:35:47,541
And you'll kind of

1437
00:35:47,541 --> 00:35:48,333
you'll always

1438
00:35:48,333 --> 00:35:50,083
be able to know that,

1439
00:35:50,083 --> 00:35:51,041
you know,

1440
00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:52,500
you acted,

1441
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:54,125
in, in the

1442
00:35:54,125 --> 00:35:55,458
spirit of goodness,

1443
00:35:55,458 --> 00:35:57,166
first verse,

1444
00:35:57,166 --> 00:35:58,000
I think

1445
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:58,958
the overwhelming

1446
00:35:58,958 --> 00:36:00,708
evil out there,

1447
00:36:00,708 --> 00:36:02,000
you know, I love that

1448
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,833
it resonates so

1449
00:36:02,833 --> 00:36:04,541
hard, like, with, the way

1450
00:36:04,541 --> 00:36:05,958
we do things as well.

1451
00:36:05,958 --> 00:36:07,458
But it also leads me into

1452
00:36:07,458 --> 00:36:08,583
as sort of a devil's

1453
00:36:08,583 --> 00:36:09,916
advocate thing here that,

1454
00:36:09,916 --> 00:36:10,666
something I'd love

1455
00:36:10,666 --> 00:36:11,625
to pick your brain on.

1456
00:36:11,625 --> 00:36:12,708
And this is,

1457
00:36:12,708 --> 00:36:13,500
we wrote

1458
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:15,125
a couple of paragraphs,

1459
00:36:15,125 --> 00:36:15,583
at least,

1460
00:36:15,583 --> 00:36:16,541
if not a whole chapter

1461
00:36:16,541 --> 00:36:17,833
about this in the

1462
00:36:17,833 --> 00:36:19,375
in the book about,

1463
00:36:19,375 --> 00:36:21,208
proof of work

1464
00:36:21,208 --> 00:36:22,333
being a little bit

1465
00:36:22,333 --> 00:36:23,625
being a bit too close,

1466
00:36:23,625 --> 00:36:25,250
like labor theory or value.

1467
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:25,916
Like if,

1468
00:36:25,916 --> 00:36:27,250
if you're just doing work

1469
00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:29,291
for work's sake

1470
00:36:29,291 --> 00:36:30,166
and the market

1471
00:36:30,166 --> 00:36:31,541
didn't ask you to do that

1472
00:36:31,541 --> 00:36:32,791
work, then you're

1473
00:36:32,791 --> 00:36:34,125
basically just

1474
00:36:35,375 --> 00:36:36,500
just doing whatever the

1475
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:37,791
Soviet Union were doing.

1476
00:36:37,791 --> 00:36:41,416
I mean, I think,

1477
00:36:41,416 --> 00:36:42,166
proof of work

1478
00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:43,166
should be rebranded

1479
00:36:43,166 --> 00:36:43,625
into proof

1480
00:36:43,625 --> 00:36:45,250
of results because,

1481
00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:46,666
because that's really

1482
00:36:46,666 --> 00:36:47,416
what counts.

1483
00:36:47,416 --> 00:36:47,833
I mean,

1484
00:36:47,833 --> 00:36:49,250
not even in Bitcoin

1485
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:50,791
mining is proof of work.

1486
00:36:50,791 --> 00:36:52,208
Actual proof of work.

1487
00:36:52,208 --> 00:36:53,000
It's just proof

1488
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:53,333
that you

1489
00:36:53,333 --> 00:36:54,375
found the correct touch.

1490
00:36:54,375 --> 00:36:55,958
So it's it's the result

1491
00:36:55,958 --> 00:36:56,958
that matters.

1492
00:36:56,958 --> 00:36:58,250
The work is implied

1493
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:59,750
by the result.

1494
00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:01,708
But like, proof.

1495
00:37:01,708 --> 00:37:02,541
I don't

1496
00:37:02,541 --> 00:37:03,958
I don't think it is proof.

1497
00:37:03,958 --> 00:37:05,958
I think it is a hint of work.

1498
00:37:05,958 --> 00:37:06,708
Maybe,

1499
00:37:06,708 --> 00:37:08,083
but it's proof of results.

1500
00:37:08,083 --> 00:37:09,041
And I think that's

1501
00:37:09,041 --> 00:37:10,208
the way to approach,

1502
00:37:10,208 --> 00:37:11,541
approach,

1503
00:37:11,541 --> 00:37:13,208
creative projects as well.

1504
00:37:13,208 --> 00:37:15,000
Like,

1505
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,875
I respect a lot of artists

1506
00:37:16,875 --> 00:37:18,583
that,

1507
00:37:18,583 --> 00:37:21,000
both musicians and actors

1508
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,125
and, and the other author,

1509
00:37:23,125 --> 00:37:24,625
artists as well,

1510
00:37:24,625 --> 00:37:27,041
that don't necessarily seem

1511
00:37:27,041 --> 00:37:28,458
to do a lot of,

1512
00:37:28,458 --> 00:37:30,750
to put in a lot of effort,

1513
00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:31,666
but their output

1514
00:37:31,666 --> 00:37:32,416
is excellent.

1515
00:37:32,416 --> 00:37:33,041
Like, I,

1516
00:37:33,041 --> 00:37:34,916
I can love an actor

1517
00:37:34,916 --> 00:37:35,708
like Bill Murray,

1518
00:37:35,708 --> 00:37:36,333
for instance,

1519
00:37:36,333 --> 00:37:37,416
who made a career out of

1520
00:37:37,416 --> 00:37:38,125
just looking like

1521
00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:38,750
he doesn't give a

1522
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:41,416
fuck all the time. And, or

1523
00:37:42,583 --> 00:37:43,625
some bands

1524
00:37:43,625 --> 00:37:46,958
and, songwriters

1525
00:37:46,958 --> 00:37:48,041
that seem to be the same.

1526
00:37:48,041 --> 00:37:51,041
Let's just have this, like,

1527
00:37:51,708 --> 00:37:52,541
talent for

1528
00:37:52,541 --> 00:37:54,041
for finding interesting

1529
00:37:54,041 --> 00:37:55,041
melodies and stuff.

1530
00:37:55,041 --> 00:37:56,000
And they don't seem

1531
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,583
to really do that much work.

1532
00:37:57,583 --> 00:37:58,541
It's just comes to them

1533
00:37:58,541 --> 00:37:59,416
naturally.

1534
00:37:59,416 --> 00:38:00,333
I think it's it's

1535
00:38:00,333 --> 00:38:01,500
hard to know, though,

1536
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:02,125
how much work

1537
00:38:02,125 --> 00:38:03,333
that actually went into it.

1538
00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:04,000
You could

1539
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000
you could argue that a whole

1540
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,708
that your whole life is work.

1541
00:38:07,708 --> 00:38:08,250
If you

1542
00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:08,833
if you have the

1543
00:38:08,833 --> 00:38:09,791
correct mindset

1544
00:38:09,791 --> 00:38:10,750
and if you learn from

1545
00:38:10,750 --> 00:38:12,083
all of your experiences

1546
00:38:12,083 --> 00:38:12,708
to really take

1547
00:38:12,708 --> 00:38:13,708
things to heart.

1548
00:38:13,708 --> 00:38:15,166
But there's there is,

1549
00:38:15,166 --> 00:38:16,958
there's something there

1550
00:38:16,958 --> 00:38:18,375
between proof of work

1551
00:38:18,375 --> 00:38:19,458
and proof for results.

1552
00:38:19,458 --> 00:38:21,166
Would you agree?

1553
00:38:21,166 --> 00:38:21,375
Yeah.

1554
00:38:21,375 --> 00:38:23,833
I mean, it's

1555
00:38:23,833 --> 00:38:25,958
it

1556
00:38:25,958 --> 00:38:28,750
the market is is the truth

1557
00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:30,000
and the price is the truth.

1558
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,250
So and we just

1559
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:32,125
unfortunately have

1560
00:38:32,125 --> 00:38:34,041
like a very distorted,

1561
00:38:34,041 --> 00:38:36,916
market signal right now.

1562
00:38:38,916 --> 00:38:42,000
So you can't be it

1563
00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:44,416
the pursuit of excellence

1564
00:38:44,416 --> 00:38:46,125
still has to be in line

1565
00:38:46,125 --> 00:38:48,458
with, with,

1566
00:38:48,458 --> 00:38:49,291
with what you said,

1567
00:38:49,291 --> 00:38:52,291
like a result, of some kind.

1568
00:38:52,333 --> 00:38:55,833
And but I think that,

1569
00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:56,500
you know, there's

1570
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:57,583
probably a place

1571
00:38:57,583 --> 00:39:00,583
for a lot of things that,

1572
00:39:01,875 --> 00:39:03,541
it it's.

1573
00:39:03,541 --> 00:39:06,583
Yeah, it's, interesting site.

1574
00:39:06,583 --> 00:39:09,583
I mean.

1575
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:11,791
Yeah.

1576
00:39:11,791 --> 00:39:12,375
Just because

1577
00:39:12,375 --> 00:39:13,791
you put a lot of time

1578
00:39:13,791 --> 00:39:15,083
and energy into something

1579
00:39:15,083 --> 00:39:16,083
and just because something.

1580
00:39:16,083 --> 00:39:17,416
It's one of the questions

1581
00:39:17,416 --> 00:39:18,250
that frustrates me

1582
00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:19,875
a lot is with my,

1583
00:39:19,875 --> 00:39:21,375
being doing

1584
00:39:21,375 --> 00:39:22,208
art stuff,

1585
00:39:22,208 --> 00:39:22,916
is that I'll

1586
00:39:22,916 --> 00:39:25,125
present something

1587
00:39:25,125 --> 00:39:26,083
and then someone

1588
00:39:26,083 --> 00:39:26,750
will ask like,

1589
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:27,583
oh my gosh, like,

1590
00:39:27,583 --> 00:39:28,666
how long did this

1591
00:39:28,666 --> 00:39:30,708
take to make?

1592
00:39:30,708 --> 00:39:32,500
As if that's relevant to

1593
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:34,625
to what it is?

1594
00:39:34,625 --> 00:39:35,125
You know, or

1595
00:39:35,125 --> 00:39:36,125
like what was the

1596
00:39:36,125 --> 00:39:38,125
technical step by step

1597
00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:40,000
process to create this?

1598
00:39:41,125 --> 00:39:42,625
And it's kind of,

1599
00:39:42,625 --> 00:39:43,625
like I

1600
00:39:43,625 --> 00:39:44,541
get the questions,

1601
00:39:44,541 --> 00:39:45,583
but to me it's

1602
00:39:45,583 --> 00:39:46,083
just like

1603
00:39:46,083 --> 00:39:47,375
completely irrelevant.

1604
00:39:47,375 --> 00:39:48,000
And like,

1605
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,000
what really matters is like

1606
00:39:51,041 --> 00:39:52,500
how good the work is.

1607
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:54,708
And I'm willing to use

1608
00:39:54,708 --> 00:39:56,541
any means necessary

1609
00:39:56,541 --> 00:39:58,166
to make the work as good

1610
00:39:58,166 --> 00:39:59,750
a, as good as possible.

1611
00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:02,083
Any, any technique,

1612
00:40:02,083 --> 00:40:03,541
you know, any,

1613
00:40:03,541 --> 00:40:06,583
artisans, any, you know,

1614
00:40:06,958 --> 00:40:08,208
experts, any,

1615
00:40:08,208 --> 00:40:09,333
any bits of text,

1616
00:40:09,333 --> 00:40:10,291
like any bit of,

1617
00:40:10,291 --> 00:40:13,416
information, any.

1618
00:40:13,666 --> 00:40:14,500
I'm, I'm well,

1619
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:16,000
like Maddox

1620
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,541
in the unfortunately

1621
00:40:17,541 --> 00:40:17,958
in the way

1622
00:40:17,958 --> 00:40:19,000
that it's come together,

1623
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,750
it's like

1624
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:20,458
kind of all

1625
00:40:20,458 --> 00:40:21,875
very around me right now

1626
00:40:21,875 --> 00:40:22,458
because that's

1627
00:40:22,458 --> 00:40:24,041
how it's like bootstrapped.

1628
00:40:24,041 --> 00:40:24,750
But really

1629
00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:26,666
what I'm trying to create

1630
00:40:26,666 --> 00:40:27,375
is just a,

1631
00:40:27,375 --> 00:40:29,041
like, art production house

1632
00:40:29,041 --> 00:40:29,958
that just creates

1633
00:40:29,958 --> 00:40:32,250
like insanely high quality,

1634
00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:34,083
really amazing stuff,

1635
00:40:34,083 --> 00:40:36,083
with the basis being art

1636
00:40:36,083 --> 00:40:36,791
and then also

1637
00:40:36,791 --> 00:40:38,416
kind of getting into,

1638
00:40:38,416 --> 00:40:39,916
other like products

1639
00:40:39,916 --> 00:40:40,291
and things,

1640
00:40:40,291 --> 00:40:41,958
things I care about and,

1641
00:40:41,958 --> 00:40:44,041
you know, doing that takes

1642
00:40:44,041 --> 00:40:45,583
insane amounts of time

1643
00:40:45,583 --> 00:40:47,583
and insane amounts of people

1644
00:40:47,583 --> 00:40:49,541
and sometimes no time

1645
00:40:49,541 --> 00:40:50,791
and no people.

1646
00:40:50,791 --> 00:40:51,833
And,

1647
00:40:51,833 --> 00:40:52,125
you know,

1648
00:40:52,125 --> 00:40:53,500
the results on either end

1649
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:55,125
can sometimes be really good.

1650
00:40:55,125 --> 00:40:56,625
And, you know,

1651
00:40:56,625 --> 00:40:57,166
I can spend

1652
00:40:57,166 --> 00:40:58,375
no time on something,

1653
00:40:58,375 --> 00:40:59,708
and it only be me,

1654
00:40:59,708 --> 00:41:01,541
and it can come out shit,

1655
00:41:01,541 --> 00:41:03,291
or it can come out amazing.

1656
00:41:03,291 --> 00:41:05,041
Or I can spend, you know,

1657
00:41:05,041 --> 00:41:05,666
three months

1658
00:41:05,666 --> 00:41:06,458
doing something

1659
00:41:06,458 --> 00:41:07,125
with a team of,

1660
00:41:07,125 --> 00:41:07,791
like, six

1661
00:41:07,791 --> 00:41:09,041
other people,

1662
00:41:09,041 --> 00:41:10,791
and it can come out amazing

1663
00:41:10,791 --> 00:41:12,125
or it can come out shit.

1664
00:41:12,125 --> 00:41:14,833
So you I, I,

1665
00:41:14,833 --> 00:41:16,375
I think it's just

1666
00:41:16,375 --> 00:41:19,916
having taste and having,

1667
00:41:20,875 --> 00:41:23,458
I yeah, I guess, I guess

1668
00:41:23,458 --> 00:41:24,125
that's just like,

1669
00:41:24,125 --> 00:41:24,833
who will

1670
00:41:24,833 --> 00:41:25,750
who will succeed

1671
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:28,125
and kind of who will,

1672
00:41:28,125 --> 00:41:28,458
you know,

1673
00:41:28,458 --> 00:41:29,416
not like the market

1674
00:41:29,416 --> 00:41:29,958
will really

1675
00:41:29,958 --> 00:41:31,750
ultimately decide.

1676
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:32,458
But I guess

1677
00:41:32,458 --> 00:41:33,166
what I, I guess

1678
00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:34,375
the point is not

1679
00:41:34,375 --> 00:41:36,291
to take shortcuts,

1680
00:41:36,291 --> 00:41:37,500
more than to,

1681
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:38,500
like, work on something

1682
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,041
that doesn't matter

1683
00:41:40,041 --> 00:41:41,291
or is crap.

1684
00:41:41,291 --> 00:41:42,916
It's just like.

1685
00:41:42,916 --> 00:41:44,625
It's like I've had success

1686
00:41:44,625 --> 00:41:45,833
from kind of the beginning

1687
00:41:45,833 --> 00:41:46,625
of what I'm doing

1688
00:41:46,625 --> 00:41:47,500
because I think I'm

1689
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:48,541
a great designer

1690
00:41:48,541 --> 00:41:50,791
and it resonates quite well.

1691
00:41:50,791 --> 00:41:52,833
And then as a result

1692
00:41:52,833 --> 00:41:54,125
of that success and doing

1693
00:41:54,125 --> 00:41:55,208
well in the first place,

1694
00:41:55,208 --> 00:41:56,291
a lot of like

1695
00:41:56,291 --> 00:41:57,791
extreme shortcut

1696
00:41:57,791 --> 00:41:58,833
opportunities

1697
00:41:58,833 --> 00:42:00,375
were offered to me,

1698
00:42:00,375 --> 00:42:01,125
you know,

1699
00:42:01,125 --> 00:42:02,041
to be a part of

1700
00:42:02,041 --> 00:42:03,333
like scam projects

1701
00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:04,791
or crypto this or crypto

1702
00:42:04,791 --> 00:42:05,500
that or whatever

1703
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:06,875
other bullshit.

1704
00:42:06,875 --> 00:42:08,000
And, you know,

1705
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,958
those would have been

1706
00:42:08,958 --> 00:42:10,125
like shortcuts

1707
00:42:10,125 --> 00:42:12,291
in, in financial realm,

1708
00:42:12,291 --> 00:42:14,125
but it would have

1709
00:42:14,125 --> 00:42:15,250
totally fucked up

1710
00:42:15,250 --> 00:42:16,458
the work because

1711
00:42:17,458 --> 00:42:17,833
it would have

1712
00:42:17,833 --> 00:42:19,833
just gutted that kind of soul

1713
00:42:19,833 --> 00:42:20,958
and meaning.

1714
00:42:20,958 --> 00:42:23,500
And really what I think

1715
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:25,375
is the value, it's like the

1716
00:42:25,375 --> 00:42:26,416
the real value,

1717
00:42:26,416 --> 00:42:28,125
like the reason matrix art

1718
00:42:28,125 --> 00:42:28,500
is going

1719
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:29,750
to really fucking matter

1720
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:31,541
in 50 years versus

1721
00:42:31,541 --> 00:42:32,583
all the other artists

1722
00:42:32,583 --> 00:42:34,458
that are out there.

1723
00:42:34,458 --> 00:42:36,958
Is that it's

1724
00:42:36,958 --> 00:42:38,208
it's tied to

1725
00:42:38,208 --> 00:42:39,208
one of the most

1726
00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:40,916
important times

1727
00:42:40,916 --> 00:42:42,125
in all of history

1728
00:42:42,125 --> 00:42:43,541
where we're going

1729
00:42:43,541 --> 00:42:44,833
through this transition

1730
00:42:44,833 --> 00:42:46,000
and this shift,

1731
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:46,541
and where

1732
00:42:46,541 --> 00:42:48,166
the wealth is moving

1733
00:42:48,166 --> 00:42:50,500
for, for the first time ever.

1734
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:53,416
And

1735
00:42:53,416 --> 00:42:54,125
I'm sort of

1736
00:42:54,125 --> 00:42:55,958
coloring over that,

1737
00:42:55,958 --> 00:42:58,041
that change in history.

1738
00:42:58,041 --> 00:43:00,125
And that's what gives it

1739
00:43:00,125 --> 00:43:01,875
I think really, it's

1740
00:43:01,875 --> 00:43:03,833
ultimate like

1741
00:43:03,833 --> 00:43:04,416
meaning

1742
00:43:04,416 --> 00:43:06,958
and make makes it really,

1743
00:43:06,958 --> 00:43:08,750
that much better versus

1744
00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:09,750
kind of,

1745
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:11,083
stuff that maybe

1746
00:43:11,083 --> 00:43:12,125
like technically

1747
00:43:12,125 --> 00:43:13,000
extremely good,

1748
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,500
but just kind of exists

1749
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:16,083
and doesn't really have like

1750
00:43:16,083 --> 00:43:18,458
an anchor behind it.

1751
00:43:18,458 --> 00:43:18,750
You know,

1752
00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:20,375
there's like a huge element

1753
00:43:20,375 --> 00:43:22,833
in, of humanity and,

1754
00:43:22,833 --> 00:43:23,625
and what I'm trying

1755
00:43:23,625 --> 00:43:24,916
to push into the world

1756
00:43:24,916 --> 00:43:26,208
with made X,

1757
00:43:26,208 --> 00:43:27,625
that I think

1758
00:43:27,625 --> 00:43:28,750
is timeless and

1759
00:43:28,750 --> 00:43:30,125
will continue to resonate.

1760
00:43:32,625 --> 00:43:33,166
Yeah.

1761
00:43:33,166 --> 00:43:34,250
And but

1762
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:37,250
you're absolutely right.

1763
00:43:37,416 --> 00:43:40,000
No, I just find creativity

1764
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,291
a very interesting concept.

1765
00:43:42,291 --> 00:43:43,916
And,

1766
00:43:43,916 --> 00:43:45,583
for me and for others,

1767
00:43:45,583 --> 00:43:46,125
I know it's a

1768
00:43:46,125 --> 00:43:47,791
it's a very strange beast

1769
00:43:47,791 --> 00:43:49,250
to try to tame

1770
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:50,541
because it's it's,

1771
00:43:50,541 --> 00:43:51,458
you never know

1772
00:43:51,458 --> 00:43:52,041
when stuff

1773
00:43:52,041 --> 00:43:52,833
is going to hit you.

1774
00:43:52,833 --> 00:43:53,833
And,

1775
00:43:53,833 --> 00:43:54,500
I know

1776
00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:55,833
Lucas in this first time

1777
00:43:55,833 --> 00:43:57,250
I went around,

1778
00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:58,291
like, talking about.

1779
00:43:58,291 --> 00:43:59,000
I wanted to

1780
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,750
write the book for,

1781
00:43:59,750 --> 00:44:01,416
like, two years before.

1782
00:44:01,416 --> 00:44:03,000
Before I started writing one.

1783
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:03,833
And then I write one.

1784
00:44:03,833 --> 00:44:05,125
It takes a month, like,

1785
00:44:05,125 --> 00:44:05,958
or two.

1786
00:44:05,958 --> 00:44:07,125
I have the basis of it.

1787
00:44:07,125 --> 00:44:08,416
Just pours out of me

1788
00:44:08,416 --> 00:44:09,083
when it comes.

1789
00:44:09,083 --> 00:44:09,875
But before that, it's

1790
00:44:09,875 --> 00:44:10,625
totally fucking

1791
00:44:10,625 --> 00:44:11,791
writer's block.

1792
00:44:11,791 --> 00:44:13,375
And I spend time, like,

1793
00:44:13,375 --> 00:44:14,250
daydreaming

1794
00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:15,083
and walking around

1795
00:44:15,083 --> 00:44:15,791
and trying to come

1796
00:44:15,791 --> 00:44:16,791
up with stuff.

1797
00:44:16,791 --> 00:44:17,958
And I used to think of

1798
00:44:17,958 --> 00:44:19,416
that as me being lazy,

1799
00:44:19,416 --> 00:44:20,458
but but now.

1800
00:44:20,458 --> 00:44:21,583
But I've realized

1801
00:44:21,583 --> 00:44:23,208
that it's not being lazy.

1802
00:44:23,208 --> 00:44:23,791
It's it's

1803
00:44:23,791 --> 00:44:25,458
like part of the process.

1804
00:44:25,458 --> 00:44:27,041
It has to be part of

1805
00:44:27,041 --> 00:44:27,625
the process.

1806
00:44:27,625 --> 00:44:31,000
And sometimes

1807
00:44:32,125 --> 00:44:32,958
it just hits you.

1808
00:44:32,958 --> 00:44:33,750
And that's

1809
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:34,708
the strange thing

1810
00:44:34,708 --> 00:44:35,833
about creativity.

1811
00:44:35,833 --> 00:44:37,333
And,

1812
00:44:37,333 --> 00:44:38,125
a lot of things

1813
00:44:38,125 --> 00:44:38,791
have been said

1814
00:44:38,791 --> 00:44:39,916
and written about it

1815
00:44:39,916 --> 00:44:40,250
like,

1816
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:41,958
the best,

1817
00:44:41,958 --> 00:44:43,375
the best way to be creative

1818
00:44:43,375 --> 00:44:44,125
is to,

1819
00:44:44,125 --> 00:44:45,458
I think this

1820
00:44:45,458 --> 00:44:46,333
the John Cleese's

1821
00:44:46,333 --> 00:44:48,166
take on it, that you

1822
00:44:48,166 --> 00:44:50,208
you cannot be interrupted.

1823
00:44:50,208 --> 00:44:51,750
But you also need to know

1824
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:52,583
that you are not

1825
00:44:52,583 --> 00:44:54,166
going to be interrupted.

1826
00:44:54,166 --> 00:44:55,250
And I like that a lot.

1827
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:56,000
And I guess that's why

1828
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:56,791
I mostly work

1829
00:44:56,791 --> 00:44:57,541
in the mornings,

1830
00:44:57,541 --> 00:44:58,208
because I know

1831
00:44:58,208 --> 00:44:59,375
my family won't be up,

1832
00:44:59,375 --> 00:45:01,000
so I won't be interrupted.

1833
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:01,750
Like the risk of

1834
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:02,500
being interrupted

1835
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:03,791
is just not there.

1836
00:45:03,791 --> 00:45:04,666
Because if you know

1837
00:45:04,666 --> 00:45:05,791
that you have,

1838
00:45:05,791 --> 00:45:06,833
you're going to

1839
00:45:06,833 --> 00:45:08,416
get a notification soon

1840
00:45:08,416 --> 00:45:09,750
or you're going to someone's

1841
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:10,250
going to

1842
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:11,916
try to grab your attention,

1843
00:45:11,916 --> 00:45:12,208
then it's

1844
00:45:12,208 --> 00:45:13,458
much harder to focus.

1845
00:45:13,458 --> 00:45:15,291
Like you need that much space

1846
00:45:15,291 --> 00:45:16,166
to to actually

1847
00:45:16,166 --> 00:45:17,250
do something creative

1848
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:18,166
if you're working

1849
00:45:18,166 --> 00:45:20,458
alone, especially and I mean

1850
00:45:21,708 --> 00:45:23,083
other, other thoughts

1851
00:45:23,083 --> 00:45:23,833
around it like,

1852
00:45:23,833 --> 00:45:26,208
like you said,

1853
00:45:26,208 --> 00:45:27,208
some of the works

1854
00:45:27,208 --> 00:45:28,750
take a short amount of time

1855
00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:29,625
and some take a long

1856
00:45:29,625 --> 00:45:30,250
amount of time,

1857
00:45:30,250 --> 00:45:30,875
and that doesn't

1858
00:45:30,875 --> 00:45:31,458
really matter

1859
00:45:31,458 --> 00:45:32,416
for the end product.

1860
00:45:32,416 --> 00:45:34,583
It's, a way to look at that.

1861
00:45:34,583 --> 00:45:35,833
It's like

1862
00:45:35,833 --> 00:45:36,750
it's the fish

1863
00:45:36,750 --> 00:45:37,916
that's beautiful,

1864
00:45:37,916 --> 00:45:38,916
not the fisherman.

1865
00:45:38,916 --> 00:45:40,125
So you,

1866
00:45:40,125 --> 00:45:41,166
But what you're doing

1867
00:45:41,166 --> 00:45:43,875
is by by being productive

1868
00:45:43,875 --> 00:45:44,875
as a creative.

1869
00:45:44,875 --> 00:45:46,833
Is that you're going fishing,

1870
00:45:46,833 --> 00:45:47,958
and occasionally

1871
00:45:47,958 --> 00:45:48,583
you'll stumble

1872
00:45:48,583 --> 00:45:49,541
on a beautiful fish,

1873
00:45:49,541 --> 00:45:51,500
and you never know when,

1874
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:52,291
you could

1875
00:45:52,291 --> 00:45:53,583
you can increase your odds,

1876
00:45:53,583 --> 00:45:55,875
but you can't really control

1877
00:45:55,875 --> 00:45:57,375
what kind of fish you're

1878
00:45:57,375 --> 00:45:59,083
you're going to get.

1879
00:45:59,083 --> 00:46:00,083
Does that make any sense

1880
00:46:00,083 --> 00:46:00,791
to you?

1881
00:46:00,791 --> 00:46:01,125
Yeah.

1882
00:46:01,125 --> 00:46:02,041
No, it definitely does.

1883
00:46:02,041 --> 00:46:03,375
Like, I think that by

1884
00:46:03,375 --> 00:46:04,541
I mean,

1885
00:46:07,125 --> 00:46:08,416
I think that

1886
00:46:08,416 --> 00:46:09,958
all the best work

1887
00:46:09,958 --> 00:46:10,708
that I've done

1888
00:46:10,708 --> 00:46:13,708
has been some sort of,

1889
00:46:13,875 --> 00:46:16,458
like, divine alignment.

1890
00:46:16,458 --> 00:46:18,250


1891
00:46:18,250 --> 00:46:21,250
And it's like the whole

1892
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:23,083
there's all there's

1893
00:46:23,083 --> 00:46:24,041
so much information

1894
00:46:24,041 --> 00:46:24,583
out there.

1895
00:46:24,583 --> 00:46:26,541
And then to kind of find

1896
00:46:26,541 --> 00:46:27,791
the things that go together

1897
00:46:27,791 --> 00:46:29,083
in the way,

1898
00:46:29,083 --> 00:46:29,625
in a way

1899
00:46:29,625 --> 00:46:30,875
that is really powerful

1900
00:46:30,875 --> 00:46:31,541
and really works.

1901
00:46:31,541 --> 00:46:34,541
Well, it it's

1902
00:46:36,125 --> 00:46:36,708
it comes,

1903
00:46:36,708 --> 00:46:38,000
it comes to you

1904
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,333
in waves and in moments.

1905
00:46:40,333 --> 00:46:43,333
And it it's

1906
00:46:43,375 --> 00:46:45,583
you can't just, something

1907
00:46:45,583 --> 00:46:46,833
that has been difficult

1908
00:46:46,833 --> 00:46:49,666
to explain to

1909
00:46:49,666 --> 00:46:50,541
people around me

1910
00:46:50,541 --> 00:46:51,250
is that you can't

1911
00:46:51,250 --> 00:46:52,000
just, like,

1912
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,708
sit down and then just, like,

1913
00:46:53,708 --> 00:46:55,500
make the stuff.

1914
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:58,125
It's pretty, like you said,

1915
00:46:58,125 --> 00:46:59,208
like walking around

1916
00:46:59,208 --> 00:47:00,208
and thinking about this,

1917
00:47:00,208 --> 00:47:01,041
thinking about that,

1918
00:47:01,041 --> 00:47:01,750
looking at this,

1919
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:02,458
looking at that.

1920
00:47:02,458 --> 00:47:03,750
It's like,

1921
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:04,208
can feel

1922
00:47:04,208 --> 00:47:05,500
like you're wasting time.

1923
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:07,333
But really it's important.

1924
00:47:07,333 --> 00:47:08,500
And sort of

1925
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:09,791
figuring out where

1926
00:47:09,791 --> 00:47:10,541
all those kind of

1927
00:47:10,541 --> 00:47:15,083
puzzle pieces go and it all

1928
00:47:16,833 --> 00:47:18,000
what to do will

1929
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,000
kind of hit you at the most

1930
00:47:21,125 --> 00:47:22,791
bizarre times.

1931
00:47:22,791 --> 00:47:24,541
And then I think, what

1932
00:47:24,541 --> 00:47:25,458
what really is

1933
00:47:25,458 --> 00:47:26,000
the secret

1934
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,375
is just having

1935
00:47:27,375 --> 00:47:28,625
the having

1936
00:47:28,625 --> 00:47:30,458
structured your environment

1937
00:47:30,458 --> 00:47:31,750
and set up your life

1938
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:34,291
so that when that inspiration

1939
00:47:34,291 --> 00:47:35,208
hits you,

1940
00:47:35,208 --> 00:47:38,000
you're able to capture it

1941
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,250
and, with,

1942
00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:40,791
with, with very little,

1943
00:47:40,791 --> 00:47:41,791
friction.

1944
00:47:41,791 --> 00:47:42,500
And also,

1945
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:43,875
like you said, without,

1946
00:47:43,875 --> 00:47:46,458
distraction

1947
00:47:46,458 --> 00:47:48,750
and.

1948
00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:49,916
Yeah, every I mean, we're

1949
00:47:49,916 --> 00:47:51,500
just kind of reflecting out

1950
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:52,666
everything that come

1951
00:47:52,666 --> 00:47:55,875
that comes in and you can

1952
00:47:57,250 --> 00:47:58,416
I'm always looking for like,

1953
00:47:58,416 --> 00:47:59,083
little signs.

1954
00:47:59,083 --> 00:47:59,833
I think what I meant

1955
00:47:59,833 --> 00:48:02,041
with that kind of divine side

1956
00:48:02,041 --> 00:48:03,666
is that I, I,

1957
00:48:03,666 --> 00:48:06,000
I am coming at life

1958
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,458
with this sort of attitude

1959
00:48:07,458 --> 00:48:10,208
that, like the whole universe

1960
00:48:10,208 --> 00:48:11,750
wants me to succeed

1961
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:14,291
and is constantly offering up

1962
00:48:14,291 --> 00:48:15,708
gifts and is offering

1963
00:48:15,708 --> 00:48:17,916
up, kind of little

1964
00:48:17,916 --> 00:48:19,333
tokens of knowledge

1965
00:48:19,333 --> 00:48:20,000
and little

1966
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,000
like little puzzle

1967
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,416
pieces everywhere.

1968
00:48:22,416 --> 00:48:22,791
And I'm

1969
00:48:22,791 --> 00:48:24,083
just looking for them.

1970
00:48:24,083 --> 00:48:25,916
And I think every failure

1971
00:48:25,916 --> 00:48:27,375
I've ever had in my life,

1972
00:48:27,375 --> 00:48:28,333
or kind of everything

1973
00:48:28,333 --> 00:48:29,416
that I look back on

1974
00:48:29,416 --> 00:48:30,916
and feel bad about myself

1975
00:48:30,916 --> 00:48:32,208
for, is just

1976
00:48:32,208 --> 00:48:35,000
a sort of ignoring the nudges

1977
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,833
or not taking

1978
00:48:35,833 --> 00:48:36,833
kind of seriously

1979
00:48:36,833 --> 00:48:38,791
the nudges from the universe.

1980
00:48:38,791 --> 00:48:39,791
There's a really great,

1981
00:48:39,791 --> 00:48:42,791
story from, Rick Rubin

1982
00:48:42,791 --> 00:48:44,000
about one of the system

1983
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,833
of a down songs that

1984
00:48:45,833 --> 00:48:46,541
he was,

1985
00:48:46,541 --> 00:48:48,333
helping the band work on,

1986
00:48:48,333 --> 00:48:49,541
and they were looking

1987
00:48:49,541 --> 00:48:51,166
for the lyrics to, like,

1988
00:48:51,166 --> 00:48:52,125
fit in a certain

1989
00:48:52,125 --> 00:48:54,208
segment of the song.

1990
00:48:54,208 --> 00:48:57,083
And,

1991
00:48:57,083 --> 00:48:58,875
Rick was just in his office

1992
00:48:58,875 --> 00:49:01,000
with, the lead singer,

1993
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,291
I think is named Serge

1994
00:49:02,291 --> 00:49:03,208
and just told him,

1995
00:49:03,208 --> 00:49:04,208
just go

1996
00:49:04,208 --> 00:49:05,000
pick a random

1997
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,291
book off the bookshelf

1998
00:49:06,291 --> 00:49:07,750
and open it.

1999
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:08,625
And,

2000
00:49:08,625 --> 00:49:09,250
so he went

2001
00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:09,833
and pulled

2002
00:49:09,833 --> 00:49:10,875
this book off the shelf

2003
00:49:10,875 --> 00:49:11,541
and opened it

2004
00:49:11,541 --> 00:49:12,333
and read sort

2005
00:49:12,333 --> 00:49:13,291
of the first line

2006
00:49:13,291 --> 00:49:13,875
out of the book.

2007
00:49:13,875 --> 00:49:14,833
And then that ended up

2008
00:49:14,833 --> 00:49:15,916
being like the perfect

2009
00:49:15,916 --> 00:49:17,958
lyric to fit into the song.

2010
00:49:20,083 --> 00:49:20,958
So with,

2011
00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:23,958
with finding like,

2012
00:49:24,166 --> 00:49:25,666
I think really the, the,

2013
00:49:25,666 --> 00:49:28,416
the major skill is like

2014
00:49:28,416 --> 00:49:30,791
identifying those gifts

2015
00:49:30,791 --> 00:49:32,333
and really recognizing them

2016
00:49:32,333 --> 00:49:33,875
and taking them seriously

2017
00:49:33,875 --> 00:49:34,625
and like

2018
00:49:34,625 --> 00:49:35,833
when the opportunities

2019
00:49:35,833 --> 00:49:37,541
come, like just

2020
00:49:37,541 --> 00:49:38,791
really rolling with it

2021
00:49:38,791 --> 00:49:41,375
and really, you know, getting

2022
00:49:41,375 --> 00:49:43,166
getting it converted into,

2023
00:49:43,166 --> 00:49:44,458
into like

2024
00:49:44,458 --> 00:49:45,625
physical reality

2025
00:49:45,625 --> 00:49:47,083
from that sort of idea

2026
00:49:47,083 --> 00:49:50,083
that's in your mind.

2027
00:49:50,833 --> 00:49:51,250
Yeah,

2028
00:49:51,250 --> 00:49:51,708
that would be

2029
00:49:51,708 --> 00:49:53,208
my take on that.

2030
00:49:53,208 --> 00:49:55,458
I know the lyric gets the

2031
00:49:55,458 --> 00:49:57,708
the father to into your hands

2032
00:49:57,708 --> 00:49:59,125
I commend my spirit.

2033
00:49:59,125 --> 00:50:01,458
Section of Chop Suey.

2034
00:50:01,458 --> 00:50:03,041
I heard that interview, too.

2035
00:50:03,041 --> 00:50:05,125
I think it's fascinating.

2036
00:50:05,125 --> 00:50:07,000
I mean, I'm

2037
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,791
I'm not religious at all, but

2038
00:50:08,791 --> 00:50:11,041
but I do identify with, like,

2039
00:50:11,041 --> 00:50:12,375
I do recognize

2040
00:50:12,375 --> 00:50:14,125
that, creativity

2041
00:50:14,125 --> 00:50:15,000
feels like you're

2042
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:15,916
channeling something.

2043
00:50:15,916 --> 00:50:17,208
It doesn't feel like you.

2044
00:50:17,208 --> 00:50:18,291
Like you feel like you're

2045
00:50:18,291 --> 00:50:19,750
you're the

2046
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:20,291
the thing

2047
00:50:20,291 --> 00:50:20,833
is, coming

2048
00:50:20,833 --> 00:50:21,791
from somewhere else.

2049
00:50:21,791 --> 00:50:23,208
And I don't know, like,

2050
00:50:23,208 --> 00:50:24,708
I, I think we

2051
00:50:24,708 --> 00:50:25,750
what I do think

2052
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:26,750
is that we all,

2053
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:28,875
underestimate

2054
00:50:28,875 --> 00:50:30,750
to which extent our mind

2055
00:50:30,750 --> 00:50:32,083
creates our own realities.

2056
00:50:32,083 --> 00:50:33,041
Like,

2057
00:50:33,041 --> 00:50:34,250
how much of the universe

2058
00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:35,375
is actually, like,

2059
00:50:35,375 --> 00:50:37,041
how you are the universe

2060
00:50:37,041 --> 00:50:39,041
to, to a certain degree.

2061
00:50:39,041 --> 00:50:39,916
I mean, you're

2062
00:50:39,916 --> 00:50:40,916
you're not only in it,

2063
00:50:40,916 --> 00:50:41,750
you are it,

2064
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:44,750
and it's it's,

2065
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:47,000
it's sort of like letting,

2066
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,291
letting not not

2067
00:50:48,291 --> 00:50:50,375
letting the egos stand

2068
00:50:50,375 --> 00:50:51,583
in the way of the self

2069
00:50:51,583 --> 00:50:52,541
for a while or

2070
00:50:52,541 --> 00:50:53,541
something like that.

2071
00:50:53,541 --> 00:50:54,208
There's there's

2072
00:50:54,208 --> 00:50:55,000
something to it.

2073
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:55,583
Yeah.

2074
00:50:55,583 --> 00:50:56,875
I, I just find it

2075
00:50:56,875 --> 00:50:58,458
fascinating to

2076
00:50:58,458 --> 00:50:59,291
to talk to,

2077
00:50:59,291 --> 00:51:00,375
to creative people

2078
00:51:00,375 --> 00:51:01,458
about their processes

2079
00:51:01,458 --> 00:51:02,708
because everyone

2080
00:51:02,708 --> 00:51:03,625
is different,

2081
00:51:03,625 --> 00:51:04,541
but everyone seems

2082
00:51:04,541 --> 00:51:05,750
to have this,

2083
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:07,833
recurring theme

2084
00:51:07,833 --> 00:51:08,791
of of feeling

2085
00:51:08,791 --> 00:51:10,458
like they're they're doing

2086
00:51:10,458 --> 00:51:12,458
something else's work

2087
00:51:12,458 --> 00:51:13,541
and like, it's it's

2088
00:51:13,541 --> 00:51:15,125
not an ego thing.

2089
00:51:15,125 --> 00:51:15,583
When you

2090
00:51:15,583 --> 00:51:16,958
when you let go of that,

2091
00:51:16,958 --> 00:51:18,041
I think

2092
00:51:18,041 --> 00:51:19,041
what's Benny Andersson

2093
00:51:19,041 --> 00:51:20,000
from about that said,

2094
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,208
you just have to be

2095
00:51:21,208 --> 00:51:22,083
at the piano

2096
00:51:22,083 --> 00:51:23,791
when the song is in the room.

2097
00:51:23,791 --> 00:51:24,791
Which which I think

2098
00:51:24,791 --> 00:51:25,833
is a very,

2099
00:51:25,833 --> 00:51:27,166
very good way of putting it.

2100
00:51:28,583 --> 00:51:29,416
Anyway, let's

2101
00:51:29,416 --> 00:51:30,000
let's get back

2102
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,750
to reality and all your,

2103
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:33,166
your encounters with,

2104
00:51:33,166 --> 00:51:34,333
you know,

2105
00:51:34,333 --> 00:51:36,791
skiing accident and,

2106
00:51:36,791 --> 00:51:39,791
running scooters into moose.

2107
00:51:39,958 --> 00:51:40,375
What's the

2108
00:51:40,375 --> 00:51:41,916
what's the plural of a moose

2109
00:51:41,916 --> 00:51:42,875
into Alex?

2110
00:51:42,875 --> 00:51:44,500
Is it Alex in Canada?

2111
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:46,166
I mean, me, yeah, yeah.

2112
00:51:46,166 --> 00:51:48,875
Let's get back to Canada

2113
00:51:48,875 --> 00:51:49,375
for a while.

2114
00:51:49,375 --> 00:51:50,541
Skip the accident part.

2115
00:51:50,541 --> 00:51:51,583
Let's get back to Canada

2116
00:51:51,583 --> 00:51:53,125
for a while. Luke.

2117
00:51:53,125 --> 00:51:54,125
Yeah. Yeah, sure.

2118
00:51:54,125 --> 00:51:56,125
So, Yeah.

2119
00:51:56,125 --> 00:51:58,250
Canada.

2120
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:59,750
It's it's it's

2121
00:51:59,750 --> 00:52:00,958
no secret, really.

2122
00:52:00,958 --> 00:52:02,291
The two of us are from

2123
00:52:02,291 --> 00:52:03,000
the same region.

2124
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:03,500
You been

2125
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:04,333
you've been open about that.

2126
00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:06,166
You're from Alberta as well.

2127
00:52:06,166 --> 00:52:08,291
And, I spent.

2128
00:52:08,291 --> 00:52:10,625
Yeah, 20 years there.

2129
00:52:10,625 --> 00:52:12,958
I, I still consider myself

2130
00:52:12,958 --> 00:52:13,916
more Albert

2131
00:52:13,916 --> 00:52:15,625
and then Canadian.

2132
00:52:15,625 --> 00:52:16,500
I don't really

2133
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:17,208
consider myself

2134
00:52:17,208 --> 00:52:18,166
Canadian at all,

2135
00:52:18,166 --> 00:52:19,125
to be honest.

2136
00:52:19,125 --> 00:52:20,208
It's it's

2137
00:52:20,208 --> 00:52:22,666
a really hard identity to

2138
00:52:22,666 --> 00:52:23,708
to feel

2139
00:52:23,708 --> 00:52:26,708
when much of the country

2140
00:52:26,791 --> 00:52:28,791
really doesn't like

2141
00:52:28,791 --> 00:52:29,791
the place that I'm

2142
00:52:29,791 --> 00:52:31,291
from in that country.

2143
00:52:33,041 --> 00:52:33,666
And, and.

2144
00:52:33,666 --> 00:52:34,250
Yeah, it's it's

2145
00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:35,833
been a tough decade

2146
00:52:35,833 --> 00:52:37,875
because of a certain

2147
00:52:37,875 --> 00:52:39,333
Justin Trudeau

2148
00:52:39,333 --> 00:52:41,625
and lots of things

2149
00:52:41,625 --> 00:52:43,125
that have been implemented

2150
00:52:43,125 --> 00:52:44,041
around that.

2151
00:52:44,041 --> 00:52:46,458
And yeah,

2152
00:52:46,458 --> 00:52:47,375
it's just been hard

2153
00:52:47,375 --> 00:52:49,333
and, and what's it,

2154
00:52:49,333 --> 00:52:50,083
what's it been like

2155
00:52:50,083 --> 00:52:51,333
being on the ground

2156
00:52:51,333 --> 00:52:54,250
in Alberta in the midst of

2157
00:52:54,250 --> 00:52:55,666
just this crazy

2158
00:52:55,666 --> 00:52:56,625
political climate

2159
00:52:56,625 --> 00:52:58,416
where it seems like the

2160
00:52:58,416 --> 00:52:59,166
the entire

2161
00:52:59,166 --> 00:52:59,833
rest of the country

2162
00:52:59,833 --> 00:53:02,041
is out to get us.

2163
00:53:02,041 --> 00:53:02,416
Yeah.

2164
00:53:02,416 --> 00:53:05,416
Well, it, I mean.

2165
00:53:08,416 --> 00:53:11,041
When you grow up in Canada,

2166
00:53:11,041 --> 00:53:12,166
you're bombarded

2167
00:53:12,166 --> 00:53:14,583
with bombarded by propaganda,

2168
00:53:14,583 --> 00:53:15,875
about

2169
00:53:15,875 --> 00:53:17,083
how much better

2170
00:53:17,083 --> 00:53:17,583
it is

2171
00:53:17,583 --> 00:53:20,291
to be Canadian than American

2172
00:53:20,291 --> 00:53:21,166
and how much

2173
00:53:21,166 --> 00:53:22,916
how fortunate we all are

2174
00:53:22,916 --> 00:53:24,000
to be Canadian

2175
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,625
instead of American,

2176
00:53:25,625 --> 00:53:28,250
and how Canada is exactly

2177
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:30,541
the same place as America,

2178
00:53:30,541 --> 00:53:33,000
except with all the horrible,

2179
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,250
you know,

2180
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:36,041
all the horrible stuff.

2181
00:53:36,041 --> 00:53:37,333
And I mean, like,

2182
00:53:38,416 --> 00:53:39,708
some things are certainly

2183
00:53:39,708 --> 00:53:40,791
true in that regard.

2184
00:53:40,791 --> 00:53:41,708
Like,

2185
00:53:41,708 --> 00:53:43,875
but probably 30 years ago,

2186
00:53:43,875 --> 00:53:45,041
I don't think they're true

2187
00:53:45,041 --> 00:53:46,583
any anymore.

2188
00:53:46,583 --> 00:53:49,583
In, in terms of, like,

2189
00:53:50,333 --> 00:53:51,166
just the levels,

2190
00:53:51,166 --> 00:53:53,291
they're a big, like,

2191
00:53:53,291 --> 00:53:54,250
propaganda talking

2192
00:53:54,250 --> 00:53:55,041
point in Canada.

2193
00:53:55,041 --> 00:53:56,083
It's like all the crime

2194
00:53:56,083 --> 00:53:57,625
in the United States

2195
00:53:57,625 --> 00:53:59,166
and, 30 years ago,

2196
00:53:59,166 --> 00:53:59,375
like,

2197
00:53:59,375 --> 00:54:00,666
that was definitely accurate.

2198
00:54:00,666 --> 00:54:02,000
There's extreme

2199
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,125
like way, way, way

2200
00:54:03,125 --> 00:54:05,041
more and more horrific crime

2201
00:54:05,041 --> 00:54:05,875
in the United States

2202
00:54:05,875 --> 00:54:07,291
and in Canada.

2203
00:54:07,291 --> 00:54:09,250
But due to certain policies

2204
00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:10,000
which are illegal

2205
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,458
to talk about,

2206
00:54:11,458 --> 00:54:14,041
that crime is just here now

2207
00:54:14,041 --> 00:54:15,916
and it's just equally as bad

2208
00:54:15,916 --> 00:54:17,083
as in the United States

2209
00:54:17,083 --> 00:54:18,291
and in some places,

2210
00:54:18,291 --> 00:54:18,708
you know,

2211
00:54:18,708 --> 00:54:20,500
you could call it worse.

2212
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:21,708
And that's,

2213
00:54:21,708 --> 00:54:22,666
that's horrible.

2214
00:54:22,666 --> 00:54:23,291
I think, like,

2215
00:54:23,291 --> 00:54:25,250
the most devastating

2216
00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:26,416
if I was to restart

2217
00:54:26,416 --> 00:54:28,625
my entire life over again,

2218
00:54:28,625 --> 00:54:30,791
the, the

2219
00:54:30,791 --> 00:54:32,083
within 30 minutes

2220
00:54:32,083 --> 00:54:33,583
of turning 18,

2221
00:54:33,583 --> 00:54:34,416
I would have been across

2222
00:54:34,416 --> 00:54:35,208
the border

2223
00:54:35,208 --> 00:54:36,708
in pursuit of becoming a U.S.

2224
00:54:36,708 --> 00:54:37,250
citizen.

2225
00:54:38,333 --> 00:54:40,125
And at that time, it,

2226
00:54:40,125 --> 00:54:40,833
you know,

2227
00:54:40,833 --> 00:54:41,875
some an entity

2228
00:54:41,875 --> 00:54:42,833
like the IRS

2229
00:54:42,833 --> 00:54:43,416
would just not

2230
00:54:43,416 --> 00:54:44,708
really be concerning

2231
00:54:44,708 --> 00:54:45,791
or scary.

2232
00:54:45,791 --> 00:54:46,666
And,

2233
00:54:46,666 --> 00:54:47,791
you would just kind of fall.

2234
00:54:47,791 --> 00:54:48,750
And I say to you,

2235
00:54:48,750 --> 00:54:49,666
a lot of my American

2236
00:54:49,666 --> 00:54:50,666
friends are born there.

2237
00:54:50,666 --> 00:54:50,833
Like,

2238
00:54:50,833 --> 00:54:52,125
you guys are just so lucky

2239
00:54:52,125 --> 00:54:53,291
that you're

2240
00:54:53,291 --> 00:54:54,666
you're already hooked on

2241
00:54:54,666 --> 00:54:57,500
onto the IRS because, like,

2242
00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:59,208
you can just rock and roll

2243
00:54:59,208 --> 00:54:59,916
and crush it

2244
00:54:59,916 --> 00:55:01,000
in the United States,

2245
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,458
where it's like anybody else

2246
00:55:02,458 --> 00:55:03,166
in the world.

2247
00:55:03,166 --> 00:55:03,375
Like,

2248
00:55:03,375 --> 00:55:06,000
I think that the main deter

2249
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,041
from moving

2250
00:55:07,041 --> 00:55:07,958
to the United States

2251
00:55:07,958 --> 00:55:09,041
and becoming a citizen

2252
00:55:09,041 --> 00:55:10,291
is just like taking on

2253
00:55:10,291 --> 00:55:12,833
that kind of obligation.

2254
00:55:12,833 --> 00:55:15,833
That and

2255
00:55:16,291 --> 00:55:17,750
but I can tell you

2256
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:18,666
that, like, Canada

2257
00:55:18,666 --> 00:55:19,541
is full blown,

2258
00:55:19,541 --> 00:55:21,000
a second world country.

2259
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,125
It is

2260
00:55:22,125 --> 00:55:24,250
you you notice the transition

2261
00:55:24,250 --> 00:55:25,541
into a first world country.

2262
00:55:25,541 --> 00:55:26,083
The second

2263
00:55:26,083 --> 00:55:27,166
you cross the border

2264
00:55:27,166 --> 00:55:28,375
into the United States.

2265
00:55:30,291 --> 00:55:31,833
It's just

2266
00:55:31,833 --> 00:55:33,333
we're really

2267
00:55:33,333 --> 00:55:34,666
in big trouble up here.

2268
00:55:34,666 --> 00:55:36,333
And that sucks

2269
00:55:36,333 --> 00:55:37,416
because we don't.

2270
00:55:37,416 --> 00:55:38,666
We shouldn't be,

2271
00:55:38,666 --> 00:55:39,791
it seems like

2272
00:55:39,791 --> 00:55:40,583
the whole country

2273
00:55:40,583 --> 00:55:41,583
has just been kind of

2274
00:55:41,583 --> 00:55:43,333
sold out down the river,

2275
00:55:43,333 --> 00:55:44,500
and that

2276
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:45,916
the greatness that we,

2277
00:55:45,916 --> 00:55:47,041
the great potential

2278
00:55:47,041 --> 00:55:48,333
that we have here

2279
00:55:48,333 --> 00:55:50,416
is just being a crushed

2280
00:55:50,416 --> 00:55:51,791
and stamped out

2281
00:55:51,791 --> 00:55:54,375
because,

2282
00:55:54,375 --> 00:55:55,666
where we're being seized

2283
00:55:55,666 --> 00:55:57,208
from and it's kind of

2284
00:55:57,208 --> 00:55:58,000
if we develop

2285
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,208
our own power here,

2286
00:55:59,208 --> 00:56:00,041
then we can't be

2287
00:56:00,041 --> 00:56:00,750
kind of looted

2288
00:56:00,750 --> 00:56:01,375
and pillaged

2289
00:56:01,375 --> 00:56:04,000
by other forces in the world.

2290
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,416
And, yeah,

2291
00:56:05,416 --> 00:56:06,416
I think the biggest thing

2292
00:56:06,416 --> 00:56:08,833
over the last, like

2293
00:56:08,833 --> 00:56:10,583
five, ten years

2294
00:56:10,583 --> 00:56:13,000
has just been,

2295
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,916
fighting,

2296
00:56:15,916 --> 00:56:17,833
not leaving,

2297
00:56:17,833 --> 00:56:19,333
like, for a long time.

2298
00:56:19,333 --> 00:56:21,750
Family kind of kept me here.

2299
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:23,041
But, recently

2300
00:56:23,041 --> 00:56:24,166
that sort of changed.

2301
00:56:25,791 --> 00:56:28,791
And I like,

2302
00:56:28,791 --> 00:56:30,583
think about leaving

2303
00:56:30,583 --> 00:56:32,041
ever, every day.

2304
00:56:32,041 --> 00:56:34,166
But what gives me hope

2305
00:56:34,166 --> 00:56:36,375
is that in Alberta,

2306
00:56:36,375 --> 00:56:37,166
a lot of people

2307
00:56:37,166 --> 00:56:37,958
are really kind of

2308
00:56:37,958 --> 00:56:39,625
feeling the same way.

2309
00:56:39,625 --> 00:56:40,541
And this

2310
00:56:40,541 --> 00:56:42,458
sort of separation,

2311
00:56:42,458 --> 00:56:44,291
from Canada

2312
00:56:44,291 --> 00:56:45,333
is really starting

2313
00:56:45,333 --> 00:56:46,791
to gain a lot of legs

2314
00:56:46,791 --> 00:56:48,083
and a lot of speed.

2315
00:56:48,083 --> 00:56:49,208
And,

2316
00:56:49,208 --> 00:56:49,875
you know,

2317
00:56:49,875 --> 00:56:51,041
25 years ago,

2318
00:56:51,041 --> 00:56:51,666
if you talked

2319
00:56:51,666 --> 00:56:53,541
about separation

2320
00:56:53,541 --> 00:56:54,375
from Canada,

2321
00:56:54,375 --> 00:56:56,291
like very even at that time,

2322
00:56:56,291 --> 00:56:57,333
because 25 years ago

2323
00:56:57,333 --> 00:56:58,125
we still had like

2324
00:56:58,125 --> 00:56:59,541
the National Energy Program

2325
00:56:59,541 --> 00:57:00,666
and all kinds of

2326
00:57:00,666 --> 00:57:02,166
really communist crap

2327
00:57:02,166 --> 00:57:03,458
that totally abuses

2328
00:57:03,458 --> 00:57:03,875
the wealth

2329
00:57:03,875 --> 00:57:05,083
generated in Alberta

2330
00:57:05,083 --> 00:57:06,375
and then takes the money

2331
00:57:06,375 --> 00:57:07,333
generated in Alberta

2332
00:57:07,333 --> 00:57:08,416
and redistributed

2333
00:57:08,416 --> 00:57:10,791
to the rest of Canada.

2334
00:57:10,791 --> 00:57:12,500
But then so, so

2335
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:13,791
lots of people wouldn't

2336
00:57:13,791 --> 00:57:15,541
really before the separatism.

2337
00:57:15,541 --> 00:57:18,166
But today it's it's

2338
00:57:18,166 --> 00:57:19,041
the conversation

2339
00:57:19,041 --> 00:57:20,291
has totally changed.

2340
00:57:20,291 --> 00:57:21,166
It's gone from

2341
00:57:21,166 --> 00:57:22,541
why would we do that

2342
00:57:22,541 --> 00:57:24,166
to we'd never be able

2343
00:57:24,166 --> 00:57:25,125
to do that

2344
00:57:25,125 --> 00:57:25,583
to that

2345
00:57:25,583 --> 00:57:26,583
would be really awesome

2346
00:57:26,583 --> 00:57:28,333
if we could do that to now

2347
00:57:28,333 --> 00:57:29,083
finally, like,

2348
00:57:29,083 --> 00:57:30,875
how do we do this?

2349
00:57:30,875 --> 00:57:32,791
And that gives me,

2350
00:57:32,791 --> 00:57:34,916
that makes me really excited

2351
00:57:34,916 --> 00:57:36,041
to be in Alberta

2352
00:57:36,041 --> 00:57:36,916
and kind of

2353
00:57:36,916 --> 00:57:39,125
be early on this shift,

2354
00:57:39,125 --> 00:57:41,125
because if you strip away

2355
00:57:41,125 --> 00:57:42,041
the federal government

2356
00:57:42,041 --> 00:57:44,208
of Canada, Alberta is

2357
00:57:44,208 --> 00:57:46,250
one of the greatest places,

2358
00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:47,416
in the world.

2359
00:57:47,416 --> 00:57:49,166
And every, everywhere

2360
00:57:49,166 --> 00:57:49,875
I've ever been

2361
00:57:49,875 --> 00:57:51,041
and ever visited, I'm

2362
00:57:51,041 --> 00:57:52,416
always really, really happy

2363
00:57:52,416 --> 00:57:54,208
to come home to Alberta.

2364
00:57:54,208 --> 00:57:55,333
Like,

2365
00:57:55,333 --> 00:57:56,041
one of the main

2366
00:57:56,041 --> 00:57:56,958
things I talk about

2367
00:57:56,958 --> 00:57:58,291
is that there, there's

2368
00:57:58,291 --> 00:57:59,625
just nobody here.

2369
00:57:59,625 --> 00:58:00,375
We have, like,

2370
00:58:00,375 --> 00:58:01,750
a very low population.

2371
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:03,083
And that's also changed

2372
00:58:03,083 --> 00:58:04,125
aggressively

2373
00:58:04,125 --> 00:58:04,666
over the last

2374
00:58:04,666 --> 00:58:05,208
couple of years.

2375
00:58:05,208 --> 00:58:06,208
But as soon as you're out of,

2376
00:58:06,208 --> 00:58:08,250
like, the sludge core cities,

2377
00:58:08,250 --> 00:58:09,166
there really

2378
00:58:09,166 --> 00:58:10,291
isn't a lot of people.

2379
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:12,500
So it feels

2380
00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:13,541
like, very spacious

2381
00:58:13,541 --> 00:58:14,416
and very comfortable

2382
00:58:14,416 --> 00:58:15,625
in that way.

2383
00:58:15,625 --> 00:58:17,791
And so it's my hope,

2384
00:58:17,791 --> 00:58:18,958
looking into the future,

2385
00:58:18,958 --> 00:58:20,333
that Alberta can separate

2386
00:58:20,333 --> 00:58:21,041
from Canada

2387
00:58:21,041 --> 00:58:22,458
and we can develop our

2388
00:58:22,458 --> 00:58:23,916
oil and gas industries,

2389
00:58:23,916 --> 00:58:24,541
and we can take

2390
00:58:24,541 --> 00:58:25,208
other parts

2391
00:58:25,208 --> 00:58:26,416
of, Saskatchewan,

2392
00:58:26,416 --> 00:58:27,083
British Columbia

2393
00:58:27,083 --> 00:58:28,125
on either side

2394
00:58:28,125 --> 00:58:29,041
with us,

2395
00:58:29,041 --> 00:58:30,041
and build

2396
00:58:30,041 --> 00:58:33,041
like a super power country.

2397
00:58:33,083 --> 00:58:34,166
And having it

2398
00:58:34,166 --> 00:58:35,375
having it's small enough

2399
00:58:35,375 --> 00:58:36,416
that, you know,

2400
00:58:36,416 --> 00:58:37,250
we don't have

2401
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:38,166
the sort of negative

2402
00:58:38,166 --> 00:58:40,125
effects of a nation state,

2403
00:58:40,125 --> 00:58:41,416
but big enough

2404
00:58:41,416 --> 00:58:43,125
that we have the ability

2405
00:58:43,125 --> 00:58:44,500
to kind of really develop

2406
00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:45,583
out our resources

2407
00:58:45,583 --> 00:58:46,250
and really

2408
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:47,958
become a prosperous society.

2409
00:58:47,958 --> 00:58:49,541
So

2410
00:58:49,541 --> 00:58:50,125
for that,

2411
00:58:50,125 --> 00:58:51,166
I really hope

2412
00:58:51,166 --> 00:58:52,208
to always be here.

2413
00:58:52,208 --> 00:58:53,375
But at the same time, like,

2414
00:58:53,375 --> 00:58:53,958
I'm kind of

2415
00:58:53,958 --> 00:58:54,916
keeping an eye out

2416
00:58:54,916 --> 00:58:56,000
because it just

2417
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,166
can keep getting worse

2418
00:58:57,166 --> 00:58:58,125
and worse and worse.

2419
00:58:58,125 --> 00:58:59,041
And like the taxes

2420
00:58:59,041 --> 00:58:59,708
just keep getting

2421
00:58:59,708 --> 00:59:00,500
higher and higher

2422
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:01,666
and like a huge motivator

2423
00:59:01,666 --> 00:59:02,500
right now for me,

2424
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:03,250
that's been poking

2425
00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:03,916
at me lately

2426
00:59:03,916 --> 00:59:05,166
for leaving Canada.

2427
00:59:05,166 --> 00:59:05,625
It's just that

2428
00:59:05,625 --> 00:59:07,125
the health care system

2429
00:59:07,125 --> 00:59:08,541
is so fucking bad

2430
00:59:08,541 --> 00:59:09,708
it's fucking impossible

2431
00:59:09,708 --> 00:59:11,125
to get a doctor.

2432
00:59:11,125 --> 00:59:13,875
You'll wait like four years

2433
00:59:13,875 --> 00:59:15,750
for a fucking surgery,

2434
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:17,416
and then you'll come in

2435
00:59:17,416 --> 00:59:18,250
to do your surgery

2436
00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:19,250
and they'll just decide

2437
00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:20,083
that, actually,

2438
00:59:20,083 --> 00:59:20,958
we're not going to do it.

2439
00:59:22,208 --> 00:59:23,958
There's all kinds of, like,

2440
00:59:23,958 --> 00:59:25,250
horrible horror

2441
00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:25,875
stories

2442
00:59:25,875 --> 00:59:26,750
around the health care

2443
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:27,333
system here

2444
00:59:27,333 --> 00:59:28,541
that are just drowned out

2445
00:59:28,541 --> 00:59:30,500
by our entirely state

2446
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:32,000
controlled media.

2447
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,250
And that,

2448
00:59:33,250 --> 00:59:34,750
like, was not a problem

2449
00:59:34,750 --> 00:59:36,000
for me when I was younger.

2450
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,333
But now that I'm starting

2451
00:59:37,333 --> 00:59:38,833
to get old and break myself

2452
00:59:38,833 --> 00:59:41,833
a whole lot, I'm really,

2453
00:59:42,041 --> 00:59:43,541
I, I really care

2454
00:59:43,541 --> 00:59:45,375
about being able to access

2455
00:59:45,375 --> 00:59:46,625
good health care

2456
00:59:46,625 --> 00:59:48,000
and, like, something

2457
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:48,958
a lot of people don't know

2458
00:59:48,958 --> 00:59:49,416
is that, like,

2459
00:59:49,416 --> 00:59:50,375
private health care in

2460
00:59:50,375 --> 00:59:52,000
Canada is illegal.

2461
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,083
So it's very difficult,

2462
00:59:54,083 --> 00:59:57,500
to get to get taken care of.

2463
00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:58,708
And there are tons of clinics

2464
00:59:58,708 --> 00:59:59,083
that, like,

2465
00:59:59,083 --> 01:00:00,708
find loopholes and ways

2466
01:00:00,708 --> 01:00:02,083
that they can provide

2467
01:00:02,083 --> 01:00:03,333
some level of private

2468
01:00:03,333 --> 01:00:04,583
care service.

2469
01:00:04,583 --> 01:00:05,833
But they're

2470
01:00:05,833 --> 01:00:07,291
all very limited,

2471
01:00:07,291 --> 01:00:08,166
very closed,

2472
01:00:08,166 --> 01:00:10,375
very difficult to get into.

2473
01:00:10,375 --> 01:00:11,250
And even

2474
01:00:11,250 --> 01:00:12,041
when you're involved

2475
01:00:12,041 --> 01:00:13,125
with them, mostly

2476
01:00:13,125 --> 01:00:13,708
what they are

2477
01:00:13,708 --> 01:00:14,958
is kind of onboarding you

2478
01:00:14,958 --> 01:00:15,625
to clinics

2479
01:00:15,625 --> 01:00:17,500
or doctors or hospitals

2480
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:18,625
in the United States.

2481
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:20,208
And then

2482
01:00:20,208 --> 01:00:20,833
you're having to

2483
01:00:20,833 --> 01:00:21,833
leave the country

2484
01:00:21,833 --> 01:00:22,666
to get sort of

2485
01:00:22,666 --> 01:00:23,625
procedures done

2486
01:00:23,625 --> 01:00:24,583
and pay for that

2487
01:00:24,583 --> 01:00:26,000
on top of being tax,

2488
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,958
you know, 50% of your income,

2489
01:00:27,958 --> 01:00:29,416
and then all the other

2490
01:00:29,416 --> 01:00:30,458
layers of taxes

2491
01:00:30,458 --> 01:00:32,500
that add up to roughly

2492
01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:35,750
75 to 80% of of the dollars

2493
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:36,333
that you earn in

2494
01:00:36,333 --> 01:00:36,958
Canada are

2495
01:00:36,958 --> 01:00:38,958
taken by the state.

2496
01:00:38,958 --> 01:00:40,666
So, yeah, it's difficult,

2497
01:00:40,666 --> 01:00:41,416
but I'm hopeful

2498
01:00:41,416 --> 01:00:42,500
it will change.

2499
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:42,916
And like,

2500
01:00:42,916 --> 01:00:46,125
Alberta is a ranching place.

2501
01:00:46,125 --> 01:00:47,750
It's an oil and gas place.

2502
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:49,375
It's an innovative place.

2503
01:00:49,375 --> 01:00:50,500
It really does

2504
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:51,541
have a lot of potential.

2505
01:00:51,541 --> 01:00:52,333
And if we can kind of

2506
01:00:52,333 --> 01:00:53,625
stop the brain drain

2507
01:00:53,625 --> 01:00:54,333
that's happening,

2508
01:00:54,333 --> 01:00:56,208
which, is happening

2509
01:00:56,208 --> 01:00:57,041
across Canada,

2510
01:00:57,041 --> 01:00:58,041
but very specifically

2511
01:00:58,041 --> 01:00:59,416
in Alberta, that, like,

2512
01:00:59,416 --> 01:01:00,916
all the super intelligent

2513
01:01:00,916 --> 01:01:02,750
and highly capable people,

2514
01:01:02,750 --> 01:01:04,333
just fucking leave.

2515
01:01:05,333 --> 01:01:06,416
Because I

2516
01:01:06,416 --> 01:01:07,250
can even just,

2517
01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:08,000
like, right now

2518
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:08,500
by, like,

2519
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:09,166
moving into

2520
01:01:09,166 --> 01:01:10,250
the United States,

2521
01:01:10,250 --> 01:01:13,166
I can just five my wealth

2522
01:01:13,166 --> 01:01:14,208
and my net worth,

2523
01:01:14,208 --> 01:01:16,250
even with paying the even

2524
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:17,125
with paying,

2525
01:01:17,125 --> 01:01:18,250
like the cost of living

2526
01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:19,125
in the United States

2527
01:01:19,125 --> 01:01:20,333
and all that,

2528
01:01:20,333 --> 01:01:21,416
it's not everywhere,

2529
01:01:21,416 --> 01:01:22,750
depending on where you choose

2530
01:01:22,750 --> 01:01:24,250
and just having access

2531
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:26,166
to like a proper real market

2532
01:01:26,166 --> 01:01:27,583
and being able to

2533
01:01:27,583 --> 01:01:28,916
be surrounded by people

2534
01:01:28,916 --> 01:01:30,291
who are able to produce

2535
01:01:30,291 --> 01:01:31,958
like wealth at scale,

2536
01:01:31,958 --> 01:01:34,541
and that have like less

2537
01:01:34,541 --> 01:01:35,500
of the limitations

2538
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:36,541
that exists in Canada

2539
01:01:36,541 --> 01:01:38,500
is so powerful.

2540
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:39,708
So it's very tempting

2541
01:01:39,708 --> 01:01:42,208
to like to, to, to leave.

2542
01:01:42,208 --> 01:01:44,916
And I think that anyone

2543
01:01:44,916 --> 01:01:46,750
who really,

2544
01:01:46,750 --> 01:01:47,083
you know,

2545
01:01:47,083 --> 01:01:47,916
has it together,

2546
01:01:47,916 --> 01:01:48,750
that's exactly

2547
01:01:48,750 --> 01:01:49,583
what they do, is like,

2548
01:01:49,583 --> 01:01:51,250
get the hell out of here.

2549
01:01:51,250 --> 01:01:52,666
Which is really sad

2550
01:01:52,666 --> 01:01:53,291
because we just

2551
01:01:53,291 --> 01:01:54,375
lose a lot of the.

2552
01:01:54,375 --> 01:01:55,083
And then we're just.

2553
01:01:55,083 --> 01:01:55,958
I think that's why

2554
01:01:55,958 --> 01:01:56,666
we've become, like,

2555
01:01:56,666 --> 01:01:57,791
such a fucking

2556
01:01:57,791 --> 01:01:59,250
commie shithole place

2557
01:01:59,250 --> 01:02:00,083
is because

2558
01:02:00,083 --> 01:02:01,625
so many brilliant minds

2559
01:02:01,625 --> 01:02:02,833
have fucking left,

2560
01:02:02,833 --> 01:02:04,000
and we're kind of just left

2561
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:04,708
with all the

2562
01:02:04,708 --> 01:02:06,291
incompetent noobs

2563
01:02:06,291 --> 01:02:07,125
that, you know,

2564
01:02:07,125 --> 01:02:08,250
are more concerned

2565
01:02:08,250 --> 01:02:09,500
about taking

2566
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:10,750
and stealing the wealth

2567
01:02:10,750 --> 01:02:11,541
that has been produced

2568
01:02:11,541 --> 01:02:12,375
by others

2569
01:02:12,375 --> 01:02:13,250
than finding a way

2570
01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:14,291
to generate their,

2571
01:02:14,291 --> 01:02:15,666
their own prosperity.

2572
01:02:16,833 --> 01:02:18,541
And it yeah, it sucks.

2573
01:02:18,541 --> 01:02:20,166
So

2574
01:02:20,166 --> 01:02:21,791
long rant, but

2575
01:02:21,791 --> 01:02:23,375
and you know, I agree

2576
01:02:23,375 --> 01:02:24,250
with so much of it.

2577
01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:25,208
I mean, I'm going to pretend

2578
01:02:25,208 --> 01:02:25,666
you haven't

2579
01:02:25,666 --> 01:02:26,708
been talking about me

2580
01:02:26,708 --> 01:02:27,541
giving me compliments

2581
01:02:27,541 --> 01:02:28,583
this whole time.

2582
01:02:28,583 --> 01:02:30,500
Because because I did,

2583
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:33,750
I did leave, and, and,

2584
01:02:33,791 --> 01:02:35,041
you know, the circumstances

2585
01:02:35,041 --> 01:02:36,250
for that weren't like,

2586
01:02:36,250 --> 01:02:37,750
I wasn't desperate to leave.

2587
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:38,750
But the thing was,

2588
01:02:38,750 --> 01:02:39,500
as soon as I got

2589
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:42,333
the opportunity, I took it.

2590
01:02:42,333 --> 01:02:43,916
And one of the reasons for

2591
01:02:43,916 --> 01:02:45,125
that was just because there

2592
01:02:45,125 --> 01:02:46,000
there was no job

2593
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,083
security here.

2594
01:02:47,083 --> 01:02:49,875
None like any of the oil

2595
01:02:49,875 --> 01:02:51,250
and gas companies here

2596
01:02:51,250 --> 01:02:52,791
could go on a layoff spree

2597
01:02:52,791 --> 01:02:53,666
at any time,

2598
01:02:53,666 --> 01:02:55,041
and everyone would understand

2599
01:02:55,041 --> 01:02:56,750
and know why, right?

2600
01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:57,833
Because because just

2601
01:02:57,833 --> 01:02:58,666
the economic

2602
01:02:58,666 --> 01:03:00,666
conditions sucked.

2603
01:03:00,666 --> 01:03:02,625
And and so taking

2604
01:03:02,625 --> 01:03:03,541
that way out

2605
01:03:03,541 --> 01:03:04,541
that that lifeline

2606
01:03:04,541 --> 01:03:05,708
I mean

2607
01:03:05,708 --> 01:03:07,500
I've got a lot of FOMO for,

2608
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:08,250
for not

2609
01:03:08,250 --> 01:03:08,916
being in the

2610
01:03:08,916 --> 01:03:09,791
Alberta community

2611
01:03:09,791 --> 01:03:10,750
because it seems like there's

2612
01:03:10,750 --> 01:03:11,625
a lot of awesome stuff

2613
01:03:11,625 --> 01:03:12,208
going on there.

2614
01:03:12,208 --> 01:03:13,166
At the same time,

2615
01:03:13,166 --> 01:03:14,083
I really think

2616
01:03:14,083 --> 01:03:15,791
it would be hard

2617
01:03:15,791 --> 01:03:17,541
to to live in the conditions

2618
01:03:17,541 --> 01:03:18,916
you're you're talking about.

2619
01:03:18,916 --> 01:03:19,666
I mean,

2620
01:03:19,666 --> 01:03:20,666
I mean,

2621
01:03:20,666 --> 01:03:21,541
where, where I've,

2622
01:03:21,541 --> 01:03:22,583
where I've gone to is,

2623
01:03:22,583 --> 01:03:24,041
is definitely not this,

2624
01:03:24,041 --> 01:03:25,083
this like,

2625
01:03:25,083 --> 01:03:26,750
libertarian Paradise

2626
01:03:26,750 --> 01:03:27,458
by any means.

2627
01:03:27,458 --> 01:03:28,708
But but Finland

2628
01:03:28,708 --> 01:03:29,750
is culturally

2629
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:31,541
a lot like Alberta,

2630
01:03:31,541 --> 01:03:32,375
and certainly

2631
01:03:32,375 --> 01:03:32,750
I would say

2632
01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:33,500
Alberta compared

2633
01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:36,250
to other parts of, of Canada

2634
01:03:36,250 --> 01:03:36,833
in that

2635
01:03:36,833 --> 01:03:38,291
it is very individualistic,

2636
01:03:38,291 --> 01:03:39,500
despite having

2637
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:41,500
a pretty big state there.

2638
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:43,458
But but the thing is,

2639
01:03:44,416 --> 01:03:45,375
there isn't this,

2640
01:03:45,375 --> 01:03:46,541
this constant stress

2641
01:03:46,541 --> 01:03:47,000
that everything

2642
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:47,958
is going to

2643
01:03:47,958 --> 01:03:49,166
going to just crumble.

2644
01:03:49,166 --> 01:03:50,125
And I mean, that was

2645
01:03:50,125 --> 01:03:51,250
that was the biggest thing.

2646
01:03:51,250 --> 01:03:51,916
And I,

2647
01:03:51,916 --> 01:03:53,250
I think if Alberta were able

2648
01:03:53,250 --> 01:03:54,791
to actually achieve

2649
01:03:54,791 --> 01:03:55,625
some measure

2650
01:03:55,625 --> 01:03:56,958
of independence and,

2651
01:03:56,958 --> 01:03:58,000
and not constantly

2652
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:58,583
having the rest

2653
01:03:58,583 --> 01:03:59,750
of the country

2654
01:03:59,750 --> 01:04:00,625
take, take,

2655
01:04:00,625 --> 01:04:01,541
take this,

2656
01:04:01,541 --> 01:04:02,000
this is

2657
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:02,500
this is just

2658
01:04:02,500 --> 01:04:04,000
the ridiculous thing.

2659
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:04,541
Every year

2660
01:04:04,541 --> 01:04:04,916
when,

2661
01:04:04,916 --> 01:04:06,000
when the new

2662
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,750
equalization payments

2663
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:09,416
come out, the, the,

2664
01:04:09,416 --> 01:04:10,750
the for for those

2665
01:04:10,750 --> 01:04:11,791
who don't know, like the,

2666
01:04:11,791 --> 01:04:13,958
the the system of payments

2667
01:04:13,958 --> 01:04:15,041
from the so-called

2668
01:04:15,041 --> 01:04:16,500
have provinces in Canada

2669
01:04:16,500 --> 01:04:18,166
to the so-called have nots

2670
01:04:18,166 --> 01:04:21,208
and it's really, Quebec,

2671
01:04:21,208 --> 01:04:22,541
the French speaking region is

2672
01:04:22,541 --> 01:04:23,750
is mostly the is

2673
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:24,333
most of the,

2674
01:04:24,333 --> 01:04:25,041
the have nots

2675
01:04:25,041 --> 01:04:26,333
and Alberta and Saskatchewan

2676
01:04:26,333 --> 01:04:27,875
and the producing provinces

2677
01:04:27,875 --> 01:04:29,625
are the big haves.

2678
01:04:29,625 --> 01:04:30,250
It's just it's

2679
01:04:30,250 --> 01:04:31,250
just ridiculous to me.

2680
01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:32,416
Like that's it's

2681
01:04:32,416 --> 01:04:33,583
such a blunt instrument.

2682
01:04:33,583 --> 01:04:34,333
That's not the way

2683
01:04:34,333 --> 01:04:35,291
to, to do it.

2684
01:04:35,291 --> 01:04:35,916
And

2685
01:04:35,916 --> 01:04:37,250
and it just creates

2686
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:39,000
this, this resentment

2687
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:39,750
and it creates

2688
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:41,083
a dependance as well.

2689
01:04:41,083 --> 01:04:41,583
Of course.

2690
01:04:41,583 --> 01:04:42,750
I mean,

2691
01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:43,333
we can cycle

2692
01:04:43,333 --> 01:04:44,083
back to something else

2693
01:04:44,083 --> 01:04:45,208
you said about,

2694
01:04:45,208 --> 01:04:47,708
really just the the

2695
01:04:49,041 --> 01:04:50,333
culture of

2696
01:04:50,333 --> 01:04:51,166
being

2697
01:04:51,166 --> 01:04:53,083
dependent and of, of

2698
01:04:53,083 --> 01:04:54,458
thinking it's normal

2699
01:04:54,458 --> 01:04:56,958
to, to have society

2700
01:04:56,958 --> 01:04:58,416
be based on

2701
01:04:58,416 --> 01:04:59,958
taking from other people.

2702
01:04:59,958 --> 01:05:01,541
Like,

2703
01:05:01,541 --> 01:05:03,375
the thing about Rand's

2704
01:05:03,375 --> 01:05:05,750
work, Atlas Shrugged,

2705
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:06,416
and I think the thing

2706
01:05:06,416 --> 01:05:07,250
that really gets me

2707
01:05:07,250 --> 01:05:08,791
there is it's just that

2708
01:05:08,791 --> 01:05:09,833
when people have had enough,

2709
01:05:09,833 --> 01:05:10,333
they're just going to

2710
01:05:10,333 --> 01:05:11,750
opt out.

2711
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:13,000
Like,

2712
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,916
I, I care about my family.

2713
01:05:15,916 --> 01:05:17,250
I care about my

2714
01:05:17,250 --> 01:05:19,333
my friends, my community.

2715
01:05:19,333 --> 01:05:22,250
I'm I'm going to help them,

2716
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:25,541
but not if I'm forced to

2717
01:05:25,583 --> 01:05:27,375
write like, I'm not going.

2718
01:05:27,375 --> 01:05:29,875
If I'm forced to help

2719
01:05:29,875 --> 01:05:31,333
the entire rest

2720
01:05:31,333 --> 01:05:32,875
of my country, whatever.

2721
01:05:32,875 --> 01:05:33,916
Like.

2722
01:05:33,916 --> 01:05:35,625
And I have no control over

2723
01:05:35,625 --> 01:05:36,250
what's going on.

2724
01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:36,708
It's just

2725
01:05:36,708 --> 01:05:37,458
there's a breaking

2726
01:05:37,458 --> 01:05:38,083
point, right?

2727
01:05:38,083 --> 01:05:39,875
No matter how good

2728
01:05:39,875 --> 01:05:41,083
conditions are.

2729
01:05:41,083 --> 01:05:42,583
And I think that's the thing

2730
01:05:42,583 --> 01:05:43,541
that that,

2731
01:05:43,541 --> 01:05:47,500
none of the people who are

2732
01:05:48,041 --> 01:05:51,041
left leaning or even even

2733
01:05:51,291 --> 01:05:51,791
all the way

2734
01:05:51,791 --> 01:05:53,250
call me basically in Canada,

2735
01:05:53,250 --> 01:05:55,000
really get across the world.

2736
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,875
But I'm familiar with Canada.

2737
01:05:56,875 --> 01:05:58,333
Like I see people online

2738
01:05:58,333 --> 01:06:00,250
talking about how Trudeau

2739
01:06:00,250 --> 01:06:02,541
is actually awesome

2740
01:06:02,541 --> 01:06:04,791
and the Conservative Party

2741
01:06:04,791 --> 01:06:07,125
is only just going to,

2742
01:06:07,125 --> 01:06:07,875
you know,

2743
01:06:07,875 --> 01:06:08,958
cut all these services

2744
01:06:08,958 --> 01:06:09,791
and make everything worse.

2745
01:06:09,791 --> 01:06:10,583
And, I mean, maybe they are

2746
01:06:10,583 --> 01:06:11,125
maybe they are going

2747
01:06:11,125 --> 01:06:11,916
to make everything worse.

2748
01:06:11,916 --> 01:06:13,333
I, I'm not pretending that,

2749
01:06:13,333 --> 01:06:14,750
the politics is the

2750
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:15,375
is the cure

2751
01:06:15,375 --> 01:06:16,375
all here,

2752
01:06:16,375 --> 01:06:19,375
but it's it's just crazy how,

2753
01:06:19,375 --> 01:06:21,166
there's always talk

2754
01:06:21,166 --> 01:06:22,875
about about

2755
01:06:22,875 --> 01:06:24,041
putting in your fair

2756
01:06:24,041 --> 01:06:27,041
share into society and,

2757
01:06:27,416 --> 01:06:28,708
and that

2758
01:06:28,708 --> 01:06:30,041
millionaires and billionaires

2759
01:06:30,041 --> 01:06:30,916
and the most successful

2760
01:06:30,916 --> 01:06:32,083
have to pay more, pay more,

2761
01:06:32,083 --> 01:06:33,708
pay more like

2762
01:06:33,708 --> 01:06:34,166
like it's

2763
01:06:34,166 --> 01:06:34,666
all about the

2764
01:06:34,666 --> 01:06:35,750
percentage of tax

2765
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:37,125
that you pay.

2766
01:06:37,125 --> 01:06:39,500
And it's really just,

2767
01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:41,208
it's it's so infuriating

2768
01:06:41,208 --> 01:06:42,750
because because that money

2769
01:06:42,750 --> 01:06:44,125
can be so much better spent.

2770
01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:44,541
Just

2771
01:06:45,833 --> 01:06:47,208
if I could just funnel money

2772
01:06:47,208 --> 01:06:48,958
into into my business,

2773
01:06:48,958 --> 01:06:51,041
if I could just help out

2774
01:06:51,041 --> 01:06:52,208
where I want to help out.

2775
01:06:52,208 --> 01:06:52,875
You know,

2776
01:06:52,875 --> 01:06:54,916
my buddy needs a boost,

2777
01:06:54,916 --> 01:06:56,500
because

2778
01:06:56,500 --> 01:06:58,208
he's in trouble temporarily.

2779
01:06:58,208 --> 01:06:58,625
Whatever.

2780
01:06:58,625 --> 01:06:59,833
Or there's some charity

2781
01:06:59,833 --> 01:07:00,750
that I.

2782
01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:02,916
I actually like. Right.

2783
01:07:02,916 --> 01:07:04,250
I'm going to do that.

2784
01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:05,833
But if it's all taken away,

2785
01:07:05,833 --> 01:07:06,500
that incentive

2786
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:07,333
just goes away.

2787
01:07:07,333 --> 01:07:08,791
And so,

2788
01:07:08,791 --> 01:07:09,583
yeah, I'm, I'm

2789
01:07:09,583 --> 01:07:12,583
just I'm just honestly,

2790
01:07:12,666 --> 01:07:14,000
I really hope that

2791
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,291
that Alberta can actually

2792
01:07:16,291 --> 01:07:17,625
achieve independence.

2793
01:07:17,625 --> 01:07:18,708
I really want that.

2794
01:07:18,708 --> 01:07:20,000
I, I think that's,

2795
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,208
that's going to be good for,

2796
01:07:21,208 --> 01:07:22,541
for Canada.

2797
01:07:22,541 --> 01:07:24,375
To, to get its lifeline

2798
01:07:24,375 --> 01:07:25,000
taken away.

2799
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:25,666
And that's going to be good

2800
01:07:25,666 --> 01:07:29,500
for Alberta and, well,

2801
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:31,125
I think a trend

2802
01:07:31,125 --> 01:07:32,333
anyway, worldwide

2803
01:07:32,333 --> 01:07:33,041
is going to be

2804
01:07:33,041 --> 01:07:35,083
some of this fragmenting,

2805
01:07:35,083 --> 01:07:35,583
you know,

2806
01:07:35,583 --> 01:07:37,416
that some of these bigger

2807
01:07:37,416 --> 01:07:39,208
countries and bigger,

2808
01:07:39,208 --> 01:07:40,583
associations

2809
01:07:40,583 --> 01:07:41,333
are going to start

2810
01:07:41,333 --> 01:07:42,291
to decentralize more.

2811
01:07:42,291 --> 01:07:43,250
There's even talk about that

2812
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:44,041
in the States, right.

2813
01:07:44,041 --> 01:07:46,750
So, yeah, what do you

2814
01:07:46,750 --> 01:07:47,750
what do you think about that?

2815
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:48,375
Like the,

2816
01:07:48,375 --> 01:07:50,375
the way things are going.

2817
01:07:50,375 --> 01:07:51,041
Well, I mean,

2818
01:07:51,041 --> 01:07:53,708
I think often about

2819
01:07:53,708 --> 01:07:55,875
how in a free society,

2820
01:07:55,875 --> 01:07:58,875
if you want to help the poor

2821
01:07:58,875 --> 01:08:00,000
or the less fortunate

2822
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,458
or you want to make

2823
01:08:01,458 --> 01:08:03,500
a, a contribution,

2824
01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:05,125
nobody will stop

2825
01:08:05,125 --> 01:08:07,083
you from doing that.

2826
01:08:07,083 --> 01:08:09,708
And the the state

2827
01:08:09,708 --> 01:08:10,416
of the world,

2828
01:08:10,416 --> 01:08:11,333
like the governments of the

2829
01:08:11,333 --> 01:08:13,041
world, have really

2830
01:08:14,291 --> 01:08:15,791
put a lot of money and a

2831
01:08:15,791 --> 01:08:16,458
lot of time

2832
01:08:16,458 --> 01:08:17,416
and a lot of effort

2833
01:08:17,416 --> 01:08:19,416
into convincing us that

2834
01:08:19,416 --> 01:08:20,250
if it wasn't

2835
01:08:20,250 --> 01:08:23,250
for their benevolent grace,

2836
01:08:23,291 --> 01:08:25,833
that all the less fortunate

2837
01:08:25,833 --> 01:08:26,833
would just die

2838
01:08:26,833 --> 01:08:28,625
in the streets.

2839
01:08:28,625 --> 01:08:29,750
And it's just not

2840
01:08:29,750 --> 01:08:32,458
a true reality at all.

2841
01:08:32,458 --> 01:08:34,666
I think that for the,

2842
01:08:34,666 --> 01:08:36,041
for the most part

2843
01:08:36,041 --> 01:08:38,208
in, in Canada

2844
01:08:38,208 --> 01:08:39,083
and in America,

2845
01:08:39,083 --> 01:08:39,791
that people are

2846
01:08:39,791 --> 01:08:41,375
inherently good.

2847
01:08:41,375 --> 01:08:43,541
And I think that they are

2848
01:08:43,541 --> 01:08:47,625
pushed by the theft, to act

2849
01:08:47,625 --> 01:08:48,708
in, in ways

2850
01:08:48,708 --> 01:08:49,666
that they wouldn't normally

2851
01:08:49,666 --> 01:08:50,250
if they were,

2852
01:08:50,250 --> 01:08:52,666
if they were more free.

2853
01:08:52,666 --> 01:08:53,666
For example,

2854
01:08:53,666 --> 01:08:55,666
like if you're earning

2855
01:08:55,666 --> 01:08:56,833
crazy amounts of money

2856
01:08:56,833 --> 01:08:58,416
in the taxes, low you,

2857
01:08:58,416 --> 01:09:01,166
you, you have,

2858
01:09:01,166 --> 01:09:01,958
you're more likely

2859
01:09:01,958 --> 01:09:02,875
to have an attitude

2860
01:09:02,875 --> 01:09:04,000
to want to give back

2861
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:04,625
and want to do

2862
01:09:04,625 --> 01:09:05,541
something meaningful

2863
01:09:05,541 --> 01:09:06,166
and want to make

2864
01:09:06,166 --> 01:09:07,541
a contribution

2865
01:09:07,541 --> 01:09:08,416
like a donation

2866
01:09:08,416 --> 01:09:10,333
or do something charitable

2867
01:09:10,333 --> 01:09:10,750
with the

2868
01:09:10,750 --> 01:09:11,291
with the money

2869
01:09:11,291 --> 01:09:12,541
that you're earning.

2870
01:09:12,541 --> 01:09:13,250
Then

2871
01:09:13,250 --> 01:09:14,541
if you're working

2872
01:09:14,541 --> 01:09:15,833
equally as hard

2873
01:09:15,833 --> 01:09:17,000
and having

2874
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:18,750
half of what you earn

2875
01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:20,166
stole in from you,

2876
01:09:20,166 --> 01:09:21,541
and you're being berated

2877
01:09:21,541 --> 01:09:22,458
and told that you're

2878
01:09:22,458 --> 01:09:23,333
a terrible person

2879
01:09:23,333 --> 01:09:24,250
for being able

2880
01:09:24,250 --> 01:09:25,000
to produce

2881
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:25,875
that kind of wealth,

2882
01:09:25,875 --> 01:09:26,875
and that you don't deserve

2883
01:09:26,875 --> 01:09:27,333
to have it

2884
01:09:27,333 --> 01:09:28,208
in the first place,

2885
01:09:28,208 --> 01:09:28,625
and that there

2886
01:09:28,625 --> 01:09:29,625
are other people

2887
01:09:29,625 --> 01:09:30,833
who need it more than you.

2888
01:09:30,833 --> 01:09:32,541
And it's being taken.

2889
01:09:32,541 --> 01:09:34,458
I think that just turns you

2890
01:09:34,458 --> 01:09:36,916
into the type of person who

2891
01:09:36,916 --> 01:09:37,708
does want to

2892
01:09:37,708 --> 01:09:38,833
just let people die

2893
01:09:38,833 --> 01:09:39,958
in the streets,

2894
01:09:39,958 --> 01:09:43,625
and, and makes you angry,

2895
01:09:43,625 --> 01:09:44,875
and it makes you resent

2896
01:09:44,875 --> 01:09:45,416
the people

2897
01:09:45,416 --> 01:09:46,458
who are less fortunate

2898
01:09:46,458 --> 01:09:48,625
because you are being robbed.

2899
01:09:48,625 --> 01:09:52,125
In, in, in their name,

2900
01:09:52,125 --> 01:09:53,208
which really creates

2901
01:09:53,208 --> 01:09:54,416
sort of a negative,

2902
01:09:54,416 --> 01:09:55,666
a really

2903
01:09:55,666 --> 01:09:57,166
negative sphere to be in.

2904
01:09:58,166 --> 01:09:59,416
Versus like I said, if you're

2905
01:09:59,416 --> 01:10:01,291
just crushing it,

2906
01:10:01,291 --> 01:10:02,750
making extremely good money,

2907
01:10:02,750 --> 01:10:03,625
you're left alone.

2908
01:10:03,625 --> 01:10:04,458
You're celebrated

2909
01:10:04,458 --> 01:10:05,291
for your production

2910
01:10:05,291 --> 01:10:07,166
and your contribution.

2911
01:10:07,166 --> 01:10:10,166
And, you know, you're you're

2912
01:10:10,625 --> 01:10:11,750
at that point,

2913
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:13,333
I, I, you know, yeah.

2914
01:10:13,333 --> 01:10:15,375
Some there will be some like

2915
01:10:15,375 --> 01:10:16,458
bad apples here

2916
01:10:16,458 --> 01:10:17,416
and there that are like,

2917
01:10:17,416 --> 01:10:18,583
no, fuck everybody.

2918
01:10:18,583 --> 01:10:21,125
I'm just taking all of it.

2919
01:10:21,125 --> 01:10:22,291
But I don't believe it.

2920
01:10:22,291 --> 01:10:23,750
It's true at all

2921
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:24,375
that that would be

2922
01:10:24,375 --> 01:10:25,166
the only case

2923
01:10:25,166 --> 01:10:26,750
I think we would find.

2924
01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:27,916
I think we would find

2925
01:10:27,916 --> 01:10:30,250
the state of all the things

2926
01:10:30,250 --> 01:10:31,333
that the fucking commies

2927
01:10:31,333 --> 01:10:32,083
cry about,

2928
01:10:32,083 --> 01:10:33,375
which is just shields

2929
01:10:33,375 --> 01:10:35,000
their own lust for power

2930
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,750
would be solved, very,

2931
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:40,166
very quickly by private,

2932
01:10:40,166 --> 01:10:41,458
participants.

2933
01:10:41,458 --> 01:10:44,458
Every, every sort of,

2934
01:10:45,541 --> 01:10:47,000
every program

2935
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,125
that the government

2936
01:10:48,125 --> 01:10:49,291
has come up with,

2937
01:10:49,291 --> 01:10:51,166
the private

2938
01:10:51,166 --> 01:10:52,333
sector could do it

2939
01:10:52,333 --> 01:10:53,541
way, way better.

2940
01:10:53,541 --> 01:10:55,083
And I think certainly would,

2941
01:10:55,083 --> 01:10:56,041
especially

2942
01:10:56,041 --> 01:10:56,708
if they were not

2943
01:10:56,708 --> 01:10:58,625
being stolen from

2944
01:10:58,625 --> 01:11:00,916
so I hope to see that

2945
01:11:00,916 --> 01:11:02,250
kind of change.

2946
01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:04,416
In, in Alberta,

2947
01:11:04,416 --> 01:11:05,750
I think people in Alberta

2948
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:07,458
feel that way a lot.

2949
01:11:07,458 --> 01:11:08,083
And like,

2950
01:11:08,083 --> 01:11:09,041
the cities are bad

2951
01:11:09,041 --> 01:11:10,208
samples in Canada

2952
01:11:10,208 --> 01:11:12,416
because they're just totally.

2953
01:11:12,416 --> 01:11:13,750
That's where

2954
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:14,333
like when you're

2955
01:11:14,333 --> 01:11:15,791
living in a city, you are

2956
01:11:15,791 --> 01:11:17,125
you are fully dependent,

2957
01:11:17,125 --> 01:11:19,000
on the city.

2958
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,208
So you're much more prone

2959
01:11:20,208 --> 01:11:21,250
to, like, the collectivist

2960
01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:23,416
thinking, versus

2961
01:11:23,416 --> 01:11:24,625
when you're rural,

2962
01:11:24,625 --> 01:11:25,041
you know,

2963
01:11:25,041 --> 01:11:26,416
you have to

2964
01:11:26,416 --> 01:11:27,791
plow your own driveway.

2965
01:11:27,791 --> 01:11:30,166
You have to, you know, shit,

2966
01:11:30,166 --> 01:11:31,458
go and seek out your own.

2967
01:11:31,458 --> 01:11:32,000
So you got to

2968
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:32,750
figure things out

2969
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:34,083
for yourself.

2970
01:11:34,083 --> 01:11:36,916
And so, you know,

2971
01:11:36,916 --> 01:11:37,250
I hope

2972
01:11:37,250 --> 01:11:38,250
that more people

2973
01:11:38,250 --> 01:11:39,583
can kind of understand that,

2974
01:11:39,583 --> 01:11:41,166
because right now,

2975
01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:42,125
how how it is,

2976
01:11:42,125 --> 01:11:43,333
is that all the wealth

2977
01:11:43,333 --> 01:11:44,500
just leaves.

2978
01:11:44,500 --> 01:11:45,958
So, like,

2979
01:11:45,958 --> 01:11:47,416
everyone kind of

2980
01:11:47,416 --> 01:11:48,916
cries and screams about it.

2981
01:11:48,916 --> 01:11:49,541
And then they put

2982
01:11:49,541 --> 01:11:50,041
in these, like,

2983
01:11:50,041 --> 01:11:51,583
completely insane rules,

2984
01:11:51,583 --> 01:11:52,583
which I think we saw

2985
01:11:52,583 --> 01:11:54,000
in one of those,

2986
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,291
like northern European

2987
01:11:55,291 --> 01:11:56,291
countries recently.

2988
01:11:56,291 --> 01:11:57,750
Where they up the wealth

2989
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:59,166
tax and crazy amount

2990
01:11:59,166 --> 01:12:00,541
and all the fucking

2991
01:12:00,541 --> 01:12:00,958
idiot

2992
01:12:00,958 --> 01:12:02,416
bureaucrats were excited

2993
01:12:02,416 --> 01:12:03,458
about how much more money

2994
01:12:03,458 --> 01:12:04,666
they'd be able to invest,

2995
01:12:04,666 --> 01:12:05,708
and they were all designing

2996
01:12:05,708 --> 01:12:07,041
their new lake houses.

2997
01:12:07,041 --> 01:12:08,333
And then all of a sudden,

2998
01:12:08,333 --> 01:12:10,541
they had far less than they

2999
01:12:10,541 --> 01:12:12,291
did the year before

3000
01:12:12,291 --> 01:12:15,291
because so much capital fled.

3001
01:12:15,333 --> 01:12:18,958
And I think that the harder

3002
01:12:18,958 --> 01:12:20,041
that the state pushes

3003
01:12:20,041 --> 01:12:22,166
to increase their theft,

3004
01:12:22,166 --> 01:12:23,250
the more we're going to

3005
01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:24,833
see that sort of escape.

3006
01:12:26,208 --> 01:12:28,375
And, I think that

3007
01:12:28,375 --> 01:12:29,625
there are jurisdictions

3008
01:12:29,625 --> 01:12:30,458
and there are places

3009
01:12:30,458 --> 01:12:31,000
in the world

3010
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,041
that will realize

3011
01:12:32,041 --> 01:12:33,166
the opportunity

3012
01:12:33,166 --> 01:12:36,166
of saying like, hey, all,

3013
01:12:36,458 --> 01:12:37,875
all we have to do

3014
01:12:37,875 --> 01:12:39,916
is make this country

3015
01:12:39,916 --> 01:12:42,916
tax fucking free.

3016
01:12:43,791 --> 01:12:45,500
Or like just the lowest

3017
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:47,083
possible tax

3018
01:12:47,083 --> 01:12:47,666
and you'll will

3019
01:12:47,666 --> 01:12:49,000
just brain drain like

3020
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:50,958
look at fucking Dubai

3021
01:12:50,958 --> 01:12:52,083
and like

3022
01:12:52,083 --> 01:12:52,958
and you know all the

3023
01:12:52,958 --> 01:12:54,166
all those little islands

3024
01:12:54,166 --> 01:12:55,041
in the Caribbean

3025
01:12:55,041 --> 01:12:56,250
and these places

3026
01:12:56,250 --> 01:12:56,916
around the world,

3027
01:12:56,916 --> 01:12:57,625
it's like

3028
01:12:57,625 --> 01:12:59,166
one somewhere

3029
01:12:59,166 --> 01:12:59,875
along the line,

3030
01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:00,416
one of these

3031
01:13:00,416 --> 01:13:01,583
first world countries

3032
01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:02,375
that is really,

3033
01:13:02,375 --> 01:13:03,708
really amazing

3034
01:13:03,708 --> 01:13:04,708
that people want to live

3035
01:13:04,708 --> 01:13:05,500
in is going to be like,

3036
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:06,500
you know what?

3037
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:07,500
Let's just fucking do

3038
01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:07,916
the whole

3039
01:13:07,916 --> 01:13:09,375
no tax thing and create

3040
01:13:09,375 --> 01:13:11,083
a haven for for businesses

3041
01:13:11,083 --> 01:13:11,958
and then

3042
01:13:11,958 --> 01:13:13,208
the entire world,

3043
01:13:13,208 --> 01:13:14,041
especially if it's a

3044
01:13:14,041 --> 01:13:15,625
really fucking good place.

3045
01:13:15,625 --> 01:13:17,375
We'll flood there

3046
01:13:17,375 --> 01:13:18,375
and we'll set up

3047
01:13:18,375 --> 01:13:19,458
their operations there

3048
01:13:19,458 --> 01:13:20,625
and we'll begin to,

3049
01:13:20,625 --> 01:13:22,500
you know, build lives there.

3050
01:13:22,500 --> 01:13:23,750
And that's what I see

3051
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:24,791
forward in Alberta.

3052
01:13:24,791 --> 01:13:25,250
That would be

3053
01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:26,166
the most amazing

3054
01:13:26,166 --> 01:13:27,208
thing, is that, okay,

3055
01:13:27,208 --> 01:13:27,666
we have this

3056
01:13:27,666 --> 01:13:28,666
section of Alberta

3057
01:13:28,666 --> 01:13:30,041
where our own country

3058
01:13:30,041 --> 01:13:31,000
and we're going

3059
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,583
to structure ourselves

3060
01:13:32,583 --> 01:13:33,375
in the same way

3061
01:13:33,375 --> 01:13:35,625
as Monaco is structured,

3062
01:13:35,625 --> 01:13:37,958
or Luxembourg or Andorra

3063
01:13:37,958 --> 01:13:39,000
or any of these like

3064
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,166
European countries

3065
01:13:40,166 --> 01:13:41,208
where we're just like, okay,

3066
01:13:41,208 --> 01:13:43,416
like this is the

3067
01:13:44,958 --> 01:13:46,250
the sovereign republic

3068
01:13:46,250 --> 01:13:47,666
of the Crow's Nest Pass.

3069
01:13:47,666 --> 01:13:49,458
And here

3070
01:13:49,458 --> 01:13:51,583
the tax rate is zero,

3071
01:13:51,583 --> 01:13:52,083
and here

3072
01:13:52,083 --> 01:13:52,916
the corporate tax

3073
01:13:52,916 --> 01:13:54,250
rate is zero.

3074
01:13:54,250 --> 01:13:55,000
And here

3075
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:55,416
and you know,

3076
01:13:55,416 --> 01:13:57,708
and just like provide provide

3077
01:13:57,708 --> 01:13:59,083
and like obviously, you know,

3078
01:13:59,083 --> 01:14:00,333
there is some level,

3079
01:14:00,333 --> 01:14:02,000
of contribution

3080
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:02,791
that has to be made

3081
01:14:02,791 --> 01:14:03,583
to make a place

3082
01:14:03,583 --> 01:14:04,750
awesome and livable.

3083
01:14:04,750 --> 01:14:05,416
And I think that'll

3084
01:14:05,416 --> 01:14:06,625
just be naturally done

3085
01:14:06,625 --> 01:14:08,333
by the individuals

3086
01:14:08,333 --> 01:14:10,625
who join that society.

3087
01:14:10,625 --> 01:14:11,416
It does not.

3088
01:14:11,416 --> 01:14:12,791
It'll just be emergent.

3089
01:14:12,791 --> 01:14:14,833
It will not be from decree.

3090
01:14:14,833 --> 01:14:15,791
So that's what

3091
01:14:15,791 --> 01:14:17,416
I would really love to see

3092
01:14:17,416 --> 01:14:18,208
in Alberta.

3093
01:14:18,208 --> 01:14:19,666
We just have a,

3094
01:14:19,666 --> 01:14:20,541
a section of it.

3095
01:14:20,541 --> 01:14:21,375
I don't know how big

3096
01:14:21,375 --> 01:14:22,458
or how or whatever it'll be.

3097
01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:23,458
And we just say like,

3098
01:14:23,458 --> 01:14:25,125
okay, like let,

3099
01:14:25,125 --> 01:14:26,000
let let's look

3100
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,416
at the success of Panama.

3101
01:14:27,416 --> 01:14:27,833
Let's like

3102
01:14:27,833 --> 01:14:29,291
the success of Monaco.

3103
01:14:29,291 --> 01:14:30,583
Let's look at the

3104
01:14:30,583 --> 01:14:32,416
the success of these places

3105
01:14:32,416 --> 01:14:34,125
that have really

3106
01:14:34,125 --> 01:14:36,125
put good deals on the table

3107
01:14:36,125 --> 01:14:37,750
to, to business and banking

3108
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:39,791
on all the industries.

3109
01:14:39,791 --> 01:14:41,375
And, you know,

3110
01:14:41,375 --> 01:14:43,666
you are welcome to

3111
01:14:43,666 --> 01:14:45,125
participate in

3112
01:14:45,125 --> 01:14:46,958
free markets here.

3113
01:14:46,958 --> 01:14:48,916
And we will not steal from

3114
01:14:48,916 --> 01:14:50,166
you would be a great

3115
01:14:50,166 --> 01:14:51,083
that would just be a great

3116
01:14:51,083 --> 01:14:52,333
like country motto.

3117
01:14:52,333 --> 01:14:53,583
Like we will

3118
01:14:53,583 --> 01:14:54,750
not steal your shit.

3119
01:14:55,791 --> 01:14:56,583
Will not

3120
01:14:56,583 --> 01:14:57,791
we will not take

3121
01:14:57,791 --> 01:14:58,250
what you've

3122
01:14:58,250 --> 01:14:59,250
built with your effort

3123
01:14:59,250 --> 01:15:00,166
and labor and claim

3124
01:15:00,166 --> 01:15:02,083
it as our own.

3125
01:15:02,083 --> 01:15:03,791
No, I absolutely agree

3126
01:15:03,791 --> 01:15:04,791
that like

3127
01:15:04,791 --> 01:15:05,375
the reason

3128
01:15:05,375 --> 01:15:06,583
people don't understand

3129
01:15:06,583 --> 01:15:07,500
that zero is

3130
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:09,166
the ultimate tax rate

3131
01:15:09,166 --> 01:15:09,875
is that they

3132
01:15:09,875 --> 01:15:11,291
got the whole thing.

3133
01:15:11,291 --> 01:15:11,833
There's so

3134
01:15:11,833 --> 01:15:12,916
many misconceptions.

3135
01:15:12,916 --> 01:15:13,916
First of all,

3136
01:15:13,916 --> 01:15:14,958
like you have the left for

3137
01:15:14,958 --> 01:15:15,583
curve, right?

3138
01:15:15,583 --> 01:15:16,666
So if if,

3139
01:15:16,666 --> 01:15:19,291
a country has a 100% tax

3140
01:15:19,291 --> 01:15:20,291
as nobody works

3141
01:15:20,291 --> 01:15:21,000
because there's no

3142
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:21,875
point in working

3143
01:15:21,875 --> 01:15:23,375
because they take everything,

3144
01:15:23,375 --> 01:15:24,041
so then

3145
01:15:24,041 --> 01:15:24,791
you can't take

3146
01:15:24,791 --> 01:15:25,458
their stuff anymore

3147
01:15:25,458 --> 01:15:27,250
because no one does anything.

3148
01:15:27,250 --> 01:15:29,208
And if you have a 0% tax,

3149
01:15:29,208 --> 01:15:30,166
then everyone works

3150
01:15:30,166 --> 01:15:31,125
because they have to

3151
01:15:31,125 --> 01:15:32,000
to survive.

3152
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:32,875
And the theory

3153
01:15:32,875 --> 01:15:33,750
is that somewhere

3154
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:34,458
in between that

3155
01:15:34,458 --> 01:15:35,458
that this is a curve.

3156
01:15:35,458 --> 01:15:37,583
So there's an optimal point

3157
01:15:37,583 --> 01:15:38,458
for Texas

3158
01:15:38,458 --> 01:15:39,708
where you can extract

3159
01:15:39,708 --> 01:15:41,166
as much as possible.

3160
01:15:41,166 --> 01:15:41,958
But what they don't

3161
01:15:41,958 --> 01:15:42,458
understand

3162
01:15:42,458 --> 01:15:43,208
is that that point

3163
01:15:43,208 --> 01:15:44,458
is actually zero.

3164
01:15:44,458 --> 01:15:45,041
Because what

3165
01:15:45,041 --> 01:15:45,708
what Texas

3166
01:15:45,708 --> 01:15:47,166
do always

3167
01:15:47,166 --> 01:15:49,041
is, miss allocate

3168
01:15:49,041 --> 01:15:50,250
resource and says

3169
01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:51,291
and hinder

3170
01:15:51,291 --> 01:15:52,541
hinder companies

3171
01:15:52,541 --> 01:15:53,083
from having

3172
01:15:53,083 --> 01:15:54,500
exponential growth.

3173
01:15:54,500 --> 01:15:57,416
And my, my go to example

3174
01:15:57,416 --> 01:15:58,666
is the apple tree farmer

3175
01:15:58,666 --> 01:15:59,625
who has one tree

3176
01:15:59,625 --> 01:16:00,750
the first year.

3177
01:16:00,750 --> 01:16:01,958
And he makes so much profit

3178
01:16:01,958 --> 01:16:02,833
that he can have two

3179
01:16:02,833 --> 01:16:04,250
the next year, for the year

3180
01:16:04,250 --> 01:16:05,083
after that eighth,

3181
01:16:05,083 --> 01:16:06,250
the year after that.

3182
01:16:06,250 --> 01:16:07,250
And thereby

3183
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:07,875
his company

3184
01:16:07,875 --> 01:16:08,291
can have an

3185
01:16:08,291 --> 01:16:09,208
exponential growth

3186
01:16:09,208 --> 01:16:10,333
and he can feed

3187
01:16:10,333 --> 01:16:11,208
an exponential

3188
01:16:11,208 --> 01:16:12,583
amount of mouths

3189
01:16:12,583 --> 01:16:13,750
over the years.

3190
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:15,708
And if it's just taxed 50%,

3191
01:16:15,708 --> 01:16:16,333
he never gets to

3192
01:16:16,333 --> 01:16:17,291
the second tree.

3193
01:16:17,291 --> 01:16:18,166
So all of these

3194
01:16:18,166 --> 01:16:19,250
exponential effects

3195
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:19,666
that could have

3196
01:16:19,666 --> 01:16:20,416
been going on,

3197
01:16:20,416 --> 01:16:21,750
you don't see any of them

3198
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:22,666
because and it's

3199
01:16:22,666 --> 01:16:23,875
all because of the taxes.

3200
01:16:23,875 --> 01:16:25,208
It's not because people,

3201
01:16:25,208 --> 01:16:25,958
the brain drain

3202
01:16:25,958 --> 01:16:28,250
or anything that the

3203
01:16:28,250 --> 01:16:30,000
the taxes themselves

3204
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,458
fuck everything up

3205
01:16:31,458 --> 01:16:33,375
and people don't work

3206
01:16:33,375 --> 01:16:34,916
and and we

3207
01:16:34,916 --> 01:16:36,166
I come from Sweden.

3208
01:16:36,166 --> 01:16:37,875
You live in, in Canada

3209
01:16:37,875 --> 01:16:39,750
you would live in Finland.

3210
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:41,250
These are all taxes

3211
01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:42,083
that are way

3212
01:16:42,083 --> 01:16:43,541
beyond the Laffer curve.

3213
01:16:43,541 --> 01:16:46,458
We're way above 50% taxes,

3214
01:16:46,458 --> 01:16:47,625
especially if you

3215
01:16:47,625 --> 01:16:48,875
include everything which is,

3216
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:50,625
you end up with

3217
01:16:50,625 --> 01:16:52,125
a number like 80%

3218
01:16:52,125 --> 01:16:54,750
if all VAT or import tariffs

3219
01:16:54,750 --> 01:16:57,375
or all the all the bullshit.

3220
01:16:57,375 --> 01:16:58,791
And still we haven't

3221
01:16:58,791 --> 01:16:59,750
even begun

3222
01:16:59,750 --> 01:17:00,875
talking about inflation,

3223
01:17:00,875 --> 01:17:01,541
which is like

3224
01:17:01,541 --> 01:17:03,125
the worst Sneakiest

3225
01:17:03,125 --> 01:17:04,125
meanest fucking

3226
01:17:04,125 --> 01:17:05,291
tax of them all

3227
01:17:05,291 --> 01:17:07,625
that punishes the the,

3228
01:17:07,625 --> 01:17:09,000
the poorest and,

3229
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,375
and richest,

3230
01:17:10,375 --> 01:17:10,916
the richest,

3231
01:17:10,916 --> 01:17:12,000
those with assets

3232
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:12,791
gain from it

3233
01:17:12,791 --> 01:17:13,875
and those without,

3234
01:17:13,875 --> 01:17:16,000
pay for pay

3235
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,791
for everything else. So

3236
01:17:18,791 --> 01:17:20,000
but the beauty of this

3237
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,000
is that this country

3238
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:21,750
we're talking about

3239
01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:22,666
already exists.

3240
01:17:22,666 --> 01:17:24,583
It's bitcoin like,

3241
01:17:24,583 --> 01:17:25,833
you can a company

3242
01:17:25,833 --> 01:17:26,583
just it's

3243
01:17:26,583 --> 01:17:27,916
nothing but a telegram group

3244
01:17:27,916 --> 01:17:29,333
or something.

3245
01:17:29,333 --> 01:17:31,125
You can do everything

3246
01:17:31,125 --> 01:17:32,625
without permission

3247
01:17:32,625 --> 01:17:33,833
and just do the shit,

3248
01:17:33,833 --> 01:17:34,541
and nobody

3249
01:17:34,541 --> 01:17:35,958
can do anything about it.

3250
01:17:35,958 --> 01:17:37,000
As long as you don't

3251
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,500
touch the fucking banks,

3252
01:17:38,500 --> 01:17:39,583
because they suck

3253
01:17:39,583 --> 01:17:40,541
and they're in cahoots

3254
01:17:40,541 --> 01:17:41,416
with the government.

3255
01:17:41,416 --> 01:17:43,625
So be in Bitcoin,

3256
01:17:43,625 --> 01:17:45,166
you know,

3257
01:17:45,166 --> 01:17:46,166
get paid for your goods

3258
01:17:46,166 --> 01:17:47,416
and services in Bitcoin.

3259
01:17:47,416 --> 01:17:48,916
Don't tell anyone about it.

3260
01:17:48,916 --> 01:17:50,458
Just fucking do the things.

3261
01:17:50,458 --> 01:17:51,833
And we can give the

3262
01:17:51,833 --> 01:17:53,083
middle finger to the state

3263
01:17:53,083 --> 01:17:53,958
and enjoy the ride

3264
01:17:53,958 --> 01:17:55,125
at the same time.

3265
01:17:55,125 --> 01:17:56,625
And the purchasing

3266
01:17:56,625 --> 01:17:57,458
power of Bitcoin

3267
01:17:57,458 --> 01:17:58,916
the number go up thing

3268
01:17:58,916 --> 01:18:01,000
that is Bitcoin telling you

3269
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,208
how much better

3270
01:18:02,208 --> 01:18:03,833
a libertarian, anarcho

3271
01:18:03,833 --> 01:18:05,291
capitalist, centralist,

3272
01:18:05,291 --> 01:18:06,708
objectivist society

3273
01:18:06,708 --> 01:18:07,958
is than all of this

3274
01:18:07,958 --> 01:18:09,000
fucking comic book

3275
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:09,791
bullshit that

3276
01:18:09,791 --> 01:18:12,000
that all other politics are.

3277
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,000
So fuck you and do bitcoin

3278
01:18:15,375 --> 01:18:17,291
opt out and a rant.

3279
01:18:19,041 --> 01:18:19,458
Yeah.

3280
01:18:19,458 --> 01:18:22,083
No, definitely. I

3281
01:18:22,083 --> 01:18:25,083
zero is the perfect tax rate

3282
01:18:25,125 --> 01:18:28,583
and allows every everything

3283
01:18:28,583 --> 01:18:29,958
everybody to thrive

3284
01:18:29,958 --> 01:18:32,416
and at all levels.

3285
01:18:32,416 --> 01:18:33,791
You know it

3286
01:18:33,791 --> 01:18:35,000
even incentivizes

3287
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:35,666
like the low

3288
01:18:35,666 --> 01:18:39,458
the lowest because well your

3289
01:18:39,458 --> 01:18:41,000
you own your time

3290
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,083
so you can convert

3291
01:18:42,083 --> 01:18:44,000
your time into capital,

3292
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,583
then you can use that capital

3293
01:18:45,583 --> 01:18:46,958
however you like.

3294
01:18:46,958 --> 01:18:49,000
And it isn't complicated.

3295
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:49,875
It isn't hard.

3296
01:18:49,875 --> 01:18:50,125
I mean,

3297
01:18:50,125 --> 01:18:51,291
like a lot of a lot

3298
01:18:51,291 --> 01:18:52,958
of the things in business

3299
01:18:52,958 --> 01:18:56,208
that, are make

3300
01:18:57,708 --> 01:18:59,291
production so difficult

3301
01:18:59,291 --> 01:19:01,541
is just entirely bureaucracy

3302
01:19:01,541 --> 01:19:02,416
and entirely

3303
01:19:02,416 --> 01:19:03,125
the government

3304
01:19:03,125 --> 01:19:05,583
getting in the way.

3305
01:19:05,583 --> 01:19:09,416
Of productive operation.

3306
01:19:09,416 --> 01:19:12,375
And if we can just have

3307
01:19:12,375 --> 01:19:12,875
a place

3308
01:19:12,875 --> 01:19:15,041
where that doesn't happen

3309
01:19:15,041 --> 01:19:16,375
and, like,

3310
01:19:16,375 --> 01:19:17,000
you know,

3311
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,000
if, as the state body,

3312
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:19,916
if there is one, just

3313
01:19:19,916 --> 01:19:21,041
leaves you alone,

3314
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,166
that that's the ideal,

3315
01:19:24,166 --> 01:19:24,708
you know, that

3316
01:19:24,708 --> 01:19:26,208
that's the real utopia,

3317
01:19:26,208 --> 01:19:26,708
that all these

3318
01:19:26,708 --> 01:19:27,583
fucking collectivist

3319
01:19:27,583 --> 01:19:28,791
retards are in pursuit

3320
01:19:28,791 --> 01:19:30,958
of is just like a place

3321
01:19:30,958 --> 01:19:32,583
where the market signal

3322
01:19:32,583 --> 01:19:34,833
is clear and perfect

3323
01:19:34,833 --> 01:19:36,125
so that resources

3324
01:19:36,125 --> 01:19:37,333
are not mis allocated

3325
01:19:37,333 --> 01:19:39,375
and are not wasted,

3326
01:19:39,375 --> 01:19:40,583
and a place

3327
01:19:40,583 --> 01:19:42,750
where you own your time

3328
01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:45,541
and the effort and the value

3329
01:19:45,541 --> 01:19:47,791
you produce with your time,

3330
01:19:47,791 --> 01:19:48,791
is able

3331
01:19:48,791 --> 01:19:50,083
to be transported

3332
01:19:50,083 --> 01:19:50,833
into the future

3333
01:19:50,833 --> 01:19:51,916
and able to be saved

3334
01:19:51,916 --> 01:19:53,666
for when you need it.

3335
01:19:53,666 --> 01:19:55,166
And that's why

3336
01:19:55,166 --> 01:19:56,875
in a lot of my work,

3337
01:19:56,875 --> 01:19:58,583
I have the message that,

3338
01:19:58,583 --> 01:20:01,416
death to times thieves.

3339
01:20:01,416 --> 01:20:02,458
And what I say

3340
01:20:02,458 --> 01:20:03,791
to a lot of my friends

3341
01:20:03,791 --> 01:20:04,458
who are kind of

3342
01:20:04,458 --> 01:20:05,416
have been on the edge

3343
01:20:05,416 --> 01:20:06,708
of Bitcoin for so long,

3344
01:20:06,708 --> 01:20:07,583
it's like,

3345
01:20:07,583 --> 01:20:08,166
what you don't

3346
01:20:08,166 --> 01:20:09,125
understand is like,

3347
01:20:09,125 --> 01:20:09,750
these people

3348
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:10,416
have been fucking

3349
01:20:10,416 --> 01:20:11,291
stealing from us

3350
01:20:11,291 --> 01:20:12,041
all this time.

3351
01:20:12,041 --> 01:20:12,250
Like,

3352
01:20:12,250 --> 01:20:13,333
they're out of the game.

3353
01:20:13,333 --> 01:20:14,208
It's over.

3354
01:20:14,208 --> 01:20:15,500
It's done for them.

3355
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:16,125
And like we're going

3356
01:20:16,125 --> 01:20:16,750
to go through this

3357
01:20:16,750 --> 01:20:18,166
rough transition period.

3358
01:20:18,166 --> 01:20:19,125
But at the end of it,

3359
01:20:19,125 --> 01:20:20,541
like their ability

3360
01:20:20,541 --> 01:20:22,125
to steal from us

3361
01:20:22,125 --> 01:20:24,750
is completely destroyed.

3362
01:20:24,750 --> 01:20:26,500
And I'm happy

3363
01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:27,833
that Bitcoin is at this point

3364
01:20:27,833 --> 01:20:28,375
where like

3365
01:20:28,375 --> 01:20:30,458
this is an inevitable future.

3366
01:20:30,458 --> 01:20:32,166
It is coming no matter what.

3367
01:20:32,166 --> 01:20:32,791
No one can get

3368
01:20:32,791 --> 01:20:33,583
in the way of it.

3369
01:20:33,583 --> 01:20:34,166
And I think

3370
01:20:34,166 --> 01:20:35,083
the next couple of years

3371
01:20:35,083 --> 01:20:35,500
are going to be

3372
01:20:35,500 --> 01:20:36,875
really exciting

3373
01:20:36,875 --> 01:20:37,875
because we're going to see

3374
01:20:37,875 --> 01:20:40,916
that as, really large

3375
01:20:40,916 --> 01:20:42,375
actors start to use

3376
01:20:42,375 --> 01:20:44,000
Bitcoin for,

3377
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,000
the fucking same,

3378
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,083
like the purposes

3379
01:20:47,083 --> 01:20:48,375
it was designed for.

3380
01:20:48,375 --> 01:20:49,791
And the same reason that all

3381
01:20:49,791 --> 01:20:51,916
of us use it as individuals.

3382
01:20:53,041 --> 01:20:54,708
You know, giant companies are

3383
01:20:54,708 --> 01:20:56,375
going to be

3384
01:20:56,375 --> 01:20:58,000
playing, playing out exactly

3385
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,583
as us individuals act.

3386
01:20:59,583 --> 01:21:01,958
And that just creates

3387
01:21:01,958 --> 01:21:02,625
exactly what you're

3388
01:21:02,625 --> 01:21:03,708
talking about with this,

3389
01:21:03,708 --> 01:21:04,875
this world

3390
01:21:04,875 --> 01:21:06,500
that that is a free,

3391
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:07,666
free marketplace.

3392
01:21:07,666 --> 01:21:09,416
And so I just

3393
01:21:09,416 --> 01:21:10,666
I'm so excited for it

3394
01:21:10,666 --> 01:21:11,500
to be to

3395
01:21:11,500 --> 01:21:13,166
for it to accelerate.

3396
01:21:13,166 --> 01:21:14,833
And I'm so excited

3397
01:21:14,833 --> 01:21:17,083
for the fucking people

3398
01:21:17,083 --> 01:21:18,125
who have profited

3399
01:21:18,125 --> 01:21:20,000
off of the theft

3400
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,708
to just come to, to

3401
01:21:22,708 --> 01:21:24,208
have to fucking

3402
01:21:24,208 --> 01:21:25,708
go and work for.

3403
01:21:25,708 --> 01:21:27,000
Yeah, this time

3404
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,125
they'll have to get a haircut

3405
01:21:28,125 --> 01:21:29,875
and a job like this.

3406
01:21:29,875 --> 01:21:30,666
That's just it.

3407
01:21:30,666 --> 01:21:31,708
Maybe not a haircut,

3408
01:21:31,708 --> 01:21:33,708
but I mean,

3409
01:21:33,708 --> 01:21:34,875
now I couldn't agree more.

3410
01:21:34,875 --> 01:21:36,958
I think the transition

3411
01:21:36,958 --> 01:21:38,416
will be more peaceful

3412
01:21:38,416 --> 01:21:39,750
than we than we think.

3413
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:41,875
Like, I like having that

3414
01:21:41,875 --> 01:21:42,708
thought in my head

3415
01:21:42,708 --> 01:21:43,708
because I think that's

3416
01:21:43,708 --> 01:21:44,750
how we make that happen.

3417
01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:45,375
It will be

3418
01:21:45,375 --> 01:21:46,666
because the brutes

3419
01:21:46,666 --> 01:21:47,625
and enforces

3420
01:21:47,625 --> 01:21:48,625
are being onboarded

3421
01:21:48,625 --> 01:21:49,375
to the coin.

3422
01:21:49,375 --> 01:21:50,875
So like Bitcoin

3423
01:21:50,875 --> 01:21:53,166
and it's just like,

3424
01:21:53,166 --> 01:21:54,166
no, when you look

3425
01:21:54,166 --> 01:21:55,041
at every example

3426
01:21:55,041 --> 01:21:55,583
of everything

3427
01:21:55,583 --> 01:21:56,666
that's ever played out,

3428
01:21:56,666 --> 01:21:57,625
it's like, okay.

3429
01:21:57,625 --> 01:21:59,083
Like the wars ended

3430
01:21:59,083 --> 01:22:00,666
when the money ran out.

3431
01:22:00,666 --> 01:22:03,708
And you know what?

3432
01:22:03,875 --> 01:22:04,916
The individual

3433
01:22:04,916 --> 01:22:06,916
is going to make a decision,

3434
01:22:06,916 --> 01:22:07,833
which is,

3435
01:22:07,833 --> 01:22:10,833
you know, pay me with what?

3436
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:11,833
Yeah, exactly.

3437
01:22:11,833 --> 01:22:13,250
You want me to go and enforce

3438
01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:14,750
all this fucking bitcoin shit

3439
01:22:14,750 --> 01:22:15,500
and, like, squash

3440
01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:17,208
bitcoin, man? Fuck you.

3441
01:22:17,208 --> 01:22:18,583
I have bitcoin,

3442
01:22:18,583 --> 01:22:19,708
I have a lot of bitcoin.

3443
01:22:19,708 --> 01:22:20,625
I've been saving it

3444
01:22:20,625 --> 01:22:21,541
since I listened to

3445
01:22:21,541 --> 01:22:23,250
that podcast way back.

3446
01:22:23,250 --> 01:22:23,500
Yeah.

3447
01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:24,375
Like I'm like made it

3448
01:22:24,375 --> 01:22:25,250
and enforce that.

3449
01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:27,666
So like

3450
01:22:27,666 --> 01:22:29,541
that that that's it's really

3451
01:22:29,541 --> 01:22:32,000
there's a really good

3452
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,583
kind of visualization of it

3453
01:22:33,583 --> 01:22:35,458
which is in Fight Club.

3454
01:22:35,458 --> 01:22:35,625
Yeah.

3455
01:22:35,625 --> 01:22:37,958
And how you know that

3456
01:22:37,958 --> 01:22:38,916
the Fight Club

3457
01:22:38,916 --> 01:22:39,708
members

3458
01:22:39,708 --> 01:22:41,291
are just fucking everywhere,

3459
01:22:41,291 --> 01:22:41,958
and they're,

3460
01:22:41,958 --> 01:22:42,791
they're like

3461
01:22:42,791 --> 01:22:43,833
the brick and mortar

3462
01:22:43,833 --> 01:22:44,750
of the whole world.

3463
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:47,416
And we we have that

3464
01:22:47,416 --> 01:22:49,750
now, and, it's really great.

3465
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:50,416
I have a story

3466
01:22:50,416 --> 01:22:51,041
that I was going

3467
01:22:51,041 --> 01:22:52,083
through,

3468
01:22:52,083 --> 01:22:53,666
like a security check

3469
01:22:53,666 --> 01:22:54,541
in the world,

3470
01:22:54,541 --> 01:22:56,875
and I got,

3471
01:22:56,875 --> 01:22:57,958
sent to, like, the,

3472
01:22:57,958 --> 01:22:58,250
like,

3473
01:22:58,250 --> 01:22:59,125
secondary check

3474
01:22:59,125 --> 01:23:00,000
where they rip your whole

3475
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:00,666
bags apart

3476
01:23:00,666 --> 01:23:01,125
and they really

3477
01:23:01,125 --> 01:23:02,750
give you a hard time.

3478
01:23:02,750 --> 01:23:03,416
And,

3479
01:23:03,416 --> 01:23:04,083
I went through

3480
01:23:04,083 --> 01:23:05,250
the whole process

3481
01:23:05,250 --> 01:23:06,375
and just kind of, like,

3482
01:23:06,375 --> 01:23:08,208
answered everything honestly.

3483
01:23:08,208 --> 01:23:10,666
And it was fine.

3484
01:23:10,666 --> 01:23:11,750
But then at the very end,

3485
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:12,708
like the,

3486
01:23:12,708 --> 01:23:14,833
the guy who was the officer

3487
01:23:14,833 --> 01:23:15,875
inspecting my stuff

3488
01:23:15,875 --> 01:23:16,916
just kind of leaned in and

3489
01:23:16,916 --> 01:23:19,250
was like, do you own Bitcoin?

3490
01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:19,875
And it's like one

3491
01:23:19,875 --> 01:23:20,708
of those questions

3492
01:23:20,708 --> 01:23:21,708
that's like kind of awkward

3493
01:23:21,708 --> 01:23:23,000
when you're crossing borders.

3494
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:23,958
But like,

3495
01:23:23,958 --> 01:23:25,250
everything in my bag

3496
01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:26,333
was bitcoin related

3497
01:23:26,333 --> 01:23:27,083
and I was going to a

3498
01:23:27,083 --> 01:23:28,166
bitcoin conference.

3499
01:23:28,166 --> 01:23:29,208
I was like, yeah.

3500
01:23:29,208 --> 01:23:31,208
So I just like yes.

3501
01:23:32,250 --> 01:23:33,250
And then he just leaned

3502
01:23:33,250 --> 01:23:36,250
in a little closer so do I.

3503
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:37,875
Oh fucking amazing.

3504
01:23:37,875 --> 01:23:39,250
And then like pulled back

3505
01:23:39,250 --> 01:23:39,916
and then like

3506
01:23:39,916 --> 01:23:41,291
I packed all my shit together

3507
01:23:41,291 --> 01:23:42,541
like stamped my papers

3508
01:23:42,541 --> 01:23:43,875
and sent me off on my way.

3509
01:23:43,875 --> 01:23:45,708
And it was like only

3510
01:23:45,708 --> 01:23:46,791
one of those sort of fight

3511
01:23:46,791 --> 01:23:47,541
club moments.

3512
01:23:47,541 --> 01:23:48,416
Oh, I think

3513
01:23:48,416 --> 01:23:49,250
we're going to see that,

3514
01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:50,458
because the people

3515
01:23:50,458 --> 01:23:51,000
who are

3516
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:51,916
most comfortable

3517
01:23:51,916 --> 01:23:53,333
with the fed and,

3518
01:23:53,333 --> 01:23:53,750
you know,

3519
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:55,333
and the fiat currency

3520
01:23:55,333 --> 01:23:56,708
are going to be the last ones

3521
01:23:56,708 --> 01:23:58,125
to onboard

3522
01:23:58,125 --> 01:23:58,875
the coin,

3523
01:23:58,875 --> 01:23:59,291
and that's

3524
01:23:59,291 --> 01:24:00,666
just going to work perfectly.

3525
01:24:00,666 --> 01:24:01,666
The people who are

3526
01:24:01,666 --> 01:24:02,500
going to be buying.

3527
01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:03,791
And I've been pushing this

3528
01:24:03,791 --> 01:24:04,750
a lot lately,

3529
01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:05,916
which is that like,

3530
01:24:05,916 --> 01:24:07,083
I don't give a fuck about

3531
01:24:07,083 --> 01:24:08,833
any of these fucking suits.

3532
01:24:08,833 --> 01:24:09,250
I don't give

3533
01:24:09,250 --> 01:24:10,000
a fuck about this

3534
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:10,875
economic stuff.

3535
01:24:10,875 --> 01:24:12,166
I don't give a fuck about,

3536
01:24:12,166 --> 01:24:14,416
you know, MicroStrategy

3537
01:24:14,416 --> 01:24:15,333
and all that crap.

3538
01:24:15,333 --> 01:24:15,791
Like,

3539
01:24:15,791 --> 01:24:17,041
what I care about is,

3540
01:24:17,041 --> 01:24:18,791
like, do the people

3541
01:24:18,791 --> 01:24:20,666
whose efforts

3542
01:24:20,666 --> 01:24:22,750
enable my quality of life,

3543
01:24:22,750 --> 01:24:24,250
do they have Bitcoin

3544
01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:25,000
and how do I get

3545
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,541
those people bitcoin.

3546
01:24:26,541 --> 01:24:27,583
So all the

3547
01:24:27,583 --> 01:24:28,750
maintenance requirements

3548
01:24:28,750 --> 01:24:29,500
for property

3549
01:24:29,500 --> 01:24:31,000
all like my farm

3550
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,500
and food supply,

3551
01:24:32,500 --> 01:24:34,375
every like component

3552
01:24:34,375 --> 01:24:35,625
of my quality of life,

3553
01:24:35,625 --> 01:24:36,500
I want to make sure

3554
01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:37,166
that the people

3555
01:24:37,166 --> 01:24:38,291
who directly support

3556
01:24:38,291 --> 01:24:41,291
that, have bitcoin

3557
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:42,583
and that bitcoin is

3558
01:24:42,583 --> 01:24:43,666
sort of an investment

3559
01:24:43,666 --> 01:24:44,500
in their business.

3560
01:24:44,500 --> 01:24:45,250
It's like, yeah,

3561
01:24:45,250 --> 01:24:45,708
when you

3562
01:24:45,708 --> 01:24:46,125
when you're

3563
01:24:46,125 --> 01:24:47,041
when you start paying

3564
01:24:47,041 --> 01:24:47,875
people around you

3565
01:24:47,875 --> 01:24:49,000
in Bitcoin, it's

3566
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:49,791
almost like you're going

3567
01:24:49,791 --> 01:24:50,291
to making

3568
01:24:50,291 --> 01:24:51,500
little like venture

3569
01:24:51,500 --> 01:24:52,750
capital investments

3570
01:24:52,750 --> 01:24:54,125
and like all these businesses

3571
01:24:54,125 --> 01:24:55,125
because

3572
01:24:55,125 --> 01:24:57,083
the bitcoin that you

3573
01:24:57,083 --> 01:24:58,041
pay them with

3574
01:24:58,041 --> 01:24:58,875
and you know

3575
01:24:58,875 --> 01:24:59,875
if they keep it right.

3576
01:24:59,875 --> 01:25:01,375
So you have to do a good job

3577
01:25:01,375 --> 01:25:02,291
of them.

3578
01:25:02,291 --> 01:25:02,958
Understanding

3579
01:25:02,958 --> 01:25:04,375
and respecting the coins

3580
01:25:04,375 --> 01:25:05,500
just guarantees

3581
01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:06,208
that that business

3582
01:25:06,208 --> 01:25:07,250
is still going to be here

3583
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:08,708
in ten years.

3584
01:25:08,708 --> 01:25:08,958
Yeah.

3585
01:25:08,958 --> 01:25:10,958
And those are the people

3586
01:25:10,958 --> 01:25:11,916
that fucking matter

3587
01:25:11,916 --> 01:25:13,083
to to get the coins,

3588
01:25:13,083 --> 01:25:13,875
not the suits,

3589
01:25:13,875 --> 01:25:14,541
not anybody

3590
01:25:14,541 --> 01:25:15,333
that's in the banks

3591
01:25:15,333 --> 01:25:16,041
end of that crap.

3592
01:25:16,041 --> 01:25:17,875
Because, you know, the guy,

3593
01:25:17,875 --> 01:25:19,666
the like the cop that pulls

3594
01:25:19,666 --> 01:25:20,833
you over,

3595
01:25:20,833 --> 01:25:21,250
you know, for

3596
01:25:21,250 --> 01:25:22,750
speaking aggressively.

3597
01:25:22,750 --> 01:25:24,791
Just pitch that guy

3598
01:25:24,791 --> 01:25:25,875
some fucking bitcoin

3599
01:25:25,875 --> 01:25:26,958
because he,

3600
01:25:26,958 --> 01:25:28,125
he's got to get on it

3601
01:25:28,125 --> 01:25:29,208
because he's not making

3602
01:25:29,208 --> 01:25:30,125
fucking shit.

3603
01:25:30,125 --> 01:25:31,083
And he's dealing

3604
01:25:31,083 --> 01:25:32,125
with the exact same.

3605
01:25:32,125 --> 01:25:33,958
All the enforcers are dealing

3606
01:25:33,958 --> 01:25:35,500
with the exact same fucked up

3607
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:36,666
stresses of inflation

3608
01:25:36,666 --> 01:25:37,500
that we are.

3609
01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:38,500
And onboarding them

3610
01:25:38,500 --> 01:25:39,708
to Bitcoin just makes it

3611
01:25:39,708 --> 01:25:40,666
one step easier

3612
01:25:40,666 --> 01:25:42,041
that when you know,

3613
01:25:42,041 --> 01:25:43,458
true Dao or these other

3614
01:25:43,458 --> 01:25:44,125
sort of leaders

3615
01:25:44,125 --> 01:25:44,833
that are out there

3616
01:25:44,833 --> 01:25:46,166
cast their orders to go

3617
01:25:46,166 --> 01:25:47,000
and stamp out

3618
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,041
the fucking Bitcoin,

3619
01:25:48,041 --> 01:25:49,125
it's just not possible

3620
01:25:49,125 --> 01:25:50,583
to do because,

3621
01:25:50,583 --> 01:25:51,041
you know,

3622
01:25:51,041 --> 01:25:51,791
and I think this is

3623
01:25:51,791 --> 01:25:52,541
already happening.

3624
01:25:52,541 --> 01:25:53,291
Like guaranteed

3625
01:25:53,291 --> 01:25:53,750
there's like

3626
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:54,916
CIA analysts

3627
01:25:54,916 --> 01:25:55,833
that have been stacking

3628
01:25:55,833 --> 01:25:58,000
for fucking eight years.

3629
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,166
And our heavily incentivized

3630
01:26:01,375 --> 01:26:02,000
to like

3631
01:26:02,958 --> 01:26:04,291
fuck up some

3632
01:26:04,291 --> 01:26:05,958
weird orders to go and attack

3633
01:26:05,958 --> 01:26:07,541
something with bitcoin

3634
01:26:07,541 --> 01:26:08,291
and you know,

3635
01:26:08,291 --> 01:26:09,041
and it's not

3636
01:26:09,041 --> 01:26:09,791
going to be all of them.

3637
01:26:09,791 --> 01:26:10,500
But definitely

3638
01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:12,125
it's a large percentage

3639
01:26:12,125 --> 01:26:12,791
more and more

3640
01:26:12,791 --> 01:26:14,750
every day onboarding.

3641
01:26:14,750 --> 01:26:16,208
Now and we're

3642
01:26:16,208 --> 01:26:16,916
heading towards

3643
01:26:16,916 --> 01:26:17,791
the final scene

3644
01:26:17,791 --> 01:26:19,250
in Fight Club.

3645
01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:20,583
Not only this interview

3646
01:26:20,583 --> 01:26:22,333
but that that is like

3647
01:26:22,333 --> 01:26:22,916
where hyper

3648
01:26:22,916 --> 01:26:24,166
mechanization starts,

3649
01:26:24,166 --> 01:26:25,458
where all the skyscrapers

3650
01:26:25,458 --> 01:26:26,958
with a credit card companies

3651
01:26:26,958 --> 01:26:28,333
just fall apart.

3652
01:26:28,333 --> 01:26:29,083
And I'm going to play

3653
01:26:29,083 --> 01:26:29,666
that Pixies

3654
01:26:29,666 --> 01:26:31,625
song on the loudest volume

3655
01:26:31,625 --> 01:26:32,750
and enjoy this show

3656
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:34,500
when it happens. Yeah.

3657
01:26:34,500 --> 01:26:35,041
My next.

3658
01:26:35,041 --> 01:26:36,000
It's been fantastic

3659
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,000
having you on the show.

3660
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:38,750
Yeah.

3661
01:26:38,750 --> 01:26:40,750
Super conversation.

3662
01:26:40,750 --> 01:26:41,625
Great to have you here.

3663
01:26:41,625 --> 01:26:42,666
Good luck with everything

3664
01:26:42,666 --> 01:26:43,333
in the future,

3665
01:26:43,333 --> 01:26:44,750
and I hope to see you soon.

3666
01:26:44,750 --> 01:26:45,416
In real life.

3667
01:26:45,416 --> 01:26:47,208
If not in Prague,

3668
01:26:47,208 --> 01:26:49,000
then somewhere else.

3669
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,625
Yeah.

3670
01:26:50,625 --> 01:26:51,041
Good luck

3671
01:26:51,041 --> 01:26:51,916
with everything, guys.

3672
01:26:51,916 --> 01:26:52,875
Thank you so much.

3673
01:26:52,875 --> 01:26:54,000
Thanks for having me on.

3674
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:55,458
And, you know,

3675
01:26:56,833 --> 01:26:57,958
just keep stay,

3676
01:26:57,958 --> 01:26:59,333
stay sovereign, I guess.

3677
01:26:59,333 --> 01:26:59,958
Just keep,

3678
01:26:59,958 --> 01:27:00,833
keep making up

3679
01:27:00,833 --> 01:27:02,708
your own minds.

3680
01:27:02,708 --> 01:27:03,541
Thanks, actually.

3681
01:27:03,541 --> 01:27:04,125
Awesome.

3682
01:27:04,125 --> 01:27:06,250
Well, with that,

3683
01:27:06,250 --> 01:27:06,875
is there any way

3684
01:27:06,875 --> 01:27:07,208
you'd like

3685
01:27:07,208 --> 01:27:08,791
to direct our listeners?

3686
01:27:08,791 --> 01:27:09,541
Where can they find out

3687
01:27:09,541 --> 01:27:11,750
more about

3688
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:13,416
your project?

3689
01:27:13,416 --> 01:27:15,666
Oh, Bitcoin. All that.

3690
01:27:15,666 --> 01:27:16,666
Yeah.

3691
01:27:16,666 --> 01:27:17,250
It's just

3692
01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:18,166
if you're in Europe,

3693
01:27:18,166 --> 01:27:19,125
you can sign up to Bull

3694
01:27:19,125 --> 01:27:19,875
Bitcoin now

3695
01:27:19,875 --> 01:27:20,291
and start

3696
01:27:20,291 --> 01:27:22,166
using our services there.

3697
01:27:22,166 --> 01:27:24,000
You know where

3698
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:25,541
we're just recently launched.

3699
01:27:25,541 --> 01:27:26,750
So still figuring things out.

3700
01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:28,125
But it's seems to be working

3701
01:27:28,125 --> 01:27:29,541
very smoothly.

3702
01:27:29,541 --> 01:27:32,291
And if you're Costa Rica

3703
01:27:32,291 --> 01:27:35,291
you can figure out how to pay

3704
01:27:35,375 --> 01:27:36,166
with Bitcoin

3705
01:27:36,166 --> 01:27:38,000
for absolutely everything

3706
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:38,833
because we're integrated

3707
01:27:38,833 --> 01:27:40,291
with SymPy. There.

3708
01:27:40,291 --> 01:27:41,541
And then obviously

3709
01:27:41,541 --> 01:27:42,208
in Canada,

3710
01:27:42,208 --> 01:27:43,750
long running,

3711
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:45,708
extremely good

3712
01:27:45,708 --> 01:27:47,083
Bitcoin services

3713
01:27:47,083 --> 01:27:48,458
for any of your needs

3714
01:27:48,458 --> 01:27:49,250
to kind of interact

3715
01:27:49,250 --> 01:27:51,291
with the fiat system.

3716
01:27:51,291 --> 01:27:53,166
And then I have artwork

3717
01:27:53,166 --> 01:27:54,708
listed at Madex Art,

3718
01:27:54,708 --> 01:27:55,750
and it's kind of always

3719
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:57,000
changing and cycling

3720
01:27:58,458 --> 01:28:01,458
and, yeah, I would say just,

3721
01:28:01,708 --> 01:28:03,333
whoever is most important

3722
01:28:03,333 --> 01:28:04,666
to the actual function

3723
01:28:04,666 --> 01:28:05,416
of your life, like,

3724
01:28:05,416 --> 01:28:06,916
get those people on Bitcoin

3725
01:28:06,916 --> 01:28:08,000
and don't worry about any

3726
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:09,166
anybody else.

3727
01:28:09,166 --> 01:28:12,166
And yeah.

3728
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:14,416
Absolutely fantastic.

3729
01:28:14,416 --> 01:28:15,416
I think

3730
01:28:15,416 --> 01:28:16,250
that's the perfect way

3731
01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:17,625
to end the show.

3732
01:28:17,625 --> 01:28:18,666
So mate X

3733
01:28:18,666 --> 01:28:19,458
thank you again

3734
01:28:19,458 --> 01:28:20,208
for coming on.

3735
01:28:20,208 --> 01:28:22,250
And this is being the Bitcoin

3736
01:28:22,250 --> 01:28:23,291
Infinity Show.

3737
01:28:23,291 --> 01:28:24,416
Thank you for listening.