Sept. 19, 2023

Cryptosovereignty and the Bitcoin Revolution with Erik Cason - Freedom Footprint Show 52

Cryptosovereignty and the Bitcoin Revolution with Erik Cason - Freedom Footprint Show 52

In this episode we have a very special guest returning to our podcast: Erik Cason - Bitcoin philosopher, crypto-anarchist, cypherpunk and good friend of the show. Erik is with us in person this time, recorded at Baltic Honeybadger 2023, to take walk ...

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The Bitcoin Infinity Show

In this episode we have a very special guest returning to our podcast: Erik Cason - Bitcoin philosopher, crypto-anarchist, cypherpunk and good friend of the show. Erik is with us in person this time, recorded at Baltic Honeybadger 2023, to take walk through history, philosophy, politics, Bitcoin and more.

In this episode, we talk about Erik’s views on Cryptosovereignty, the topic of his book of the same name. We also draw parallels between the atomic bomb and the risks that AI poses, we reflect on the transformative power of Bitcoin and its ability to create a community; we discuss progressivism and conservativism in the bitcoin community and investigate the conjunction of cryptography and bitcoin. It’s always great to talk to Erik, this time was no exception!

Connect with Erik on Twitter: Erik Cason Twitter
Check out the Cryptosovereignty book: Cryptosovereignty

Chapters:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:02:18 - Welcoming Erik Cason
00:05:13 - Erik's Book Cryptosovereignty
00:07:09 - 80 IQ
00:10:05 - Ossification of Bitcoin
00:13:13 - Bitcoin's Parameters
00:18:52 - Satoshi and Oppenheimer
00:24:02 - Panoptic Technology
00:27:34 - Bitcoin, Violence, and Law
00:34:21 - Bitcoin Optimism
00:43:33 - Nostr and Cryptography
00:51:41 - Bitcoin and AI
01:00:15 - Cancel Culture
01:06:49 - The Ethics of Liberty and Freedom of Speech
01:12:43 - Denial of Reality
01:24:49 - Individualism
01:28:05 - Cryptographic Proof and Truth
01:31:02 - Wrapping Up

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1 00:00:00,027 --> 00:00:03,977 I think it's really important to understand that cryptography in and of 2 00:00:03,977 --> 00:00:09,157 itself provides a new form of sovereignty and that this new form of sovereignty, in 3 00:00:09,157 --> 00:00:14,317 my opinion, is the only way that we return to having a true law that is actually 4 00:00:14,317 --> 00:00:19,895 a common wealth where we all have the equality of the law Or, better yet, we 5 00:00:19,895 --> 00:00:24,425 have the equanimity of the law, but the respect of the individuality through it. 6 00:00:24,444 --> 00:00:28,944 So for me, what cryptosovereignty is, it's about the artistry of 7 00:00:28,964 --> 00:00:33,684 utilizing cryptography in this way to create new systems that we 8 00:00:33,684 --> 00:00:35,474 can utilize for self empowerment. 9 00:00:35,637 --> 00:00:38,467 Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show, the Bitcoin 10 00:00:38,467 --> 00:00:42,167 philosophy show with Knut Svanholm and me, Luke the Pseudo Finn. 11 00:00:42,579 --> 00:00:46,629 Today we have a very special guest returning to our podcast, Erik Cason, 12 00:00:46,999 --> 00:00:51,579 Bitcoin philosopher, crypto anarchist, cypherpunk, and good friend of the show. 13 00:00:52,085 --> 00:00:55,285 Erik is with us in person this time, recorded at Baltic Honey Badger 14 00:00:55,285 --> 00:01:01,780 2023, to take a walk through history, philosophy, politics, bitcoin, and more. 15 00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:06,210 In this episode we talk about Erik's views on crypto sovereignty, the 16 00:01:06,210 --> 00:01:07,850 topic of his book of the same name. 17 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:13,204 We also draw parallels between the atomic bomb and the risks that AI poses . We 18 00:01:13,204 --> 00:01:16,984 discuss progressivism and conservatism in the bitcoin community and investigate the 19 00:01:16,984 --> 00:01:18,774 conjunction of cryptography and bitcoin. 20 00:01:19,527 --> 00:01:22,347 It's always great to talk to Erik, this time was no exception. 21 00:01:23,017 --> 00:01:25,867 Before we jump in, a quick reminder that the best way you can support the 22 00:01:25,867 --> 00:01:29,517 show is to send us a boost or stream us some sats via a value for value 23 00:01:29,557 --> 00:01:31,377 podcasting app such as Fountain. 24 00:01:31,641 --> 00:01:34,841 If you're listening to the show as a podcast, check it out on Fountain. 25 00:01:35,017 --> 00:01:37,417 You can earn sats from listening and you can support us and 26 00:01:37,427 --> 00:01:38,967 all your other favorite shows. 27 00:01:39,197 --> 00:01:42,267 You can also support us on Geyser Fund or send sats directly to our 28 00:01:42,267 --> 00:01:43,957 lightning address freedom at 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00:02:12,052 --> 00:02:17,842 And now, without further ado, here is Erik Cason on the Freedom Footprint Show. 43 00:02:18,417 --> 00:02:20,107 how are we doing this, Luke, and are we? 44 00:02:20,217 --> 00:02:20,877 Oh, we're already 45 00:02:20,877 --> 00:02:21,597 rolling, guys. 46 00:02:21,617 --> 00:02:24,647 So, I mean, uh, let's just, let's just, let's just keep it going. 47 00:02:24,647 --> 00:02:28,557 I mean, as, as Knut said, like, you're, you're our first proper returning guest. 48 00:02:28,567 --> 00:02:31,907 And, and I mean, we didn't plan this exactly, but this is awesome. 49 00:02:31,907 --> 00:02:36,247 Like, uh, awesome to run into you and, uh, meet you in person for the first time. 50 00:02:36,257 --> 00:02:37,357 And, uh, for me. 51 00:02:37,407 --> 00:02:37,827 Yeah, it's funny, 52 00:02:38,077 --> 00:02:40,627 because like, like, it felt more casual with you. 53 00:02:42,532 --> 00:02:44,592 Like, I realized it was our first time, but at the same 54 00:02:44,592 --> 00:02:45,522 time, because we know each other. 55 00:02:45,542 --> 00:02:46,342 I know, it's awesome. 56 00:02:46,622 --> 00:02:48,822 it's funny cause this hap, there's like a number of people this 57 00:02:48,822 --> 00:02:49,812 happens with like with John. 58 00:02:49,812 --> 00:02:50,292 Yeah, yeah. 59 00:02:50,362 --> 00:02:52,302 Every time I start talking to John, he's like, God dammit, I wish 60 00:02:52,302 --> 00:02:53,052 y'all were recording it. 61 00:02:53,112 --> 00:02:53,962 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 62 00:02:54,372 --> 00:02:58,632 And there's so many, like, especially here in Riga, I've had so many. 63 00:02:59,397 --> 00:03:02,187 Similar experiences with that, that's bumping into someone and 64 00:03:02,187 --> 00:03:06,227 you instantly connect on like this level that is just beyond, because 65 00:03:06,227 --> 00:03:10,477 there, you meet people that actually think about things and it's, yeah. 66 00:03:10,647 --> 00:03:14,167 Well, I mean, like, isn't that the truth of, of, we're not all here 67 00:03:14,377 --> 00:03:19,537 because of Bitcoin, but because of the form of thought that Bitcoin allows. 68 00:03:19,657 --> 00:03:19,977 Yeah, and 69 00:03:19,977 --> 00:03:22,297 instills within us, like. 70 00:03:23,002 --> 00:03:28,692 And that's the, yeah, I mean, my shtick nowadays is that you are your bitcoins 71 00:03:28,692 --> 00:03:33,902 and we all are the network, like we're not only Satoshi, but we are the 72 00:03:33,902 --> 00:03:37,142 actual bitcoins because they're just information and that makes them us. 73 00:03:37,242 --> 00:03:43,602 And I think that's, to some extent, why they, why they change us so 74 00:03:43,602 --> 00:03:47,372 much, because like, you don't change Bitcoin, Bitcoin changes you. 75 00:03:47,622 --> 00:03:50,182 That's, that's profound. 76 00:03:50,242 --> 00:03:51,692 Like, that's so true. 77 00:03:51,802 --> 00:03:54,282 Like, you are the killer app of this thing. 78 00:03:54,282 --> 00:03:59,612 It's not, this is not a killer app of, it is you, like, and it changes you. 79 00:03:59,992 --> 00:04:00,312 When I 80 00:04:00,322 --> 00:04:06,292 think it's that, that spark of realizing that there is a truth that we can follow, 81 00:04:06,362 --> 00:04:10,982 that like, it, it jumpstarts thinking in like the truest sense of what it is. 82 00:04:11,072 --> 00:04:11,302 Yeah. 83 00:04:11,537 --> 00:04:16,417 And I think because, like, part of the nihilism of contemporarism is that it's 84 00:04:16,427 --> 00:04:21,587 so deeply authoritarian that it feels like thought itself is almost seditious 85 00:04:21,587 --> 00:04:26,337 and misleading because how could this thing be of value to you when, you 86 00:04:26,337 --> 00:04:30,417 know, you can see out in the world if you just obey what's being told, you'll 87 00:04:30,417 --> 00:04:32,447 live a relatively comfortable life. 88 00:04:33,227 --> 00:04:37,342 But then having this experience and encounter of, like, Wait, there's this 89 00:04:37,352 --> 00:04:41,932 other radical truth that's happening that maybe can resolve all of the problems of 90 00:04:42,392 --> 00:04:49,242 fiat and of the nihilism of politics and the inescapability of the fiat economy. 91 00:04:49,252 --> 00:04:53,072 It truly awakens us and starts to transform us. 92 00:04:53,142 --> 00:04:54,932 You know, and I was sharing earlier, like. 93 00:04:55,152 --> 00:04:58,982 I literally don't know who I would be, or even if I'd be alive without 94 00:04:58,992 --> 00:05:04,112 Bitcoin, because of that hope and the way that it rescued me from the nihilism. 95 00:05:04,222 --> 00:05:10,012 Yeah, and I mean, a caged animal at the zoo can live a relatively comfortable 96 00:05:10,012 --> 00:05:13,052 life as well, but it's still caged. 97 00:05:13,512 --> 00:05:17,392 Yeah, and I mean, a lot of sort of my presentation in Crypto 98 00:05:17,392 --> 00:05:19,852 Sovereignty is this understanding... 99 00:05:19,902 --> 00:05:20,182 Yeah, 100 00:05:20,322 --> 00:05:22,252 Crypto Sovereignty is your new book, we should... 101 00:05:22,412 --> 00:05:22,782 Oh, yeah. 102 00:05:22,782 --> 00:05:23,162 Let's 103 00:05:23,352 --> 00:05:23,802 show it. 104 00:05:23,802 --> 00:05:25,292 I'm not good at showing stuff. 105 00:05:26,162 --> 00:05:26,982 So I have a new book. 106 00:05:26,982 --> 00:05:27,392 It's yeah. 107 00:05:27,392 --> 00:05:27,682 Buy 108 00:05:27,682 --> 00:05:29,532 his book and my books. 109 00:05:29,682 --> 00:05:29,952 Yeah. 110 00:05:32,252 --> 00:05:33,612 And Luke's whenever he writes one. 111 00:05:33,682 --> 00:05:34,022 Yeah. 112 00:05:34,032 --> 00:05:34,342 Yeah. 113 00:05:34,462 --> 00:05:35,592 We're all going to have books soon. 114 00:05:35,842 --> 00:05:36,172 Yeah. 115 00:05:36,582 --> 00:05:40,672 Um, but it's available through, through Bitcoin magazine, the publisher. 116 00:05:40,702 --> 00:05:41,302 Um, 117 00:05:41,372 --> 00:05:45,332 if you, if you buy it within two weeks, you get a set of steak knives, right? 118 00:05:45,772 --> 00:05:49,932 Uh, yeah, maybe you, you might be one of the ones you pick. 119 00:05:49,942 --> 00:05:50,442 All of a sudden, 120 00:05:51,602 --> 00:05:53,542 if you want, I'll sign and I'll put a steak knife. 121 00:05:55,232 --> 00:05:57,132 It can be hard to ship to Riga though. 122 00:05:57,272 --> 00:05:57,682 Yeah. 123 00:05:57,762 --> 00:05:58,242 Yeah. 124 00:05:58,402 --> 00:05:59,482 I thought I was supposed to get my books. 125 00:06:00,292 --> 00:06:02,542 I'm not sure if they actually arrived, but anyways. 126 00:06:03,582 --> 00:06:06,182 The reason for the book isn't to show a book, but because I just want my 127 00:06:06,182 --> 00:06:09,472 thoughts out there and I think it's really important to understand that 128 00:06:09,552 --> 00:06:14,762 cryptography in and of itself provides a new form of sovereignty and that this 129 00:06:14,762 --> 00:06:19,382 new form of sovereignty, in my opinion, is the only way that we return to having 130 00:06:19,442 --> 00:06:24,612 a true law that is actually a common wealth where we all have the equality 131 00:06:24,612 --> 00:06:29,357 of the law Or, or, uh, better yet, we have the equanimity of the law, but the 132 00:06:29,357 --> 00:06:31,697 respect of the individuality through it. 133 00:06:32,137 --> 00:06:32,917 Equanimity? 134 00:06:33,267 --> 00:06:33,697 Maybe not. 135 00:06:34,617 --> 00:06:38,447 I'm kind of Explain the word, the word equ equanimity is one of 136 00:06:38,447 --> 00:06:40,317 those words that I find difficult. 137 00:06:40,367 --> 00:06:41,447 Knut speaks Swedish. 138 00:06:41,497 --> 00:06:42,077 Yeah, yeah. 139 00:06:42,167 --> 00:06:48,537 It's more of the, uh, the access to the equality of opportunity as opposed 140 00:06:48,797 --> 00:06:50,587 to actually saying that we are equal. 141 00:06:50,937 --> 00:06:51,097 Yeah. 142 00:06:51,247 --> 00:06:53,707 So, so it's like providing the level playing field so that 143 00:06:53,707 --> 00:06:54,887 we can have the fair game. 144 00:06:54,897 --> 00:06:55,207 Yeah. 145 00:06:56,162 --> 00:06:58,712 Uh, and I think a lot of people will mistake that to like essentially 146 00:06:58,712 --> 00:07:02,732 trying to homogenize everyone and say, no, we're all equal no matter what. 147 00:07:03,002 --> 00:07:07,442 Even if you happen to have brain damage and I happen to be Albert Einstein. 148 00:07:09,582 --> 00:07:09,702 A T I 149 00:07:09,702 --> 00:07:13,072 Q . Exactly a D I q, me, you know? 150 00:07:13,672 --> 00:07:14,062 Yeah. 151 00:07:14,482 --> 00:07:15,622 Did you see Giacomo's? 152 00:07:15,962 --> 00:07:16,402 I did. 153 00:07:16,412 --> 00:07:17,632 We had a great fantastic. 154 00:07:17,992 --> 00:07:18,462 Yeah. 155 00:07:18,762 --> 00:07:18,892 Oh 156 00:07:18,892 --> 00:07:19,082 yeah. 157 00:07:19,082 --> 00:07:19,342 Yeah. 158 00:07:20,422 --> 00:07:25,002 Cause I was pointing out like, uh, there seems to be a real quality of midwittery 159 00:07:25,042 --> 00:07:30,552 where there's an esteem and ego that asserts itself that both the midwits 160 00:07:30,562 --> 00:07:32,492 and the geniuses seem to actually lack. 161 00:07:32,492 --> 00:07:36,142 And, and, and them just questioning themselves to be like, well, I'm kind of a 162 00:07:37,382 --> 00:07:37,602 dumbass. 163 00:07:38,012 --> 00:07:42,352 I think we're, uh, it's, this show is going to be quite hard to follow 164 00:07:42,352 --> 00:07:44,002 if we just keep on talking about. 165 00:07:44,372 --> 00:07:48,392 Stuff that recently happened as it's kind of hard to follow thoughts 166 00:07:48,392 --> 00:07:49,712 about a talk that didn't happen. 167 00:07:49,802 --> 00:07:50,522 No, but this is okay. 168 00:07:50,522 --> 00:07:50,702 Like, 169 00:07:50,702 --> 00:07:55,232 like, uh, this is, this is super relevant because this A D I Q thing is, 170 00:07:55,237 --> 00:07:58,932 is, is part of a current issue within the Bitcoin community, and the, the 171 00:07:58,982 --> 00:08:02,372 finding is like sometimes we get to a point where we're talking about like 172 00:08:02,372 --> 00:08:03,992 a so-called current thing and then. 173 00:08:04,772 --> 00:08:07,462 It goes away in like a month or something like that sort of happened 174 00:08:07,462 --> 00:08:11,142 with ordinals, but, but I think I think what we're talking about here is 175 00:08:11,142 --> 00:08:14,362 like a fundamental difference between actually, I'll give I'll give some 176 00:08:14,362 --> 00:08:16,192 credit to Peter McCormack on this one. 177 00:08:17,242 --> 00:08:23,302 He had a tweet that observed that the ordinals crowd and the drive chain 178 00:08:23,462 --> 00:08:27,039 crowd seem to be liking the same things. 179 00:08:27,213 --> 00:08:31,933 And it sort of exposed a bit of a liberal Bitcoin community and a conservative 180 00:08:31,973 --> 00:08:34,313 Bitcoin community, as in conserving... 181 00:08:34,719 --> 00:08:36,209 Liberal might have also been the wrong word. 182 00:08:36,209 --> 00:08:40,589 It's just more like, uh, progressive maybe actually is a better word here, 183 00:08:41,249 --> 00:08:43,659 but like, what do you, what do you think about that division that there's 184 00:08:43,659 --> 00:08:47,709 sort of an opening up of, of, uh, the people who want to conserve the protocol 185 00:08:47,709 --> 00:08:51,115 and keep it, safe and running and then the people who want to do stuff to 186 00:08:51,115 --> 00:08:51,394 it. 187 00:08:51,977 --> 00:08:55,977 I think that this is this really healthy dynamic of essentially like the 188 00:08:56,017 --> 00:09:00,967 toxic Bitcoin crowd are these internal agitators that are always going to 189 00:09:00,967 --> 00:09:07,377 remind us of the truth of the mission, the need to have a true alignment of 190 00:09:07,377 --> 00:09:10,747 incentives in a thoughtful way, and the understanding of that introducing 191 00:09:10,747 --> 00:09:14,547 anything else is going to change those incentives in some way or form. 192 00:09:15,182 --> 00:09:19,042 Uh, and also the people on the outside that are pushing ongoing 193 00:09:19,042 --> 00:09:21,192 developments that truly are needed. 194 00:09:21,202 --> 00:09:23,863 And a great example of this is like, much of what's being built 195 00:09:23,873 --> 00:09:27,523 today was only possible because of getting SegWit integrated. 196 00:09:27,643 --> 00:09:30,963 And that was a long and difficult and arduous debate. 197 00:09:31,323 --> 00:09:35,213 And particularly once people stopped pushing as hard and there could be a real 198 00:09:35,243 --> 00:09:40,653 open dialogue about how this was going to help Bitcoin, did the possibilities that 199 00:09:40,653 --> 00:09:42,913 it introduced actually start to come in. 200 00:09:42,933 --> 00:09:43,603 So, so. 201 00:09:44,188 --> 00:09:50,208 To me, like, this is the truly political process of Bitcoin that's very sloppy, 202 00:09:50,228 --> 00:09:54,178 messy, difficult, and important because this is the only way that, 203 00:09:54,178 --> 00:09:58,038 like, we're actually going to figure out what we need as the developments. 204 00:09:58,517 --> 00:10:02,377 like, I personally don't think that we're at a place of ossification yet because I 205 00:10:02,377 --> 00:10:05,717 still think that there are some updates that need to be done in addition to, you 206 00:10:05,717 --> 00:10:07,007 know, like You think it will ever hard 207 00:10:07,007 --> 00:10:08,397 fork again, successfully? 208 00:10:08,853 --> 00:10:10,393 I mean, it hard forks all the time, but 209 00:10:11,143 --> 00:10:18,168 I I think Yes, because of the, what is it, like the, the 2093 bug? 210 00:10:18,358 --> 00:10:18,878 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 211 00:10:18,918 --> 00:10:19,168 Yeah. 212 00:10:19,388 --> 00:10:20,798 That thing that needs to be fixed. 213 00:10:20,818 --> 00:10:24,418 So there, there's an issue in Bitcoin that needs to be fixed, otherwise we're fucked 214 00:10:24,418 --> 00:10:24,808 basically. 215 00:10:24,818 --> 00:10:25,348 Yeah. 216 00:10:25,958 --> 00:10:29,418 And I think that this is important because it gives us the responsibility 217 00:10:29,418 --> 00:10:33,018 of knowing and understanding that this will happen at some point in time. 218 00:10:33,068 --> 00:10:37,458 And the question is, is how much do we want to get in front of that? 219 00:10:37,468 --> 00:10:41,308 Or do we want to get right up to the boundary for it to be a real crisis point? 220 00:10:41,338 --> 00:10:41,548 Yeah. 221 00:10:41,548 --> 00:10:41,748 Yeah. 222 00:10:43,043 --> 00:10:47,043 And, uh, ultimately at the end of the day, I really appreciate that there is this 223 00:10:47,043 --> 00:10:49,193 responsibility coming from both sides. 224 00:10:49,273 --> 00:10:49,603 Yep. 225 00:10:49,773 --> 00:10:54,463 Um, and like, I've gotten some shit for, uh, like, I, I think inscriptions are 226 00:10:54,463 --> 00:10:59,893 like a pretty important new technology that, that Bitcoin can access in a 227 00:10:59,893 --> 00:11:04,063 meaningful way and utilize, like, the fact that Tankman is now on the time 228 00:11:04,063 --> 00:11:05,553 chain, I think is a really important. 229 00:11:06,998 --> 00:11:11,428 And I think future, yeah, this, the, during the, the 230 00:11:11,438 --> 00:11:13,098 Chinese democracy protests and, 231 00:11:13,118 --> 00:11:14,968 oh, yeah, yeah, the Tiananmen Square guy, 232 00:11:15,048 --> 00:11:19,168 yeah, so, so, so Tank Man and Tiananmen Square, that's an illegal image in 233 00:11:19,168 --> 00:11:22,708 China and you can now see it directly on Bitcoin's blockchain because 234 00:11:22,708 --> 00:11:24,263 of what inscriptions have offered. 235 00:11:24,853 --> 00:11:29,643 Now with that being said, like, Ordinals itself is just a randomized catalog, you 236 00:11:29,643 --> 00:11:31,703 know, anybody could do it or present it. 237 00:11:31,923 --> 00:11:35,923 It seems to mostly be for people to present kitsch NFT bullshit that's 238 00:11:35,933 --> 00:11:37,533 going to be trend towards zero. 239 00:11:38,353 --> 00:11:41,043 And at the end of the day, like, if people want to waste their 240 00:11:41,043 --> 00:11:42,193 money on that, that's fine. 241 00:11:42,273 --> 00:11:44,973 If, like, if you think that a stat is going to be worth more than 242 00:11:44,973 --> 00:11:47,353 a stat, you're welcome to that. 243 00:11:47,353 --> 00:11:48,413 I think it's dumb, but. 244 00:11:49,048 --> 00:11:49,838 Feel free. 245 00:11:50,148 --> 00:11:54,168 And this is one of the places that I think people can get too extremist, is that, uh, 246 00:11:54,228 --> 00:11:58,418 in the purity ness of being like, nothing on the blockchain except for financial 247 00:11:58,418 --> 00:12:03,388 transactions, I don't necessarily accept that on its face because there 248 00:12:03,408 --> 00:12:06,088 could be more valuable applications that I simply don't know about. 249 00:12:06,088 --> 00:12:06,638 Well, well, 250 00:12:07,368 --> 00:12:08,148 to begin with... 251 00:12:08,353 --> 00:12:12,993 What constitutes a financial transaction is entirely subjective, 252 00:12:13,043 --> 00:12:14,793 like homogeneity is subjective. 253 00:12:14,853 --> 00:12:17,393 Like there's no such thing as fungibility, really. 254 00:12:17,513 --> 00:12:17,903 Yeah. 255 00:12:17,903 --> 00:12:19,803 Everything is different to different people. 256 00:12:19,813 --> 00:12:22,343 Like, so there are no clear boundaries here. 257 00:12:22,343 --> 00:12:26,403 And that's, that's why it's so hard to box in and like explain in 258 00:12:26,433 --> 00:12:30,263 simple ways, because it requires this understanding of the subjective 259 00:12:30,263 --> 00:12:32,563 nature of everything in economics. 260 00:12:32,563 --> 00:12:32,793 Right. 261 00:12:33,333 --> 00:12:33,703 Yeah. 262 00:12:33,703 --> 00:12:34,363 And like that. 263 00:12:34,808 --> 00:12:38,621 It's a real double edged sword because on one hand that provides, like the 264 00:12:38,671 --> 00:12:43,041 total field of possibilities that we can actually access through economics. 265 00:12:43,101 --> 00:12:43,561 Yeah. 266 00:12:44,081 --> 00:12:47,011 However, also like that means we have to do the real work to 267 00:12:47,011 --> 00:12:48,711 understand all of that stuff. 268 00:12:48,741 --> 00:12:53,271 And that's one of the reasons that we have such endemic fiat brain 269 00:12:53,281 --> 00:12:55,281 is that people don't know how to actually think for themselves. 270 00:12:55,291 --> 00:12:55,451 No. 271 00:12:55,461 --> 00:12:57,901 Because they've been told what to think for so long. 272 00:12:58,021 --> 00:12:58,311 Yeah. 273 00:12:58,501 --> 00:13:02,181 That the foreignness of thinking for themselves feels wrong in and of itself. 274 00:13:02,211 --> 00:13:02,791 Yeah, yeah. 275 00:13:03,261 --> 00:13:05,881 You know, and for me, that's been one of the greatest struggles in me 276 00:13:05,881 --> 00:13:10,781 trying to orange pill people is people being like, why does it have value? 277 00:13:10,841 --> 00:13:13,581 And I get really frustrated because I'm like, well, think about it. 278 00:13:13,661 --> 00:13:13,871 Yeah. 279 00:13:13,871 --> 00:13:14,121 Yeah. 280 00:13:15,441 --> 00:13:15,861 Okay. 281 00:13:16,121 --> 00:13:18,921 Um, I'm going to give an outline, which I think. 282 00:13:19,146 --> 00:13:23,976 Uh, has tangent saw this, like the, the way, first the way I see like 283 00:13:23,976 --> 00:13:29,556 Bitcoin conservatism and bitcoin progressivism, whatever you may call it. 284 00:13:29,616 --> 00:13:34,256 Like, I got a question two days ago about like, what do you think 285 00:13:34,261 --> 00:13:38,186 would've happened if it would've been 42 million instead of 21 million and 286 00:13:38,186 --> 00:13:42,566 like the a hundred sets or uh, uh, a hundred coins the first four years 287 00:13:42,566 --> 00:13:44,836 instead of 50 and so on and so forth. 288 00:13:44,866 --> 00:13:48,726 And the thing is, we know that Bitcoin works now. 289 00:13:49,205 --> 00:13:52,145 And we know that history played out the way it did. 290 00:13:52,545 --> 00:13:57,085 What we do not know is if you change any of the parameters, if 291 00:13:57,085 --> 00:13:58,315 that would have ever happened. 292 00:13:59,075 --> 00:14:02,765 So, so we're here to study this thing and observe it behave in 293 00:14:02,765 --> 00:14:06,045 certain ways, but we, like, we cannot know what would have happened 294 00:14:06,055 --> 00:14:07,625 if any of the things were changed. 295 00:14:07,945 --> 00:14:13,350 And it's very close to, like, You know, the parameters of the universe, the 296 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:19,260 universal constants, like pi, or stuff like that, the speed of light, and what 297 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:27,570 not, the weak force and the strong force, we don't know, we're here to observe it. 298 00:14:28,750 --> 00:14:31,630 The thing is, this is the thing that religious people often tell me, 299 00:14:31,630 --> 00:14:37,030 that it seems designed because it couldn't have worked if the universe 300 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:38,590 wasn't as fine tuned as it is. 301 00:14:39,140 --> 00:14:43,270 But the thing is, if it wasn't as fine tuned as it is, you wouldn't have been 302 00:14:43,270 --> 00:14:44,770 here to observe it in the first place. 303 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,810 So, like, that's a loop argument to me. 304 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,520 And it also, in history, when you say that, like, We figured out 305 00:14:52,530 --> 00:14:57,880 free market economics in Western democracies, or, or that Judeo Christian 306 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,290 tradition led up to this point, and we wouldn't have this without that. 307 00:15:01,670 --> 00:15:07,830 I mean, it's impossible to, to know, and like wars created great inventions 308 00:15:07,830 --> 00:15:11,800 like the GPS and the radar and whatnot, and it's impossible to know 309 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:17,970 if those things happened because of, or despite of, The course of history. 310 00:15:18,610 --> 00:15:22,570 So I think we ought to be a bit more humble when seeing the correlations 311 00:15:22,570 --> 00:15:28,280 between things because like, it's very likely that the scientific process 312 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:33,090 would have been smoother and faster if we hadn't had, you know, religious 313 00:15:33,090 --> 00:15:36,685 institutions trampling down on scientists. 314 00:15:36,875 --> 00:15:38,705 During the Enlightenment, for instance. 315 00:15:39,155 --> 00:15:44,665 But also, the other point of view that we had this robust Judaeo 316 00:15:44,665 --> 00:15:47,355 Christian tradition, maybe that's what led up to these people 317 00:15:47,365 --> 00:15:48,905 thinking about these things at all. 318 00:15:49,265 --> 00:15:52,685 But my point is that we don't know, like. 319 00:15:53,510 --> 00:15:57,360 There's no way to tell how history would have played out if any of the, 320 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:58,770 it's the butterfly effect thing. 321 00:15:58,780 --> 00:16:01,520 Like if you changed something here, you change everything else. 322 00:16:01,570 --> 00:16:04,210 It's like, it's like the back to the future loop. 323 00:16:04,210 --> 00:16:06,340 If you could go back in time and change a little, little 324 00:16:06,540 --> 00:16:08,220 thing, you change everything. 325 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:14,890 So, so, uh, and that plays into this Bitcoin conservatism thing, because, uh, I 326 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:19,185 mean, Many of the people don't understand the BIPs and understand the issues, myself 327 00:16:19,185 --> 00:16:24,775 included, a lot of the time, uh, but there's a case to be made for conservatism 328 00:16:25,105 --> 00:16:30,361 in Bitcoin just because, it's delicate, like changing any of the parameters 329 00:16:30,361 --> 00:16:33,841 might ruin the entire fucking thing because for some reason we don't know. 330 00:16:34,816 --> 00:16:40,116 Uh, so, so that's, and I think there are parallels here to the history with 331 00:16:40,146 --> 00:16:44,266 organized religions, the history with, like, how we view the universe, the 332 00:16:44,266 --> 00:16:45,646 history with science and everything. 333 00:16:45,656 --> 00:16:47,506 Like, there's, there's a lot of parallels. 334 00:16:48,406 --> 00:16:50,916 Well, it's interesting because you actually touch on, like, a much 335 00:16:50,946 --> 00:16:53,156 deeper philosophical point of that. 336 00:16:54,136 --> 00:16:58,546 This idea that we know something is actually like the path towards hell. 337 00:16:58,763 --> 00:17:04,483 And like, and like very real genocidal, horrific amounts of killing have happened 338 00:17:04,573 --> 00:17:09,383 under this rubric of that we thought we actually knew what the right answer was. 339 00:17:09,413 --> 00:17:15,333 And we insisted upon that answer so intensely that, you know, here in Europe 340 00:17:15,333 --> 00:17:17,963 it had, you know, World War II was about. 341 00:17:18,483 --> 00:17:23,333 that becoming so loud and escalated that there was literally a class of 342 00:17:23,353 --> 00:17:27,523 people that were like the only way to deal with this jewish problem is the 343 00:17:27,523 --> 00:17:33,153 final solution you know and like like and like to be clear when you look at 344 00:17:33,413 --> 00:17:37,063 the Nuremberg trials like these dudes literally thought they were doing the 345 00:17:37,063 --> 00:17:42,108 right thing yeah and like It's insane, and this is what Hannah Ardent pointed out. 346 00:17:42,118 --> 00:17:46,208 She was like, look, Eichmann sincerely believed that he thought he was doing 347 00:17:46,208 --> 00:17:49,418 the right thing by obeying his duty to the state, and he made the whole 348 00:17:49,428 --> 00:17:54,088 argument that if people weren't going to do their duty to the state, that it 349 00:17:54,088 --> 00:17:59,163 would just be chaos and anarchy, and she was like, look at this midwit And 350 00:17:59,163 --> 00:18:04,053 how when you ask him to think about an ethical prerogative on his own 351 00:18:04,053 --> 00:18:09,863 accords, he has no self referencability except for pointing back to the state. 352 00:18:10,103 --> 00:18:14,723 She was like, this is literally what evil is because it's incapable of thinking. 353 00:18:15,143 --> 00:18:21,363 It reminds me of one of the last chapters of The White Pill by Michael Malice about 354 00:18:21,363 --> 00:18:27,823 the Soviet Union and the East Bloc and how people were wrongly accused of different 355 00:18:27,863 --> 00:18:34,113 crimes and they willingly admitted to having wrongly committed these crimes and 356 00:18:34,123 --> 00:18:39,573 willingly put themselves in the gulags, in the actual gulags, because they thought, 357 00:18:40,003 --> 00:18:43,773 you know, defending the system that put them there was more important than 358 00:18:43,773 --> 00:18:49,623 defending their own civil rights, you know, and that that's what a bad enough 359 00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:52,413 system can do to to people's brains. 360 00:18:52,473 --> 00:18:57,163 You know, you're like, you, you refuse to let go of this appeal to authority. 361 00:18:57,623 --> 00:18:58,796 And all hell happens. 362 00:18:59,136 --> 00:19:02,916 Like that's, that's the most dangerous thing, like the atomic bomb. 363 00:19:03,266 --> 00:19:07,787 And yeah, my talk tomorrow is about Oppenheimer and Satoshi Nakamoto 364 00:19:07,787 --> 00:19:10,676 and the similarities, like how they harness the power of physics to 365 00:19:10,676 --> 00:19:12,416 change human incentive structures. 366 00:19:12,763 --> 00:19:18,585 And I think the, the crucial thing that Oppenheimer left out of his He 367 00:19:18,585 --> 00:19:22,215 saw this thing, he rationalized it, at least according to the movie, he 368 00:19:22,215 --> 00:19:27,925 rationalized it to himself by thinking that if we construct this extremely 369 00:19:27,925 --> 00:19:31,705 destructive thing, then we end all wars, because game theory says so, 370 00:19:31,705 --> 00:19:35,865 because no one will bomb one another anymore, especially not, especially 371 00:19:35,875 --> 00:19:40,315 not attack the US, because doing so is in all probability a suicidal move. 372 00:19:40,725 --> 00:19:42,155 So that's how you stop wars. 373 00:19:42,745 --> 00:19:43,335 But he missed. 374 00:19:43,775 --> 00:19:49,085 His own incentives, like, he did all the things, all the funding for the Los Alamos 375 00:19:49,115 --> 00:19:54,361 and the test bomb and everything, and for him to do his science was this big bag 376 00:19:54,371 --> 00:20:01,371 of dangling shitcoin, American shitcoins in front of him, and he grabbed it and 377 00:20:01,411 --> 00:20:05,951 thereby put this destructive force in the hands of the Absolutely the wrong people. 378 00:20:05,951 --> 00:20:07,188 I mean, this is the thing. 379 00:20:07,238 --> 00:20:08,298 Science is beautiful. 380 00:20:08,308 --> 00:20:12,238 Science is fantastic, but it always ends up in the hands 381 00:20:12,238 --> 00:20:13,968 of the absolute wrong people. 382 00:20:14,008 --> 00:20:20,508 That is governments, because they're a force for evil, like, and this thing is so 383 00:20:20,508 --> 00:20:23,268 left out of the equation all at all times. 384 00:20:23,268 --> 00:20:26,568 I think like the, uh, the lessons from world war two and everything, 385 00:20:26,693 --> 00:20:32,003 The thing that's missing from the conversation is just that, I mean, if 386 00:20:32,003 --> 00:20:35,233 you don't want to be a Nazi, don't be a nationalist, and don't be a socialist. 387 00:20:35,303 --> 00:20:36,623 Like, this is like, 388 00:20:38,253 --> 00:20:39,803 we're missing the point, 389 00:20:40,583 --> 00:20:44,463 like, stop, stop appealing to authority. 390 00:20:44,473 --> 00:20:46,453 That's, that is the problem. 391 00:20:46,613 --> 00:20:46,893 Well, 392 00:20:47,113 --> 00:20:47,423 and... 393 00:20:47,978 --> 00:20:51,738 It's interesting because Oppenheimer had the particular danger of who 394 00:20:51,738 --> 00:20:56,038 and how he was in the world that it gave him a particular egoism to 395 00:20:56,038 --> 00:20:57,948 have him believe that that was okay. 396 00:20:57,958 --> 00:20:58,758 Yeah, it was put on a 397 00:20:58,758 --> 00:20:59,328 pedestal. 398 00:20:59,338 --> 00:21:03,268 Well, and it, it, it makes me think of the parable of the frog and the 399 00:21:03,268 --> 00:21:05,838 scorpion where the scorpion, you know, it's like, Hey, like, give 400 00:21:05,838 --> 00:21:07,348 me a ride across the river frog. 401 00:21:07,368 --> 00:21:09,268 And the frog was like, well, you're a scorpion. 402 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:09,978 You're going to sting me. 403 00:21:09,978 --> 00:21:10,808 Like I shouldn't do that. 404 00:21:10,808 --> 00:21:12,338 And he's like, no, why would I sting you? 405 00:21:12,338 --> 00:21:14,188 If I sting you, we both die. 406 00:21:14,198 --> 00:21:14,638 You know, that. 407 00:21:15,478 --> 00:21:16,428 Why would I do that? 408 00:21:16,508 --> 00:21:20,878 And frog's like, okay, frog gives him a ride halfway through scorpion stings. 409 00:21:20,878 --> 00:21:24,108 And the frog goes, what the fuck, man, we're both going to die now. 410 00:21:24,148 --> 00:21:26,268 And he's like, yeah, I'm a scorpion. 411 00:21:26,278 --> 00:21:27,928 Like, what did you think I was going to do? 412 00:21:29,328 --> 00:21:29,538 You know? 413 00:21:29,568 --> 00:21:31,528 And it's really important to understand that like. 414 00:21:32,011 --> 00:21:35,771 This is just the nature of what the individuals who wind up in 415 00:21:35,771 --> 00:21:39,111 politics wants because it's a power game and a power dynamic. 416 00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:42,561 So they're going to say whatever they need to say in order to be successful. 417 00:21:42,611 --> 00:21:43,041 Yeah, yeah. 418 00:21:43,091 --> 00:21:46,011 So it's like, I empathize towards Oppenheimer because it's important to 419 00:21:46,011 --> 00:21:50,371 understand that there was a whole class of powerful men who came to Oppenheimer 420 00:21:50,371 --> 00:21:54,631 and like, if you don't do this, we're all going to die because the Nazis 421 00:21:54,631 --> 00:21:59,211 get the bomb first and it's going to be a catastrophic and horrific thing. 422 00:21:59,926 --> 00:22:01,126 And what's really interesting is that... 423 00:22:01,146 --> 00:22:01,626 Which, in 424 00:22:01,666 --> 00:22:03,406 the end, it became anyway. 425 00:22:03,716 --> 00:22:04,256 Yeah! 426 00:22:04,576 --> 00:22:09,196 And like it, it almost became this sad unavoidability that, you know, 427 00:22:09,206 --> 00:22:12,516 because of the way that the conflict was escalating and how technology 428 00:22:12,526 --> 00:22:14,936 had offered its service in this way. 429 00:22:15,346 --> 00:22:16,506 Did you see the movie, by the way? 430 00:22:16,566 --> 00:22:17,236 No, I did not. 431 00:22:17,236 --> 00:22:17,596 Okay. 432 00:22:17,846 --> 00:22:18,630 Uh, I... 433 00:22:19,511 --> 00:22:24,651 I probably will at some point, but I just wasn't necessarily inspired. 434 00:22:24,861 --> 00:22:25,351 No, 435 00:22:25,481 --> 00:22:28,761 uh, I mean, it's what you'd expect from Nolan. 436 00:22:28,871 --> 00:22:30,991 I mean, it's, so it's well acted. 437 00:22:30,991 --> 00:22:32,711 The cinematography is great. 438 00:22:32,801 --> 00:22:36,991 I mean, a lot of the things about the movie is great, but it's somewhat, 439 00:22:37,121 --> 00:22:43,801 uh, unnecessarily convoluted because I think he sometimes does that for its own 440 00:22:43,801 --> 00:22:48,381 sake, you know, makes, makes the movies more complicated than they need to be. 441 00:22:48,691 --> 00:22:51,981 Okay, but yeah, overall, it's a very good movie, I would say. 442 00:22:52,391 --> 00:22:55,701 I also just kind of take issue with some general historic revisionisms that 443 00:22:55,711 --> 00:23:00,321 happens through Hollywood, and like it, I think it's a general inevitability, 444 00:23:00,881 --> 00:23:05,561 but I just find it, it dramatizes all of this in a way that I think it's... 445 00:23:06,181 --> 00:23:09,491 It's really important to understand that like when Oppenheimer was 446 00:23:09,491 --> 00:23:12,121 doing this, like he had no idea if he was going to be successful. 447 00:23:12,121 --> 00:23:15,551 He didn't understand the consequences of it, which I think for Oppenheimer 448 00:23:15,551 --> 00:23:17,201 particularly is important of that. 449 00:23:17,291 --> 00:23:21,085 Uh, I think it's really interesting because in the actual literature, he 450 00:23:21,085 --> 00:23:25,078 says that the quote about, you know, I am becoming Shiva, the destroyer of 451 00:23:25,078 --> 00:23:29,708 worlds, he said that that specifically came to him, not that he thought it, but 452 00:23:29,708 --> 00:23:31,958 that like, that's what came into him. 453 00:23:32,018 --> 00:23:32,788 So that's a quote 454 00:23:32,788 --> 00:23:34,278 from, uh, who, who wrote that? 455 00:23:34,278 --> 00:23:34,768 The Bhattagravita. 456 00:23:35,178 --> 00:23:36,848 Yeah, the Bhattagravita, yeah, yeah. 457 00:23:37,018 --> 00:23:37,128 You 458 00:23:37,128 --> 00:23:39,948 know, and, and, and I think that that's of particular importance just 459 00:23:39,948 --> 00:23:45,028 because when he witnessed the horrific destruction it could entail, he realized 460 00:23:45,038 --> 00:23:46,578 the, the fundamental truth of that. 461 00:23:46,578 --> 00:23:47,868 Like he was engaging. 462 00:23:48,318 --> 00:23:52,818 And some very serious metaphysical stuff that could destroy humanity on 463 00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:54,859 a whole. 464 00:23:54,909 --> 00:23:58,599 There's a quote from the movie, there's a near zero chance that we might 465 00:23:58,629 --> 00:24:02,139 destroy the entire planet because we might set off a chain reaction. 466 00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:05,729 Well, like, to me, this is one of the places we're at today that I think 467 00:24:05,729 --> 00:24:10,829 is so important with where panoptic technology is at and with where the 468 00:24:10,829 --> 00:24:12,539 developments of AI is at, is that right? 469 00:24:12,539 --> 00:24:12,849 Yeah, yeah. 470 00:24:13,714 --> 00:24:17,964 These are very, very powerful and very, very dangerous tools that, 471 00:24:18,054 --> 00:24:22,634 uh, we have put them in the hands of morons that have politicized it. 472 00:24:23,174 --> 00:24:27,714 And furthermore, like we're already seeing what the structures 473 00:24:27,724 --> 00:24:29,184 look like when implemented. 474 00:24:29,254 --> 00:24:31,904 And like, I always like to point out that the Uyghur genocide going on 475 00:24:31,904 --> 00:24:38,054 in China, like this is the perfect genocide because they realize that it's 476 00:24:38,054 --> 00:24:41,144 different from what happened in the Holocaust because they're not trying to 477 00:24:41,144 --> 00:24:43,654 actually just destroy an entire people. 478 00:24:44,164 --> 00:24:48,174 And the reason why is that they found, utilizing both propaganda and 479 00:24:48,174 --> 00:24:51,854 technology, why should you destroy these perfectly useful bodies? 480 00:24:52,264 --> 00:24:54,534 What you need to do is hollow them out first. 481 00:24:54,974 --> 00:24:58,954 And so once you can thoroughly destroy people's culture, when you can totally 482 00:24:58,954 --> 00:25:03,374 surveil them at all points in time without them knowing when or where, you can 483 00:25:03,374 --> 00:25:05,024 actually just liquidate their culture. 484 00:25:05,604 --> 00:25:08,474 Propagandize them to make them into good little Chinese citizens, 485 00:25:08,764 --> 00:25:11,264 and you release them back out into the world to be your slaves. 486 00:25:11,684 --> 00:25:15,804 And now, now you have the perfect genocide, because you've liquidated the 487 00:25:15,804 --> 00:25:20,634 actual identity of a people's, and you've replaced it with a national identity. 488 00:25:20,984 --> 00:25:24,204 Yeah, yeah, you turned, you turned people into dogs, basically. 489 00:25:24,214 --> 00:25:25,134 Yeah, yeah, 490 00:25:25,284 --> 00:25:25,334 yeah. 491 00:25:25,334 --> 00:25:28,974 You know, and as we were joking earlier, Ben's version of dog is God. 492 00:25:29,304 --> 00:25:30,234 And this is, you know... 493 00:25:30,539 --> 00:25:35,339 This is how you get a subservient population that acts like dogs to a god 494 00:25:35,339 --> 00:25:38,419 of the state is by doing this process 495 00:25:38,419 --> 00:25:38,769 to them. 496 00:25:39,459 --> 00:25:44,609 And this appeal to some type of authority seems to be inherited in people. 497 00:25:44,609 --> 00:25:48,159 And I know, like the, I buy the argument for. 498 00:25:48,879 --> 00:25:53,559 Uh, religious belief that it's better to believe in a, you know, guy in the sky 499 00:25:53,809 --> 00:25:59,019 than a guy on earth, because a guy on earth is way more dangerous than, but, but 500 00:25:59,019 --> 00:26:03,169 I think the, the, the core issue is like this appeal to authority to exist at all. 501 00:26:03,429 --> 00:26:04,179 And it seems like. 502 00:26:04,744 --> 00:26:08,104 A majority of people, it's inherent in them. 503 00:26:08,104 --> 00:26:12,814 They need this, you know, they need someone to tell them what to do. 504 00:26:12,824 --> 00:26:17,374 It's like, uh, they're lost without a, uh, not without the compass, 505 00:26:17,374 --> 00:26:19,124 but without the compass salesman. 506 00:26:19,814 --> 00:26:20,464 You know what I mean? 507 00:26:20,554 --> 00:26:20,804 Sure. 508 00:26:20,854 --> 00:26:24,314 And, and compass salesmen are, are dangerous. 509 00:26:24,934 --> 00:26:26,224 One, I, I think that the... 510 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:29,879 This, again, is a product of our general world, because I think, as we 511 00:26:29,929 --> 00:26:34,039 see with Bitcoiners, when you're part of a culture where it encourages self 512 00:26:34,049 --> 00:26:38,779 thought and the ability to rely on yourself and to think for yourself, 513 00:26:39,429 --> 00:26:43,209 that's like a muscle that people can work and cultivate for themselves, and when 514 00:26:43,209 --> 00:26:46,829 you're in a bigger community that does that, you've now elevated this behavior 515 00:26:46,829 --> 00:26:49,039 to be an honorable and virtuous thing. 516 00:26:49,059 --> 00:26:49,319 Yeah. 517 00:26:49,829 --> 00:26:52,999 And so this is one of the things that gives me great hope is that, uh, 518 00:26:53,389 --> 00:26:57,679 like as many NPCs are out there and as dangerous and destructive as it 519 00:26:57,689 --> 00:27:01,929 is without being able to have people think for themselves, this is all a 520 00:27:01,929 --> 00:27:09,174 product of pliable people that have been manipulated on under, under terms of 521 00:27:09,174 --> 00:27:11,524 both duress and promises of good stuff. 522 00:27:11,614 --> 00:27:14,234 And this is one of the things I always find the most intriguing about talking 523 00:27:14,234 --> 00:27:19,897 with NPCs about their perspectives is that they, they always have a very optimistic 524 00:27:19,907 --> 00:27:23,017 and hopeful viewpoint that trusts. 525 00:27:23,677 --> 00:27:26,457 The goodness in the other, which is like that. 526 00:27:26,467 --> 00:27:30,757 That's a really great thing that we need to have, but we absolutely need 527 00:27:30,767 --> 00:27:34,479 to make sure that that isn't polluted with just a general appeal to authority. 528 00:27:34,564 --> 00:27:37,064 That's, I have a point on, on, on this one. 529 00:27:37,184 --> 00:27:39,794 This is, this is like a thing in, in. 530 00:27:40,484 --> 00:27:43,864 The vision of where Bitcoin is going to take us that I still 531 00:27:43,924 --> 00:27:46,184 somewhat can't get my head around. 532 00:27:46,484 --> 00:27:51,984 And it is that if we, if we do fix the monetary system and get that all 533 00:27:51,994 --> 00:27:55,904 working fine, and its incentives are good and everything and reduce the size 534 00:27:55,904 --> 00:27:59,094 of government and all this, what do we still do about people who are just going 535 00:27:59,104 --> 00:28:01,704 to still ignore that and be aggressive? 536 00:28:01,704 --> 00:28:06,844 And even though the incentives might be reduced towards aggression, there 537 00:28:06,844 --> 00:28:08,019 are still people who ignore them. 538 00:28:08,329 --> 00:28:12,799 Just naturally wants to take, and I mean, I'll be specific as 539 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,189 well, like, it's a male thing. 540 00:28:14,849 --> 00:28:19,519 The way I see it is that what you remove is the smart criminals. 541 00:28:19,779 --> 00:28:23,449 You don't remove the stupid criminals, like, that are gonna just, you 542 00:28:23,449 --> 00:28:26,219 know, go to a football game and kick the shit out of one another. 543 00:28:26,459 --> 00:28:28,579 Because they supported the wrong team or whatever. 544 00:28:28,939 --> 00:28:32,529 So that will probably still be around, just this, ooh, brute aggressivity. 545 00:28:35,034 --> 00:28:41,134 But still, a clever person will realize that if you don't know how much another 546 00:28:41,134 --> 00:28:44,584 person owns, and you can't really take it by force, because it's in 547 00:28:44,584 --> 00:28:49,724 their heads, so you can't kill them, then no one gets anything, what game 548 00:28:49,724 --> 00:28:51,624 theory tells us about that is like, uh. 549 00:28:52,539 --> 00:28:57,279 At best, you get away with 50 percent of that person's Bitcoin, so it's probably 550 00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,989 better to, to interact peacefully. 551 00:28:58,989 --> 00:29:02,249 So, so you, like, remove the, the real dangerous people, the 552 00:29:02,249 --> 00:29:06,719 psychopaths, the, the people in charge that conduct world wars and so on. 553 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:09,939 So that's what you take away, but petty crime, like... 554 00:29:10,534 --> 00:29:16,674 Uh, there will, of course, still be teenagers, and there will be grunts, 555 00:29:16,844 --> 00:29:19,874 people in British pubs saying oi, you 556 00:29:19,874 --> 00:29:20,244 know. 557 00:29:20,474 --> 00:29:21,374 What was the example 558 00:29:21,384 --> 00:29:22,154 you were going to use? 559 00:29:22,924 --> 00:29:27,454 What I was thinking of is that, uh, our friend Joni was telling me a 560 00:29:27,514 --> 00:29:30,214 little bit about this, that there have been some gang attacks in 561 00:29:30,214 --> 00:29:32,074 Sweden, where people have like... 562 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:35,359 Chopped off fingers or something if they don't give them 563 00:29:35,369 --> 00:29:36,599 whatever they're looking for. 564 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:38,799 And like, it's just dark stuff, right? 565 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:43,449 And, and, and I think, what was I latching onto from, from what you said? 566 00:29:43,459 --> 00:29:48,309 It, it's, it's just, it's something, it's something like, where are we headed? 567 00:29:49,579 --> 00:29:56,149 I still don't see the solution where, uh, It's not exactly about solving the, the 568 00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:58,789 issue of human nature towards violence. 569 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:03,419 It's more like, what structures are we going to still need to have that 570 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,379 look a lot like today's governments? 571 00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:09,859 Like, that's, that's the, the, the thing that still gets me. 572 00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:15,049 And, and I'm not even thinking in the, in the vein of, of that we're going to need 573 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:16,799 some kind of actual daddy government. 574 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:17,819 That's not what I'm thinking. 575 00:30:17,819 --> 00:30:18,339 We're gonna need 576 00:30:18,349 --> 00:30:18,809 law. 577 00:30:18,899 --> 00:30:21,059 Well, yeah, and I think that the... 578 00:30:22,189 --> 00:30:25,169 This is where stuff gets really interesting, because where we're at 579 00:30:25,169 --> 00:30:29,929 right now is so extremely rudimentary in terms of the form of law that 580 00:30:29,939 --> 00:30:33,399 Bitcoin provides, because it's essentially all transactional right now. 581 00:30:33,959 --> 00:30:36,889 But one of the things that I imagine is using something like, 582 00:30:36,959 --> 00:30:40,589 like, mini scripts or mven or whatever multisig scheme you want. 583 00:30:41,099 --> 00:30:44,989 That there's essentially an ability to put your money into that multisig scheme. 584 00:30:44,999 --> 00:30:49,739 Guy shows up to cut off my fingers and I go, look, you can look at the address, 585 00:30:49,769 --> 00:30:51,159 you can see how much money is there. 586 00:30:51,399 --> 00:30:53,869 This isn't a multisig that I don't control. 587 00:30:54,099 --> 00:30:57,659 And because you asked me to put my password first, I put in actually, 588 00:30:57,739 --> 00:31:02,459 uh, like a panic password, that that has now messaged all of the 589 00:31:02,459 --> 00:31:04,639 other owners of these private keys. 590 00:31:04,729 --> 00:31:04,979 Yeah. 591 00:31:05,019 --> 00:31:09,959 And they know if they show up within the next block with a shotgun to kill you, 592 00:31:10,379 --> 00:31:12,789 Uh, they're gonna get the amount of money. 593 00:31:13,624 --> 00:31:15,764 You know, they're going to get 10 percent of the wallet or 594 00:31:15,774 --> 00:31:17,794 however much we've agreed upon. 595 00:31:18,094 --> 00:31:20,554 And also that's fluid based upon how quick they respond, 596 00:31:20,564 --> 00:31:21,744 who they are, where they're at. 597 00:31:22,374 --> 00:31:27,134 And essentially, like, I think what we're going to do vis a vis cryptography and 598 00:31:27,134 --> 00:31:31,964 essentially with the time chain as this backbone to sort of keep truth within. 599 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:36,309 The sort of law that we're going to implement, we're going to create a 600 00:31:36,309 --> 00:31:40,769 new form of law that utilizes the cryptographic protocol in such a way that 601 00:31:40,769 --> 00:31:44,609 we're going to start playing with it and doing these really interesting things. 602 00:31:44,629 --> 00:31:48,629 And it's funny, this reminds me of a quote from my favorite philosopher, who 603 00:31:48,629 --> 00:31:54,129 I based most of my work off of, Giorgio Ambighen, and he says that And this is 604 00:31:54,129 --> 00:31:57,829 kind of paraphrasing, but essentially it's like, when humanity starts to play 605 00:31:57,829 --> 00:32:03,229 with law as like a disused object, similar to how children play with a disused 606 00:32:03,579 --> 00:32:10,109 object, we can return law, not in order to restore it to its canonical use, but 607 00:32:10,109 --> 00:32:12,209 in order to free us from it for good. 608 00:32:12,959 --> 00:32:17,789 And so to me, like, the great problem with law today is it represents a raw and 609 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:22,659 thoughtless form of authoritarianism that has nothing to do with the law at all. 610 00:32:23,179 --> 00:32:28,249 The law is actually about the consensus of what we agree upon to be the law, and 611 00:32:28,249 --> 00:32:34,539 it's very, very important to understand what the law is in its traditional form, 612 00:32:34,539 --> 00:32:38,839 as it is the traditional idea of what... 613 00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:40,509 Laws supposed to be. 614 00:32:40,529 --> 00:32:43,689 So, first of all, common wealth, that's literally what Bitcoin is. 615 00:32:43,689 --> 00:32:46,499 It is a wealth that we hold in common because it provides a 616 00:32:46,529 --> 00:32:48,599 unitary form of law for both of us. 617 00:32:49,339 --> 00:32:51,729 But even more interesting is the Latin translation of 618 00:32:51,729 --> 00:32:53,489 common wealth is res publica. 619 00:32:54,009 --> 00:32:55,999 This means the public thing. 620 00:32:56,929 --> 00:32:59,579 And what's interesting is that the law is the most public 621 00:32:59,579 --> 00:33:01,179 of all things to all people. 622 00:33:01,764 --> 00:33:05,064 And we live in a world today where we don't have a law anymore. 623 00:33:05,244 --> 00:33:09,054 There is a two tiered society where there are some people that can get away 624 00:33:09,054 --> 00:33:11,474 with the most heinous of all crimes. 625 00:33:12,014 --> 00:33:18,234 And most particularly, the 20th century was a story of multiple genocides where 626 00:33:18,234 --> 00:33:23,784 hundreds of millions of people were killed and not a single individual was murdered. 627 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,559 That's extremely important to understand that a hu hundreds of millions of people 628 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:34,729 were destroyed and deprived of their life, but not a single human was murdered. 629 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:38,359 Because murder is a legal crime. 630 00:33:38,879 --> 00:33:43,589 And not a single Jew was killed in the holocaust was illegal. 631 00:33:43,719 --> 00:33:46,709 Because they were all stripped of citizen citizenship. 632 00:33:47,549 --> 00:33:51,759 And that made sure that they had no access to the law in and of itself. 633 00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:56,519 This is where we are at today, and I also believe that the crimes that 634 00:33:56,529 --> 00:34:00,189 happened in World War II were so extreme and significant that it, it 635 00:34:00,299 --> 00:34:06,359 obliterated the law totally, because it showed that once you had psychopaths 636 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:11,409 in charge of a nation state, they could utilize the, the policies of the 637 00:34:11,409 --> 00:34:14,679 state to destroy other populations of people, and we've witnessed so, uh... 638 00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:23,919 What about the case for optimism, though? 639 00:34:23,989 --> 00:34:25,159 So, like, we, uh... 640 00:34:25,429 --> 00:34:25,899 I'm always 641 00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:27,189 so dark that people really 642 00:34:27,809 --> 00:34:28,409 need to press that. 643 00:34:28,509 --> 00:34:29,099 Yeah, yeah. 644 00:34:29,099 --> 00:34:33,169 So, so, because the way, a way to look at this is like, we have 645 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,399 Bitcoin, we have social media. 646 00:34:35,469 --> 00:34:39,419 Sure, you can be shadow banned and you can have a harder time reaching the 647 00:34:39,419 --> 00:34:40,969 person you want to reach and whatever. 648 00:34:41,009 --> 00:34:41,669 But still... 649 00:34:42,569 --> 00:34:45,829 Even the flawed social media platforms we have today, and then 650 00:34:47,059 --> 00:34:52,009 Nostr and other alternatives are blossoming slowly but surely as well. 651 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:55,749 But we have those tools and like post. 652 00:34:56,104 --> 00:35:01,304 COVID or post the lockdowns, uh, zoom calls and, and, uh, stuff have 653 00:35:01,304 --> 00:35:06,064 become insane, insanely, but much better than they were pre COVID. 654 00:35:06,134 --> 00:35:10,224 Like no one was really doing zoom calls on a daily basis 655 00:35:10,224 --> 00:35:12,074 before, before the lockdowns. 656 00:35:12,584 --> 00:35:15,264 So that sort of forced us to develop this technology. 657 00:35:15,294 --> 00:35:16,944 And now you can reach any person. 658 00:35:18,469 --> 00:35:21,929 Regardless of where they are on the globe, I mean, we can record a podcast 659 00:35:22,009 --> 00:35:27,859 with Rob, for instance, when he's in Hawaii, with no lag, and the program we 660 00:35:27,859 --> 00:35:33,419 use, the AIs are so good now, and there's a race to become the dominant software 661 00:35:33,439 --> 00:35:38,339 for stuff like this, so the program can edit this stuff for us, cut out the 662 00:35:38,339 --> 00:35:43,804 noise, you know, and, you know, Uh, if we have two cameras, it, it, it, uh, 663 00:35:43,864 --> 00:35:48,224 switches to the other, the person that's about to talk before he starts talking. 664 00:35:48,224 --> 00:35:50,024 All of this stuff is happening in real time. 665 00:35:50,024 --> 00:35:55,894 It's the, the, the speed of the technology improvements is just insane. 666 00:35:55,914 --> 00:35:57,394 How, how good that is. 667 00:35:57,824 --> 00:35:59,714 And so all those tools are there. 668 00:35:59,734 --> 00:36:01,874 And yeah, and you add Bitcoin to that. 669 00:36:01,904 --> 00:36:04,804 It's just all the tools are there. 670 00:36:04,844 --> 00:36:10,419 I, I talked to the, um, So my friend Christian, the founder of BTCX, the 671 00:36:10,419 --> 00:36:14,149 oldest Swedish exchange about, and he gave me some numbers of how many 672 00:36:14,149 --> 00:36:15,979 customers they have had over the years. 673 00:36:16,359 --> 00:36:19,259 And he said around 300, 000. 674 00:36:19,309 --> 00:36:21,259 And there's another big Swedish exchange. 675 00:36:21,659 --> 00:36:26,049 And so if you take into account that there might be some customers that use 676 00:36:26,209 --> 00:36:29,139 both services, but they're about as big. 677 00:36:29,229 --> 00:36:31,679 So add another hundred thousand, that's 400, 000. 678 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:33,759 And let's say there's a hundred thousand people that bought 679 00:36:33,759 --> 00:36:35,419 off of other exchanges or... 680 00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:36,459 Freedom's 681 00:36:36,459 --> 00:36:37,059 population. 682 00:36:37,434 --> 00:36:38,004 10 million. 683 00:36:38,214 --> 00:36:38,454 Okay. 684 00:36:38,604 --> 00:36:44,364 So it's 5% of the population that has the power to pay people in Bitcoin 685 00:36:44,544 --> 00:36:49,314 because they all own Bitcoin and a hundred percent of the population has the 686 00:36:49,314 --> 00:36:52,134 ability to, to uh, uh, receive Bitcoin. 687 00:36:52,834 --> 00:36:56,184 So the, the, the economy's already there. 688 00:36:56,694 --> 00:36:56,784 ? Mm-hmm. 689 00:36:57,084 --> 00:36:58,224 . We just have to tap into it. 690 00:36:58,224 --> 00:37:01,164 And people just have to start accepting Bitcoin for the goods and services. 691 00:37:01,164 --> 00:37:03,104 And you are out. 692 00:37:03,224 --> 00:37:05,084 You don't have to worry about the government anymore. 693 00:37:05,384 --> 00:37:07,784 like, it's, it's really that simple. 694 00:37:07,784 --> 00:37:09,014 And if you add all the. 695 00:37:09,594 --> 00:37:12,654 You know, as you were alluding to the multisigs and the coinjoins 696 00:37:12,654 --> 00:37:16,624 and whatnot, and like all these technologies, they are already there. 697 00:37:16,634 --> 00:37:21,584 And the, the educational platforms and the, the content that is out 698 00:37:21,584 --> 00:37:24,414 there, you, you can learn how to be a sovereign individual. 699 00:37:24,474 --> 00:37:31,354 I mean, I'm working on a, um, a course, um, based on my praxeology book on 700 00:37:31,394 --> 00:37:33,964 a platform called, uh, Emeralize. 701 00:37:34,779 --> 00:37:40,259 Uh, which is like Udemy and, um, uh, powered by, uh, Lightning. 702 00:37:40,839 --> 00:37:44,529 So it's a cross between Udemy and maybe Substack. 703 00:37:44,659 --> 00:37:44,999 Yeah. 704 00:37:45,479 --> 00:37:51,409 Uh, and this course is going to be a part of a master's program in self sovereignty. 705 00:37:51,479 --> 00:37:53,739 Like, and this is not the only thing. 706 00:37:53,739 --> 00:37:58,349 I'm just a tiny part of, and Emerlize is also just a tiny part of this. 707 00:37:59,479 --> 00:38:01,689 Ecosystem that is building around this thing. 708 00:38:01,989 --> 00:38:06,349 So I think there's a great case to be made for, you know, we've got this. 709 00:38:06,549 --> 00:38:09,549 Everyone in this community knows that CBDCs are shit. 710 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,709 And we know that like, there are ways around all these things. 711 00:38:12,729 --> 00:38:16,259 And once, I mean, people are going to look at us like. 712 00:38:16,629 --> 00:38:18,659 Uh, . Look at those guys. 713 00:38:18,659 --> 00:38:21,629 They seem to be happy and like not worried about stuff. 714 00:38:21,629 --> 00:38:28,319 And, and that's gonna, it smittens people, like, uh, so, so I think, 715 00:38:28,589 --> 00:38:32,219 and I think there's, that's smittens, is that even a word? 716 00:38:32,489 --> 00:38:34,149 Uh, To be ssm, yeah. 717 00:38:34,339 --> 00:38:34,629 Yeah. 718 00:38:34,629 --> 00:38:34,909 To Besm. 719 00:38:35,309 --> 00:38:39,659 That's the word now, , that is important because, uh, that's how 720 00:38:39,659 --> 00:38:41,309 we grow the community and like the. 721 00:38:41,929 --> 00:38:47,919 Spreading this optimism about the future, like, because being angry at stuff, 722 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:53,339 and, and, you know, just focusing on, oh, this was so fucking bad, and this 723 00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:57,299 is so fucking bad, and we, we need to, to, uh, fight this, and we need 724 00:38:57,299 --> 00:39:01,269 to, well, just don't worry about it, it's okay, don't retweet shit corners, 725 00:39:01,569 --> 00:39:05,759 don't, don't promote governments, don't even talk about it, just show people 726 00:39:06,304 --> 00:39:12,064 There's a way to live life without worries, because you've got a tiny stack 727 00:39:12,064 --> 00:39:13,494 and you know it's gonna last forever, 728 00:39:13,504 --> 00:39:13,974 like. 729 00:39:14,034 --> 00:39:17,554 No, I mean, there's a great point, particularly for like the angry rant guy. 730 00:39:17,564 --> 00:39:20,394 It's probably pretty important for me to emphasize that like. 731 00:39:21,514 --> 00:39:25,014 Uh, I, I feel a greater amount of hope than I've ever felt 732 00:39:25,054 --> 00:39:26,904 and every day it grows more. 733 00:39:26,914 --> 00:39:27,594 Good to hear it. 734 00:39:27,594 --> 00:39:32,914 And you said at the beginning, uh, you, you'd use the word bloom and that hooked 735 00:39:32,914 --> 00:39:36,814 me because I think right now we're going through a renaissance that is a 736 00:39:36,814 --> 00:39:41,564 bloom of ideas that are exploding and, and there are so many things going on 737 00:39:41,644 --> 00:39:45,424 and it's growing and like you said, we have all the technology, the ability, 738 00:39:45,464 --> 00:39:48,004 so much is just an educational aspect. 739 00:39:49,044 --> 00:39:52,994 And so maybe I'm mistaken, but. 740 00:39:55,134 --> 00:39:58,194 Maybe that gap is going to be much shorter than we think. 741 00:39:58,214 --> 00:40:03,684 And I think there's a pretty strong argument to say that it will be shorter 742 00:40:03,684 --> 00:40:09,404 just because we have such a pliable herd population that once where they 743 00:40:09,404 --> 00:40:12,874 actually see that like fiat has been defeated and that Bitcoin is here. 744 00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:13,494 Yeah. 745 00:40:13,494 --> 00:40:16,424 And I love pointing out that like the word evangelical in Latin 746 00:40:16,424 --> 00:40:18,594 means the bringer of good news. 747 00:40:18,654 --> 00:40:19,984 And that's what we're doing as Bitcoiners. 748 00:40:20,004 --> 00:40:22,214 We're bringing the good news of what Bitcoin is. 749 00:40:22,924 --> 00:40:25,524 And it could be very possible that all of these evil forces 750 00:40:25,544 --> 00:40:26,914 see this and they go, Oh shit. 751 00:40:26,914 --> 00:40:29,374 Like, Oh, like our, our, the game's up. 752 00:40:29,394 --> 00:40:31,214 I guess we got to play nice now. 753 00:40:31,934 --> 00:40:36,084 Um, but in addition to that, This is all initiated through a totally 754 00:40:36,084 --> 00:40:39,844 new form of thought that is the self responsibility to think for yourself. 755 00:40:40,344 --> 00:40:44,624 And like that, that's causing for this extraordinary bloom that, you 756 00:40:44,624 --> 00:40:48,424 know, like I think Fiat Jaffe even said part of his inspiration for how 757 00:40:48,424 --> 00:40:53,004 he built Nostar was seeing how the Bitcoin network operated and getting 758 00:40:53,004 --> 00:40:57,104 that, having that core cryptographic protocol at its core was what allowed it. 759 00:40:57,789 --> 00:41:01,119 You know, and so for me, what cryptosovereignty is, it's about the 760 00:41:01,149 --> 00:41:07,329 artistry of utilizing cryptography in this way to create new systems that 761 00:41:07,329 --> 00:41:09,259 we can utilize for self empowerment. 762 00:41:09,749 --> 00:41:12,819 And Nostar is an excellent example of that, you know, Tor 763 00:41:12,819 --> 00:41:14,089 is a great example of that. 764 00:41:14,409 --> 00:41:18,499 But what I want to see is pretty much the entire internet get rebuilt on 765 00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:20,269 top of cryptographic protocols like 766 00:41:20,429 --> 00:41:20,679 this. 767 00:41:21,134 --> 00:41:22,524 It should have been there all along. 768 00:41:22,534 --> 00:41:25,514 That's, that's something we have to, we sort of have to rebuild it. 769 00:43:33,254 --> 00:43:37,144 Okay, so this actually gets into like a, like a question that we've been 770 00:43:37,154 --> 00:43:39,314 going at with, with a few people. 771 00:43:39,314 --> 00:43:40,064 The Noster stuff? 772 00:43:40,184 --> 00:43:41,074 The Noster stuff. 773 00:43:41,142 --> 00:43:44,232 I think to, to your point, I think there's, there is a, like a kind of a 774 00:43:44,232 --> 00:43:49,882 general, uh, idea here about kind of these protocols that are built on cryptography, 775 00:43:49,882 --> 00:43:51,822 but they're not built on Bitcoin, right? 776 00:43:52,242 --> 00:43:58,002 So, so it's Bitcoin adjacent Nostra in that it heavily endorses the use of. 777 00:43:58,322 --> 00:44:03,702 Bitcoin zaps and using your Bitcoin private key to generate your, your 778 00:44:04,622 --> 00:44:08,982 Noster profile and all this, but, but it's not built on Bitcoin. 779 00:44:08,992 --> 00:44:10,582 It's, it is a separate protocol. 780 00:44:11,622 --> 00:44:18,922 Like, what is the role of the cryptography part in this? 781 00:44:18,932 --> 00:44:22,392 Like, how important is that part where Bitcoin fixes the money, but 782 00:44:22,392 --> 00:44:27,152 the cryptography kind of can do other things that are not Bitcoin? 783 00:44:27,577 --> 00:44:31,047 Uh, and I, I would guess you don't have like a shitcoin y perspective 784 00:44:31,047 --> 00:44:32,607 on this in the, in the sense of that. 785 00:44:32,727 --> 00:44:33,527 No, and 786 00:44:33,527 --> 00:44:37,007 like, one of the things I, I think is really important about understanding 787 00:44:37,007 --> 00:44:41,547 shitcoin ery is, is I reject shitcoin ery because it does not elevate 788 00:44:41,547 --> 00:44:44,797 itself to the position that Satoshi Nakamoto presented Bitcoin on. 789 00:44:45,267 --> 00:44:46,517 Look, like, if... 790 00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:51,377 If Ben Armstrong wants to issue Bencoin, and he wants it to get to a market 791 00:44:51,377 --> 00:44:54,967 cap of 10 billion dollars, and he doesn't spend a single cent of that, 792 00:44:55,267 --> 00:44:59,337 and the state doesn't destroy him, and he distributes it, and he does this 793 00:44:59,367 --> 00:45:03,792 bootstrap from the very beginning, like, Maybe there actually is merit to 794 00:45:03,792 --> 00:45:07,272 that and maybe it should be successful, but he absolutely didn't do that. 795 00:45:07,312 --> 00:45:11,682 Every single shit coin project has been a cash grab for the founders. 796 00:45:12,122 --> 00:45:15,832 No one has tried to actually emulate what Satoshi Nakamoto did. 797 00:45:16,112 --> 00:45:20,182 And even if they did, like the best example I can think of is, uh, 798 00:45:20,222 --> 00:45:23,702 GrinCoin tried to do a fair launch, had an anonymous founder, all that. 799 00:45:23,952 --> 00:45:27,932 And even with that, all the VCs fucking piled in and they all spun up AWS 800 00:45:27,932 --> 00:45:29,912 servers and it was a total shit show. 801 00:45:30,482 --> 00:45:30,972 So I think. 802 00:45:31,182 --> 00:45:34,832 What Satoshi Nakamoto accomplished at this point in time is fundamentally 803 00:45:34,862 --> 00:45:38,992 unachievable by shitcoins because of how he presented it and what he did 804 00:45:39,002 --> 00:45:42,472 to it, but furthermore, to get back to your question about cryptography 805 00:45:42,472 --> 00:45:46,832 itself, to me, this is the absolute key of all things, because He was. 806 00:45:48,462 --> 00:45:52,642 What allows for us to understand the supply of Bitcoin is the 807 00:45:52,672 --> 00:45:54,642 cryptographic proofs that are provided. 808 00:45:55,062 --> 00:45:58,932 If we didn't have those cryptographic proofs, there would be no way 809 00:45:58,932 --> 00:46:00,562 to actually tell otherwise. 810 00:46:00,602 --> 00:46:04,072 And so to me, it's about a technique of presenting information 811 00:46:04,432 --> 00:46:07,612 and then proofing it in such a way to say, look at the truth. 812 00:46:07,952 --> 00:46:11,712 That I've actually implemented here, and so Nostra does the same thing 813 00:46:11,712 --> 00:46:13,822 with having a chain of information. 814 00:46:14,202 --> 00:46:18,762 And so I'm extremely excited about seeing this generalized technique 815 00:46:18,782 --> 00:46:20,232 get applied to other places. 816 00:46:20,262 --> 00:46:23,302 Because what, what happens when we get a protocol for. 817 00:46:24,057 --> 00:46:28,977 Say, self encrypted VoIP, where you get to own your own servers, you know that 818 00:46:28,987 --> 00:46:34,152 the connection is going to be end to end encrypted, and like, again, this 819 00:46:34,152 --> 00:46:37,112 is one of the extraordinary things that happened in the concourse of 820 00:46:37,112 --> 00:46:43,382 human history, is up until the Diffel Hyman paper in, I think 1976, A New 821 00:46:43,382 --> 00:46:47,622 Direction in Cryptography, there was a single direction in cryptography that 822 00:46:47,622 --> 00:46:49,882 none of this shit was even possible. 823 00:46:49,902 --> 00:46:51,462 It didn't even seem possible. 824 00:46:51,502 --> 00:46:55,202 It was, You And this is one of those funny things is that like, I think if you were 825 00:46:55,202 --> 00:46:59,252 to go back, you know, a century ago and to talk with philosophers and to say, 826 00:46:59,252 --> 00:47:02,682 hey, there's this like magical space that you can ride into and talk to anybody on 827 00:47:02,682 --> 00:47:07,012 the planet, and they would just be like, like, what the fuck are you talking about? 828 00:47:07,042 --> 00:47:08,342 Like, this couldn't happen. 829 00:47:08,342 --> 00:47:09,342 It doesn't make any sense. 830 00:47:09,372 --> 00:47:10,962 There's no even point of thinking about it. 831 00:47:11,112 --> 00:47:11,652 Okay. 832 00:47:11,822 --> 00:47:14,242 Uh, the problem I have with all of this. 833 00:47:15,272 --> 00:47:20,272 Cryptography talk is this, uh, yeah, which was the title of Gigi's talk. 834 00:47:20,332 --> 00:47:21,692 Cryptography is not enough. 835 00:47:21,872 --> 00:47:22,482 Yeah, exactly. 836 00:47:22,854 --> 00:47:27,094 the thing I, like, it's all just numbers. 837 00:47:27,554 --> 00:47:29,904 It's all just information at its core. 838 00:47:29,914 --> 00:47:33,094 Bitcoin is just a bunch of on and off switches in a, in 839 00:47:33,094 --> 00:47:37,789 a specific 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 1. 840 00:47:37,999 --> 00:47:38,539 That's all it is. 841 00:47:39,129 --> 00:47:41,509 Communication through numbers. 842 00:47:42,766 --> 00:47:47,486 So Satoshi found a way to, to do numbers and communication in such a way that we 843 00:47:47,486 --> 00:47:53,716 figured out how to bootstrap a system that was, uh, that created a number 844 00:47:53,726 --> 00:47:56,726 that was resistant to replicability. 845 00:47:57,566 --> 00:48:04,136 So any attempt at replicating that discovery to me is redundant at best 846 00:48:04,916 --> 00:48:07,346 and a cheap cash grab for the most. 847 00:48:07,826 --> 00:48:10,466 Part because people are stupid and they don't realize that 848 00:48:10,466 --> 00:48:12,746 you can't copy un copyableness. 849 00:48:14,056 --> 00:48:17,496 So, so that's why I don't really get how the, all the other stuff 850 00:48:17,516 --> 00:48:23,106 comes in because this system already exists and this number, the Satoshi 851 00:48:23,746 --> 00:48:27,676 represents that it represents something that can't be replicated. 852 00:48:27,916 --> 00:48:32,186 So any attempt that, I mean, end to end encryption is fine, but it's 853 00:48:32,206 --> 00:48:37,598 not more valuable than, you know, the value lies in you being able 854 00:48:37,598 --> 00:48:42,538 to send a message and making sure that no third party can see it. 855 00:48:43,218 --> 00:48:46,278 But that's sort of end of story. 856 00:48:47,007 --> 00:48:50,990 um, economic incentives for a social media platform, for 857 00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:53,460 instance, like the users may all. 858 00:48:53,860 --> 00:48:59,140 Own their data, quote unquote, but, but they're still subject to whoever 859 00:48:59,180 --> 00:49:04,439 runs the relay that knows the relay or whatever, or like, I somewhat suspect 860 00:49:04,479 --> 00:49:09,499 that the same thing that happened to, uh, you know, the email protocol at SMT. 861 00:49:11,094 --> 00:49:17,224 And, and whatnot, all the other internet protocols that had no, you know, Bitcoin 862 00:49:17,234 --> 00:49:21,514 in the base layer that the same type of centralization may play out on all these 863 00:49:21,514 --> 00:49:24,514 other attempts at making it decentralized. 864 00:49:24,814 --> 00:49:30,104 Because the word decentralized, it gets thrown around like it's a trivial thing, 865 00:49:30,714 --> 00:49:32,744 but you know, decentralization is. 866 00:49:33,669 --> 00:49:39,129 First of all, subjective, like, I view decentralization differently 867 00:49:39,129 --> 00:49:42,959 than any other person and like everything else, it's subjective. 868 00:49:43,659 --> 00:49:48,809 And to me, Bitcoin is sufficiently decentralized because I saw 869 00:49:48,809 --> 00:49:51,039 the Segwit2x hard fork fail. 870 00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:57,029 That's the point in time for me that made me believe in this thing robustly. 871 00:49:57,029 --> 00:49:59,309 Like, holy shit, the users really are in charge. 872 00:49:59,309 --> 00:50:00,399 It is unchangeable. 873 00:50:02,234 --> 00:50:06,434 None of the other things that are, you know, throwing this cryptography 874 00:50:06,434 --> 00:50:10,334 buzzwords around and the word decentralization around have ever shown 875 00:50:10,334 --> 00:50:14,134 me something even remotely akin to that. 876 00:50:14,134 --> 00:50:15,674 Or like, like the mm-hmm. 877 00:50:15,814 --> 00:50:17,944 , the rejection of the Seg two X artwork. 878 00:50:17,944 --> 00:50:21,794 We, we haven't seen that anywhere else, so I don't really see how, 879 00:50:22,874 --> 00:50:27,484 how North Noster, for instance, can, uh, achieve something like that. 880 00:50:27,554 --> 00:50:30,874 It, it might, but at this point we, we. 881 00:50:31,074 --> 00:50:34,054 We have no clue if it will do that or if it will just turn 882 00:50:34,054 --> 00:50:35,754 into this centralized nightmare. 883 00:50:36,104 --> 00:50:39,394 Like, well, and I, I think one for Nostra that's really important to 884 00:50:39,394 --> 00:50:43,634 keep that question sort of open ended because I think up until we feel certain 885 00:50:43,634 --> 00:50:46,054 about it actually being decentralized. 886 00:50:46,714 --> 00:50:48,904 That, uh, that is a true 887 00:50:48,904 --> 00:50:49,354 open ended question. 888 00:50:49,364 --> 00:50:53,494 And right now it's sort of a taboo subject in the Bitcoin community because like, 889 00:50:53,514 --> 00:50:58,054 Oh, we got this new decentralized thing and Jack Dorsey's on board and we need 890 00:50:58,054 --> 00:51:02,514 to promote this thing and, you know, leave all the other networks without even 891 00:51:02,524 --> 00:51:06,204 having, without knowing where it's going. 892 00:51:07,214 --> 00:51:07,654 Or if it 893 00:51:07,654 --> 00:51:08,254 even works. 894 00:51:08,464 --> 00:51:12,244 It's interesting they sort of tap onto this idea of taboo subjects. 895 00:51:12,854 --> 00:51:15,224 Because like another great one that I think is taboo is, uh... 896 00:51:15,729 --> 00:51:16,559 Like El Salvador. 897 00:51:16,569 --> 00:51:19,319 Like I'm very suspicious of El Salvador and what they're doing. 898 00:51:19,329 --> 00:51:21,019 And of course it's a government. 899 00:51:21,379 --> 00:51:21,729 Yeah. 900 00:51:21,729 --> 00:51:25,219 Well, and like the, the idea of what Chivo Wallet is, is like, I think that this is 901 00:51:25,219 --> 00:51:29,369 a really great way to backdoor Bitcoiners and be able to create surveillance on 902 00:51:29,369 --> 00:51:33,819 a generalized chain, which, you know, essentially you use Chivo Wallet to 903 00:51:33,819 --> 00:51:38,159 then pollute all of the outside users that then gives you, uh, you know, a 904 00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:40,389 tainted perspective that you can utilize. 905 00:51:41,356 --> 00:51:47,588 Okay, another thought about I think what most people misinterpret about 906 00:51:47,638 --> 00:51:52,408 AI, and this comes a lot from deep diving into praxeology, that what, 907 00:51:52,528 --> 00:51:56,098 the thing AI lacks is agency. 908 00:51:57,073 --> 00:52:01,103 So, we don't even know if we have free will or not, like, I love the Hitchens 909 00:52:01,133 --> 00:52:05,983 quote, like, of course I have free will, I have no choice but to have it, 910 00:52:06,273 --> 00:52:12,893 but it certainly seems like if you take praxeology for a true science, which I 911 00:52:12,903 --> 00:52:17,313 happen to do, like, I think it's a very good framework for understanding the 912 00:52:17,313 --> 00:52:19,723 world, then you see that deliberate... 913 00:52:20,293 --> 00:52:23,103 In order for an action to be deliberate, there needs to be a, 914 00:52:23,163 --> 00:52:30,263 uh, it needs to be preceded by a felt uneasiness on the thing acting. 915 00:52:30,773 --> 00:52:34,763 Like so, in order for you to act, you need to feel somewhat uneasy. 916 00:52:35,093 --> 00:52:38,833 You imagine a future where you do a thing and you get into a better state. 917 00:52:38,893 --> 00:52:40,753 Like that's It's the pursuit of my desire. 918 00:52:40,753 --> 00:52:40,823 Yeah. 919 00:52:41,593 --> 00:52:43,153 There was a pursuit of your means and ends. 920 00:52:43,203 --> 00:52:46,303 Like that's the basis of all action, deliberate action. 921 00:52:46,873 --> 00:52:48,543 And an AI. 922 00:52:48,983 --> 00:52:50,333 It's absolutely not that. 923 00:52:50,363 --> 00:52:51,533 It can never be the master. 924 00:52:51,533 --> 00:52:52,593 It can only be the slave. 925 00:52:52,603 --> 00:52:54,633 It can never make decisions on its own. 926 00:52:55,093 --> 00:52:57,603 And people fear this general AI. 927 00:52:57,633 --> 00:53:02,533 What they really mean when they say general purpose AI is an AI with agency. 928 00:53:02,593 --> 00:53:04,683 Basically Skynet, Terminators, or whatever. 929 00:53:04,703 --> 00:53:05,073 Yeah. 930 00:53:05,413 --> 00:53:06,433 Or the Matrix. 931 00:53:06,683 --> 00:53:07,358 Like that it... 932 00:53:07,498 --> 00:53:12,048 All of a sudden it's, uh, consciousness pops up in it, in this string of 933 00:53:12,228 --> 00:53:16,248 ones and zeros, and all of a sudden it can make decisions by itself. 934 00:53:16,708 --> 00:53:18,218 Like right now it's not doing that. 935 00:53:18,238 --> 00:53:23,148 It's making micro decisions about whatever you're prompted to do, but 936 00:53:23,148 --> 00:53:28,003 it's never acting out of Uh, because of a felt uneasiness, because it doesn't 937 00:53:28,003 --> 00:53:30,093 feel anything as far as we know anyway. 938 00:53:30,223 --> 00:53:30,573 Sure. 939 00:53:30,593 --> 00:53:35,393 And so, so I think that's what the fears about it are exaggerated 940 00:53:35,403 --> 00:53:36,953 because of exactly that. 941 00:53:37,053 --> 00:53:38,423 It doesn't have agency. 942 00:53:38,453 --> 00:53:40,113 It doesn't know what it wants. 943 00:53:40,423 --> 00:53:41,953 Like, it doesn't want anything. 944 00:53:42,033 --> 00:53:42,453 Well, to, 945 00:53:42,623 --> 00:53:47,338 to be fair, first of all, The, the people that are really worried 946 00:53:47,338 --> 00:53:50,508 about it, um, they're retarded. 947 00:53:52,248 --> 00:53:53,208 They're midwits. 948 00:53:53,258 --> 00:53:56,968 And, well, like, this is the same people who utilize the term hacker, 949 00:53:57,008 --> 00:54:01,158 who like, hacking is a magical way that you just get access to information, 950 00:54:01,168 --> 00:54:04,048 and they don't realize, no, it's like flawed security protocols. 951 00:54:04,098 --> 00:54:04,418 Yeah. 952 00:54:04,773 --> 00:54:08,223 And so to me, AI is like a meta tenche, you know, like it's a 953 00:54:08,223 --> 00:54:10,393 technique that we can apply stuff to. 954 00:54:10,423 --> 00:54:13,193 And it's really valuable because, you know, like if you need to build 955 00:54:13,193 --> 00:54:15,763 out a database from your coding, instead of doing that, you just go, 956 00:54:15,763 --> 00:54:17,993 yo, ChadGBT, like build my database. 957 00:54:18,003 --> 00:54:18,253 Yeah. 958 00:54:18,273 --> 00:54:18,953 Super valuable. 959 00:54:18,973 --> 00:54:19,393 Great. 960 00:54:20,353 --> 00:54:24,223 The big problem I think is that, again, with people are retarded, 961 00:54:24,273 --> 00:54:26,963 that there are people out there specifically in government who are 962 00:54:26,963 --> 00:54:31,793 like, Hey, like, let's plug this AI thing, like, into our surveillance 963 00:54:31,803 --> 00:54:36,133 system and, like, have it locate all the people that we think are bad. 964 00:54:36,543 --> 00:54:38,543 You know, I'm like, what's a, what's a bad person? 965 00:54:38,573 --> 00:54:40,503 Uh, like, somebody carrying a gun. 966 00:54:40,543 --> 00:54:42,653 Like, that's a bad per you know, I'm like Yeah, yeah, yeah. 967 00:54:42,703 --> 00:54:47,573 And so, like, I'm afraid that the general idiocy of people who don't understand 968 00:54:47,573 --> 00:54:51,473 technology, which, again, is the vast majority of government, are going to 969 00:54:51,483 --> 00:54:54,423 essentially implement these things with no idea about what they're doing. 970 00:54:54,793 --> 00:54:58,253 And, to be clear, We've already seen that happen in the United States, like, 971 00:54:59,333 --> 00:55:03,383 the, I, I forget, and I'm very sorry for this because this person needs to 972 00:55:03,393 --> 00:55:06,863 be honored and respected, the individual that recently leaked the data from the 973 00:55:06,863 --> 00:55:12,693 United States showing that 90 percent of the people that were fucking murdering 974 00:55:12,723 --> 00:55:15,853 with goddamn drone bombs, that AI. 975 00:55:19,383 --> 00:55:24,973 Like, literally people are being destroyed by a fucking machine saying, Yeah, I'm 976 00:55:24,973 --> 00:55:30,223 pretty sure that those brown people need to die because I'm 8 miles away, You 977 00:55:30,223 --> 00:55:33,243 know, 3, 000 or 30, 000 feet in the air. 978 00:55:34,013 --> 00:55:37,643 Like, that's a very special kind of insanity that's deeply worrying. 979 00:55:37,653 --> 00:55:42,243 And so, it's not AI at all, it's the fucking retards behind 980 00:55:42,243 --> 00:55:42,613 the AI. 981 00:55:42,753 --> 00:55:46,323 This, this reminds me so much of a particular scene from the 982 00:55:46,333 --> 00:55:50,513 Oppenheimer movie and it's where they pick the targets for the bombs. 983 00:55:50,833 --> 00:55:55,483 Like, so they're in this room and they're like, uh, how do we demonstrate how 984 00:55:55,533 --> 00:55:58,223 fantastic our wonderful new bomb is? 985 00:55:58,643 --> 00:56:01,223 And they're like, oh, we should choose a military target. 986 00:56:01,593 --> 00:56:03,723 Nah, but it needs to make bigger headlines. 987 00:56:03,743 --> 00:56:05,653 Let's use, oh, Hiroshima. 988 00:56:05,703 --> 00:56:06,503 That sounds nice. 989 00:56:06,503 --> 00:56:08,583 Like, and okay, Nagasaki as well. 990 00:56:08,603 --> 00:56:13,493 So like, and then boom, boom, 210, 000 people die from a 991 00:56:13,553 --> 00:56:15,603 split second decision like that. 992 00:56:15,683 --> 00:56:21,053 And I don't know how historically accurate that actually is, but still the. 993 00:56:21,168 --> 00:56:25,488 This is the problem of human incentives that needs to be solved. 994 00:56:25,488 --> 00:56:30,878 There needs to be a way to prevent some guy in a room from making a split second 995 00:56:30,878 --> 00:56:33,198 decision that kills 210, 000 people. 996 00:56:33,208 --> 00:56:33,448 Like, 997 00:56:33,468 --> 00:56:33,688 that's... 998 00:56:34,128 --> 00:56:38,008 I would like to point out before you go any further, the truth is actually much 999 00:56:38,018 --> 00:56:42,718 more horrific, because what happened was after the first bomb was dropped... 1000 00:56:42,788 --> 00:56:43,038 Yeah. 1001 00:56:43,703 --> 00:56:48,433 They were given a 48 hour window to give an absolute and unconditional surrender, 1002 00:56:48,643 --> 00:56:53,263 which the Japanese were more than happy to provide, and they tried to provide it. 1003 00:56:53,623 --> 00:56:56,483 We prevented them from providing it, and we dropped the second time. 1004 00:56:56,493 --> 00:56:57,003 Oh, yeah, yeah. 1005 00:56:57,203 --> 00:56:57,413 Oh. 1006 00:56:57,473 --> 00:57:00,423 You know, and to me, like, this represents the same horror and 1007 00:57:00,423 --> 00:57:01,963 catastrophe that We, as in? 1008 00:57:02,528 --> 00:57:05,908 Oh, yes, we, I should not identify, the government. 1009 00:57:05,978 --> 00:57:06,648 Those assholes. 1010 00:57:07,238 --> 00:57:10,888 And yeah, and this represents the same fucking insanity that was the armistice 1011 00:57:10,888 --> 00:57:14,308 at the end of World War I, where, and this is an extraordinary fact to 1012 00:57:14,308 --> 00:57:22,388 me, is that the final day of World War I, more men died on that day II. 1013 00:57:23,538 --> 00:57:25,008 And it was because these, these... 1014 00:57:25,553 --> 00:57:31,263 Absolute, despicable, disgusting parasites that call themselves humans in 1015 00:57:31,263 --> 00:57:35,413 government said, well, now that we have the armistice established at 11pm on 11. 1016 00:57:35,563 --> 00:57:40,493 11, let's do a full press assault and see how many of the other people 1017 00:57:40,493 --> 00:57:43,243 we can kill before the game is done. 1018 00:57:47,203 --> 00:57:49,933 This is a sort of madness that happens when we relegate the 1019 00:57:49,933 --> 00:57:53,293 responsibility to other individuals to make choices about life and death. 1020 00:57:53,323 --> 00:57:53,863 But to me, 1021 00:57:53,863 --> 00:57:59,533 this is the most important aspect of, of Bitcoin, uh, . Because what it 1022 00:57:59,743 --> 00:58:07,003 does, it, it re, the core invention is that it removes the, the hands 1023 00:58:07,008 --> 00:58:11,473 of these parasitic institutions to, to leech off the value of. 1024 00:58:11,788 --> 00:58:14,288 Other people transacting voluntarily with one another. 1025 00:58:14,298 --> 00:58:19,288 There's no way to, you know, shadowy tax people through inflation 1026 00:58:19,308 --> 00:58:22,388 when, when there's a, when people are transacting in Bitcoin. 1027 00:58:22,428 --> 00:58:25,678 There's no way for a third party to get any of that transaction. 1028 00:58:25,708 --> 00:58:30,448 Sure, you pay some fee to the miners, but that's, there's a free market for that. 1029 00:58:30,498 --> 00:58:37,698 Like there's no way to, to, for these assholes to, to extract value from others. 1030 00:58:37,923 --> 00:58:38,353 anymore. 1031 00:58:38,363 --> 00:58:42,343 And that's, that's the key thing because that's what kills the 1032 00:58:42,343 --> 00:58:45,413 ability for these people to sit in rooms and just pick targets at 1033 00:58:45,473 --> 00:58:45,933 random. 1034 00:58:46,173 --> 00:58:46,933 Absolutely. 1035 00:58:46,933 --> 00:58:48,983 And a lot of people don't understand that, like. 1036 00:58:49,788 --> 00:58:55,068 That function by itself collapses all world governments today. 1037 00:58:55,418 --> 00:59:00,248 The simple inability to be able to steal from people, that collapses 1038 00:59:00,318 --> 00:59:01,938 every single government today. 1039 00:59:02,548 --> 00:59:06,208 And to be clear, like, that doesn't just mean now we live in willy nilly 1040 00:59:06,208 --> 00:59:08,038 chaos and everybody murders everybody. 1041 00:59:08,518 --> 00:59:09,148 No. 1042 00:59:09,393 --> 00:59:14,653 Like, this is a process that we must go through to clear out the space to allow 1043 00:59:14,663 --> 00:59:19,023 for the potentiality of the next form of the political to present itself, which 1044 00:59:19,023 --> 00:59:23,743 I'm convinced the internet is going to play a major and pivotal role in 1045 00:59:23,743 --> 00:59:28,433 the next form of And I'm very pedantic about this idea of the political versus 1046 00:59:28,433 --> 00:59:34,313 politics, because to me, the political is about the radical potentiality that 1047 00:59:34,313 --> 00:59:39,378 people will always have to choose their forms of life versus their identities. 1048 00:59:39,768 --> 00:59:44,878 The contemporary parliamentary democratic forms that we're told 1049 00:59:44,878 --> 00:59:47,778 creates law and is politics. 1050 00:59:48,148 --> 00:59:51,968 And so to me, that's a very important distinction because today, there 1051 00:59:51,968 --> 00:59:56,068 is no people anywhere that have access to any form of the political. 1052 00:59:56,433 --> 00:59:59,653 Because we've all been forced to be subservient to politics. 1053 00:59:59,693 --> 00:59:59,943 Yeah. 1054 01:00:00,123 --> 01:00:04,303 And Bitcoin, to me, opens us up to the possibility of the political. 1055 01:00:05,233 --> 01:00:05,573 That's a 1056 01:00:05,623 --> 01:00:06,953 great way of framing it. 1057 01:00:07,053 --> 01:00:07,473 And, uh, 1058 01:00:07,503 --> 01:00:11,893 like, That's a concept from Carl Schmitt, the, uh, famous Nazi 1059 01:00:11,913 --> 01:00:13,883 jurist who I do a lot of work. 1060 01:00:14,233 --> 01:00:15,658 I, it, It's fucked up. 1061 01:00:15,668 --> 01:00:19,758 I do a lot of work with Nazi philosophers, not because I'm a Nazi, but because 1062 01:00:19,778 --> 01:00:23,878 I have a very, very strong critique of these philosophers, who are very 1063 01:00:23,878 --> 01:00:28,068 important, but because the way that liberal wokeism won't deal with them, 1064 01:00:28,398 --> 01:00:33,943 they avoid what they present entirely, and it's extremely destructive to philosophy. 1065 01:00:34,153 --> 01:00:38,673 Yeah, I think you just hit on something important, like, uh, the 1066 01:00:38,673 --> 01:00:42,203 idea of, I don't have this thought fully formed, it just came to me from 1067 01:00:42,203 --> 01:00:47,293 what you just said, but the idea that you can just, just memory hole ideas 1068 01:00:47,293 --> 01:00:51,463 because they're somehow associated with the wrong thing, like It's 1984. 1069 01:00:51,623 --> 01:00:55,343 Well, sure, like, say, like, uh, not a real example exactly, but if 1070 01:00:55,343 --> 01:00:57,413 someone, if someone says something, J. 1071 01:00:57,413 --> 01:00:57,563 K. 1072 01:00:57,563 --> 01:00:57,963 Rowling. 1073 01:00:58,103 --> 01:01:00,043 Okay, this, this I'll use as the example. 1074 01:01:00,053 --> 01:01:04,063 Like, there are, there is a serious group of people who, who will not 1075 01:01:04,073 --> 01:01:05,943 touch Harry Potter anything because J. 1076 01:01:05,943 --> 01:01:06,113 K. 1077 01:01:06,113 --> 01:01:08,013 Rowling has wrong think. 1078 01:01:08,693 --> 01:01:11,953 And, and like, this is one of the, the most popular, uh, book 1079 01:01:12,023 --> 01:01:14,283 franchises ever, basically. 1080 01:01:14,283 --> 01:01:16,743 And people liked it for certain reasons, right? 1081 01:01:16,923 --> 01:01:20,083 But because someone has a wrong opinion, they get completely memory holed. 1082 01:01:20,083 --> 01:01:24,188 And, and, uh, Uh, y yeah, pro . I won't mention these. 1083 01:01:24,218 --> 01:01:25,658 Well, I'm mentioning it explicitly. 1084 01:01:25,658 --> 01:01:30,328 Uh, JK Rowling is not a Nazi philosopher, so just to, just to throw that out there. 1085 01:01:30,538 --> 01:01:34,048 But, but the example is the, the memory holding of ideas 1086 01:01:34,048 --> 01:01:35,188 and then not dealing with it. 1087 01:01:35,188 --> 01:01:39,658 So, uh, I guess to come to an actual point here is like, how do 1088 01:01:39,658 --> 01:01:47,088 we deal with the type of culture that wants to erase ideas instead of 1089 01:01:47,088 --> 01:01:47,509 dealing with them? 1090 01:01:48,313 --> 01:01:50,603 Yes, just to emphasize on the J. 1091 01:01:50,603 --> 01:01:50,783 K. 1092 01:01:50,783 --> 01:01:57,303 Rowling thing before, before, because, like, before the answer, because these 1093 01:01:57,463 --> 01:02:02,703 young actors and actresses that shun her because she claimed that trans 1094 01:02:02,703 --> 01:02:07,543 men aren't, trans women aren't women or something, whatever she said, uh, 1095 01:02:08,683 --> 01:02:13,453 the only reason that they have a life at all is because of her works, like, 1096 01:02:13,843 --> 01:02:17,623 so imagine in the, what's the word? 1097 01:02:18,568 --> 01:02:23,768 It's so gross that people, people who are, talk about biting the hand that 1098 01:02:23,768 --> 01:02:28,228 feeds you for the wrong reason, like, they would be nothing without her. 1099 01:02:28,338 --> 01:02:31,648 Yeah, but like, so, so, that whole idea though, like, like, you look at these 1100 01:02:32,108 --> 01:02:36,483 philosophers, you, you, you, like, What, what even compelled you to do that? 1101 01:02:36,483 --> 01:02:41,013 And how do you think we, we combat the, the memory holing of 1102 01:02:41,013 --> 01:02:44,533 these, of, uh, of ideas that are associated with controversial 1103 01:02:44,533 --> 01:02:46,923 people or non controversial people? 1104 01:02:47,183 --> 01:02:49,253 I mean, one of the things that inspired it, first of all, like, 1105 01:02:49,303 --> 01:02:52,613 my whole philosophical pursuit is like my own leisure and pleasure. 1106 01:02:52,623 --> 01:02:57,283 So, like, I wasn't contained within an academic framework, framework that, 1107 01:02:57,773 --> 01:02:59,683 that, that usually deprives people of it. 1108 01:02:59,703 --> 01:03:03,168 So, like, uh, A philosopher that I deeply respect, Michael Millerman, 1109 01:03:03,178 --> 01:03:06,878 he, he was a doctor at the University of Montreal, I believe. 1110 01:03:07,318 --> 01:03:11,028 Like, he, he was blackballed and kicked out because he was studying 1111 01:03:11,058 --> 01:03:12,348 individuals like Heidegger. 1112 01:03:12,368 --> 01:03:14,988 And to be clear, like, Heidegger was a Nazi. 1113 01:03:15,248 --> 01:03:19,558 And I think his philosophy does fundamentally deal with ideas 1114 01:03:19,568 --> 01:03:23,868 in Nazism, because of how it presents an ethnos of peoples. 1115 01:03:24,468 --> 01:03:27,288 And I also think it's extremely important. 1116 01:03:27,758 --> 01:03:31,488 To be able to deeply read Heidegger and critique him, and I critique him 1117 01:03:31,488 --> 01:03:34,848 through one of his students, Levinas, and I think it's extremely important 1118 01:03:34,848 --> 01:03:38,348 because Levinas deals with all of the problems that Heidegger tries 1119 01:03:38,348 --> 01:03:42,798 to present, and then overcomes them through his presentation of the other. 1120 01:03:43,328 --> 01:03:46,888 But what's really important in regards to your term is, is that as much as 1121 01:03:46,888 --> 01:03:51,623 they want to memory hole stuff, You, frankly, you can always bring it back up. 1122 01:03:51,693 --> 01:03:56,543 And to me, the great example is, is that, uh, like, I, I have contentious 1123 01:03:56,543 --> 01:03:59,553 issues with my own family for a number of reasons, but one of the main ones 1124 01:03:59,553 --> 01:04:03,723 is, look, what happened in COVID was really, really destructive, and it 1125 01:04:03,723 --> 01:04:08,423 raised certain truths of that in the United States, vaccines are given a 1126 01:04:08,423 --> 01:04:12,603 very special treatment so that they don't have to go through the same 1127 01:04:12,683 --> 01:04:15,533 rigorous process of all other medicines. 1128 01:04:16,613 --> 01:04:21,833 And as much as these people yell and scream and freak out saying, no, it's 1129 01:04:21,913 --> 01:04:27,263 safe and effective, you can turn back and go, but, but we have the documentation 1130 01:04:27,263 --> 01:04:33,013 from 1985 when the vaccine acts passed that specifically say vaccines are 1131 01:04:33,103 --> 01:04:35,953 unavoidably dangerous or unavoidably 1132 01:04:35,983 --> 01:04:36,783 unsafe. 1133 01:04:37,003 --> 01:04:41,613 This is basically the RFK's, RFK's point that people, people listen to, like, 1134 01:04:41,613 --> 01:04:44,903 the, the things that he says and it's just, it's, oh, it's anti vax, but that 1135 01:04:44,903 --> 01:04:46,643 is specifically the key point, right? 1136 01:04:46,653 --> 01:04:48,843 That, that, that act enabled 1137 01:04:48,993 --> 01:04:49,763 all this. 1138 01:04:49,973 --> 01:04:50,443 Yeah. 1139 01:04:50,683 --> 01:04:57,223 And like, this is very, very, very important because as much as we engage in 1140 01:04:57,303 --> 01:05:03,958 the denial and the propaganda of saying safe and effective, Very real people 1141 01:05:03,958 --> 01:05:08,748 are getting hurt and dying because we're not actually looking at what's going on. 1142 01:05:09,418 --> 01:05:12,768 So, to answer your question, as much as stuff gets memory 1143 01:05:12,768 --> 01:05:13,838 hold, and like with the J. 1144 01:05:13,838 --> 01:05:14,028 K. 1145 01:05:14,028 --> 01:05:17,928 Rowling thing, like, Look, like, trans people with their individuality, how they 1146 01:05:17,928 --> 01:05:20,748 identify, how they present themselves in the world, I absolutely want to 1147 01:05:20,758 --> 01:05:22,908 honor and respect that for who they are. 1148 01:05:23,278 --> 01:05:27,488 But when you come to me and you insist that, you know, a man is a woman or 1149 01:05:27,488 --> 01:05:32,598 a woman is a man, that A is B or B is A, I have to stop and go, look, there 1150 01:05:32,908 --> 01:05:34,428 are some other things going on here. 1151 01:05:34,428 --> 01:05:37,858 That's part of a long and convoluted debate that I don't think you're available 1152 01:05:37,858 --> 01:05:41,588 for because you just want to shout me down in the same way that like, and this 1153 01:05:41,588 --> 01:05:45,088 is really important to me specifically around free speech and propaganda 1154 01:05:45,658 --> 01:05:47,588 is I want other people to be wrong. 1155 01:05:47,628 --> 01:05:50,768 It's really important for other people to be wrong or, or for them to 1156 01:05:50,768 --> 01:05:53,288 be right and for me to be wrong and them to present their perspectives. 1157 01:05:53,288 --> 01:05:57,008 Cause we need to have dialogue in the same way that look like. 1158 01:05:57,738 --> 01:06:01,568 I, I think Mein Kampf should be published, that National Socialists should be 1159 01:06:01,618 --> 01:06:05,498 public about what they believe in their stances, because I want people to 1160 01:06:05,498 --> 01:06:07,148 know, these people are fucking morons. 1161 01:06:07,948 --> 01:06:11,968 They're absolutely smooth brained idiots, and I want them 1162 01:06:11,968 --> 01:06:14,248 to present their philosophy... 1163 01:06:14,883 --> 01:06:17,863 So that you can go, oh wow, these guys are just actually racist 1164 01:06:17,923 --> 01:06:21,263 assholes who don't believe in the agency of other individuals. 1165 01:06:21,303 --> 01:06:23,373 Wow, what fucking shitty people, huh? 1166 01:06:25,023 --> 01:06:29,583 Well, whereas you censor them, they go, this Hitler guy, they won't, like, they 1167 01:06:29,583 --> 01:06:31,083 won't let anything about him be out. 1168 01:06:31,083 --> 01:06:34,423 Like, maybe he had something really important and powerful to say. 1169 01:06:34,783 --> 01:06:38,503 Maybe he was actually like a really smart and great guy, and they don't 1170 01:06:38,503 --> 01:06:42,343 even was backfires well, and they don't even see that they, they contribute and 1171 01:06:42,343 --> 01:06:45,643 feedback into that in a very powerful way. 1172 01:06:45,703 --> 01:06:45,943 Yeah. 1173 01:06:45,973 --> 01:06:49,003 That contributes much more so than I think, just letting him speak freely. 1174 01:06:49,123 --> 01:06:49,333 Did, 1175 01:06:49,513 --> 01:06:52,573 did you read a book by Rothbard called The Ethics of Liberty? 1176 01:06:53,453 --> 01:06:54,673 Yeah, it was a while ago. 1177 01:06:54,763 --> 01:06:59,933 Yeah, to me it was profound because it changed my views on freedom of speech. 1178 01:07:00,313 --> 01:07:06,183 Because he makes the case for, like, the question everyone, uh, forgets to ask 1179 01:07:06,183 --> 01:07:08,273 themselves is freedom of speech where? 1180 01:07:09,013 --> 01:07:14,643 And if in a libertarian society where everyone, where there's absolute property 1181 01:07:14,643 --> 01:07:17,493 rights, you as the property owner get... 1182 01:07:17,778 --> 01:07:22,148 to set the rules of whatever anyone gets to say or not say on your property. 1183 01:07:22,438 --> 01:07:27,408 So there's no public space and therefore, I mean, each individual 1184 01:07:27,438 --> 01:07:33,088 owning whatever platform, like, gets, gets to set the rules on that platform. 1185 01:07:33,568 --> 01:07:38,513 And I, I think this, this Misinterpretation of freedom of 1186 01:07:38,513 --> 01:07:42,073 speech and what it is like, because freedom of speech laws are only 1187 01:07:42,073 --> 01:07:45,133 necessary when there's public property. 1188 01:07:46,193 --> 01:07:53,198 So, so they need to be preceded by theft and, uh, um, It reminds me 1189 01:07:53,198 --> 01:07:57,058 of the, I don't know if you heard about the Koran burnings in Sweden. 1190 01:07:57,468 --> 01:07:58,948 Yeah, I have big awareness. 1191 01:07:58,958 --> 01:08:03,338 So, so the whole Arab world is, or I shouldn't say the whole Arab world, 1192 01:08:03,418 --> 01:08:08,658 but the Muslim world, or the Islamist world, or whatever, they're pissed 1193 01:08:08,698 --> 01:08:12,288 at the Swedes now because there have been some public Koran burnings. 1194 01:08:13,448 --> 01:08:17,688 And there's a lot of bad things happening because of this, but, but the thing 1195 01:08:17,688 --> 01:08:23,153 is, and the thing is, That, in order to protect free speech, the Swedish 1196 01:08:23,153 --> 01:08:28,223 government need to employ a lot of police officers to, to guard these people who 1197 01:08:28,223 --> 01:08:30,913 want to, to burn the Quran publicly. 1198 01:08:31,803 --> 01:08:34,013 And the media reports about it all the time. 1199 01:08:34,063 --> 01:08:38,123 And there's debate about whether to change the free speech laws and blah, blah, blah. 1200 01:08:38,153 --> 01:08:42,123 And the government always apologizes to the Arab nations afterwards and like, 1201 01:08:42,123 --> 01:08:44,343 oh, sorry, but we need to do this here. 1202 01:08:46,078 --> 01:08:51,118 The thing is, if there was no police protecting them, if a guy was just, I 1203 01:08:51,178 --> 01:08:55,258 mean, I could go out and burn a Koran on the street here and no one would care. 1204 01:08:56,228 --> 01:09:02,718 Like, so the attention this thing gets, that is the problem, not the actual act. 1205 01:09:02,728 --> 01:09:06,608 It's just that all of these arbitrary things. 1206 01:09:07,343 --> 01:09:12,383 Become important because the, the, the media machine and the, the, the government 1207 01:09:12,403 --> 01:09:14,903 machine around it fuels the fire. 1208 01:09:15,443 --> 01:09:16,973 And that's the real problem. 1209 01:09:16,973 --> 01:09:20,163 It's not the, it's not the act and it's not even the people 1210 01:09:20,163 --> 01:09:21,483 getting pissed at the act. 1211 01:09:21,903 --> 01:09:26,153 It's, uh, well, then again, the real violence is from the people 1212 01:09:26,153 --> 01:09:27,833 wanting to actually kill people. 1213 01:09:27,833 --> 01:09:32,603 If you buy a Quran and burn it, it's your property, your perfectly natural 1214 01:09:32,603 --> 01:09:34,153 law tells you, you can't do that. 1215 01:09:34,763 --> 01:09:37,373 This is the whole point of the media, in my opinion, is that. 1216 01:09:37,638 --> 01:09:43,028 When you make these things into extreme things, you pump the emotions to make 1217 01:09:43,028 --> 01:09:46,668 people get upset and dramatic, you've now prevented all dialogue, you know? 1218 01:09:46,668 --> 01:09:49,768 And so like, I actually think from crown burning, if people weren't 1219 01:09:49,768 --> 01:09:51,958 showing up all pissed off wanting to hurt each other and be like, why the 1220 01:09:51,958 --> 01:09:53,528 fuck are you burning my holy book? 1221 01:09:53,938 --> 01:09:57,508 Maybe there could actually be a really deep and constructive conversation. 1222 01:09:57,938 --> 01:10:00,958 And I can't help but think like, this is the same debate that's going on in 1223 01:10:00,958 --> 01:10:02,618 the United States around trans stuff. 1224 01:10:02,658 --> 01:10:05,398 Like I said before, honor and respect these people for their... 1225 01:10:05,608 --> 01:10:08,928 There's a very complicated dialogue here that I think is really important to talk 1226 01:10:08,938 --> 01:10:12,988 about family values in the United States, what we want to represent, and what does 1227 01:10:12,988 --> 01:10:18,438 it mean that we want to have, present a culture like this, and more importantly, 1228 01:10:18,498 --> 01:10:22,368 and I think this is one that doesn't get touched on a lot, is that one of the 1229 01:10:22,368 --> 01:10:26,218 most important things to me about women is their child rearing ability and the 1230 01:10:26,218 --> 01:10:27,858 ability for us to make a family together. 1231 01:10:27,908 --> 01:10:28,158 Yeah. 1232 01:10:28,248 --> 01:10:32,388 Like, a trans woman fundamentally doesn't have that capacity. 1233 01:10:33,038 --> 01:10:34,618 And there's probably a lot of people that would want to say 1234 01:10:34,618 --> 01:10:35,678 really hateful things to me. 1235 01:10:35,688 --> 01:10:38,938 And again, like, I don't want to take away from their ability to identify 1236 01:10:38,938 --> 01:10:43,308 how they want, but no, it, it seems a little disingenuous to me to have this 1237 01:10:43,308 --> 01:10:47,048 whole dialogue about, you know, trans women are women, but we don't have to 1238 01:10:47,048 --> 01:10:48,918 worry about child rearing in any way. 1239 01:10:48,968 --> 01:10:53,983 And that also like, it sets up like a pretty dystopian worldview of like, Let's 1240 01:10:53,983 --> 01:10:57,073 accept what you're saying is totally true that, you know, like I can be 1241 01:10:57,073 --> 01:10:59,533 Erika and, you know, you can be Kanuta. 1242 01:10:59,593 --> 01:11:01,313 Why do you want to be Loretta, Stan? 1243 01:11:01,323 --> 01:11:01,893 Well, and 1244 01:11:03,253 --> 01:11:03,323 look like I... 1245 01:11:03,993 --> 01:11:06,233 However you want to live and choose to live, that's great. 1246 01:11:06,253 --> 01:11:09,523 But like, there's this whole other problem that gets presented 1247 01:11:09,693 --> 01:11:13,543 because we're trying to act like what the media has given us is the 1248 01:11:13,553 --> 01:11:13,623 truth. 1249 01:11:13,623 --> 01:11:17,353 And it's sort of like a pendulum thing because like all of 1250 01:11:17,353 --> 01:11:19,263 these fights for, for, for... 1251 01:11:20,523 --> 01:11:25,813 Certain group rights, they come from these groups being very mistreated in the past. 1252 01:11:26,133 --> 01:11:30,933 So they come from a, so they're trying to replace one system of 1253 01:11:32,913 --> 01:11:33,783 authoritarianism with another. 1254 01:11:33,783 --> 01:11:38,253 So if you, if you think deeply about all of these issues, it all boils down 1255 01:11:38,253 --> 01:11:40,043 to individualism and property rights. 1256 01:11:40,083 --> 01:11:42,363 That's, that's the only solution to all of it. 1257 01:12:43,596 --> 01:12:47,516 yeah, I want to take this back, like, uh, just to the general 1258 01:12:47,526 --> 01:12:50,516 level a little bit, the, the, the. 1259 01:12:51,651 --> 01:12:56,861 I've been playing around with an idea that this, this, the entire denial of 1260 01:12:56,891 --> 01:13:05,551 a biological reality comes from that society has abandoned individuals from 1261 01:13:05,551 --> 01:13:11,886 being able to be comfortable and safe in their identity, and the reason that this 1262 01:13:12,796 --> 01:13:18,846 That I dig into this area is that I, I think we've understood this as a society. 1263 01:13:18,846 --> 01:13:20,616 This is important to avoid. 1264 01:13:21,086 --> 01:13:25,906 So there's a, there's a Finnish poem, Valla, it's, it's, 1265 01:13:25,911 --> 01:13:27,676 it's the Finnish epic poem. 1266 01:13:28,086 --> 01:13:30,576 And it, it's, it's an oral tradition thing. 1267 01:13:30,581 --> 01:13:33,486 It was largely untouched by Christianity. 1268 01:13:33,486 --> 01:13:37,236 Other things like this compiled in the, uh, the 18 hundreds. 1269 01:13:37,686 --> 01:13:41,556 So, so this is, this is something that came from a long, long time ago. 1270 01:13:41,711 --> 01:13:45,351 And there's, there's a whole cycle of how the, the symbol of 1271 01:13:45,451 --> 01:13:50,271 society, uh, a guy named Väinämöinen and it is this magical wizard, 1272 01:13:50,271 --> 01:13:52,371 Väinämöinen, Väinämöinen, 1273 01:13:52,371 --> 01:13:52,511 Väinämöinen. 1274 01:13:52,511 --> 01:13:52,691 Yes. 1275 01:13:53,791 --> 01:13:56,761 But he's the, he's the embodiment of, of society essentially. 1276 01:13:56,791 --> 01:14:01,811 And, and he is supposed to take, uh, for, for, uh, a wife, 1277 01:14:02,241 --> 01:14:05,121 the, the, the maiden Einel. 1278 01:14:05,131 --> 01:14:05,911 Her name is Einel. 1279 01:14:06,701 --> 01:14:09,001 The poem is called the fate of Einel in English. 1280 01:14:09,591 --> 01:14:11,571 But the idea is that, that. 1281 01:14:11,851 --> 01:14:17,011 The society put an overbearingness on the, the ability of the, the young 1282 01:14:17,021 --> 01:14:21,891 woman to come into her identity and so she drowns herself in a lake. 1283 01:14:22,811 --> 01:14:27,331 Drowning in a, in a woman drowning herself in a lake is, well, literally quite bad, 1284 01:14:27,341 --> 01:14:32,241 but symbolically it's, it's the, the feminine drowning itself in nothingness, 1285 01:14:32,261 --> 01:14:33,741 putting itself into emptiness. 1286 01:14:33,801 --> 01:14:39,841 Like, uh, a girl chopping off her, her tits, complete denial 1287 01:14:39,871 --> 01:14:42,531 of, of biological reality. 1288 01:14:42,531 --> 01:14:42,641 It's. 1289 01:14:43,481 --> 01:14:47,931 The, the, the thing that these stories I see is actually kind of pointing to 1290 01:14:47,931 --> 01:14:54,471 is that society is rotten and society is, is making these things happen, uh, 1291 01:14:54,681 --> 01:14:57,761 because, because everything is wrong. 1292 01:14:57,851 --> 01:15:01,321 Everything is, uh, bad incentives. 1293 01:15:01,321 --> 01:15:04,151 Individuals can't live within themselves. 1294 01:15:04,771 --> 01:15:07,371 So that's, yeah, it's, it's like another one of my... 1295 01:15:07,631 --> 01:15:08,031 Back to 1296 01:15:08,061 --> 01:15:08,781 optimism. 1297 01:15:09,951 --> 01:15:10,161 Well, 1298 01:15:10,181 --> 01:15:12,081 well, Eric, what do you think of that? 1299 01:15:12,494 --> 01:15:16,914 This is such a complicated topic, and I think that the media has made it 1300 01:15:17,014 --> 01:15:21,484 so reductivist that it becomes very difficult to have real dialogue about. 1301 01:15:21,614 --> 01:15:27,624 And so, like, one of my main struggles is that, and I read this from Ambigan, 1302 01:15:27,634 --> 01:15:34,489 is that, uh, I'm so deeply suspicious of that part of what these ideas 1303 01:15:34,489 --> 01:15:40,979 are is about trying to create, uh, this, like, false idea of individual 1304 01:15:40,979 --> 01:15:46,789 empowerment to actually strip them of any other form of empowerment that 1305 01:15:46,799 --> 01:15:49,029 exists in a deeper societal level. 1306 01:15:49,539 --> 01:15:54,029 And so, like, I think, uh, because, like, one of the phenomenon, 1307 01:15:54,089 --> 01:15:56,714 like, specifically around this biological and trans thing is... 1308 01:15:56,924 --> 01:16:00,294 Why does it seem that there's so many more male to female trans 1309 01:16:00,314 --> 01:16:02,774 people than, than male to female? 1310 01:16:02,804 --> 01:16:08,414 In addition to the male to female, or, I'm, I'm sorry, the, the female to male, 1311 01:16:08,444 --> 01:16:13,474 sorry, the, that, that identity, it, it's not as hypervigilant or heard about. 1312 01:16:13,514 --> 01:16:16,994 And what I think is so interesting is cause like, like the frank truth 1313 01:16:16,994 --> 01:16:20,704 is, is like, look, if, if a male to female trans person wants to come 1314 01:16:20,704 --> 01:16:24,434 and compete with me in almost any competition, like, I'm probably gonna 1315 01:16:24,434 --> 01:16:26,214 win, and it's gonna be kinda funny. 1316 01:16:26,629 --> 01:16:31,249 Uh, and like, not to be an asshole, but because like, if I am, like if 1317 01:16:31,249 --> 01:16:34,889 you're matching me up with somebody who is my same weight category but can't 1318 01:16:34,899 --> 01:16:38,749 hold the same muscle mass, like, yeah, I'm, I'm probably gonna dominate them. 1319 01:16:39,659 --> 01:16:44,239 But then there's this other weird part with, uh, the male to female trans 1320 01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:47,699 population that presenting themselves as a woman, and this is what Ambigan was 1321 01:16:47,699 --> 01:16:54,189 pointing out, is that It seems to align with consumer capitalist culture almost 1322 01:16:54,189 --> 01:17:01,229 perfectly, and I'm very, very suspicious of that because why is it that you, as 1323 01:17:01,229 --> 01:17:07,639 a woman, have the full presentation of a very feminine, sexualized woman, um, 1324 01:17:08,244 --> 01:17:13,514 But you don't have the child rearing capacities, or the presentation around 1325 01:17:13,514 --> 01:17:18,424 that, or around, uh, like, aged womanhood, or, like, it all seems to be a deeply 1326 01:17:18,474 --> 01:17:24,774 sexualized thing, and it, and it just leaves me questioning, in a lot of ways, 1327 01:17:24,774 --> 01:17:28,754 like, I actually find, like, it, it's the most sexist thing that can be presented, 1328 01:17:28,984 --> 01:17:33,684 because, like, the identity that you have as a woman is as a sexual object, 1329 01:17:33,684 --> 01:17:37,214 and not as a child rearer, and I, like, look, I want to respect, too, that, like, 1330 01:17:37,549 --> 01:17:41,609 Saying a woman is only a child rearer is also extremely sexist and that there's 1331 01:17:41,619 --> 01:17:43,899 a balance in between the two, but you 1332 01:17:43,969 --> 01:17:45,379 can't really have one without the other. 1333 01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:45,639 Well, 1334 01:17:45,639 --> 01:17:50,079 yeah, but, but what's so interesting is that the extreme viewpoints are 1335 01:17:50,089 --> 01:17:53,019 both very sexist in that, like a woman is a child rearer needs to 1336 01:17:53,029 --> 01:17:54,419 stay in the home, sexist as hell. 1337 01:17:54,659 --> 01:17:57,509 A woman is like a sexual fuck object that should only be used 1338 01:17:57,679 --> 01:17:59,809 for sex, totally sexist as well. 1339 01:18:00,419 --> 01:18:03,899 And I think that it's all of the in between, it's the nuance 1340 01:18:03,939 --> 01:18:07,139 and the complications of having dialogues like this that. 1341 01:18:07,509 --> 01:18:11,059 In my opinion, traditional media absolutely does not want to 1342 01:18:11,069 --> 01:18:12,269 have more than anything else. 1343 01:18:12,279 --> 01:18:14,559 It's very important to make these very contentious... 1344 01:18:15,304 --> 01:18:20,964 Angry, emotional debates that can't reach thoughtful conclusions where we can say, 1345 01:18:20,964 --> 01:18:24,764 Hey, maybe we don't see eye to eye on this, but maybe we can have dialogue. 1346 01:18:25,024 --> 01:18:29,304 And to me, like, that's the most important and critical thing that we 1347 01:18:29,304 --> 01:18:33,714 need to return to that I think returning all the way back to Bitcoin we're doing 1348 01:18:33,734 --> 01:18:37,714 is that we're having open dialogue because there aren't guardrails for us. 1349 01:18:37,754 --> 01:18:41,944 We need to include everything and have all of the debates possible because. 1350 01:18:42,424 --> 01:18:46,374 We just don't know what the real answers are, but, and this is a very 1351 01:18:46,374 --> 01:18:52,584 important but, I know through the true process of dialogue, of us working 1352 01:18:52,584 --> 01:18:56,904 together through dialogue to try to figure out what that truth is in 1353 01:18:56,904 --> 01:18:59,134 between us, that's how we can find it. 1354 01:18:59,264 --> 01:18:59,464 Yeah, 1355 01:18:59,684 --> 01:19:03,784 and there's no other way, because if we remove violence from the equation 1356 01:19:03,784 --> 01:19:07,504 entirely, which is sort of what Bitcoin does, there's only dialogue left. 1357 01:19:07,649 --> 01:19:12,679 Like, uh, humans have two ways of resolving conflict, speech and violence. 1358 01:19:13,429 --> 01:19:14,399 That's what it boils down 1359 01:19:14,399 --> 01:19:14,619 to. 1360 01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:19,449 And it's so important to know and understand that the very act of trying to 1361 01:19:19,449 --> 01:19:24,709 engage in speech helps negate the violence that is there otherwise, because we're 1362 01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:26,909 saying, I don't want to engage in that. 1363 01:19:27,609 --> 01:19:30,859 I sincerely want to know and understand and talk to you. 1364 01:19:31,454 --> 01:19:33,844 And I think that's so important, particularly with where we're at in 1365 01:19:33,844 --> 01:19:38,104 our media, because our media is deeply uninterested in having conversation. 1366 01:19:38,114 --> 01:19:40,504 It's very interested in offering vitriol. 1367 01:19:40,794 --> 01:19:41,174 Yeah, 1368 01:19:41,334 --> 01:19:44,664 it wants clicks and likes and retweets and stuff. 1369 01:19:44,714 --> 01:19:44,934 Yeah, 1370 01:19:44,934 --> 01:19:51,094 and it turns out when you say hateful, radicalizing, and absolute dialogue, 1371 01:19:51,094 --> 01:19:52,824 that that drives a lot of clicks. 1372 01:19:53,204 --> 01:19:58,159 And this is in a large part One of the greater problems that are going on is 1373 01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:04,309 because it's reduced our time preference to such a short window that literal 1374 01:20:04,319 --> 01:20:09,909 journalists are now just media mouthpieces that, that fundamentally don't even 1375 01:20:09,929 --> 01:20:14,309 understand what journalism is, you know, and this is part of the destruction 1376 01:20:14,429 --> 01:20:15,979 of society on a whole right now. 1377 01:20:15,979 --> 01:20:16,849 That's really sad. 1378 01:20:16,969 --> 01:20:17,239 Yeah. 1379 01:20:17,319 --> 01:20:17,539 Did 1380 01:20:17,539 --> 01:20:19,269 you hear about the Chess Association? 1381 01:20:19,309 --> 01:20:22,099 I don't know what the name of the organization, but there's 1382 01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:23,754 some international chess club. 1383 01:20:25,494 --> 01:20:33,124 Association or organization that have, uh, uh, they're now preventing trans, 1384 01:20:33,564 --> 01:20:34,994 uh, females from competing the chess 1385 01:20:39,364 --> 01:20:40,114 championships. 1386 01:20:40,364 --> 01:20:40,944 Oh, yeah. 1387 01:20:40,974 --> 01:20:45,254 So it's okay for Leah Thomas to win a swimming competition and her shoulders 1388 01:20:45,294 --> 01:20:49,934 are like twice as wide as the, the girl, the poor girl who got the 1389 01:20:49,944 --> 01:20:52,534 silver medal, but in chess it's okay. 1390 01:20:52,834 --> 01:20:53,374 But in chess. 1391 01:20:53,524 --> 01:20:53,554 Yes. 1392 01:20:53,674 --> 01:20:54,674 They can't compete. 1393 01:20:54,734 --> 01:21:00,154 Like, that is so ironic and so awful and so funny at the 1394 01:21:00,164 --> 01:21:01,664 same time on so many levels. 1395 01:21:01,674 --> 01:21:03,394 So like, I, I don't really know how to. 1396 01:21:04,004 --> 01:21:04,314 Yeah. 1397 01:21:04,344 --> 01:21:04,734 Well, I, 1398 01:21:04,734 --> 01:21:08,974 I think the concept of, of a separate women's division in chess is super sexist. 1399 01:21:09,114 --> 01:21:09,434 Yeah. 1400 01:21:09,564 --> 01:21:09,754 Yeah. 1401 01:21:10,344 --> 01:21:14,164 And then, well, the only reason it exists, basically, is, is that there, 1402 01:21:14,244 --> 01:21:20,254 that there aren't any women who have climbed the ranks, uh, to, to compete 1403 01:21:20,314 --> 01:21:25,094 with the, the guys, basically, because there's, there's been a couple of female 1404 01:21:25,104 --> 01:21:29,764 chess super grandmasters that have come into basically the top 10 of the world, 1405 01:21:29,784 --> 01:21:34,389 and, and, and one of them was raised as a chess prodigy from, um, Her very 1406 01:21:34,389 --> 01:21:39,809 beginning, Judith Polgar, and, and, and she, she was in the running for 1407 01:21:39,809 --> 01:21:42,669 one of the world championships like 10, 15 years ago, something like that. 1408 01:21:43,409 --> 01:21:46,039 But there aren't, there are hardly any other women who do that. 1409 01:21:46,039 --> 01:21:47,009 So it's like, and you can 1410 01:21:47,009 --> 01:21:50,229 have whatever theory you want on why that is the case. 1411 01:21:50,869 --> 01:21:55,199 But, but it's still, it's a game where nerdiness 1412 01:21:59,159 --> 01:22:01,669 and time in the game plays a big part. 1413 01:22:01,669 --> 01:22:01,929 Yeah, yeah. 1414 01:22:01,979 --> 01:22:03,259 But regardless, if you. 1415 01:22:04,839 --> 01:22:09,299 Uh, if you think that there are differences, inherent differences 1416 01:22:09,299 --> 01:22:16,049 between male and female brains or not, uh, why are there different categories? 1417 01:22:16,049 --> 01:22:19,379 Like why is that , why is that a thing at all? 1418 01:22:19,899 --> 01:22:20,379 You know, 1419 01:22:20,379 --> 01:22:24,759 like I, and like this is one of the, the great problems that I think have 1420 01:22:24,759 --> 01:22:28,869 been presented is that through this homogenizing of all people and saying that 1421 01:22:29,019 --> 01:22:31,389 a man is a woman like Blackbody, yeah. 1422 01:22:31,389 --> 01:22:33,999 Everybody's equal no matter what at any point in time. 1423 01:22:34,654 --> 01:22:39,274 Uh, like, it, it, and like, this is the same thing that's going on in the United 1424 01:22:39,304 --> 01:22:44,504 States, you know, with ideas like, uh, reparations payments towards people 1425 01:22:44,504 --> 01:22:45,864 that are former slaves or whatever. 1426 01:22:45,964 --> 01:22:48,064 First of all, like, there is no one in the United States 1427 01:22:48,064 --> 01:22:49,374 today that is a former slave. 1428 01:22:49,374 --> 01:22:50,184 That's really important. 1429 01:22:50,194 --> 01:22:51,294 No, they're a current slave. 1430 01:22:51,544 --> 01:22:53,614 Well, we're all current tax slaves. 1431 01:22:54,134 --> 01:22:58,244 But, uh, It ends up going to these places that, despite the fact that it 1432 01:22:58,254 --> 01:23:01,894 doesn't want to be racist or sexist, it becomes, like, the most racist 1433 01:23:01,894 --> 01:23:03,814 and the most sexist possible thing. 1434 01:23:03,874 --> 01:23:04,214 Yeah. 1435 01:23:04,274 --> 01:23:08,104 And it's really funny because, uh, this is something that my ex actually pointed 1436 01:23:08,104 --> 01:23:13,174 out to, was that, like, in her opinion, and I hope I don't get flamed too much for 1437 01:23:13,174 --> 01:23:19,634 this, in her opinion, like, Trans women are like the most sexist presentation of 1438 01:23:19,634 --> 01:23:25,174 women, cause like, you have a biological man telling women, insisting to women 1439 01:23:25,184 --> 01:23:30,084 that they are a woman, and if you deny that they are a woman, that person 1440 01:23:30,104 --> 01:23:36,309 actually is sexist, and then furthermore You're having men come into women's 1441 01:23:36,309 --> 01:23:40,239 competitions, beating the shit out of them in it, and saying you need to respect 1442 01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:42,469 and honor that because I'm also a woman? 1443 01:23:42,849 --> 01:23:45,279 And again, like, to me, this is a leg too far. 1444 01:23:45,529 --> 01:23:48,229 We can say, hey, if you want to have your own category, however you want to 1445 01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:53,319 identify, but you trying to take away the actual differences between us as 1446 01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:58,194 people, and furthermore You just not actually respecting enough in a way to 1447 01:23:58,204 --> 01:24:04,264 say, Hey, maybe, well, and the thing that I find the most interesting is that, I 1448 01:24:04,264 --> 01:24:07,414 don't want to go into this cause it's a slippery slope, like dangerous territory. 1449 01:24:07,434 --> 01:24:07,824 Okay. 1450 01:24:07,824 --> 01:24:10,034 So to me, it's, it's easy. 1451 01:24:10,104 --> 01:24:13,974 Like anything with the word anti in front of it is that thing. 1452 01:24:14,174 --> 01:24:16,264 So an anti racist is a racist. 1453 01:24:16,684 --> 01:24:18,864 An anti fascist is a fascist. 1454 01:24:19,074 --> 01:24:23,134 If you're just a non racist or non fascist, that solves the problem. 1455 01:24:23,144 --> 01:24:24,034 Like don't. 1456 01:24:24,524 --> 01:24:28,434 Don't put people into group categories and you're, you're fine. 1457 01:24:29,294 --> 01:24:33,454 You're not, you don't fall into any of these categories. 1458 01:24:34,204 --> 01:24:39,044 An anti sexist is also a sexist, like a non sexist is a non sexist. 1459 01:24:39,084 --> 01:24:40,654 So an anti trans is trans? 1460 01:24:42,819 --> 01:24:46,529 Maybe, I mean, like, maybe that's why they're so inflamed about it is because 1461 01:24:46,539 --> 01:24:48,849 maybe they really identify that way. 1462 01:24:49,309 --> 01:24:53,829 But back to individualism again, like the, the, the smallest 1463 01:24:53,859 --> 01:24:55,909 minority group is always the person. 1464 01:24:56,229 --> 01:25:00,839 So respect people like for what they are, individuals for what they are, 1465 01:25:01,149 --> 01:25:02,839 they are not their group belonging. 1466 01:25:03,209 --> 01:25:06,109 They are not their, they're not their passport, they're not 1467 01:25:06,109 --> 01:25:08,879 their skin color, they're not their sex, they're not their... 1468 01:25:09,074 --> 01:25:09,654 Gender. 1469 01:25:10,724 --> 01:25:11,004 Absolutely. 1470 01:25:11,024 --> 01:25:13,484 Like, they're not their fucking football team, they're a 1471 01:25:13,484 --> 01:25:14,054 person. 1472 01:25:14,384 --> 01:25:17,294 And like, one of the interesting places to extend this to is like, there's 1473 01:25:17,294 --> 01:25:21,804 totally intersexed and intergendered people that have two Xs and a Y, or 1474 01:25:21,804 --> 01:25:25,974 two Ys and, you know, however, and it's important, again, we want to have space 1475 01:25:25,974 --> 01:25:30,694 for them, but I think one of the main problems that we've gotten to is that... 1476 01:25:31,489 --> 01:25:34,909 Like you were saying, you know, by being anti racist we start to become racist, by 1477 01:25:34,909 --> 01:25:42,329 being, you know, pro trans or anti bis, that it escalates to the forefront of the 1478 01:25:42,339 --> 01:25:47,569 dialogue, that feature, which then almost becomes a sort of inescapability, instead 1479 01:25:47,569 --> 01:25:52,009 of just saying, hey, you're Jenny, like, okay, you used to be Jeff, whatever, like, 1480 01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:56,729 that's cool, like, you know, we can still have a great debate and dialogue, uh, 1481 01:25:56,769 --> 01:25:59,909 and, and like, I think the biggest one is, is why do we have to lead with that? 1482 01:25:59,989 --> 01:26:01,949 You know, like, why, why do, why do we have to Why do I have to, 1483 01:26:01,949 --> 01:26:03,849 you know, like, you don't see me coming in the conversation being 1484 01:26:03,849 --> 01:26:05,409 like, hello, I'm Eric, a white male. 1485 01:26:05,419 --> 01:26:06,229 How are you today? 1486 01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:08,179 You know, and like, people would be like, well, that's because 1487 01:26:08,179 --> 01:26:12,099 you've always maintained the patriarchal position of white power. 1488 01:26:12,119 --> 01:26:12,849 You know, I'm like... 1489 01:26:13,579 --> 01:26:17,569 Some of these leftist catchphrases though, I really like them because they... 1490 01:26:17,784 --> 01:26:18,724 They're actually true. 1491 01:26:18,944 --> 01:26:20,684 Like my body, my choice. 1492 01:26:21,754 --> 01:26:22,174 Yes. 1493 01:26:22,244 --> 01:26:23,704 Apply that to everything, please. 1494 01:26:24,114 --> 01:26:26,164 Like not to 1495 01:26:26,204 --> 01:26:27,264 absolutely everything. 1496 01:26:27,304 --> 01:26:28,114 Well, I'm like, same thing. 1497 01:26:28,694 --> 01:26:33,124 Guns are horrific tools of violence and we absolutely need to make sure that that 1498 01:26:33,134 --> 01:26:34,634 dangerous people are stripped of them. 1499 01:26:34,644 --> 01:26:36,724 Let's start with the military and police. 1500 01:26:36,764 --> 01:26:37,354 Cause they kill 1501 01:26:37,354 --> 01:26:38,294 the most people. 1502 01:26:38,324 --> 01:26:39,754 And there's also defund the police. 1503 01:26:39,834 --> 01:26:40,144 Yes. 1504 01:26:40,414 --> 01:26:42,134 And every other fucking institution. 1505 01:26:42,314 --> 01:26:44,244 Please start wherever you want. 1506 01:26:44,254 --> 01:26:45,524 Just defund everything. 1507 01:26:45,744 --> 01:26:45,974 Yeah. 1508 01:26:47,094 --> 01:26:50,364 Leftists get really, like, they kind of glitch out when I do that. 1509 01:26:50,414 --> 01:26:51,834 I'm like, yeah, absolutely. 1510 01:26:51,834 --> 01:26:53,654 Women need to have a right to abortion. 1511 01:26:53,654 --> 01:26:56,924 And, and just like in the same way, I need to have a right that nobody should inject 1512 01:26:56,924 --> 01:26:58,324 me with anything that I don't know about. 1513 01:26:58,564 --> 01:26:59,974 And they're like, well, hang on. 1514 01:27:00,224 --> 01:27:02,854 Or to inject yourself with whatever you want for that matter. 1515 01:27:02,854 --> 01:27:03,054 Sure. 1516 01:27:03,264 --> 01:27:03,674 Yeah. 1517 01:27:03,964 --> 01:27:06,094 And like a hundred percent, I want to respect your body. 1518 01:27:06,104 --> 01:27:06,964 You should respect that. 1519 01:27:06,974 --> 01:27:10,214 I want to put all kinds of different drugs and stuff into my body, you know? 1520 01:27:10,254 --> 01:27:10,724 And like. 1521 01:27:11,209 --> 01:27:12,939 Yeah, I don't know, at the end of the day, like, I'd 1522 01:27:12,939 --> 01:27:15,349 even try baklava if it came to that, you know, 1523 01:27:15,909 --> 01:27:16,889 yeah, absolutely. 1524 01:27:16,949 --> 01:27:20,559 And like, going back to earlier, what we were talking about, about 1525 01:27:20,559 --> 01:27:24,269 the positivity, like, we're in the middle of this extraordinary bloom 1526 01:27:24,269 --> 01:27:25,499 that the internet's providing. 1527 01:27:25,499 --> 01:27:28,589 And we're like, these dialogues wouldn't happen anywhere else. 1528 01:27:28,749 --> 01:27:31,039 There would never be a space for it, and people wouldn't even be 1529 01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:34,019 aware of these forms of thought if it wasn't for the internet. 1530 01:27:34,579 --> 01:27:37,139 And so it's so extraordinary that we get to have a space 1531 01:27:37,139 --> 01:27:38,069 where we get to talk about it. 1532 01:27:38,419 --> 01:27:40,919 Maybe I'm totally wrong, maybe there's some point here that I'm 1533 01:27:40,919 --> 01:27:44,139 absolutely missing, and that, you know, leftists are 100 percent right. 1534 01:27:44,189 --> 01:27:47,489 I'm pretty sure they're not, but I'm open to having a dialogue 1535 01:27:47,499 --> 01:27:49,709 about it, because I probably am 1536 01:27:49,719 --> 01:27:50,369 missing something. 1537 01:27:50,409 --> 01:27:51,819 Yeah, and what is the internet? 1538 01:27:52,889 --> 01:27:54,219 It's just us communicating. 1539 01:27:54,369 --> 01:27:57,219 It's just an easier way for us to connect and communicate. 1540 01:27:57,229 --> 01:28:01,469 That's all it is, and it's all through mathematics, which is also language. 1541 01:28:01,529 --> 01:28:03,579 Like, it's all about communication. 1542 01:28:04,219 --> 01:28:05,579 As a substitute for violence. 1543 01:28:05,939 --> 01:28:06,189 That's 1544 01:28:06,189 --> 01:28:06,599 what it is. 1545 01:28:06,679 --> 01:28:10,219 And like, one of the key differences though is that now getting to sort of 1546 01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:13,019 zoom in and use this language of math. 1547 01:28:13,714 --> 01:28:18,074 Uh, like if I'm providing a cryptographic proof that is one number off, you can 1548 01:28:18,074 --> 01:28:20,014 be like, that's, that's fucking wrong. 1549 01:28:20,164 --> 01:28:21,164 And I'm like, well, hang on. 1550 01:28:21,164 --> 01:28:21,724 No, no, no. 1551 01:28:21,724 --> 01:28:22,574 We're like really close. 1552 01:28:22,594 --> 01:28:24,694 And you're like, yeah, it doesn't fucking matter. 1553 01:28:24,694 --> 01:28:25,494 You're wrong. 1554 01:28:25,504 --> 01:28:27,364 Yeah, it doesn't kill the rabbit. 1555 01:28:27,694 --> 01:28:27,804 Like, 1556 01:28:27,894 --> 01:28:30,904 where, like, if I say this beer bottle here is amber, you could go, well, 1557 01:28:30,904 --> 01:28:32,874 no, that, that's more of a brown. 1558 01:28:32,904 --> 01:28:34,794 And I could go, well, maybe it's an ant. 1559 01:28:35,594 --> 01:28:38,884 Well, and there's this metaphorical difference that always happens in language 1560 01:28:38,884 --> 01:28:43,354 where we're always one degree removed from being able to have some, like, like 1561 01:28:43,354 --> 01:28:46,664 we can never actually conclude whether this is brown or amber or something in 1562 01:28:46,664 --> 01:28:52,024 between, whereas with a cryptographic proof, it's absolutely certain whether 1563 01:28:52,024 --> 01:28:53,839 or not this is the same proof or not. 1564 01:28:54,389 --> 01:28:58,599 And to me, like, that's sort of this more hyper resolutioned language that 1565 01:28:58,599 --> 01:29:02,959 we have access through cryptography that we're at a very, very rudimentary stage. 1566 01:29:03,079 --> 01:29:03,329 Yeah. 1567 01:29:03,429 --> 01:29:09,029 You know, like, we're using it, we're using it almost as monkeys, just with 1568 01:29:09,029 --> 01:29:12,889 the most rudimentary communication, which, you know, again, in the tradition 1569 01:29:12,889 --> 01:29:16,679 of all of humanity, returning to the very beginning, is like, This 1570 01:29:16,679 --> 01:29:18,159 is the fucking origin of language. 1571 01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:22,049 Like I encounter another savage in the world and I go, Oh, he's the shit. 1572 01:29:22,069 --> 01:29:24,739 Me Tarzan, you Jane, go away. 1573 01:29:25,029 --> 01:29:26,189 He goes like, Oh, wow. 1574 01:29:26,279 --> 01:29:27,009 This is a great hat. 1575 01:29:27,039 --> 01:29:28,409 I can't just like steal his hat. 1576 01:29:28,599 --> 01:29:29,589 His gods will kill me. 1577 01:29:29,769 --> 01:29:35,579 So like, I'll like take this hat and then you're like, Oh shit. 1578 01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:38,679 Like if I, if I like leave these stupid hats, this guy will like, 1579 01:29:38,679 --> 01:29:40,719 give me these super valuable bottles. 1580 01:29:41,654 --> 01:29:45,164 And like, lo and behold, the global economy begins. 1581 01:29:45,224 --> 01:29:45,744 Yeah, 1582 01:29:46,504 --> 01:29:48,474 all trade is, is communication. 1583 01:29:48,834 --> 01:29:52,394 And amber is a good word because Bitcoin is cryptographic amber, right? 1584 01:29:52,474 --> 01:29:56,924 And the more blocks that get added to the time chain, the more amber, layers 1585 01:29:56,924 --> 01:29:59,034 of amber is around that transaction. 1586 01:29:59,034 --> 01:30:01,984 And it's more and more irreversible, the more time flows. 1587 01:30:02,314 --> 01:30:04,304 This episode is sponsored by Amber App. 1588 01:30:05,214 --> 01:30:06,994 Oh, is there a plug for amber? 1589 01:30:07,354 --> 01:30:07,924 Yeah, no, just, 1590 01:30:08,264 --> 01:30:08,824 just kidding. 1591 01:30:08,854 --> 01:30:09,844 Give us money, Izzy. 1592 01:30:10,144 --> 01:30:13,594 So, uh, I wanted to do this one. 1593 01:30:13,654 --> 01:30:18,294 Uh, one of my favorites comic strips is from Gary Larson, where he explains 1594 01:30:18,324 --> 01:30:20,064 the four different personality types. 1595 01:30:20,624 --> 01:30:23,884 So would you say that this glass is half full or half empty? 1596 01:30:24,064 --> 01:30:25,014 We'll say half full. 1597 01:30:25,504 --> 01:30:25,944 Okay. 1598 01:30:26,324 --> 01:30:28,494 So you fall into one of these four categories. 1599 01:30:28,504 --> 01:30:31,034 And the first category, it's the people who say it's half full. 1600 01:30:31,344 --> 01:30:34,014 The second category is the people who say it's half empty. 1601 01:30:34,919 --> 01:30:39,569 The third category is the Indis indecisive people who say it's half full, half empty. 1602 01:30:39,569 --> 01:30:42,179 I don't really know the agnostics of the world, you know? 1603 01:30:43,249 --> 01:30:45,289 And the fourth cate, uh, category, which. 1604 01:30:46,029 --> 01:30:49,519 I have observed through life, it's by far the largest category of 1605 01:30:49,549 --> 01:30:53,379 people, and it's the people who say, Hey, I ordered a cheeseburger. 1606 01:30:56,679 --> 01:30:56,979 Yes. 1607 01:30:57,619 --> 01:31:00,479 That's a good metaphor for all of life and the way people approach it. 1608 01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:01,029 Yeah, yeah. 1609 01:31:02,089 --> 01:31:04,209 Erik, thank you so much for coming on again. 1610 01:31:04,649 --> 01:31:08,309 We fucking treasure your friendship and, you know, give us a hug. 1611 01:31:10,044 --> 01:31:14,634 let's get it on video there we go there we go and we need to get back to the 1612 01:31:14,634 --> 01:31:16,204 conference and do stupid shit it's 1613 01:31:16,214 --> 01:31:21,804 true we're we're below on gears so yeah but i'll get to you next thanks again eric 1614 01:31:21,904 --> 01:31:23,944 thank you thank you guys thank you guys 1615 01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,349 So what did you think of that 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