Cryptosovereignty and the Bitcoin Revolution with Erik Cason - Freedom Footprint Show 52

1 00:00:00,027 --> 00:00:03,977 I think it's really important to understand that cryptography in and of 2 00:00:03,977 --> 00:00:09,157 itself provides a new form of sovereignty and that this new form of sovereignty, in 3 00:00:09,157 --> 00:00:14,317 my opinion, is the only way that we return to having a true law that is actually 4 00:00:14,317 --> 00:00:19,895 a common wealth where we all have the equality of the law Or, better yet, we 5 00:00:19,895 --> 00:00:24,425 have the equanimity of the law, but the respect of the individuality through it. 6 00:00:24,444 --> 00:00:28,944 So for me, what cryptosovereignty is, it's about the artistry of 7 00:00:28,964 --> 00:00:33,684 utilizing cryptography in this way to create new systems that we 8 00:00:33,684 --> 00:00:35,474 can utilize for self empowerment. 9 00:00:35,637 --> 00:00:38,467 Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show, the Bitcoin 10 00:00:38,467 --> 00:00:42,167 philosophy show with Knut Svanholm and me, Luke the Pseudo Finn. 11 00:00:42,579 --> 00:00:46,629 Today we have a very special guest returning to our podcast, Erik Cason, 12 00:00:46,999 --> 00:00:51,579 Bitcoin philosopher, crypto anarchist, cypherpunk, and good friend of the show. 13 00:00:52,085 --> 00:00:55,285 Erik is with us in person this time, recorded at Baltic Honey Badger 14 00:00:55,285 --> 00:01:01,780 2023, to take a walk through history, philosophy, politics, bitcoin, and more. 15 00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:06,210 In this episode we talk about Erik's views on crypto sovereignty, the 16 00:01:06,210 --> 00:01:07,850 topic of his book of the same name. 17 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:13,204 We also draw parallels between the atomic bomb and the risks that AI poses . 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00:02:12,052 --> 00:02:17,842 And now, without further ado, here is Erik Cason on the Freedom Footprint Show. 43 00:02:18,417 --> 00:02:20,107 how are we doing this, Luke, and are we? 44 00:02:20,217 --> 00:02:20,877 Oh, we're already 45 00:02:20,877 --> 00:02:21,597 rolling, guys. 46 00:02:21,617 --> 00:02:24,647 So, I mean, uh, let's just, let's just, let's just keep it going. 47 00:02:24,647 --> 00:02:28,557 I mean, as, as Knut said, like, you're, you're our first proper returning guest. 48 00:02:28,567 --> 00:02:31,907 And, and I mean, we didn't plan this exactly, but this is awesome. 49 00:02:31,907 --> 00:02:36,247 Like, uh, awesome to run into you and, uh, meet you in person for the first time. 50 00:02:36,257 --> 00:02:37,357 And, uh, for me. 51 00:02:37,407 --> 00:02:37,827 Yeah, it's funny, 52 00:02:38,077 --> 00:02:40,627 because like, like, it felt more casual with you. 53 00:02:42,532 --> 00:02:44,592 Like, I realized it was our first time, but at the same 54 00:02:44,592 --> 00:02:45,522 time, because we know each other. 55 00:02:45,542 --> 00:02:46,342 I know, it's awesome. 56 00:02:46,622 --> 00:02:48,822 it's funny cause this hap, there's like a number of people this 57 00:02:48,822 --> 00:02:49,812 happens with like with John. 58 00:02:49,812 --> 00:02:50,292 Yeah, yeah. 59 00:02:50,362 --> 00:02:52,302 Every time I start talking to John, he's like, God dammit, I wish 60 00:02:52,302 --> 00:02:53,052 y'all were recording it. 61 00:02:53,112 --> 00:02:53,962 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 62 00:02:54,372 --> 00:02:58,632 And there's so many, like, especially here in Riga, I've had so many. 63 00:02:59,397 --> 00:03:02,187 Similar experiences with that, that's bumping into someone and 64 00:03:02,187 --> 00:03:06,227 you instantly connect on like this level that is just beyond, because 65 00:03:06,227 --> 00:03:10,477 there, you meet people that actually think about things and it's, yeah. 66 00:03:10,647 --> 00:03:14,167 Well, I mean, like, isn't that the truth of, of, we're not all here 67 00:03:14,377 --> 00:03:19,537 because of Bitcoin, but because of the form of thought that Bitcoin allows. 68 00:03:19,657 --> 00:03:19,977 Yeah, and 69 00:03:19,977 --> 00:03:22,297 instills within us, like. 70 00:03:23,002 --> 00:03:28,692 And that's the, yeah, I mean, my shtick nowadays is that you are your bitcoins 71 00:03:28,692 --> 00:03:33,902 and we all are the network, like we're not only Satoshi, but we are the 72 00:03:33,902 --> 00:03:37,142 actual bitcoins because they're just information and that makes them us. 73 00:03:37,242 --> 00:03:43,602 And I think that's, to some extent, why they, why they change us so 74 00:03:43,602 --> 00:03:47,372 much, because like, you don't change Bitcoin, Bitcoin changes you. 75 00:03:47,622 --> 00:03:50,182 That's, that's profound. 76 00:03:50,242 --> 00:03:51,692 Like, that's so true. 77 00:03:51,802 --> 00:03:54,282 Like, you are the killer app of this thing. 78 00:03:54,282 --> 00:03:59,612 It's not, this is not a killer app of, it is you, like, and it changes you. 79 00:03:59,992 --> 00:04:00,312 When I 80 00:04:00,322 --> 00:04:06,292 think it's that, that spark of realizing that there is a truth that we can follow, 81 00:04:06,362 --> 00:04:10,982 that like, it, it jumpstarts thinking in like the truest sense of what it is. 82 00:04:11,072 --> 00:04:11,302 Yeah. 83 00:04:11,537 --> 00:04:16,417 And I think because, like, part of the nihilism of contemporarism is that it's 84 00:04:16,427 --> 00:04:21,587 so deeply authoritarian that it feels like thought itself is almost seditious 85 00:04:21,587 --> 00:04:26,337 and misleading because how could this thing be of value to you when, you 86 00:04:26,337 --> 00:04:30,417 know, you can see out in the world if you just obey what's being told, you'll 87 00:04:30,417 --> 00:04:32,447 live a relatively comfortable life. 88 00:04:33,227 --> 00:04:37,342 But then having this experience and encounter of, like, Wait, there's this 89 00:04:37,352 --> 00:04:41,932 other radical truth that's happening that maybe can resolve all of the problems of 90 00:04:42,392 --> 00:04:49,242 fiat and of the nihilism of politics and the inescapability of the fiat economy. 91 00:04:49,252 --> 00:04:53,072 It truly awakens us and starts to transform us. 92 00:04:53,142 --> 00:04:54,932 You know, and I was sharing earlier, like. 93 00:04:55,152 --> 00:04:58,982 I literally don't know who I would be, or even if I'd be alive without 94 00:04:58,992 --> 00:05:04,112 Bitcoin, because of that hope and the way that it rescued me from the nihilism. 95 00:05:04,222 --> 00:05:10,012 Yeah, and I mean, a caged animal at the zoo can live a relatively comfortable 96 00:05:10,012 --> 00:05:13,052 life as well, but it's still caged. 97 00:05:13,512 --> 00:05:17,392 Yeah, and I mean, a lot of sort of my presentation in Crypto 98 00:05:17,392 --> 00:05:19,852 Sovereignty is this understanding... 99 00:05:19,902 --> 00:05:20,182 Yeah, 100 00:05:20,322 --> 00:05:22,252 Crypto Sovereignty is your new book, we should... 101 00:05:22,412 --> 00:05:22,782 Oh, yeah. 102 00:05:22,782 --> 00:05:23,162 Let's 103 00:05:23,352 --> 00:05:23,802 show it. 104 00:05:23,802 --> 00:05:25,292 I'm not good at showing stuff. 105 00:05:26,162 --> 00:05:26,982 So I have a new book. 106 00:05:26,982 --> 00:05:27,392 It's yeah. 107 00:05:27,392 --> 00:05:27,682 Buy 108 00:05:27,682 --> 00:05:29,532 his book and my books. 109 00:05:29,682 --> 00:05:29,952 Yeah. 110 00:05:32,252 --> 00:05:33,612 And Luke's whenever he writes one. 111 00:05:33,682 --> 00:05:34,022 Yeah. 112 00:05:34,032 --> 00:05:34,342 Yeah. 113 00:05:34,462 --> 00:05:35,592 We're all going to have books soon. 114 00:05:35,842 --> 00:05:36,172 Yeah. 115 00:05:36,582 --> 00:05:40,672 Um, but it's available through, through Bitcoin magazine, the publisher. 116 00:05:40,702 --> 00:05:41,302 Um, 117 00:05:41,372 --> 00:05:45,332 if you, if you buy it within two weeks, you get a set of steak knives, right? 118 00:05:45,772 --> 00:05:49,932 Uh, yeah, maybe you, you might be one of the ones you pick. 119 00:05:49,942 --> 00:05:50,442 All of a sudden, 120 00:05:51,602 --> 00:05:53,542 if you want, I'll sign and I'll put a steak knife. 121 00:05:55,232 --> 00:05:57,132 It can be hard to ship to Riga though. 122 00:05:57,272 --> 00:05:57,682 Yeah. 123 00:05:57,762 --> 00:05:58,242 Yeah. 124 00:05:58,402 --> 00:05:59,482 I thought I was supposed to get my books. 125 00:06:00,292 --> 00:06:02,542 I'm not sure if they actually arrived, but anyways. 126 00:06:03,582 --> 00:06:06,182 The reason for the book isn't to show a book, but because I just want my 127 00:06:06,182 --> 00:06:09,472 thoughts out there and I think it's really important to understand that 128 00:06:09,552 --> 00:06:14,762 cryptography in and of itself provides a new form of sovereignty and that this 129 00:06:14,762 --> 00:06:19,382 new form of sovereignty, in my opinion, is the only way that we return to having 130 00:06:19,442 --> 00:06:24,612 a true law that is actually a common wealth where we all have the equality 131 00:06:24,612 --> 00:06:29,357 of the law Or, or, uh, better yet, we have the equanimity of the law, but the 132 00:06:29,357 --> 00:06:31,697 respect of the individuality through it. 133 00:06:32,137 --> 00:06:32,917 Equanimity? 134 00:06:33,267 --> 00:06:33,697 Maybe not. 135 00:06:34,617 --> 00:06:38,447 I'm kind of Explain the word, the word equ equanimity is one of 136 00:06:38,447 --> 00:06:40,317 those words that I find difficult. 137 00:06:40,367 --> 00:06:41,447 Knut speaks Swedish. 138 00:06:41,497 --> 00:06:42,077 Yeah, yeah. 139 00:06:42,167 --> 00:06:48,537 It's more of the, uh, the access to the equality of opportunity as opposed 140 00:06:48,797 --> 00:06:50,587 to actually saying that we are equal. 141 00:06:50,937 --> 00:06:51,097 Yeah. 142 00:06:51,247 --> 00:06:53,707 So, so it's like providing the level playing field so that 143 00:06:53,707 --> 00:06:54,887 we can have the fair game. 144 00:06:54,897 --> 00:06:55,207 Yeah. 145 00:06:56,162 --> 00:06:58,712 Uh, and I think a lot of people will mistake that to like essentially 146 00:06:58,712 --> 00:07:02,732 trying to homogenize everyone and say, no, we're all equal no matter what. 147 00:07:03,002 --> 00:07:07,442 Even if you happen to have brain damage and I happen to be Albert Einstein. 148 00:07:09,582 --> 00:07:09,702 A T I 149 00:07:09,702 --> 00:07:13,072 Q . Exactly a D I q, me, you know? 150 00:07:13,672 --> 00:07:14,062 Yeah. 151 00:07:14,482 --> 00:07:15,622 Did you see Giacomo's? 152 00:07:15,962 --> 00:07:16,402 I did. 153 00:07:16,412 --> 00:07:17,632 We had a great fantastic. 154 00:07:17,992 --> 00:07:18,462 Yeah. 155 00:07:18,762 --> 00:07:18,892 Oh 156 00:07:18,892 --> 00:07:19,082 yeah. 157 00:07:19,082 --> 00:07:19,342 Yeah. 158 00:07:20,422 --> 00:07:25,002 Cause I was pointing out like, uh, there seems to be a real quality of midwittery 159 00:07:25,042 --> 00:07:30,552 where there's an esteem and ego that asserts itself that both the midwits 160 00:07:30,562 --> 00:07:32,492 and the geniuses seem to actually lack. 161 00:07:32,492 --> 00:07:36,142 And, and, and them just questioning themselves to be like, well, I'm kind of a 162 00:07:37,382 --> 00:07:37,602 dumbass. 163 00:07:38,012 --> 00:07:42,352 I think we're, uh, it's, this show is going to be quite hard to follow 164 00:07:42,352 --> 00:07:44,002 if we just keep on talking about. 165 00:07:44,372 --> 00:07:48,392 Stuff that recently happened as it's kind of hard to follow thoughts 166 00:07:48,392 --> 00:07:49,712 about a talk that didn't happen. 167 00:07:49,802 --> 00:07:50,522 No, but this is okay. 168 00:07:50,522 --> 00:07:50,702 Like, 169 00:07:50,702 --> 00:07:55,232 like, uh, this is, this is super relevant because this A D I Q thing is, 170 00:07:55,237 --> 00:07:58,932 is, is part of a current issue within the Bitcoin community, and the, the 171 00:07:58,982 --> 00:08:02,372 finding is like sometimes we get to a point where we're talking about like 172 00:08:02,372 --> 00:08:03,992 a so-called current thing and then. 173 00:08:04,772 --> 00:08:07,462 It goes away in like a month or something like that sort of happened 174 00:08:07,462 --> 00:08:11,142 with ordinals, but, but I think I think what we're talking about here is 175 00:08:11,142 --> 00:08:14,362 like a fundamental difference between actually, I'll give I'll give some 176 00:08:14,362 --> 00:08:16,192 credit to Peter McCormack on this one. 177 00:08:17,242 --> 00:08:23,302 He had a tweet that observed that the ordinals crowd and the drive chain 178 00:08:23,462 --> 00:08:27,039 crowd seem to be liking the same things. 179 00:08:27,213 --> 00:08:31,933 And it sort of exposed a bit of a liberal Bitcoin community and a conservative 180 00:08:31,973 --> 00:08:34,313 Bitcoin community, as in conserving... 181 00:08:34,719 --> 00:08:36,209 Liberal might have also been the wrong word. 182 00:08:36,209 --> 00:08:40,589 It's just more like, uh, progressive maybe actually is a better word here, 183 00:08:41,249 --> 00:08:43,659 but like, what do you, what do you think about that division that there's 184 00:08:43,659 --> 00:08:47,709 sort of an opening up of, of, uh, the people who want to conserve the protocol 185 00:08:47,709 --> 00:08:51,115 and keep it, safe and running and then the people who want to do stuff to 186 00:08:51,115 --> 00:08:51,394 it. 187 00:08:51,977 --> 00:08:55,977 I think that this is this really healthy dynamic of essentially like the 188 00:08:56,017 --> 00:09:00,967 toxic Bitcoin crowd are these internal agitators that are always going to 189 00:09:00,967 --> 00:09:07,377 remind us of the truth of the mission, the need to have a true alignment of 190 00:09:07,377 --> 00:09:10,747 incentives in a thoughtful way, and the understanding of that introducing 191 00:09:10,747 --> 00:09:14,547 anything else is going to change those incentives in some way or form. 192 00:09:15,182 --> 00:09:19,042 Uh, and also the people on the outside that are pushing ongoing 193 00:09:19,042 --> 00:09:21,192 developments that truly are needed. 194 00:09:21,202 --> 00:09:23,863 And a great example of this is like, much of what's being built 195 00:09:23,873 --> 00:09:27,523 today was only possible because of getting SegWit integrated. 196 00:09:27,643 --> 00:09:30,963 And that was a long and difficult and arduous debate. 197 00:09:31,323 --> 00:09:35,213 And particularly once people stopped pushing as hard and there could be a real 198 00:09:35,243 --> 00:09:40,653 open dialogue about how this was going to help Bitcoin, did the possibilities that 199 00:09:40,653 --> 00:09:42,913 it introduced actually start to come in. 200 00:09:42,933 --> 00:09:43,603 So, so. 201 00:09:44,188 --> 00:09:50,208 To me, like, this is the truly political process of Bitcoin that's very sloppy, 202 00:09:50,228 --> 00:09:54,178 messy, difficult, and important because this is the only way that, 203 00:09:54,178 --> 00:09:58,038 like, we're actually going to figure out what we need as the developments. 204 00:09:58,517 --> 00:10:02,377 like, I personally don't think that we're at a place of ossification yet because I 205 00:10:02,377 --> 00:10:05,717 still think that there are some updates that need to be done in addition to, you 206 00:10:05,717 --> 00:10:07,007 know, like You think it will ever hard 207 00:10:07,007 --> 00:10:08,397 fork again, successfully? 208 00:10:08,853 --> 00:10:10,393 I mean, it hard forks all the time, but 209 00:10:11,143 --> 00:10:18,168 I I think Yes, because of the, what is it, like the, the 2093 bug? 210 00:10:18,358 --> 00:10:18,878 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 211 00:10:18,918 --> 00:10:19,168 Yeah. 212 00:10:19,388 --> 00:10:20,798 That thing that needs to be fixed. 213 00:10:20,818 --> 00:10:24,418 So there, there's an issue in Bitcoin that needs to be fixed, otherwise we're fucked 214 00:10:24,418 --> 00:10:24,808 basically. 215 00:10:24,818 --> 00:10:25,348 Yeah. 216 00:10:25,958 --> 00:10:29,418 And I think that this is important because it gives us the responsibility 217 00:10:29,418 --> 00:10:33,018 of knowing and understanding that this will happen at some point in time. 218 00:10:33,068 --> 00:10:37,458 And the question is, is how much do we want to get in front of that? 219 00:10:37,468 --> 00:10:41,308 Or do we want to get right up to the boundary for it to be a real crisis point? 220 00:10:41,338 --> 00:10:41,548 Yeah. 221 00:10:41,548 --> 00:10:41,748 Yeah. 222 00:10:43,043 --> 00:10:47,043 And, uh, ultimately at the end of the day, I really appreciate that there is this 223 00:10:47,043 --> 00:10:49,193 responsibility coming from both sides. 224 00:10:49,273 --> 00:10:49,603 Yep. 225 00:10:49,773 --> 00:10:54,463 Um, and like, I've gotten some shit for, uh, like, I, I think inscriptions are 226 00:10:54,463 --> 00:10:59,893 like a pretty important new technology that, that Bitcoin can access in a 227 00:10:59,893 --> 00:11:04,063 meaningful way and utilize, like, the fact that Tankman is now on the time 228 00:11:04,063 --> 00:11:05,553 chain, I think is a really important. 229 00:11:06,998 --> 00:11:11,428 And I think future, yeah, this, the, during the, the 230 00:11:11,438 --> 00:11:13,098 Chinese democracy protests and, 231 00:11:13,118 --> 00:11:14,968 oh, yeah, yeah, the Tiananmen Square guy, 232 00:11:15,048 --> 00:11:19,168 yeah, so, so, so Tank Man and Tiananmen Square, that's an illegal image in 233 00:11:19,168 --> 00:11:22,708 China and you can now see it directly on Bitcoin's blockchain because 234 00:11:22,708 --> 00:11:24,263 of what inscriptions have offered. 235 00:11:24,853 --> 00:11:29,643 Now with that being said, like, Ordinals itself is just a randomized catalog, you 236 00:11:29,643 --> 00:11:31,703 know, anybody could do it or present it. 237 00:11:31,923 --> 00:11:35,923 It seems to mostly be for people to present kitsch NFT bullshit that's 238 00:11:35,933 --> 00:11:37,533 going to be trend towards zero. 239 00:11:38,353 --> 00:11:41,043 And at the end of the day, like, if people want to waste their 240 00:11:41,043 --> 00:11:42,193 money on that, that's fine. 241 00:11:42,273 --> 00:11:44,973 If, like, if you think that a stat is going to be worth more than 242 00:11:44,973 --> 00:11:47,353 a stat, you're welcome to that. 243 00:11:47,353 --> 00:11:48,413 I think it's dumb, but. 244 00:11:49,048 --> 00:11:49,838 Feel free. 245 00:11:50,148 --> 00:11:54,168 And this is one of the places that I think people can get too extremist, is that, uh, 246 00:11:54,228 --> 00:11:58,418 in the purity ness of being like, nothing on the blockchain except for financial 247 00:11:58,418 --> 00:12:03,388 transactions, I don't necessarily accept that on its face because there 248 00:12:03,408 --> 00:12:06,088 could be more valuable applications that I simply don't know about. 249 00:12:06,088 --> 00:12:06,638 Well, well, 250 00:12:07,368 --> 00:12:08,148 to begin with... 251 00:12:08,353 --> 00:12:12,993 What constitutes a financial transaction is entirely subjective, 252 00:12:13,043 --> 00:12:14,793 like homogeneity is subjective. 253 00:12:14,853 --> 00:12:17,393 Like there's no such thing as fungibility, really. 254 00:12:17,513 --> 00:12:17,903 Yeah. 255 00:12:17,903 --> 00:12:19,803 Everything is different to different people. 256 00:12:19,813 --> 00:12:22,343 Like, so there are no clear boundaries here. 257 00:12:22,343 --> 00:12:26,403 And that's, that's why it's so hard to box in and like explain in 258 00:12:26,433 --> 00:12:30,263 simple ways, because it requires this understanding of the subjective 259 00:12:30,263 --> 00:12:32,563 nature of everything in economics. 260 00:12:32,563 --> 00:12:32,793 Right. 261 00:12:33,333 --> 00:12:33,703 Yeah. 262 00:12:33,703 --> 00:12:34,363 And like that. 263 00:12:34,808 --> 00:12:38,621 It's a real double edged sword because on one hand that provides, like the 264 00:12:38,671 --> 00:12:43,041 total field of possibilities that we can actually access through economics. 265 00:12:43,101 --> 00:12:43,561 Yeah. 266 00:12:44,081 --> 00:12:47,011 However, also like that means we have to do the real work to 267 00:12:47,011 --> 00:12:48,711 understand all of that stuff. 268 00:12:48,741 --> 00:12:53,271 And that's one of the reasons that we have such endemic fiat brain 269 00:12:53,281 --> 00:12:55,281 is that people don't know how to actually think for themselves. 270 00:12:55,291 --> 00:12:55,451 No. 271 00:12:55,461 --> 00:12:57,901 Because they've been told what to think for so long. 272 00:12:58,021 --> 00:12:58,311 Yeah. 273 00:12:58,501 --> 00:13:02,181 That the foreignness of thinking for themselves feels wrong in and of itself. 274 00:13:02,211 --> 00:13:02,791 Yeah, yeah. 275 00:13:03,261 --> 00:13:05,881 You know, and for me, that's been one of the greatest struggles in me 276 00:13:05,881 --> 00:13:10,781 trying to orange pill people is people being like, why does it have value? 277 00:13:10,841 --> 00:13:13,581 And I get really frustrated because I'm like, well, think about it. 278 00:13:13,661 --> 00:13:13,871 Yeah. 279 00:13:13,871 --> 00:13:14,121 Yeah. 280 00:13:15,441 --> 00:13:15,861 Okay. 281 00:13:16,121 --> 00:13:18,921 Um, I'm going to give an outline, which I think. 282 00:13:19,146 --> 00:13:23,976 Uh, has tangent saw this, like the, the way, first the way I see like 283 00:13:23,976 --> 00:13:29,556 Bitcoin conservatism and bitcoin progressivism, whatever you may call it. 284 00:13:29,616 --> 00:13:34,256 Like, I got a question two days ago about like, what do you think 285 00:13:34,261 --> 00:13:38,186 would've happened if it would've been 42 million instead of 21 million and 286 00:13:38,186 --> 00:13:42,566 like the a hundred sets or uh, uh, a hundred coins the first four years 287 00:13:42,566 --> 00:13:44,836 instead of 50 and so on and so forth. 288 00:13:44,866 --> 00:13:48,726 And the thing is, we know that Bitcoin works now. 289 00:13:49,205 --> 00:13:52,145 And we know that history played out the way it did. 290 00:13:52,545 --> 00:13:57,085 What we do not know is if you change any of the parameters, if 291 00:13:57,085 --> 00:13:58,315 that would have ever happened. 292 00:13:59,075 --> 00:14:02,765 So, so we're here to study this thing and observe it behave in 293 00:14:02,765 --> 00:14:06,045 certain ways, but we, like, we cannot know what would have happened 294 00:14:06,055 --> 00:14:07,625 if any of the things were changed. 295 00:14:07,945 --> 00:14:13,350 And it's very close to, like, You know, the parameters of the universe, the 296 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:19,260 universal constants, like pi, or stuff like that, the speed of light, and what 297 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:27,570 not, the weak force and the strong force, we don't know, we're here to observe it. 298 00:14:28,750 --> 00:14:31,630 The thing is, this is the thing that religious people often tell me, 299 00:14:31,630 --> 00:14:37,030 that it seems designed because it couldn't have worked if the universe 300 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:38,590 wasn't as fine tuned as it is. 301 00:14:39,140 --> 00:14:43,270 But the thing is, if it wasn't as fine tuned as it is, you wouldn't have been 302 00:14:43,270 --> 00:14:44,770 here to observe it in the first place. 303 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,810 So, like, that's a loop argument to me. 304 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,520 And it also, in history, when you say that, like, We figured out 305 00:14:52,530 --> 00:14:57,880 free market economics in Western democracies, or, or that Judeo Christian 306 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,290 tradition led up to this point, and we wouldn't have this without that. 307 00:15:01,670 --> 00:15:07,830 I mean, it's impossible to, to know, and like wars created great inventions 308 00:15:07,830 --> 00:15:11,800 like the GPS and the radar and whatnot, and it's impossible to know 309 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:17,970 if those things happened because of, or despite of, The course of history. 310 00:15:18,610 --> 00:15:22,570 So I think we ought to be a bit more humble when seeing the correlations 311 00:15:22,570 --> 00:15:28,280 between things because like, it's very likely that the scientific process 312 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:33,090 would have been smoother and faster if we hadn't had, you know, religious 313 00:15:33,090 --> 00:15:36,685 institutions trampling down on scientists. 314 00:15:36,875 --> 00:15:38,705 During the Enlightenment, for instance. 315 00:15:39,155 --> 00:15:44,665 But also, the other point of view that we had this robust Judaeo 316 00:15:44,665 --> 00:15:47,355 Christian tradition, maybe that's what led up to these people 317 00:15:47,365 --> 00:15:48,905 thinking about these things at all. 318 00:15:49,265 --> 00:15:52,685 But my point is that we don't know, like. 319 00:15:53,510 --> 00:15:57,360 There's no way to tell how history would have played out if any of the, 320 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:58,770 it's the butterfly effect thing. 321 00:15:58,780 --> 00:16:01,520 Like if you changed something here, you change everything else. 322 00:16:01,570 --> 00:16:04,210 It's like, it's like the back to the future loop. 323 00:16:04,210 --> 00:16:06,340 If you could go back in time and change a little, little 324 00:16:06,540 --> 00:16:08,220 thing, you change everything. 325 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:14,890 So, so, uh, and that plays into this Bitcoin conservatism thing, because, uh, I 326 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:19,185 mean, Many of the people don't understand the BIPs and understand the issues, myself 327 00:16:19,185 --> 00:16:24,775 included, a lot of the time, uh, but there's a case to be made for conservatism 328 00:16:25,105 --> 00:16:30,361 in Bitcoin just because, it's delicate, like changing any of the parameters 329 00:16:30,361 --> 00:16:33,841 might ruin the entire fucking thing because for some reason we don't know. 330 00:16:34,816 --> 00:16:40,116 Uh, so, so that's, and I think there are parallels here to the history with 331 00:16:40,146 --> 00:16:44,266 organized religions, the history with, like, how we view the universe, the 332 00:16:44,266 --> 00:16:45,646 history with science and everything. 333 00:16:45,656 --> 00:16:47,506 Like, there's, there's a lot of parallels. 334 00:16:48,406 --> 00:16:50,916 Well, it's interesting because you actually touch on, like, a much 335 00:16:50,946 --> 00:16:53,156 deeper philosophical point of that. 336 00:16:54,136 --> 00:16:58,546 This idea that we know something is actually like the path towards hell. 337 00:16:58,763 --> 00:17:04,483 And like, and like very real genocidal, horrific amounts of killing have happened 338 00:17:04,573 --> 00:17:09,383 under this rubric of that we thought we actually knew what the right answer was. 339 00:17:09,413 --> 00:17:15,333 And we insisted upon that answer so intensely that, you know, here in Europe 340 00:17:15,333 --> 00:17:17,963 it had, you know, World War II was about. 341 00:17:18,483 --> 00:17:23,333 that becoming so loud and escalated that there was literally a class of 342 00:17:23,353 --> 00:17:27,523 people that were like the only way to deal with this jewish problem is the 343 00:17:27,523 --> 00:17:33,153 final solution you know and like like and like to be clear when you look at 344 00:17:33,413 --> 00:17:37,063 the Nuremberg trials like these dudes literally thought they were doing the 345 00:17:37,063 --> 00:17:42,108 right thing yeah and like It's insane, and this is what Hannah Ardent pointed out. 346 00:17:42,118 --> 00:17:46,208 She was like, look, Eichmann sincerely believed that he thought he was doing 347 00:17:46,208 --> 00:17:49,418 the right thing by obeying his duty to the state, and he made the whole 348 00:17:49,428 --> 00:17:54,088 argument that if people weren't going to do their duty to the state, that it 349 00:17:54,088 --> 00:17:59,163 would just be chaos and anarchy, and she was like, look at this midwit And 350 00:17:59,163 --> 00:18:04,053 how when you ask him to think about an ethical prerogative on his own 351 00:18:04,053 --> 00:18:09,863 accords, he has no self referencability except for pointing back to the state. 352 00:18:10,103 --> 00:18:14,723 She was like, this is literally what evil is because it's incapable of thinking. 353 00:18:15,143 --> 00:18:21,363 It reminds me of one of the last chapters of The White Pill by Michael Malice about 354 00:18:21,363 --> 00:18:27,823 the Soviet Union and the East Bloc and how people were wrongly accused of different 355 00:18:27,863 --> 00:18:34,113 crimes and they willingly admitted to having wrongly committed these crimes and 356 00:18:34,123 --> 00:18:39,573 willingly put themselves in the gulags, in the actual gulags, because they thought, 357 00:18:40,003 --> 00:18:43,773 you know, defending the system that put them there was more important than 358 00:18:43,773 --> 00:18:49,623 defending their own civil rights, you know, and that that's what a bad enough 359 00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:52,413 system can do to to people's brains. 360 00:18:52,473 --> 00:18:57,163 You know, you're like, you, you refuse to let go of this appeal to authority. 361 00:18:57,623 --> 00:18:58,796 And all hell happens. 362 00:18:59,136 --> 00:19:02,916 Like that's, that's the most dangerous thing, like the atomic bomb. 363 00:19:03,266 --> 00:19:07,787 And yeah, my talk tomorrow is about Oppenheimer and Satoshi Nakamoto 364 00:19:07,787 --> 00:19:10,676 and the similarities, like how they harness the power of physics to 365 00:19:10,676 --> 00:19:12,416 change human incentive structures. 366 00:19:12,763 --> 00:19:18,585 And I think the, the crucial thing that Oppenheimer left out of his He 367 00:19:18,585 --> 00:19:22,215 saw this thing, he rationalized it, at least according to the movie, he 368 00:19:22,215 --> 00:19:27,925 rationalized it to himself by thinking that if we construct this extremely 369 00:19:27,925 --> 00:19:31,705 destructive thing, then we end all wars, because game theory says so, 370 00:19:31,705 --> 00:19:35,865 because no one will bomb one another anymore, especially not, especially 371 00:19:35,875 --> 00:19:40,315 not attack the US, because doing so is in all probability a suicidal move. 372 00:19:40,725 --> 00:19:42,155 So that's how you stop wars. 373 00:19:42,745 --> 00:19:43,335 But he missed. 374 00:19:43,775 --> 00:19:49,085 His own incentives, like, he did all the things, all the funding for the Los Alamos 375 00:19:49,115 --> 00:19:54,361 and the test bomb and everything, and for him to do his science was this big bag 376 00:19:54,371 --> 00:20:01,371 of dangling shitcoin, American shitcoins in front of him, and he grabbed it and 377 00:20:01,411 --> 00:20:05,951 thereby put this destructive force in the hands of the Absolutely the wrong people. 378 00:20:05,951 --> 00:20:07,188 I mean, this is the thing. 379 00:20:07,238 --> 00:20:08,298 Science is beautiful. 380 00:20:08,308 --> 00:20:12,238 Science is fantastic, but it always ends up in the hands 381 00:20:12,238 --> 00:20:13,968 of the absolute wrong people. 382 00:20:14,008 --> 00:20:20,508 That is governments, because they're a force for evil, like, and this thing is so 383 00:20:20,508 --> 00:20:23,268 left out of the equation all at all times. 384 00:20:23,268 --> 00:20:26,568 I think like the, uh, the lessons from world war two and everything, 385 00:20:26,693 --> 00:20:32,003 The thing that's missing from the conversation is just that, I mean, if 386 00:20:32,003 --> 00:20:35,233 you don't want to be a Nazi, don't be a nationalist, and don't be a socialist. 387 00:20:35,303 --> 00:20:36,623 Like, this is like, 388 00:20:38,253 --> 00:20:39,803 we're missing the point, 389 00:20:40,583 --> 00:20:44,463 like, stop, stop appealing to authority. 390 00:20:44,473 --> 00:20:46,453 That's, that is the problem. 391 00:20:46,613 --> 00:20:46,893 Well, 392 00:20:47,113 --> 00:20:47,423 and... 393 00:20:47,978 --> 00:20:51,738 It's interesting because Oppenheimer had the particular danger of who 394 00:20:51,738 --> 00:20:56,038 and how he was in the world that it gave him a particular egoism to 395 00:20:56,038 --> 00:20:57,948 have him believe that that was okay. 396 00:20:57,958 --> 00:20:58,758 Yeah, it was put on a 397 00:20:58,758 --> 00:20:59,328 pedestal. 398 00:20:59,338 --> 00:21:03,268 Well, and it, it, it makes me think of the parable of the frog and the 399 00:21:03,268 --> 00:21:05,838 scorpion where the scorpion, you know, it's like, Hey, like, give 400 00:21:05,838 --> 00:21:07,348 me a ride across the river frog. 401 00:21:07,368 --> 00:21:09,268 And the frog was like, well, you're a scorpion. 402 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:09,978 You're going to sting me. 403 00:21:09,978 --> 00:21:10,808 Like I shouldn't do that. 404 00:21:10,808 --> 00:21:12,338 And he's like, no, why would I sting you? 405 00:21:12,338 --> 00:21:14,188 If I sting you, we both die. 406 00:21:14,198 --> 00:21:14,638 You know, that. 407 00:21:15,478 --> 00:21:16,428 Why would I do that? 408 00:21:16,508 --> 00:21:20,878 And frog's like, okay, frog gives him a ride halfway through scorpion stings. 409 00:21:20,878 --> 00:21:24,108 And the frog goes, what the fuck, man, we're both going to die now. 410 00:21:24,148 --> 00:21:26,268 And he's like, yeah, I'm a scorpion. 411 00:21:26,278 --> 00:21:27,928 Like, what did you think I was going to do? 412 00:21:29,328 --> 00:21:29,538 You know? 413 00:21:29,568 --> 00:21:31,528 And it's really important to understand that like. 414 00:21:32,011 --> 00:21:35,771 This is just the nature of what the individuals who wind up in 415 00:21:35,771 --> 00:21:39,111 politics wants because it's a power game and a power dynamic. 416 00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:42,561 So they're going to say whatever they need to say in order to be successful. 417 00:21:42,611 --> 00:21:43,041 Yeah, yeah. 418 00:21:43,091 --> 00:21:46,011 So it's like, I empathize towards Oppenheimer because it's important to 419 00:21:46,011 --> 00:21:50,371 understand that there was a whole class of powerful men who came to Oppenheimer 420 00:21:50,371 --> 00:21:54,631 and like, if you don't do this, we're all going to die because the Nazis 421 00:21:54,631 --> 00:21:59,211 get the bomb first and it's going to be a catastrophic and horrific thing. 422 00:21:59,926 --> 00:22:01,126 And what's really interesting is that... 423 00:22:01,146 --> 00:22:01,626 Which, in 424 00:22:01,666 --> 00:22:03,406 the end, it became anyway. 425 00:22:03,716 --> 00:22:04,256 Yeah! 426 00:22:04,576 --> 00:22:09,196 And like it, it almost became this sad unavoidability that, you know, 427 00:22:09,206 --> 00:22:12,516 because of the way that the conflict was escalating and how technology 428 00:22:12,526 --> 00:22:14,936 had offered its service in this way. 429 00:22:15,346 --> 00:22:16,506 Did you see the movie, by the way? 430 00:22:16,566 --> 00:22:17,236 No, I did not. 431 00:22:17,236 --> 00:22:17,596 Okay. 432 00:22:17,846 --> 00:22:18,630 Uh, I... 433 00:22:19,511 --> 00:22:24,651 I probably will at some point, but I just wasn't necessarily inspired. 434 00:22:24,861 --> 00:22:25,351 No, 435 00:22:25,481 --> 00:22:28,761 uh, I mean, it's what you'd expect from Nolan. 436 00:22:28,871 --> 00:22:30,991 I mean, it's, so it's well acted. 437 00:22:30,991 --> 00:22:32,711 The cinematography is great. 438 00:22:32,801 --> 00:22:36,991 I mean, a lot of the things about the movie is great, but it's somewhat, 439 00:22:37,121 --> 00:22:43,801 uh, unnecessarily convoluted because I think he sometimes does that for its own 440 00:22:43,801 --> 00:22:48,381 sake, you know, makes, makes the movies more complicated than they need to be. 441 00:22:48,691 --> 00:22:51,981 Okay, but yeah, overall, it's a very good movie, I would say. 442 00:22:52,391 --> 00:22:55,701 I also just kind of take issue with some general historic revisionisms that 443 00:22:55,711 --> 00:23:00,321 happens through Hollywood, and like it, I think it's a general inevitability, 444 00:23:00,881 --> 00:23:05,561 but I just find it, it dramatizes all of this in a way that I think it's... 445 00:23:06,181 --> 00:23:09,491 It's really important to understand that like when Oppenheimer was 446 00:23:09,491 --> 00:23:12,121 doing this, like he had no idea if he was going to be successful. 447 00:23:12,121 --> 00:23:15,551 He didn't understand the consequences of it, which I think for Oppenheimer 448 00:23:15,551 --> 00:23:17,201 particularly is important of that. 449 00:23:17,291 --> 00:23:21,085 Uh, I think it's really interesting because in the actual literature, he 450 00:23:21,085 --> 00:23:25,078 says that the quote about, you know, I am becoming Shiva, the destroyer of 451 00:23:25,078 --> 00:23:29,708 worlds, he said that that specifically came to him, not that he thought it, but 452 00:23:29,708 --> 00:23:31,958 that like, that's what came into him. 453 00:23:32,018 --> 00:23:32,788 So that's a quote 454 00:23:32,788 --> 00:23:34,278 from, uh, who, who wrote that? 455 00:23:34,278 --> 00:23:34,768 The Bhattagravita. 456 00:23:35,178 --> 00:23:36,848 Yeah, the Bhattagravita, yeah, yeah. 457 00:23:37,018 --> 00:23:37,128 You 458 00:23:37,128 --> 00:23:39,948 know, and, and, and I think that that's of particular importance just 459 00:23:39,948 --> 00:23:45,028 because when he witnessed the horrific destruction it could entail, he realized 460 00:23:45,038 --> 00:23:46,578 the, the fundamental truth of that. 461 00:23:46,578 --> 00:23:47,868 Like he was engaging. 462 00:23:48,318 --> 00:23:52,818 And some very serious metaphysical stuff that could destroy humanity on 463 00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:54,859 a whole. 464 00:23:54,909 --> 00:23:58,599 There's a quote from the movie, there's a near zero chance that we might 465 00:23:58,629 --> 00:24:02,139 destroy the entire planet because we might set off a chain reaction. 466 00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:05,729 Well, like, to me, this is one of the places we're at today that I think 467 00:24:05,729 --> 00:24:10,829 is so important with where panoptic technology is at and with where the 468 00:24:10,829 --> 00:24:12,539 developments of AI is at, is that right? 469 00:24:12,539 --> 00:24:12,849 Yeah, yeah. 470 00:24:13,714 --> 00:24:17,964 These are very, very powerful and very, very dangerous tools that, 471 00:24:18,054 --> 00:24:22,634 uh, we have put them in the hands of morons that have politicized it. 472 00:24:23,174 --> 00:24:27,714 And furthermore, like we're already seeing what the structures 473 00:24:27,724 --> 00:24:29,184 look like when implemented. 474 00:24:29,254 --> 00:24:31,904 And like, I always like to point out that the Uyghur genocide going on 475 00:24:31,904 --> 00:24:38,054 in China, like this is the perfect genocide because they realize that it's 476 00:24:38,054 --> 00:24:41,144 different from what happened in the Holocaust because they're not trying to 477 00:24:41,144 --> 00:24:43,654 actually just destroy an entire people. 478 00:24:44,164 --> 00:24:48,174 And the reason why is that they found, utilizing both propaganda and 479 00:24:48,174 --> 00:24:51,854 technology, why should you destroy these perfectly useful bodies? 480 00:24:52,264 --> 00:24:54,534 What you need to do is hollow them out first. 481 00:24:54,974 --> 00:24:58,954 And so once you can thoroughly destroy people's culture, when you can totally 482 00:24:58,954 --> 00:25:03,374 surveil them at all points in time without them knowing when or where, you can 483 00:25:03,374 --> 00:25:05,024 actually just liquidate their culture. 484 00:25:05,604 --> 00:25:08,474 Propagandize them to make them into good little Chinese citizens, 485 00:25:08,764 --> 00:25:11,264 and you release them back out into the world to be your slaves. 486 00:25:11,684 --> 00:25:15,804 And now, now you have the perfect genocide, because you've liquidated the 487 00:25:15,804 --> 00:25:20,634 actual identity of a people's, and you've replaced it with a national identity. 488 00:25:20,984 --> 00:25:24,204 Yeah, yeah, you turned, you turned people into dogs, basically. 489 00:25:24,214 --> 00:25:25,134 Yeah, yeah, 490 00:25:25,284 --> 00:25:25,334 yeah. 491 00:25:25,334 --> 00:25:28,974 You know, and as we were joking earlier, Ben's version of dog is God. 492 00:25:29,304 --> 00:25:30,234 And this is, you know... 493 00:25:30,539 --> 00:25:35,339 This is how you get a subservient population that acts like dogs to a god 494 00:25:35,339 --> 00:25:38,419 of the state is by doing this process 495 00:25:38,419 --> 00:25:38,769 to them. 496 00:25:39,459 --> 00:25:44,609 And this appeal to some type of authority seems to be inherited in people. 497 00:25:44,609 --> 00:25:48,159 And I know, like the, I buy the argument for. 498 00:25:48,879 --> 00:25:53,559 Uh, religious belief that it's better to believe in a, you know, guy in the sky 499 00:25:53,809 --> 00:25:59,019 than a guy on earth, because a guy on earth is way more dangerous than, but, but 500 00:25:59,019 --> 00:26:03,169 I think the, the, the core issue is like this appeal to authority to exist at all. 501 00:26:03,429 --> 00:26:04,179 And it seems like. 502 00:26:04,744 --> 00:26:08,104 A majority of people, it's inherent in them. 503 00:26:08,104 --> 00:26:12,814 They need this, you know, they need someone to tell them what to do. 504 00:26:12,824 --> 00:26:17,374 It's like, uh, they're lost without a, uh, not without the compass, 505 00:26:17,374 --> 00:26:19,124 but without the compass salesman. 506 00:26:19,814 --> 00:26:20,464 You know what I mean? 507 00:26:20,554 --> 00:26:20,804 Sure. 508 00:26:20,854 --> 00:26:24,314 And, and compass salesmen are, are dangerous. 509 00:26:24,934 --> 00:26:26,224 One, I, I think that the... 510 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:29,879 This, again, is a product of our general world, because I think, as we 511 00:26:29,929 --> 00:26:34,039 see with Bitcoiners, when you're part of a culture where it encourages self 512 00:26:34,049 --> 00:26:38,779 thought and the ability to rely on yourself and to think for yourself, 513 00:26:39,429 --> 00:26:43,209 that's like a muscle that people can work and cultivate for themselves, and when 514 00:26:43,209 --> 00:26:46,829 you're in a bigger community that does that, you've now elevated this behavior 515 00:26:46,829 --> 00:26:49,039 to be an honorable and virtuous thing. 516 00:26:49,059 --> 00:26:49,319 Yeah. 517 00:26:49,829 --> 00:26:52,999 And so this is one of the things that gives me great hope is that, uh, 518 00:26:53,389 --> 00:26:57,679 like as many NPCs are out there and as dangerous and destructive as it 519 00:26:57,689 --> 00:27:01,929 is without being able to have people think for themselves, this is all a 520 00:27:01,929 --> 00:27:09,174 product of pliable people that have been manipulated on under, under terms of 521 00:27:09,174 --> 00:27:11,524 both duress and promises of good stuff. 522 00:27:11,614 --> 00:27:14,234 And this is one of the things I always find the most intriguing about talking 523 00:27:14,234 --> 00:27:19,897 with NPCs about their perspectives is that they, they always have a very optimistic 524 00:27:19,907 --> 00:27:23,017 and hopeful viewpoint that trusts. 525 00:27:23,677 --> 00:27:26,457 The goodness in the other, which is like that. 526 00:27:26,467 --> 00:27:30,757 That's a really great thing that we need to have, but we absolutely need 527 00:27:30,767 --> 00:27:34,479 to make sure that that isn't polluted with just a general appeal to authority. 528 00:27:34,564 --> 00:27:37,064 That's, I have a point on, on, on this one. 529 00:27:37,184 --> 00:27:39,794 This is, this is like a thing in, in. 530 00:27:40,484 --> 00:27:43,864 The vision of where Bitcoin is going to take us that I still 531 00:27:43,924 --> 00:27:46,184 somewhat can't get my head around. 532 00:27:46,484 --> 00:27:51,984 And it is that if we, if we do fix the monetary system and get that all 533 00:27:51,994 --> 00:27:55,904 working fine, and its incentives are good and everything and reduce the size 534 00:27:55,904 --> 00:27:59,094 of government and all this, what do we still do about people who are just going 535 00:27:59,104 --> 00:28:01,704 to still ignore that and be aggressive? 536 00:28:01,704 --> 00:28:06,844 And even though the incentives might be reduced towards aggression, there 537 00:28:06,844 --> 00:28:08,019 are still people who ignore them. 538 00:28:08,329 --> 00:28:12,799 Just naturally wants to take, and I mean, I'll be specific as 539 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,189 well, like, it's a male thing. 540 00:28:14,849 --> 00:28:19,519 The way I see it is that what you remove is the smart criminals. 541 00:28:19,779 --> 00:28:23,449 You don't remove the stupid criminals, like, that are gonna just, you 542 00:28:23,449 --> 00:28:26,219 know, go to a football game and kick the shit out of one another. 543 00:28:26,459 --> 00:28:28,579 Because they supported the wrong team or whatever. 544 00:28:28,939 --> 00:28:32,529 So that will probably still be around, just this, ooh, brute aggressivity. 545 00:28:35,034 --> 00:28:41,134 But still, a clever person will realize that if you don't know how much another 546 00:28:41,134 --> 00:28:44,584 person owns, and you can't really take it by force, because it's in 547 00:28:44,584 --> 00:28:49,724 their heads, so you can't kill them, then no one gets anything, what game 548 00:28:49,724 --> 00:28:51,624 theory tells us about that is like, uh. 549 00:28:52,539 --> 00:28:57,279 At best, you get away with 50 percent of that person's Bitcoin, so it's probably 550 00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,989 better to, to interact peacefully. 551 00:28:58,989 --> 00:29:02,249 So, so you, like, remove the, the real dangerous people, the 552 00:29:02,249 --> 00:29:06,719 psychopaths, the, the people in charge that conduct world wars and so on. 553 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:09,939 So that's what you take away, but petty crime, like... 554 00:29:10,534 --> 00:29:16,674 Uh, there will, of course, still be teenagers, and there will be grunts, 555 00:29:16,844 --> 00:29:19,874 people in British pubs saying oi, you 556 00:29:19,874 --> 00:29:20,244 know. 557 00:29:20,474 --> 00:29:21,374 What was the example 558 00:29:21,384 --> 00:29:22,154 you were going to use? 559 00:29:22,924 --> 00:29:27,454 What I was thinking of is that, uh, our friend Joni was telling me a 560 00:29:27,514 --> 00:29:30,214 little bit about this, that there have been some gang attacks in 561 00:29:30,214 --> 00:29:32,074 Sweden, where people have like... 562 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:35,359 Chopped off fingers or something if they don't give them 563 00:29:35,369 --> 00:29:36,599 whatever they're looking for. 564 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:38,799 And like, it's just dark stuff, right? 565 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:43,449 And, and, and I think, what was I latching onto from, from what you said? 566 00:29:43,459 --> 00:29:48,309 It, it's, it's just, it's something, it's something like, where are we headed? 567 00:29:49,579 --> 00:29:56,149 I still don't see the solution where, uh, It's not exactly about solving the, the 568 00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:58,789 issue of human nature towards violence. 569 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:03,419 It's more like, what structures are we going to still need to have that 570 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,379 look a lot like today's governments? 571 00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:09,859 Like, that's, that's the, the, the thing that still gets me. 572 00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:15,049 And, and I'm not even thinking in the, in the vein of, of that we're going to need 573 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:16,799 some kind of actual daddy government. 574 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:17,819 That's not what I'm thinking. 575 00:30:17,819 --> 00:30:18,339 We're gonna need 576 00:30:18,349 --> 00:30:18,809 law. 577 00:30:18,899 --> 00:30:21,059 Well, yeah, and I think that the... 578 00:30:22,189 --> 00:30:25,169 This is where stuff gets really interesting, because where we're at 579 00:30:25,169 --> 00:30:29,929 right now is so extremely rudimentary in terms of the form of law that 580 00:30:29,939 --> 00:30:33,399 Bitcoin provides, because it's essentially all transactional right now. 581 00:30:33,959 --> 00:30:36,889 But one of the things that I imagine is using something like, 582 00:30:36,959 --> 00:30:40,589 like, mini scripts or mven or whatever multisig scheme you want. 583 00:30:41,099 --> 00:30:44,989 That there's essentially an ability to put your money into that multisig scheme. 584 00:30:44,999 --> 00:30:49,739 Guy shows up to cut off my fingers and I go, look, you can look at the address, 585 00:30:49,769 --> 00:30:51,159 you can see how much money is there. 586 00:30:51,399 --> 00:30:53,869 This isn't a multisig that I don't control. 587 00:30:54,099 --> 00:30:57,659 And because you asked me to put my password first, I put in actually, 588 00:30:57,739 --> 00:31:02,459 uh, like a panic password, that that has now messaged all of the 589 00:31:02,459 --> 00:31:04,639 other owners of these private keys. 590 00:31:04,729 --> 00:31:04,979 Yeah. 591 00:31:05,019 --> 00:31:09,959 And they know if they show up within the next block with a shotgun to kill you, 592 00:31:10,379 --> 00:31:12,789 Uh, they're gonna get the amount of money. 593 00:31:13,624 --> 00:31:15,764 You know, they're going to get 10 percent of the wallet or 594 00:31:15,774 --> 00:31:17,794 however much we've agreed upon. 595 00:31:18,094 --> 00:31:20,554 And also that's fluid based upon how quick they respond, 596 00:31:20,564 --> 00:31:21,744 who they are, where they're at. 597 00:31:22,374 --> 00:31:27,134 And essentially, like, I think what we're going to do vis a vis cryptography and 598 00:31:27,134 --> 00:31:31,964 essentially with the time chain as this backbone to sort of keep truth within. 599 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:36,309 The sort of law that we're going to implement, we're going to create a 600 00:31:36,309 --> 00:31:40,769 new form of law that utilizes the cryptographic protocol in such a way that 601 00:31:40,769 --> 00:31:44,609 we're going to start playing with it and doing these really interesting things. 602 00:31:44,629 --> 00:31:48,629 And it's funny, this reminds me of a quote from my favorite philosopher, who 603 00:31:48,629 --> 00:31:54,129 I based most of my work off of, Giorgio Ambighen, and he says that And this is 604 00:31:54,129 --> 00:31:57,829 kind of paraphrasing, but essentially it's like, when humanity starts to play 605 00:31:57,829 --> 00:32:03,229 with law as like a disused object, similar to how children play with a disused 606 00:32:03,579 --> 00:32:10,109 object, we can return law, not in order to restore it to its canonical use, but 607 00:32:10,109 --> 00:32:12,209 in order to free us from it for good. 608 00:32:12,959 --> 00:32:17,789 And so to me, like, the great problem with law today is it represents a raw and 609 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:22,659 thoughtless form of authoritarianism that has nothing to do with the law at all. 610 00:32:23,179 --> 00:32:28,249 The law is actually about the consensus of what we agree upon to be the law, and 611 00:32:28,249 --> 00:32:34,539 it's very, very important to understand what the law is in its traditional form, 612 00:32:34,539 --> 00:32:38,839 as it is the traditional idea of what... 613 00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:40,509 Laws supposed to be. 614 00:32:40,529 --> 00:32:43,689 So, first of all, common wealth, that's literally what Bitcoin is. 615 00:32:43,689 --> 00:32:46,499 It is a wealth that we hold in common because it provides a 616 00:32:46,529 --> 00:32:48,599 unitary form of law for both of us. 617 00:32:49,339 --> 00:32:51,729 But even more interesting is the Latin translation of 618 00:32:51,729 --> 00:32:53,489 common wealth is res publica. 619 00:32:54,009 --> 00:32:55,999 This means the public thing. 620 00:32:56,929 --> 00:32:59,579 And what's interesting is that the law is the most public 621 00:32:59,579 --> 00:33:01,179 of all things to all people. 622 00:33:01,764 --> 00:33:05,064 And we live in a world today where we don't have a law anymore. 623 00:33:05,244 --> 00:33:09,054 There is a two tiered society where there are some people that can get away 624 00:33:09,054 --> 00:33:11,474 with the most heinous of all crimes. 625 00:33:12,014 --> 00:33:18,234 And most particularly, the 20th century was a story of multiple genocides where 626 00:33:18,234 --> 00:33:23,784 hundreds of millions of people were killed and not a single individual was murdered. 627 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,559 That's extremely important to understand that a hu hundreds of millions of people 628 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:34,729 were destroyed and deprived of their life, but not a single human was murdered. 629 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:38,359 Because murder is a legal crime. 630 00:33:38,879 --> 00:33:43,589 And not a single Jew was killed in the holocaust was illegal. 631 00:33:43,719 --> 00:33:46,709 Because they were all stripped of citizen citizenship. 632 00:33:47,549 --> 00:33:51,759 And that made sure that they had no access to the law in and of itself. 633 00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:56,519 This is where we are at today, and I also believe that the crimes that 634 00:33:56,529 --> 00:34:00,189 happened in World War II were so extreme and significant that it, it 635 00:34:00,299 --> 00:34:06,359 obliterated the law totally, because it showed that once you had psychopaths 636 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:11,409 in charge of a nation state, they could utilize the, the policies of the 637 00:34:11,409 --> 00:34:14,679 state to destroy other populations of people, and we've witnessed so, uh... 638 00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:23,919 What about the case for optimism, though? 639 00:34:23,989 --> 00:34:25,159 So, like, we, uh... 640 00:34:25,429 --> 00:34:25,899 I'm always 641 00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:27,189 so dark that people really 642 00:34:27,809 --> 00:34:28,409 need to press that. 643 00:34:28,509 --> 00:34:29,099 Yeah, yeah. 644 00:34:29,099 --> 00:34:33,169 So, so, because the way, a way to look at this is like, we have 645 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,399 Bitcoin, we have social media. 646 00:34:35,469 --> 00:34:39,419 Sure, you can be shadow banned and you can have a harder time reaching the 647 00:34:39,419 --> 00:34:40,969 person you want to reach and whatever. 648 00:34:41,009 --> 00:34:41,669 But still... 649 00:34:42,569 --> 00:34:45,829 Even the flawed social media platforms we have today, and then 650 00:34:47,059 --> 00:34:52,009 Nostr and other alternatives are blossoming slowly but surely as well. 651 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:55,749 But we have those tools and like post. 652 00:34:56,104 --> 00:35:01,304 COVID or post the lockdowns, uh, zoom calls and, and, uh, stuff have 653 00:35:01,304 --> 00:35:06,064 become insane, insanely, but much better than they were pre COVID. 654 00:35:06,134 --> 00:35:10,224 Like no one was really doing zoom calls on a daily basis 655 00:35:10,224 --> 00:35:12,074 before, before the lockdowns. 656 00:35:12,584 --> 00:35:15,264 So that sort of forced us to develop this technology. 657 00:35:15,294 --> 00:35:16,944 And now you can reach any person. 658 00:35:18,469 --> 00:35:21,929 Regardless of where they are on the globe, I mean, we can record a podcast 659 00:35:22,009 --> 00:35:27,859 with Rob, for instance, when he's in Hawaii, with no lag, and the program we 660 00:35:27,859 --> 00:35:33,419 use, the AIs are so good now, and there's a race to become the dominant software 661 00:35:33,439 --> 00:35:38,339 for stuff like this, so the program can edit this stuff for us, cut out the 662 00:35:38,339 --> 00:35:43,804 noise, you know, and, you know, Uh, if we have two cameras, it, it, it, uh, 663 00:35:43,864 --> 00:35:48,224 switches to the other, the person that's about to talk before he starts talking. 664 00:35:48,224 --> 00:35:50,024 All of this stuff is happening in real time. 665 00:35:50,024 --> 00:35:55,894 It's the, the, the speed of the technology improvements is just insane. 666 00:35:55,914 --> 00:35:57,394 How, how good that is. 667 00:35:57,824 --> 00:35:59,714 And so all those tools are there. 668 00:35:59,734 --> 00:36:01,874 And yeah, and you add Bitcoin to that. 669 00:36:01,904 --> 00:36:04,804 It's just all the tools are there. 670 00:36:04,844 --> 00:36:10,419 I, I talked to the, um, So my friend Christian, the founder of BTCX, the 671 00:36:10,419 --> 00:36:14,149 oldest Swedish exchange about, and he gave me some numbers of how many 672 00:36:14,149 --> 00:36:15,979 customers they have had over the years. 673 00:36:16,359 --> 00:36:19,259 And he said around 300, 000. 674 00:36:19,309 --> 00:36:21,259 And there's another big Swedish exchange. 675 00:36:21,659 --> 00:36:26,049 And so if you take into account that there might be some customers that use 676 00:36:26,209 --> 00:36:29,139 both services, but they're about as big. 677 00:36:29,229 --> 00:36:31,679 So add another hundred thousand, that's 400, 000. 678 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:33,759 And let's say there's a hundred thousand people that bought 679 00:36:33,759 --> 00:36:35,419 off of other exchanges or... 680 00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:36,459 Freedom's 681 00:36:36,459 --> 00:36:37,059 population. 682 00:36:37,434 --> 00:36:38,004 10 million. 683 00:36:38,214 --> 00:36:38,454 Okay. 684 00:36:38,604 --> 00:36:44,364 So it's 5% of the population that has the power to pay people in Bitcoin 685 00:36:44,544 --> 00:36:49,314 because they all own Bitcoin and a hundred percent of the population has the 686 00:36:49,314 --> 00:36:52,134 ability to, to uh, uh, receive Bitcoin. 687 00:36:52,834 --> 00:36:56,184 So the, the, the economy's already there. 688 00:36:56,694 --> 00:36:56,784 ? Mm-hmm. 689 00:36:57,084 --> 00:36:58,224 . We just have to tap into it. 690 00:36:58,224 --> 00:37:01,164 And people just have to start accepting Bitcoin for the goods and services. 691 00:37:01,164 --> 00:37:03,104 And you are out. 692 00:37:03,224 --> 00:37:05,084 You don't have to worry about the government anymore. 693 00:37:05,384 --> 00:37:07,784 like, it's, it's really that simple. 694 00:37:07,784 --> 00:37:09,014 And if you add all the. 695 00:37:09,594 --> 00:37:12,654 You know, as you were alluding to the multisigs and the coinjoins 696 00:37:12,654 --> 00:37:16,624 and whatnot, and like all these technologies, they are already there. 697 00:37:16,634 --> 00:37:21,584 And the, the educational platforms and the, the content that is out 698 00:37:21,584 --> 00:37:24,414 there, you, you can learn how to be a sovereign individual. 699 00:37:24,474 --> 00:37:31,354 I mean, I'm working on a, um, a course, um, based on my praxeology book on 700 00:37:31,394 --> 00:37:33,964 a platform called, uh, Emeralize. 701 00:37:34,779 --> 00:37:40,259 Uh, which is like Udemy and, um, uh, powered by, uh, Lightning. 702 00:37:40,839 --> 00:37:44,529 So it's a cross between Udemy and maybe Substack. 703 00:37:44,659 --> 00:37:44,999 Yeah. 704 00:37:45,479 --> 00:37:51,409 Uh, and this course is going to be a part of a master's program in self sovereignty. 705 00:37:51,479 --> 00:37:53,739 Like, and this is not the only thing. 706 00:37:53,739 --> 00:37:58,349 I'm just a tiny part of, and Emerlize is also just a tiny part of this. 707 00:37:59,479 --> 00:38:01,689 Ecosystem that is building around this thing. 708 00:38:01,989 --> 00:38:06,349 So I think there's a great case to be made for, you know, we've got this. 709 00:38:06,549 --> 00:38:09,549 Everyone in this community knows that CBDCs are shit. 710 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,709 And we know that like, there are ways around all these things. 711 00:38:12,729 --> 00:38:16,259 And once, I mean, people are going to look at us like. 712 00:38:16,629 --> 00:38:18,659 Uh, . Look at those guys. 713 00:38:18,659 --> 00:38:21,629 They seem to be happy and like not worried about stuff. 714 00:38:21,629 --> 00:38:28,319 And, and that's gonna, it smittens people, like, uh, so, so I think, 715 00:38:28,589 --> 00:38:32,219 and I think there's, that's smittens, is that even a word? 716 00:38:32,489 --> 00:38:34,149 Uh, To be ssm, yeah. 717 00:38:34,339 --> 00:38:34,629 Yeah. 718 00:38:34,629 --> 00:38:34,909 To Besm. 719 00:38:35,309 --> 00:38:39,659 That's the word now, , that is important because, uh, that's how 720 00:38:39,659 --> 00:38:41,309 we grow the community and like the. 721 00:38:41,929 --> 00:38:47,919 Spreading this optimism about the future, like, because being angry at stuff, 722 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:53,339 and, and, you know, just focusing on, oh, this was so fucking bad, and this 723 00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:57,299 is so fucking bad, and we, we need to, to, uh, fight this, and we need 724 00:38:57,299 --> 00:39:01,269 to, well, just don't worry about it, it's okay, don't retweet shit corners, 725 00:39:01,569 --> 00:39:05,759 don't, don't promote governments, don't even talk about it, just show people 726 00:39:06,304 --> 00:39:12,064 There's a way to live life without worries, because you've got a tiny stack 727 00:39:12,064 --> 00:39:13,494 and you know it's gonna last forever, 728 00:39:13,504 --> 00:39:13,974 like. 729 00:39:14,034 --> 00:39:17,554 No, I mean, there's a great point, particularly for like the angry rant guy. 730 00:39:17,564 --> 00:39:20,394 It's probably pretty important for me to emphasize that like. 731 00:39:21,514 --> 00:39:25,014 Uh, I, I feel a greater amount of hope than I've ever felt 732 00:39:25,054 --> 00:39:26,904 and every day it grows more. 733 00:39:26,914 --> 00:39:27,594 Good to hear it. 734 00:39:27,594 --> 00:39:32,914 And you said at the beginning, uh, you, you'd use the word bloom and that hooked 735 00:39:32,914 --> 00:39:36,814 me because I think right now we're going through a renaissance that is a 736 00:39:36,814 --> 00:39:41,564 bloom of ideas that are exploding and, and there are so many things going on 737 00:39:41,644 --> 00:39:45,424 and it's growing and like you said, we have all the technology, the ability, 738 00:39:45,464 --> 00:39:48,004 so much is just an educational aspect. 739 00:39:49,044 --> 00:39:52,994 And so maybe I'm mistaken, but. 740 00:39:55,134 --> 00:39:58,194 Maybe that gap is going to be much shorter than we think. 741 00:39:58,214 --> 00:40:03,684 And I think there's a pretty strong argument to say that it will be shorter 742 00:40:03,684 --> 00:40:09,404 just because we have such a pliable herd population that once where they 743 00:40:09,404 --> 00:40:12,874 actually see that like fiat has been defeated and that Bitcoin is here. 744 00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:13,494 Yeah. 745 00:40:13,494 --> 00:40:16,424 And I love pointing out that like the word evangelical in Latin 746 00:40:16,424 --> 00:40:18,594 means the bringer of good news. 747 00:40:18,654 --> 00:40:19,984 And that's what we're doing as Bitcoiners. 748 00:40:20,004 --> 00:40:22,214 We're bringing the good news of what Bitcoin is. 749 00:40:22,924 --> 00:40:25,524 And it could be very possible that all of these evil forces 750 00:40:25,544 --> 00:40:26,914 see this and they go, Oh shit. 751 00:40:26,914 --> 00:40:29,374 Like, Oh, like our, our, the game's up. 752 00:40:29,394 --> 00:40:31,214 I guess we got to play nice now. 753 00:40:31,934 --> 00:40:36,084 Um, but in addition to that, This is all initiated through a totally 754 00:40:36,084 --> 00:40:39,844 new form of thought that is the self responsibility to think for yourself. 755 00:40:40,344 --> 00:40:44,624 And like that, that's causing for this extraordinary bloom that, you 756 00:40:44,624 --> 00:40:48,424 know, like I think Fiat Jaffe even said part of his inspiration for how 757 00:40:48,424 --> 00:40:53,004 he built Nostar was seeing how the Bitcoin network operated and getting 758 00:40:53,004 --> 00:40:57,104 that, having that core cryptographic protocol at its core was what allowed it. 759 00:40:57,789 --> 00:41:01,119 You know, and so for me, what cryptosovereignty is, it's about the 760 00:41:01,149 --> 00:41:07,329 artistry of utilizing cryptography in this way to create new systems that 761 00:41:07,329 --> 00:41:09,259 we can utilize for self empowerment. 762 00:41:09,749 --> 00:41:12,819 And Nostar is an excellent example of that, you know, Tor 763 00:41:12,819 --> 00:41:14,089 is a great example of that. 764 00:41:14,409 --> 00:41:18,499 But what I want to see is pretty much the entire internet get rebuilt on 765 00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:20,269 top of cryptographic protocols like 766 00:41:20,429 --> 00:41:20,679 this. 767 00:41:21,134 --> 00:41:22,524 It should have been there all along. 768 00:41:22,534 --> 00:41:25,514 That's, that's something we have to, we sort of have to rebuild it. 769 00:43:33,254 --> 00:43:37,144 Okay, so this actually gets into like a, like a question that we've been 770 00:43:37,154 --> 00:43:39,314 going at with, with a few people. 771 00:43:39,314 --> 00:43:40,064 The Noster stuff? 772 00:43:40,184 --> 00:43:41,074 The Noster stuff. 773 00:43:41,142 --> 00:43:44,232 I think to, to your point, I think there's, there is a, like a kind of a 774 00:43:44,232 --> 00:43:49,882 general, uh, idea here about kind of these protocols that are built on cryptography, 775 00:43:49,882 --> 00:43:51,822 but they're not built on Bitcoin, right? 776 00:43:52,242 --> 00:43:58,002 So, so it's Bitcoin adjacent Nostra in that it heavily endorses the use of. 777 00:43:58,322 --> 00:44:03,702 Bitcoin zaps and using your Bitcoin private key to generate your, your 778 00:44:04,622 --> 00:44:08,982 Noster profile and all this, but, but it's not built on Bitcoin. 779 00:44:08,992 --> 00:44:10,582 It's, it is a separate protocol. 780 00:44:11,622 --> 00:44:18,922 Like, what is the role of the cryptography part in this? 781 00:44:18,932 --> 00:44:22,392 Like, how important is that part where Bitcoin fixes the money, but 782 00:44:22,392 --> 00:44:27,152 the cryptography kind of can do other things that are not Bitcoin? 783 00:44:27,577 --> 00:44:31,047 Uh, and I, I would guess you don't have like a shitcoin y perspective 784 00:44:31,047 --> 00:44:32,607 on this in the, in the sense of that. 785 00:44:32,727 --> 00:44:33,527 No, and 786 00:44:33,527 --> 00:44:37,007 like, one of the things I, I think is really important about understanding 787 00:44:37,007 --> 00:44:41,547 shitcoin ery is, is I reject shitcoin ery because it does not elevate 788 00:44:41,547 --> 00:44:44,797 itself to the position that Satoshi Nakamoto presented Bitcoin on. 789 00:44:45,267 --> 00:44:46,517 Look, like, if... 790 00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:51,377 If Ben Armstrong wants to issue Bencoin, and he wants it to get to a market 791 00:44:51,377 --> 00:44:54,967 cap of 10 billion dollars, and he doesn't spend a single cent of that, 792 00:44:55,267 --> 00:44:59,337 and the state doesn't destroy him, and he distributes it, and he does this 793 00:44:59,367 --> 00:45:03,792 bootstrap from the very beginning, like, Maybe there actually is merit to 794 00:45:03,792 --> 00:45:07,272 that and maybe it should be successful, but he absolutely didn't do that. 795 00:45:07,312 --> 00:45:11,682 Every single shit coin project has been a cash grab for the founders. 796 00:45:12,122 --> 00:45:15,832 No one has tried to actually emulate what Satoshi Nakamoto did. 797 00:45:16,112 --> 00:45:20,182 And even if they did, like the best example I can think of is, uh, 798 00:45:20,222 --> 00:45:23,702 GrinCoin tried to do a fair launch, had an anonymous founder, all that. 799 00:45:23,952 --> 00:45:27,932 And even with that, all the VCs fucking piled in and they all spun up AWS 800 00:45:27,932 --> 00:45:29,912 servers and it was a total shit show. 801 00:45:30,482 --> 00:45:30,972 So I think. 802 00:45:31,182 --> 00:45:34,832 What Satoshi Nakamoto accomplished at this point in time is fundamentally 803 00:45:34,862 --> 00:45:38,992 unachievable by shitcoins because of how he presented it and what he did 804 00:45:39,002 --> 00:45:42,472 to it, but furthermore, to get back to your question about cryptography 805 00:45:42,472 --> 00:45:46,832 itself, to me, this is the absolute key of all things, because He was. 806 00:45:48,462 --> 00:45:52,642 What allows for us to understand the supply of Bitcoin is the 807 00:45:52,672 --> 00:45:54,642 cryptographic proofs that are provided. 808 00:45:55,062 --> 00:45:58,932 If we didn't have those cryptographic proofs, there would be no way 809 00:45:58,932 --> 00:46:00,562 to actually tell otherwise. 810 00:46:00,602 --> 00:46:04,072 And so to me, it's about a technique of presenting information 811 00:46:04,432 --> 00:46:07,612 and then proofing it in such a way to say, look at the truth. 812 00:46:07,952 --> 00:46:11,712 That I've actually implemented here, and so Nostra does the same thing 813 00:46:11,712 --> 00:46:13,822 with having a chain of information. 814 00:46:14,202 --> 00:46:18,762 And so I'm extremely excited about seeing this generalized technique 815 00:46:18,782 --> 00:46:20,232 get applied to other places. 816 00:46:20,262 --> 00:46:23,302 Because what, what happens when we get a protocol for. 817 00:46:24,057 --> 00:46:28,977 Say, self encrypted VoIP, where you get to own your own servers, you know that 818 00:46:28,987 --> 00:46:34,152 the connection is going to be end to end encrypted, and like, again, this 819 00:46:34,152 --> 00:46:37,112 is one of the extraordinary things that happened in the concourse of 820 00:46:37,112 --> 00:46:43,382 human history, is up until the Diffel Hyman paper in, I think 1976, A New 821 00:46:43,382 --> 00:46:47,622 Direction in Cryptography, there was a single direction in cryptography that 822 00:46:47,622 --> 00:46:49,882 none of this shit was even possible. 823 00:46:49,902 --> 00:46:51,462 It didn't even seem possible. 824 00:46:51,502 --> 00:46:55,202 It was, You And this is one of those funny things is that like, I think if you were 825 00:46:55,202 --> 00:46:59,252 to go back, you know, a century ago and to talk with philosophers and to say, 826 00:46:59,252 --> 00:47:02,682 hey, there's this like magical space that you can ride into and talk to anybody on 827 00:47:02,682 --> 00:47:07,012 the planet, and they would just be like, like, what the fuck are you talking about? 828 00:47:07,042 --> 00:47:08,342 Like, this couldn't happen. 829 00:47:08,342 --> 00:47:09,342 It doesn't make any sense. 830 00:47:09,372 --> 00:47:10,962 There's no even point of thinking about it. 831 00:47:11,112 --> 00:47:11,652 Okay. 832 00:47:11,822 --> 00:47:14,242 Uh, the problem I have with all of this. 833 00:47:15,272 --> 00:47:20,272 Cryptography talk is this, uh, yeah, which was the title of Gigi's talk. 834 00:47:20,332 --> 00:47:21,692 Cryptography is not enough. 835 00:47:21,872 --> 00:47:22,482 Yeah, exactly. 836 00:47:22,854 --> 00:47:27,094 the thing I, like, it's all just numbers. 837 00:47:27,554 --> 00:47:29,904 It's all just information at its core. 838 00:47:29,914 --> 00:47:33,094 Bitcoin is just a bunch of on and off switches in a, in 839 00:47:33,094 --> 00:47:37,789 a specific 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 1. 840 00:47:37,999 --> 00:47:38,539 That's all it is. 841 00:47:39,129 --> 00:47:41,509 Communication through numbers. 842 00:47:42,766 --> 00:47:47,486 So Satoshi found a way to, to do numbers and communication in such a way that we 843 00:47:47,486 --> 00:47:53,716 figured out how to bootstrap a system that was, uh, that created a number 844 00:47:53,726 --> 00:47:56,726 that was resistant to replicability. 845 00:47:57,566 --> 00:48:04,136 So any attempt at replicating that discovery to me is redundant at best 846 00:48:04,916 --> 00:48:07,346 and a cheap cash grab for the most. 847 00:48:07,826 --> 00:48:10,466 Part because people are stupid and they don't realize that 848 00:48:10,466 --> 00:48:12,746 you can't copy un copyableness. 849 00:48:14,056 --> 00:48:17,496 So, so that's why I don't really get how the, all the other stuff 850 00:48:17,516 --> 00:48:23,106 comes in because this system already exists and this number, the Satoshi 851 00:48:23,746 --> 00:48:27,676 represents that it represents something that can't be replicated. 852 00:48:27,916 --> 00:48:32,186 So any attempt that, I mean, end to end encryption is fine, but it's 853 00:48:32,206 --> 00:48:37,598 not more valuable than, you know, the value lies in you being able 854 00:48:37,598 --> 00:48:42,538 to send a message and making sure that no third party can see it. 855 00:48:43,218 --> 00:48:46,278 But that's sort of end of story. 856 00:48:47,007 --> 00:48:50,990 um, economic incentives for a social media platform, for 857 00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:53,460 instance, like the users may all. 858 00:48:53,860 --> 00:48:59,140 Own their data, quote unquote, but, but they're still subject to whoever 859 00:48:59,180 --> 00:49:04,439 runs the relay that knows the relay or whatever, or like, I somewhat suspect 860 00:49:04,479 --> 00:49:09,499 that the same thing that happened to, uh, you know, the email protocol at SMT. 861 00:49:11,094 --> 00:49:17,224 And, and whatnot, all the other internet protocols that had no, you know, Bitcoin 862 00:49:17,234 --> 00:49:21,514 in the base layer that the same type of centralization may play out on all these 863 00:49:21,514 --> 00:49:24,514 other attempts at making it decentralized. 864 00:49:24,814 --> 00:49:30,104 Because the word decentralized, it gets thrown around like it's a trivial thing, 865 00:49:30,714 --> 00:49:32,744 but you know, decentralization is. 866 00:49:33,669 --> 00:49:39,129 First of all, subjective, like, I view decentralization differently 867 00:49:39,129 --> 00:49:42,959 than any other person and like everything else, it's subjective. 868 00:49:43,659 --> 00:49:48,809 And to me, Bitcoin is sufficiently decentralized because I saw 869 00:49:48,809 --> 00:49:51,039 the Segwit2x hard fork fail. 870 00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:57,029 That's the point in time for me that made me believe in this thing robustly. 871 00:49:57,029 --> 00:49:59,309 Like, holy shit, the users really are in charge. 872 00:49:59,309 --> 00:50:00,399 It is unchangeable. 873 00:50:02,234 --> 00:50:06,434 None of the other things that are, you know, throwing this cryptography 874 00:50:06,434 --> 00:50:10,334 buzzwords around and the word decentralization around have ever shown 875 00:50:10,334 --> 00:50:14,134 me something even remotely akin to that. 876 00:50:14,134 --> 00:50:15,674 Or like, like the mm-hmm. 877 00:50:15,814 --> 00:50:17,944 , the rejection of the Seg two X artwork. 878 00:50:17,944 --> 00:50:21,794 We, we haven't seen that anywhere else, so I don't really see how, 879 00:50:22,874 --> 00:50:27,484 how North Noster, for instance, can, uh, achieve something like that. 880 00:50:27,554 --> 00:50:30,874 It, it might, but at this point we, we. 881 00:50:31,074 --> 00:50:34,054 We have no clue if it will do that or if it will just turn 882 00:50:34,054 --> 00:50:35,754 into this centralized nightmare. 883 00:50:36,104 --> 00:50:39,394 Like, well, and I, I think one for Nostra that's really important to 884 00:50:39,394 --> 00:50:43,634 keep that question sort of open ended because I think up until we feel certain 885 00:50:43,634 --> 00:50:46,054 about it actually being decentralized. 886 00:50:46,714 --> 00:50:48,904 That, uh, that is a true 887 00:50:48,904 --> 00:50:49,354 open ended question. 888 00:50:49,364 --> 00:50:53,494 And right now it's sort of a taboo subject in the Bitcoin community because like, 889 00:50:53,514 --> 00:50:58,054 Oh, we got this new decentralized thing and Jack Dorsey's on board and we need 890 00:50:58,054 --> 00:51:02,514 to promote this thing and, you know, leave all the other networks without even 891 00:51:02,524 --> 00:51:06,204 having, without knowing where it's going. 892 00:51:07,214 --> 00:51:07,654 Or if it 893 00:51:07,654 --> 00:51:08,254 even works. 894 00:51:08,464 --> 00:51:12,244 It's interesting they sort of tap onto this idea of taboo subjects. 895 00:51:12,854 --> 00:51:15,224 Because like another great one that I think is taboo is, uh... 896 00:51:15,729 --> 00:51:16,559 Like El Salvador. 897 00:51:16,569 --> 00:51:19,319 Like I'm very suspicious of El Salvador and what they're doing. 898 00:51:19,329 --> 00:51:21,019 And of course it's a government. 899 00:51:21,379 --> 00:51:21,729 Yeah. 900 00:51:21,729 --> 00:51:25,219 Well, and like the, the idea of what Chivo Wallet is, is like, I think that this is 901 00:51:25,219 --> 00:51:29,369 a really great way to backdoor Bitcoiners and be able to create surveillance on 902 00:51:29,369 --> 00:51:33,819 a generalized chain, which, you know, essentially you use Chivo Wallet to 903 00:51:33,819 --> 00:51:38,159 then pollute all of the outside users that then gives you, uh, you know, a 904 00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:40,389 tainted perspective that you can utilize. 905 00:51:41,356 --> 00:51:47,588 Okay, another thought about I think what most people misinterpret about 906 00:51:47,638 --> 00:51:52,408 AI, and this comes a lot from deep diving into praxeology, that what, 907 00:51:52,528 --> 00:51:56,098 the thing AI lacks is agency. 908 00:51:57,073 --> 00:52:01,103 So, we don't even know if we have free will or not, like, I love the Hitchens 909 00:52:01,133 --> 00:52:05,983 quote, like, of course I have free will, I have no choice but to have it, 910 00:52:06,273 --> 00:52:12,893 but it certainly seems like if you take praxeology for a true science, which I 911 00:52:12,903 --> 00:52:17,313 happen to do, like, I think it's a very good framework for understanding the 912 00:52:17,313 --> 00:52:19,723 world, then you see that deliberate... 913 00:52:20,293 --> 00:52:23,103 In order for an action to be deliberate, there needs to be a, 914 00:52:23,163 --> 00:52:30,263 uh, it needs to be preceded by a felt uneasiness on the thing acting. 915 00:52:30,773 --> 00:52:34,763 Like so, in order for you to act, you need to feel somewhat uneasy. 916 00:52:35,093 --> 00:52:38,833 You imagine a future where you do a thing and you get into a better state. 917 00:52:38,893 --> 00:52:40,753 Like that's It's the pursuit of my desire. 918 00:52:40,753 --> 00:52:40,823 Yeah. 919 00:52:41,593 --> 00:52:43,153 There was a pursuit of your means and ends. 920 00:52:43,203 --> 00:52:46,303 Like that's the basis of all action, deliberate action. 921 00:52:46,873 --> 00:52:48,543 And an AI. 922 00:52:48,983 --> 00:52:50,333 It's absolutely not that. 923 00:52:50,363 --> 00:52:51,533 It can never be the master. 924 00:52:51,533 --> 00:52:52,593 It can only be the slave. 925 00:52:52,603 --> 00:52:54,633 It can never make decisions on its own. 926 00:52:55,093 --> 00:52:57,603 And people fear this general AI. 927 00:52:57,633 --> 00:53:02,533 What they really mean when they say general purpose AI is an AI with agency. 928 00:53:02,593 --> 00:53:04,683 Basically Skynet, Terminators, or whatever. 929 00:53:04,703 --> 00:53:05,073 Yeah. 930 00:53:05,413 --> 00:53:06,433 Or the Matrix. 931 00:53:06,683 --> 00:53:07,358 Like that it... 932 00:53:07,498 --> 00:53:12,048 All of a sudden it's, uh, consciousness pops up in it, in this string of 933 00:53:12,228 --> 00:53:16,248 ones and zeros, and all of a sudden it can make decisions by itself. 934 00:53:16,708 --> 00:53:18,218 Like right now it's not doing that. 935 00:53:18,238 --> 00:53:23,148 It's making micro decisions about whatever you're prompted to do, but 936 00:53:23,148 --> 00:53:28,003 it's never acting out of Uh, because of a felt uneasiness, because it doesn't 937 00:53:28,003 --> 00:53:30,093 feel anything as far as we know anyway. 938 00:53:30,223 --> 00:53:30,573 Sure. 939 00:53:30,593 --> 00:53:35,393 And so, so I think that's what the fears about it are exaggerated 940 00:53:35,403 --> 00:53:36,953 because of exactly that. 941 00:53:37,053 --> 00:53:38,423 It doesn't have agency. 942 00:53:38,453 --> 00:53:40,113 It doesn't know what it wants. 943 00:53:40,423 --> 00:53:41,953 Like, it doesn't want anything. 944 00:53:42,033 --> 00:53:42,453 Well, to, 945 00:53:42,623 --> 00:53:47,338 to be fair, first of all, The, the people that are really worried 946 00:53:47,338 --> 00:53:50,508 about it, um, they're retarded. 947 00:53:52,248 --> 00:53:53,208 They're midwits. 948 00:53:53,258 --> 00:53:56,968 And, well, like, this is the same people who utilize the term hacker, 949 00:53:57,008 --> 00:54:01,158 who like, hacking is a magical way that you just get access to information, 950 00:54:01,168 --> 00:54:04,048 and they don't realize, no, it's like flawed security protocols. 951 00:54:04,098 --> 00:54:04,418 Yeah. 952 00:54:04,773 --> 00:54:08,223 And so to me, AI is like a meta tenche, you know, like it's a 953 00:54:08,223 --> 00:54:10,393 technique that we can apply stuff to. 954 00:54:10,423 --> 00:54:13,193 And it's really valuable because, you know, like if you need to build 955 00:54:13,193 --> 00:54:15,763 out a database from your coding, instead of doing that, you just go, 956 00:54:15,763 --> 00:54:17,993 yo, ChadGBT, like build my database. 957 00:54:18,003 --> 00:54:18,253 Yeah. 958 00:54:18,273 --> 00:54:18,953 Super valuable. 959 00:54:18,973 --> 00:54:19,393 Great. 960 00:54:20,353 --> 00:54:24,223 The big problem I think is that, again, with people are retarded, 961 00:54:24,273 --> 00:54:26,963 that there are people out there specifically in government who are 962 00:54:26,963 --> 00:54:31,793 like, Hey, like, let's plug this AI thing, like, into our surveillance 963 00:54:31,803 --> 00:54:36,133 system and, like, have it locate all the people that we think are bad. 964 00:54:36,543 --> 00:54:38,543 You know, I'm like, what's a, what's a bad person? 965 00:54:38,573 --> 00:54:40,503 Uh, like, somebody carrying a gun. 966 00:54:40,543 --> 00:54:42,653 Like, that's a bad per you know, I'm like Yeah, yeah, yeah. 967 00:54:42,703 --> 00:54:47,573 And so, like, I'm afraid that the general idiocy of people who don't understand 968 00:54:47,573 --> 00:54:51,473 technology, which, again, is the vast majority of government, are going to 969 00:54:51,483 --> 00:54:54,423 essentially implement these things with no idea about what they're doing. 970 00:54:54,793 --> 00:54:58,253 And, to be clear, We've already seen that happen in the United States, like, 971 00:54:59,333 --> 00:55:03,383 the, I, I forget, and I'm very sorry for this because this person needs to 972 00:55:03,393 --> 00:55:06,863 be honored and respected, the individual that recently leaked the data from the 973 00:55:06,863 --> 00:55:12,693 United States showing that 90 percent of the people that were fucking murdering 974 00:55:12,723 --> 00:55:15,853 with goddamn drone bombs, that AI. 975 00:55:19,383 --> 00:55:24,973 Like, literally people are being destroyed by a fucking machine saying, Yeah, I'm 976 00:55:24,973 --> 00:55:30,223 pretty sure that those brown people need to die because I'm 8 miles away, You 977 00:55:30,223 --> 00:55:33,243 know, 3, 000 or 30, 000 feet in the air. 978 00:55:34,013 --> 00:55:37,643 Like, that's a very special kind of insanity that's deeply worrying. 979 00:55:37,653 --> 00:55:42,243 And so, it's not AI at all, it's the fucking retards behind 980 00:55:42,243 --> 00:55:42,613 the AI. 981 00:55:42,753 --> 00:55:46,323 This, this reminds me so much of a particular scene from the 982 00:55:46,333 --> 00:55:50,513 Oppenheimer movie and it's where they pick the targets for the bombs. 983 00:55:50,833 --> 00:55:55,483 Like, so they're in this room and they're like, uh, how do we demonstrate how 984 00:55:55,533 --> 00:55:58,223 fantastic our wonderful new bomb is? 985 00:55:58,643 --> 00:56:01,223 And they're like, oh, we should choose a military target. 986 00:56:01,593 --> 00:56:03,723 Nah, but it needs to make bigger headlines. 987 00:56:03,743 --> 00:56:05,653 Let's use, oh, Hiroshima. 988 00:56:05,703 --> 00:56:06,503 That sounds nice. 989 00:56:06,503 --> 00:56:08,583 Like, and okay, Nagasaki as well. 990 00:56:08,603 --> 00:56:13,493 So like, and then boom, boom, 210, 000 people die from a 991 00:56:13,553 --> 00:56:15,603 split second decision like that. 992 00:56:15,683 --> 00:56:21,053 And I don't know how historically accurate that actually is, but still the. 993 00:56:21,168 --> 00:56:25,488 This is the problem of human incentives that needs to be solved. 994 00:56:25,488 --> 00:56:30,878 There needs to be a way to prevent some guy in a room from making a split second 995 00:56:30,878 --> 00:56:33,198 decision that kills 210, 000 people. 996 00:56:33,208 --> 00:56:33,448 Like, 997 00:56:33,468 --> 00:56:33,688 that's... 998 00:56:34,128 --> 00:56:38,008 I would like to point out before you go any further, the truth is actually much 999 00:56:38,018 --> 00:56:42,718 more horrific, because what happened was after the first bomb was dropped... 1000 00:56:42,788 --> 00:56:43,038 Yeah. 1001 00:56:43,703 --> 00:56:48,433 They were given a 48 hour window to give an absolute and unconditional surrender, 1002 00:56:48,643 --> 00:56:53,263 which the Japanese were more than happy to provide, and they tried to provide it. 1003 00:56:53,623 --> 00:56:56,483 We prevented them from providing it, and we dropped the second time. 1004 00:56:56,493 --> 00:56:57,003 Oh, yeah, yeah. 1005 00:56:57,203 --> 00:56:57,413 Oh. 1006 00:56:57,473 --> 00:57:00,423 You know, and to me, like, this represents the same horror and 1007 00:57:00,423 --> 00:57:01,963 catastrophe that We, as in? 1008 00:57:02,528 --> 00:57:05,908 Oh, yes, we, I should not identify, the government. 1009 00:57:05,978 --> 00:57:06,648 Those assholes. 1010 00:57:07,238 --> 00:57:10,888 And yeah, and this represents the same fucking insanity that was the armistice 1011 00:57:10,888 --> 00:57:14,308 at the end of World War I, where, and this is an extraordinary fact to 1012 00:57:14,308 --> 00:57:22,388 me, is that the final day of World War I, more men died on that day II. 1013 00:57:23,538 --> 00:57:25,008 And it was because these, these... 1014 00:57:25,553 --> 00:57:31,263 Absolute, despicable, disgusting parasites that call themselves humans in 1015 00:57:31,263 --> 00:57:35,413 government said, well, now that we have the armistice established at 11pm on 11. 1016 00:57:35,563 --> 00:57:40,493 11, let's do a full press assault and see how many of the other people 1017 00:57:40,493 --> 00:57:43,243 we can kill before the game is done. 1018 00:57:47,203 --> 00:57:49,933 This is a sort of madness that happens when we relegate the 1019 00:57:49,933 --> 00:57:53,293 responsibility to other individuals to make choices about life and death. 1020 00:57:53,323 --> 00:57:53,863 But to me, 1021 00:57:53,863 --> 00:57:59,533 this is the most important aspect of, of Bitcoin, uh, . Because what it 1022 00:57:59,743 --> 00:58:07,003 does, it, it re, the core invention is that it removes the, the hands 1023 00:58:07,008 --> 00:58:11,473 of these parasitic institutions to, to leech off the value of. 1024 00:58:11,788 --> 00:58:14,288 Other people transacting voluntarily with one another. 1025 00:58:14,298 --> 00:58:19,288 There's no way to, you know, shadowy tax people through inflation 1026 00:58:19,308 --> 00:58:22,388 when, when there's a, when people are transacting in Bitcoin. 1027 00:58:22,428 --> 00:58:25,678 There's no way for a third party to get any of that transaction. 1028 00:58:25,708 --> 00:58:30,448 Sure, you pay some fee to the miners, but that's, there's a free market for that. 1029 00:58:30,498 --> 00:58:37,698 Like there's no way to, to, for these assholes to, to extract value from others. 1030 00:58:37,923 --> 00:58:38,353 anymore. 1031 00:58:38,363 --> 00:58:42,343 And that's, that's the key thing because that's what kills the 1032 00:58:42,343 --> 00:58:45,413 ability for these people to sit in rooms and just pick targets at 1033 00:58:45,473 --> 00:58:45,933 random. 1034 00:58:46,173 --> 00:58:46,933 Absolutely. 1035 00:58:46,933 --> 00:58:48,983 And a lot of people don't understand that, like. 1036 00:58:49,788 --> 00:58:55,068 That function by itself collapses all world governments today. 1037 00:58:55,418 --> 00:59:00,248 The simple inability to be able to steal from people, that collapses 1038 00:59:00,318 --> 00:59:01,938 every single government today. 1039 00:59:02,548 --> 00:59:06,208 And to be clear, like, that doesn't just mean now we live in willy nilly 1040 00:59:06,208 --> 00:59:08,038 chaos and everybody murders everybody. 1041 00:59:08,518 --> 00:59:09,148 No. 1042 00:59:09,393 --> 00:59:14,653 Like, this is a process that we must go through to clear out the space to allow 1043 00:59:14,663 --> 00:59:19,023 for the potentiality of the next form of the political to present itself, which 1044 00:59:19,023 --> 00:59:23,743 I'm convinced the internet is going to play a major and pivotal role in 1045 00:59:23,743 --> 00:59:28,433 the next form of And I'm very pedantic about this idea of the political versus 1046 00:59:28,433 --> 00:59:34,313 politics, because to me, the political is about the radical potentiality that 1047 00:59:34,313 --> 00:59:39,378 people will always have to choose their forms of life versus their identities. 1048 00:59:39,768 --> 00:59:44,878 The contemporary parliamentary democratic forms that we're told 1049 00:59:44,878 --> 00:59:47,778 creates law and is politics. 1050 00:59:48,148 --> 00:59:51,968 And so to me, that's a very important distinction because today, there 1051 00:59:51,968 --> 00:59:56,068 is no people anywhere that have access to any form of the political. 1052 00:59:56,433 --> 00:59:59,653 Because we've all been forced to be subservient to politics. 1053 00:59:59,693 --> 00:59:59,943 Yeah. 1054 01:00:00,123 --> 01:00:04,303 And Bitcoin, to me, opens us up to the possibility of the political. 1055 01:00:05,233 --> 01:00:05,573 That's a 1056 01:00:05,623 --> 01:00:06,953 great way of framing it. 1057 01:00:07,053 --> 01:00:07,473 And, uh, 1058 01:00:07,503 --> 01:00:11,893 like, That's a concept from Carl Schmitt, the, uh, famous Nazi 1059 01:00:11,913 --> 01:00:13,883 jurist who I do a lot of work. 1060 01:00:14,233 --> 01:00:15,658 I, it, It's fucked up. 1061 01:00:15,668 --> 01:00:19,758 I do a lot of work with Nazi philosophers, not because I'm a Nazi, but because 1062 01:00:19,778 --> 01:00:23,878 I have a very, very strong critique of these philosophers, who are very 1063 01:00:23,878 --> 01:00:28,068 important, but because the way that liberal wokeism won't deal with them, 1064 01:00:28,398 --> 01:00:33,943 they avoid what they present entirely, and it's extremely destructive to philosophy. 1065 01:00:34,153 --> 01:00:38,673 Yeah, I think you just hit on something important, like, uh, the 1066 01:00:38,673 --> 01:00:42,203 idea of, I don't have this thought fully formed, it just came to me from 1067 01:00:42,203 --> 01:00:47,293 what you just said, but the idea that you can just, just memory hole ideas 1068 01:00:47,293 --> 01:00:51,463 because they're somehow associated with the wrong thing, like It's 1984. 1069 01:00:51,623 --> 01:00:55,343 Well, sure, like, say, like, uh, not a real example exactly, but if 1070 01:00:55,343 --> 01:00:57,413 someone, if someone says something, J. 1071 01:00:57,413 --> 01:00:57,563 K. 1072 01:00:57,563 --> 01:00:57,963 Rowling. 1073 01:00:58,103 --> 01:01:00,043 Okay, this, this I'll use as the example. 1074 01:01:00,053 --> 01:01:04,063 Like, there are, there is a serious group of people who, who will not 1075 01:01:04,073 --> 01:01:05,943 touch Harry Potter anything because J. 1076 01:01:05,943 --> 01:01:06,113 K. 1077 01:01:06,113 --> 01:01:08,013 Rowling has wrong think. 1078 01:01:08,693 --> 01:01:11,953 And, and like, this is one of the, the most popular, uh, book 1079 01:01:12,023 --> 01:01:14,283 franchises ever, basically. 1080 01:01:14,283 --> 01:01:16,743 And people liked it for certain reasons, right? 1081 01:01:16,923 --> 01:01:20,083 But because someone has a wrong opinion, they get completely memory holed. 1082 01:01:20,083 --> 01:01:24,188 And, and, uh, Uh, y yeah, pro . I won't mention these. 1083 01:01:24,218 --> 01:01:25,658 Well, I'm mentioning it explicitly. 1084 01:01:25,658 --> 01:01:30,328 Uh, JK Rowling is not a Nazi philosopher, so just to, just to throw that out there. 1085 01:01:30,538 --> 01:01:34,048 But, but the example is the, the memory holding of ideas 1086 01:01:34,048 --> 01:01:35,188 and then not dealing with it. 1087 01:01:35,188 --> 01:01:39,658 So, uh, I guess to come to an actual point here is like, how do 1088 01:01:39,658 --> 01:01:47,088 we deal with the type of culture that wants to erase ideas instead of 1089 01:01:47,088 --> 01:01:47,509 dealing with them? 1090 01:01:48,313 --> 01:01:50,603 Yes, just to emphasize on the J. 1091 01:01:50,603 --> 01:01:50,783 K. 1092 01:01:50,783 --> 01:01:57,303 Rowling thing before, before, because, like, before the answer, because these 1093 01:01:57,463 --> 01:02:02,703 young actors and actresses that shun her because she claimed that trans 1094 01:02:02,703 --> 01:02:07,543 men aren't, trans women aren't women or something, whatever she said, uh, 1095 01:02:08,683 --> 01:02:13,453 the only reason that they have a life at all is because of her works, like, 1096 01:02:13,843 --> 01:02:17,623 so imagine in the, what's the word? 1097 01:02:18,568 --> 01:02:23,768 It's so gross that people, people who are, talk about biting the hand that 1098 01:02:23,768 --> 01:02:28,228 feeds you for the wrong reason, like, they would be nothing without her. 1099 01:02:28,338 --> 01:02:31,648 Yeah, but like, so, so, that whole idea though, like, like, you look at these 1100 01:02:32,108 --> 01:02:36,483 philosophers, you, you, you, like, What, what even compelled you to do that? 1101 01:02:36,483 --> 01:02:41,013 And how do you think we, we combat the, the memory holing of 1102 01:02:41,013 --> 01:02:44,533 these, of, uh, of ideas that are associated with controversial 1103 01:02:44,533 --> 01:02:46,923 people or non controversial people? 1104 01:02:47,183 --> 01:02:49,253 I mean, one of the things that inspired it, first of all, like, 1105 01:02:49,303 --> 01:02:52,613 my whole philosophical pursuit is like my own leisure and pleasure. 1106 01:02:52,623 --> 01:02:57,283 So, like, I wasn't contained within an academic framework, framework that, 1107 01:02:57,773 --> 01:02:59,683 that, that usually deprives people of it. 1108 01:02:59,703 --> 01:03:03,168 So, like, uh, A philosopher that I deeply respect, Michael Millerman, 1109 01:03:03,178 --> 01:03:06,878 he, he was a doctor at the University of Montreal, I believe. 1110 01:03:07,318 --> 01:03:11,028 Like, he, he was blackballed and kicked out because he was studying 1111 01:03:11,058 --> 01:03:12,348 individuals like Heidegger. 1112 01:03:12,368 --> 01:03:14,988 And to be clear, like, Heidegger was a Nazi. 1113 01:03:15,248 --> 01:03:19,558 And I think his philosophy does fundamentally deal with ideas 1114 01:03:19,568 --> 01:03:23,868 in Nazism, because of how it presents an ethnos of peoples. 1115 01:03:24,468 --> 01:03:27,288 And I also think it's extremely important. 1116 01:03:27,758 --> 01:03:31,488 To be able to deeply read Heidegger and critique him, and I critique him 1117 01:03:31,488 --> 01:03:34,848 through one of his students, Levinas, and I think it's extremely important 1118 01:03:34,848 --> 01:03:38,348 because Levinas deals with all of the problems that Heidegger tries 1119 01:03:38,348 --> 01:03:42,798 to present, and then overcomes them through his presentation of the other. 1120 01:03:43,328 --> 01:03:46,888 But what's really important in regards to your term is, is that as much as 1121 01:03:46,888 --> 01:03:51,623 they want to memory hole stuff, You, frankly, you can always bring it back up. 1122 01:03:51,693 --> 01:03:56,543 And to me, the great example is, is that, uh, like, I, I have contentious 1123 01:03:56,543 --> 01:03:59,553 issues with my own family for a number of reasons, but one of the main ones 1124 01:03:59,553 --> 01:04:03,723 is, look, what happened in COVID was really, really destructive, and it 1125 01:04:03,723 --> 01:04:08,423 raised certain truths of that in the United States, vaccines are given a 1126 01:04:08,423 --> 01:04:12,603 very special treatment so that they don't have to go through the same 1127 01:04:12,683 --> 01:04:15,533 rigorous process of all other medicines. 1128 01:04:16,613 --> 01:04:21,833 And as much as these people yell and scream and freak out saying, no, it's 1129 01:04:21,913 --> 01:04:27,263 safe and effective, you can turn back and go, but, but we have the documentation 1130 01:04:27,263 --> 01:04:33,013 from 1985 when the vaccine acts passed that specifically say vaccines are 1131 01:04:33,103 --> 01:04:35,953 unavoidably dangerous or unavoidably 1132 01:04:35,983 --> 01:04:36,783 unsafe. 1133 01:04:37,003 --> 01:04:41,613 This is basically the RFK's, RFK's point that people, people listen to, like, 1134 01:04:41,613 --> 01:04:44,903 the, the things that he says and it's just, it's, oh, it's anti vax, but that 1135 01:04:44,903 --> 01:04:46,643 is specifically the key point, right? 1136 01:04:46,653 --> 01:04:48,843 That, that, that act enabled 1137 01:04:48,993 --> 01:04:49,763 all this. 1138 01:04:49,973 --> 01:04:50,443 Yeah. 1139 01:04:50,683 --> 01:04:57,223 And like, this is very, very, very important because as much as we engage in 1140 01:04:57,303 --> 01:05:03,958 the denial and the propaganda of saying safe and effective, Very real people 1141 01:05:03,958 --> 01:05:08,748 are getting hurt and dying because we're not actually looking at what's going on. 1142 01:05:09,418 --> 01:05:12,768 So, to answer your question, as much as stuff gets memory 1143 01:05:12,768 --> 01:05:13,838 hold, and like with the J. 1144 01:05:13,838 --> 01:05:14,028 K. 1145 01:05:14,028 --> 01:05:17,928 Rowling thing, like, Look, like, trans people with their individuality, how they 1146 01:05:17,928 --> 01:05:20,748 identify, how they present themselves in the world, I absolutely want to 1147 01:05:20,758 --> 01:05:22,908 honor and respect that for who they are. 1148 01:05:23,278 --> 01:05:27,488 But when you come to me and you insist that, you know, a man is a woman or 1149 01:05:27,488 --> 01:05:32,598 a woman is a man, that A is B or B is A, I have to stop and go, look, there 1150 01:05:32,908 --> 01:05:34,428 are some other things going on here. 1151 01:05:34,428 --> 01:05:37,858 That's part of a long and convoluted debate that I don't think you're available 1152 01:05:37,858 --> 01:05:41,588 for because you just want to shout me down in the same way that like, and this 1153 01:05:41,588 --> 01:05:45,088 is really important to me specifically around free speech and propaganda 1154 01:05:45,658 --> 01:05:47,588 is I want other people to be wrong. 1155 01:05:47,628 --> 01:05:50,768 It's really important for other people to be wrong or, or for them to 1156 01:05:50,768 --> 01:05:53,288 be right and for me to be wrong and them to present their perspectives. 1157 01:05:53,288 --> 01:05:57,008 Cause we need to have dialogue in the same way that look like. 1158 01:05:57,738 --> 01:06:01,568 I, I think Mein Kampf should be published, that National Socialists should be 1159 01:06:01,618 --> 01:06:05,498 public about what they believe in their stances, because I want people to 1160 01:06:05,498 --> 01:06:07,148 know, these people are fucking morons. 1161 01:06:07,948 --> 01:06:11,968 They're absolutely smooth brained idiots, and I want them 1162 01:06:11,968 --> 01:06:14,248 to present their philosophy... 1163 01:06:14,883 --> 01:06:17,863 So that you can go, oh wow, these guys are just actually racist 1164 01:06:17,923 --> 01:06:21,263 assholes who don't believe in the agency of other individuals. 1165 01:06:21,303 --> 01:06:23,373 Wow, what fucking shitty people, huh? 1166 01:06:25,023 --> 01:06:29,583 Well, whereas you censor them, they go, this Hitler guy, they won't, like, they 1167 01:06:29,583 --> 01:06:31,083 won't let anything about him be out. 1168 01:06:31,083 --> 01:06:34,423 Like, maybe he had something really important and powerful to say. 1169 01:06:34,783 --> 01:06:38,503 Maybe he was actually like a really smart and great guy, and they don't 1170 01:06:38,503 --> 01:06:42,343 even was backfires well, and they don't even see that they, they contribute and 1171 01:06:42,343 --> 01:06:45,643 feedback into that in a very powerful way. 1172 01:06:45,703 --> 01:06:45,943 Yeah. 1173 01:06:45,973 --> 01:06:49,003 That contributes much more so than I think, just letting him speak freely. 1174 01:06:49,123 --> 01:06:49,333 Did, 1175 01:06:49,513 --> 01:06:52,573 did you read a book by Rothbard called The Ethics of Liberty? 1176 01:06:53,453 --> 01:06:54,673 Yeah, it was a while ago. 1177 01:06:54,763 --> 01:06:59,933 Yeah, to me it was profound because it changed my views on freedom of speech. 1178 01:07:00,313 --> 01:07:06,183 Because he makes the case for, like, the question everyone, uh, forgets to ask 1179 01:07:06,183 --> 01:07:08,273 themselves is freedom of speech where? 1180 01:07:09,013 --> 01:07:14,643 And if in a libertarian society where everyone, where there's absolute property 1181 01:07:14,643 --> 01:07:17,493 rights, you as the property owner get... 1182 01:07:17,778 --> 01:07:22,148 to set the rules of whatever anyone gets to say or not say on your property. 1183 01:07:22,438 --> 01:07:27,408 So there's no public space and therefore, I mean, each individual 1184 01:07:27,438 --> 01:07:33,088 owning whatever platform, like, gets, gets to set the rules on that platform. 1185 01:07:33,568 --> 01:07:38,513 And I, I think this, this Misinterpretation of freedom of 1186 01:07:38,513 --> 01:07:42,073 speech and what it is like, because freedom of speech laws are only 1187 01:07:42,073 --> 01:07:45,133 necessary when there's public property. 1188 01:07:46,193 --> 01:07:53,198 So, so they need to be preceded by theft and, uh, um, It reminds me 1189 01:07:53,198 --> 01:07:57,058 of the, I don't know if you heard about the Koran burnings in Sweden. 1190 01:07:57,468 --> 01:07:58,948 Yeah, I have big awareness. 1191 01:07:58,958 --> 01:08:03,338 So, so the whole Arab world is, or I shouldn't say the whole Arab world, 1192 01:08:03,418 --> 01:08:08,658 but the Muslim world, or the Islamist world, or whatever, they're pissed 1193 01:08:08,698 --> 01:08:12,288 at the Swedes now because there have been some public Koran burnings. 1194 01:08:13,448 --> 01:08:17,688 And there's a lot of bad things happening because of this, but, but the thing 1195 01:08:17,688 --> 01:08:23,153 is, and the thing is, That, in order to protect free speech, the Swedish 1196 01:08:23,153 --> 01:08:28,223 government need to employ a lot of police officers to, to guard these people who 1197 01:08:28,223 --> 01:08:30,913 want to, to burn the Quran publicly. 1198 01:08:31,803 --> 01:08:34,013 And the media reports about it all the time. 1199 01:08:34,063 --> 01:08:38,123 And there's debate about whether to change the free speech laws and blah, blah, blah. 1200 01:08:38,153 --> 01:08:42,123 And the government always apologizes to the Arab nations afterwards and like, 1201 01:08:42,123 --> 01:08:44,343 oh, sorry, but we need to do this here. 1202 01:08:46,078 --> 01:08:51,118 The thing is, if there was no police protecting them, if a guy was just, I 1203 01:08:51,178 --> 01:08:55,258 mean, I could go out and burn a Koran on the street here and no one would care. 1204 01:08:56,228 --> 01:09:02,718 Like, so the attention this thing gets, that is the problem, not the actual act. 1205 01:09:02,728 --> 01:09:06,608 It's just that all of these arbitrary things. 1206 01:09:07,343 --> 01:09:12,383 Become important because the, the, the media machine and the, the, the government 1207 01:09:12,403 --> 01:09:14,903 machine around it fuels the fire. 1208 01:09:15,443 --> 01:09:16,973 And that's the real problem. 1209 01:09:16,973 --> 01:09:20,163 It's not the, it's not the act and it's not even the people 1210 01:09:20,163 --> 01:09:21,483 getting pissed at the act. 1211 01:09:21,903 --> 01:09:26,153 It's, uh, well, then again, the real violence is from the people 1212 01:09:26,153 --> 01:09:27,833 wanting to actually kill people. 1213 01:09:27,833 --> 01:09:32,603 If you buy a Quran and burn it, it's your property, your perfectly natural 1214 01:09:32,603 --> 01:09:34,153 law tells you, you can't do that. 1215 01:09:34,763 --> 01:09:37,373 This is the whole point of the media, in my opinion, is that. 1216 01:09:37,638 --> 01:09:43,028 When you make these things into extreme things, you pump the emotions to make 1217 01:09:43,028 --> 01:09:46,668 people get upset and dramatic, you've now prevented all dialogue, you know? 1218 01:09:46,668 --> 01:09:49,768 And so like, I actually think from crown burning, if people weren't 1219 01:09:49,768 --> 01:09:51,958 showing up all pissed off wanting to hurt each other and be like, why the 1220 01:09:51,958 --> 01:09:53,528 fuck are you burning my holy book? 1221 01:09:53,938 --> 01:09:57,508 Maybe there could actually be a really deep and constructive conversation. 1222 01:09:57,938 --> 01:10:00,958 And I can't help but think like, this is the same debate that's going on in 1223 01:10:00,958 --> 01:10:02,618 the United States around trans stuff. 1224 01:10:02,658 --> 01:10:05,398 Like I said before, honor and respect these people for their... 1225 01:10:05,608 --> 01:10:08,928 There's a very complicated dialogue here that I think is really important to talk 1226 01:10:08,938 --> 01:10:12,988 about family values in the United States, what we want to represent, and what does 1227 01:10:12,988 --> 01:10:18,438 it mean that we want to have, present a culture like this, and more importantly, 1228 01:10:18,498 --> 01:10:22,368 and I think this is one that doesn't get touched on a lot, is that one of the 1229 01:10:22,368 --> 01:10:26,218 most important things to me about women is their child rearing ability and the 1230 01:10:26,218 --> 01:10:27,858 ability for us to make a family together. 1231 01:10:27,908 --> 01:10:28,158 Yeah. 1232 01:10:28,248 --> 01:10:32,388 Like, a trans woman fundamentally doesn't have that capacity. 1233 01:10:33,038 --> 01:10:34,618 And there's probably a lot of people that would want to say 1234 01:10:34,618 --> 01:10:35,678 really hateful things to me. 1235 01:10:35,688 --> 01:10:38,938 And again, like, I don't want to take away from their ability to identify 1236 01:10:38,938 --> 01:10:43,308 how they want, but no, it, it seems a little disingenuous to me to have this 1237 01:10:43,308 --> 01:10:47,048 whole dialogue about, you know, trans women are women, but we don't have to 1238 01:10:47,048 --> 01:10:48,918 worry about child rearing in any way. 1239 01:10:48,968 --> 01:10:53,983 And that also like, it sets up like a pretty dystopian worldview of like, Let's 1240 01:10:53,983 --> 01:10:57,073 accept what you're saying is totally true that, you know, like I can be 1241 01:10:57,073 --> 01:10:59,533 Erika and, you know, you can be Kanuta. 1242 01:10:59,593 --> 01:11:01,313 Why do you want to be Loretta, Stan? 1243 01:11:01,323 --> 01:11:01,893 Well, and 1244 01:11:03,253 --> 01:11:03,323 look like I... 1245 01:11:03,993 --> 01:11:06,233 However you want to live and choose to live, that's great. 1246 01:11:06,253 --> 01:11:09,523 But like, there's this whole other problem that gets presented 1247 01:11:09,693 --> 01:11:13,543 because we're trying to act like what the media has given us is the 1248 01:11:13,553 --> 01:11:13,623 truth. 1249 01:11:13,623 --> 01:11:17,353 And it's sort of like a pendulum thing because like all of 1250 01:11:17,353 --> 01:11:19,263 these fights for, for, for... 1251 01:11:20,523 --> 01:11:25,813 Certain group rights, they come from these groups being very mistreated in the past. 1252 01:11:26,133 --> 01:11:30,933 So they come from a, so they're trying to replace one system of 1253 01:11:32,913 --> 01:11:33,783 authoritarianism with another. 1254 01:11:33,783 --> 01:11:38,253 So if you, if you think deeply about all of these issues, it all boils down 1255 01:11:38,253 --> 01:11:40,043 to individualism and property rights. 1256 01:11:40,083 --> 01:11:42,363 That's, that's the only solution to all of it. 1257 01:12:43,596 --> 01:12:47,516 yeah, I want to take this back, like, uh, just to the general 1258 01:12:47,526 --> 01:12:50,516 level a little bit, the, the, the. 1259 01:12:51,651 --> 01:12:56,861 I've been playing around with an idea that this, this, the entire denial of 1260 01:12:56,891 --> 01:13:05,551 a biological reality comes from that society has abandoned individuals from 1261 01:13:05,551 --> 01:13:11,886 being able to be comfortable and safe in their identity, and the reason that this 1262 01:13:12,796 --> 01:13:18,846 That I dig into this area is that I, I think we've understood this as a society. 1263 01:13:18,846 --> 01:13:20,616 This is important to avoid. 1264 01:13:21,086 --> 01:13:25,906 So there's a, there's a Finnish poem, Valla, it's, it's, 1265 01:13:25,911 --> 01:13:27,676 it's the Finnish epic poem. 1266 01:13:28,086 --> 01:13:30,576 And it, it's, it's an oral tradition thing. 1267 01:13:30,581 --> 01:13:33,486 It was largely untouched by Christianity. 1268 01:13:33,486 --> 01:13:37,236 Other things like this compiled in the, uh, the 18 hundreds. 1269 01:13:37,686 --> 01:13:41,556 So, so this is, this is something that came from a long, long time ago. 1270 01:13:41,711 --> 01:13:45,351 And there's, there's a whole cycle of how the, the symbol of 1271 01:13:45,451 --> 01:13:50,271 society, uh, a guy named Väinämöinen and it is this magical wizard, 1272 01:13:50,271 --> 01:13:52,371 Väinämöinen, Väinämöinen, 1273 01:13:52,371 --> 01:13:52,511 Väinämöinen. 1274 01:13:52,511 --> 01:13:52,691 Yes. 1275 01:13:53,791 --> 01:13:56,761 But he's the, he's the embodiment of, of society essentially. 1276 01:13:56,791 --> 01:14:01,811 And, and he is supposed to take, uh, for, for, uh, a wife, 1277 01:14:02,241 --> 01:14:05,121 the, the, the maiden Einel. 1278 01:14:05,131 --> 01:14:05,911 Her name is Einel. 1279 01:14:06,701 --> 01:14:09,001 The poem is called the fate of Einel in English. 1280 01:14:09,591 --> 01:14:11,571 But the idea is that, that. 1281 01:14:11,851 --> 01:14:17,011 The society put an overbearingness on the, the ability of the, the young 1282 01:14:17,021 --> 01:14:21,891 woman to come into her identity and so she drowns herself in a lake. 1283 01:14:22,811 --> 01:14:27,331 Drowning in a, in a woman drowning herself in a lake is, well, literally quite bad, 1284 01:14:27,341 --> 01:14:32,241 but symbolically it's, it's the, the feminine drowning itself in nothingness, 1285 01:14:32,261 --> 01:14:33,741 putting itself into emptiness. 1286 01:14:33,801 --> 01:14:39,841 Like, uh, a girl chopping off her, her tits, complete denial 1287 01:14:39,871 --> 01:14:42,531 of, of biological reality. 1288 01:14:42,531 --> 01:14:42,641 It's. 1289 01:14:43,481 --> 01:14:47,931 The, the, the thing that these stories I see is actually kind of pointing to 1290 01:14:47,931 --> 01:14:54,471 is that society is rotten and society is, is making these things happen, uh, 1291 01:14:54,681 --> 01:14:57,761 because, because everything is wrong. 1292 01:14:57,851 --> 01:15:01,321 Everything is, uh, bad incentives. 1293 01:15:01,321 --> 01:15:04,151 Individuals can't live within themselves. 1294 01:15:04,771 --> 01:15:07,371 So that's, yeah, it's, it's like another one of my... 1295 01:15:07,631 --> 01:15:08,031 Back to 1296 01:15:08,061 --> 01:15:08,781 optimism. 1297 01:15:09,951 --> 01:15:10,161 Well, 1298 01:15:10,181 --> 01:15:12,081 well, Eric, what do you think of that? 1299 01:15:12,494 --> 01:15:16,914 This is such a complicated topic, and I think that the media has made it 1300 01:15:17,014 --> 01:15:21,484 so reductivist that it becomes very difficult to have real dialogue about. 1301 01:15:21,614 --> 01:15:27,624 And so, like, one of my main struggles is that, and I read this from Ambigan, 1302 01:15:27,634 --> 01:15:34,489 is that, uh, I'm so deeply suspicious of that part of what these ideas 1303 01:15:34,489 --> 01:15:40,979 are is about trying to create, uh, this, like, false idea of individual 1304 01:15:40,979 --> 01:15:46,789 empowerment to actually strip them of any other form of empowerment that 1305 01:15:46,799 --> 01:15:49,029 exists in a deeper societal level. 1306 01:15:49,539 --> 01:15:54,029 And so, like, I think, uh, because, like, one of the phenomenon, 1307 01:15:54,089 --> 01:15:56,714 like, specifically around this biological and trans thing is... 1308 01:15:56,924 --> 01:16:00,294 Why does it seem that there's so many more male to female trans 1309 01:16:00,314 --> 01:16:02,774 people than, than male to female? 1310 01:16:02,804 --> 01:16:08,414 In addition to the male to female, or, I'm, I'm sorry, the, the female to male, 1311 01:16:08,444 --> 01:16:13,474 sorry, the, that, that identity, it, it's not as hypervigilant or heard about. 1312 01:16:13,514 --> 01:16:16,994 And what I think is so interesting is cause like, like the frank truth 1313 01:16:16,994 --> 01:16:20,704 is, is like, look, if, if a male to female trans person wants to come 1314 01:16:20,704 --> 01:16:24,434 and compete with me in almost any competition, like, I'm probably gonna 1315 01:16:24,434 --> 01:16:26,214 win, and it's gonna be kinda funny. 1316 01:16:26,629 --> 01:16:31,249 Uh, and like, not to be an asshole, but because like, if I am, like if 1317 01:16:31,249 --> 01:16:34,889 you're matching me up with somebody who is my same weight category but can't 1318 01:16:34,899 --> 01:16:38,749 hold the same muscle mass, like, yeah, I'm, I'm probably gonna dominate them. 1319 01:16:39,659 --> 01:16:44,239 But then there's this other weird part with, uh, the male to female trans 1320 01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:47,699 population that presenting themselves as a woman, and this is what Ambigan was 1321 01:16:47,699 --> 01:16:54,189 pointing out, is that It seems to align with consumer capitalist culture almost 1322 01:16:54,189 --> 01:17:01,229 perfectly, and I'm very, very suspicious of that because why is it that you, as 1323 01:17:01,229 --> 01:17:07,639 a woman, have the full presentation of a very feminine, sexualized woman, um, 1324 01:17:08,244 --> 01:17:13,514 But you don't have the child rearing capacities, or the presentation around 1325 01:17:13,514 --> 01:17:18,424 that, or around, uh, like, aged womanhood, or, like, it all seems to be a deeply 1326 01:17:18,474 --> 01:17:24,774 sexualized thing, and it, and it just leaves me questioning, in a lot of ways, 1327 01:17:24,774 --> 01:17:28,754 like, I actually find, like, it, it's the most sexist thing that can be presented, 1328 01:17:28,984 --> 01:17:33,684 because, like, the identity that you have as a woman is as a sexual object, 1329 01:17:33,684 --> 01:17:37,214 and not as a child rearer, and I, like, look, I want to respect, too, that, like, 1330 01:17:37,549 --> 01:17:41,609 Saying a woman is only a child rearer is also extremely sexist and that there's 1331 01:17:41,619 --> 01:17:43,899 a balance in between the two, but you 1332 01:17:43,969 --> 01:17:45,379 can't really have one without the other. 1333 01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:45,639 Well, 1334 01:17:45,639 --> 01:17:50,079 yeah, but, but what's so interesting is that the extreme viewpoints are 1335 01:17:50,089 --> 01:17:53,019 both very sexist in that, like a woman is a child rearer needs to 1336 01:17:53,029 --> 01:17:54,419 stay in the home, sexist as hell. 1337 01:17:54,659 --> 01:17:57,509 A woman is like a sexual fuck object that should only be used 1338 01:17:57,679 --> 01:17:59,809 for sex, totally sexist as well. 1339 01:18:00,419 --> 01:18:03,899 And I think that it's all of the in between, it's the nuance 1340 01:18:03,939 --> 01:18:07,139 and the complications of having dialogues like this that. 1341 01:18:07,509 --> 01:18:11,059 In my opinion, traditional media absolutely does not want to 1342 01:18:11,069 --> 01:18:12,269 have more than anything else. 1343 01:18:12,279 --> 01:18:14,559 It's very important to make these very contentious... 1344 01:18:15,304 --> 01:18:20,964 Angry, emotional debates that can't reach thoughtful conclusions where we can say, 1345 01:18:20,964 --> 01:18:24,764 Hey, maybe we don't see eye to eye on this, but maybe we can have dialogue. 1346 01:18:25,024 --> 01:18:29,304 And to me, like, that's the most important and critical thing that we 1347 01:18:29,304 --> 01:18:33,714 need to return to that I think returning all the way back to Bitcoin we're doing 1348 01:18:33,734 --> 01:18:37,714 is that we're having open dialogue because there aren't guardrails for us. 1349 01:18:37,754 --> 01:18:41,944 We need to include everything and have all of the debates possible because. 1350 01:18:42,424 --> 01:18:46,374 We just don't know what the real answers are, but, and this is a very 1351 01:18:46,374 --> 01:18:52,584 important but, I know through the true process of dialogue, of us working 1352 01:18:52,584 --> 01:18:56,904 together through dialogue to try to figure out what that truth is in 1353 01:18:56,904 --> 01:18:59,134 between us, that's how we can find it. 1354 01:18:59,264 --> 01:18:59,464 Yeah, 1355 01:18:59,684 --> 01:19:03,784 and there's no other way, because if we remove violence from the equation 1356 01:19:03,784 --> 01:19:07,504 entirely, which is sort of what Bitcoin does, there's only dialogue left. 1357 01:19:07,649 --> 01:19:12,679 Like, uh, humans have two ways of resolving conflict, speech and violence. 1358 01:19:13,429 --> 01:19:14,399 That's what it boils down 1359 01:19:14,399 --> 01:19:14,619 to. 1360 01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:19,449 And it's so important to know and understand that the very act of trying to 1361 01:19:19,449 --> 01:19:24,709 engage in speech helps negate the violence that is there otherwise, because we're 1362 01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:26,909 saying, I don't want to engage in that. 1363 01:19:27,609 --> 01:19:30,859 I sincerely want to know and understand and talk to you. 1364 01:19:31,454 --> 01:19:33,844 And I think that's so important, particularly with where we're at in 1365 01:19:33,844 --> 01:19:38,104 our media, because our media is deeply uninterested in having conversation. 1366 01:19:38,114 --> 01:19:40,504 It's very interested in offering vitriol. 1367 01:19:40,794 --> 01:19:41,174 Yeah, 1368 01:19:41,334 --> 01:19:44,664 it wants clicks and likes and retweets and stuff. 1369 01:19:44,714 --> 01:19:44,934 Yeah, 1370 01:19:44,934 --> 01:19:51,094 and it turns out when you say hateful, radicalizing, and absolute dialogue, 1371 01:19:51,094 --> 01:19:52,824 that that drives a lot of clicks. 1372 01:19:53,204 --> 01:19:58,159 And this is in a large part One of the greater problems that are going on is 1373 01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:04,309 because it's reduced our time preference to such a short window that literal 1374 01:20:04,319 --> 01:20:09,909 journalists are now just media mouthpieces that, that fundamentally don't even 1375 01:20:09,929 --> 01:20:14,309 understand what journalism is, you know, and this is part of the destruction 1376 01:20:14,429 --> 01:20:15,979 of society on a whole right now. 1377 01:20:15,979 --> 01:20:16,849 That's really sad. 1378 01:20:16,969 --> 01:20:17,239 Yeah. 1379 01:20:17,319 --> 01:20:17,539 Did 1380 01:20:17,539 --> 01:20:19,269 you hear about the Chess Association? 1381 01:20:19,309 --> 01:20:22,099 I don't know what the name of the organization, but there's 1382 01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:23,754 some international chess club. 1383 01:20:25,494 --> 01:20:33,124 Association or organization that have, uh, uh, they're now preventing trans, 1384 01:20:33,564 --> 01:20:34,994 uh, females from competing the chess 1385 01:20:39,364 --> 01:20:40,114 championships. 1386 01:20:40,364 --> 01:20:40,944 Oh, yeah. 1387 01:20:40,974 --> 01:20:45,254 So it's okay for Leah Thomas to win a swimming competition and her shoulders 1388 01:20:45,294 --> 01:20:49,934 are like twice as wide as the, the girl, the poor girl who got the 1389 01:20:49,944 --> 01:20:52,534 silver medal, but in chess it's okay. 1390 01:20:52,834 --> 01:20:53,374 But in chess. 1391 01:20:53,524 --> 01:20:53,554 Yes. 1392 01:20:53,674 --> 01:20:54,674 They can't compete. 1393 01:20:54,734 --> 01:21:00,154 Like, that is so ironic and so awful and so funny at the 1394 01:21:00,164 --> 01:21:01,664 same time on so many levels. 1395 01:21:01,674 --> 01:21:03,394 So like, I, I don't really know how to. 1396 01:21:04,004 --> 01:21:04,314 Yeah. 1397 01:21:04,344 --> 01:21:04,734 Well, I, 1398 01:21:04,734 --> 01:21:08,974 I think the concept of, of a separate women's division in chess is super sexist. 1399 01:21:09,114 --> 01:21:09,434 Yeah. 1400 01:21:09,564 --> 01:21:09,754 Yeah. 1401 01:21:10,344 --> 01:21:14,164 And then, well, the only reason it exists, basically, is, is that there, 1402 01:21:14,244 --> 01:21:20,254 that there aren't any women who have climbed the ranks, uh, to, to compete 1403 01:21:20,314 --> 01:21:25,094 with the, the guys, basically, because there's, there's been a couple of female 1404 01:21:25,104 --> 01:21:29,764 chess super grandmasters that have come into basically the top 10 of the world, 1405 01:21:29,784 --> 01:21:34,389 and, and, and one of them was raised as a chess prodigy from, um, Her very 1406 01:21:34,389 --> 01:21:39,809 beginning, Judith Polgar, and, and, and she, she was in the running for 1407 01:21:39,809 --> 01:21:42,669 one of the world championships like 10, 15 years ago, something like that. 1408 01:21:43,409 --> 01:21:46,039 But there aren't, there are hardly any other women who do that. 1409 01:21:46,039 --> 01:21:47,009 So it's like, and you can 1410 01:21:47,009 --> 01:21:50,229 have whatever theory you want on why that is the case. 1411 01:21:50,869 --> 01:21:55,199 But, but it's still, it's a game where nerdiness 1412 01:21:59,159 --> 01:22:01,669 and time in the game plays a big part. 1413 01:22:01,669 --> 01:22:01,929 Yeah, yeah. 1414 01:22:01,979 --> 01:22:03,259 But regardless, if you. 1415 01:22:04,839 --> 01:22:09,299 Uh, if you think that there are differences, inherent differences 1416 01:22:09,299 --> 01:22:16,049 between male and female brains or not, uh, why are there different categories? 1417 01:22:16,049 --> 01:22:19,379 Like why is that , why is that a thing at all? 1418 01:22:19,899 --> 01:22:20,379 You know, 1419 01:22:20,379 --> 01:22:24,759 like I, and like this is one of the, the great problems that I think have 1420 01:22:24,759 --> 01:22:28,869 been presented is that through this homogenizing of all people and saying that 1421 01:22:29,019 --> 01:22:31,389 a man is a woman like Blackbody, yeah. 1422 01:22:31,389 --> 01:22:33,999 Everybody's equal no matter what at any point in time. 1423 01:22:34,654 --> 01:22:39,274 Uh, like, it, it, and like, this is the same thing that's going on in the United 1424 01:22:39,304 --> 01:22:44,504 States, you know, with ideas like, uh, reparations payments towards people 1425 01:22:44,504 --> 01:22:45,864 that are former slaves or whatever. 1426 01:22:45,964 --> 01:22:48,064 First of all, like, there is no one in the United States 1427 01:22:48,064 --> 01:22:49,374 today that is a former slave. 1428 01:22:49,374 --> 01:22:50,184 That's really important. 1429 01:22:50,194 --> 01:22:51,294 No, they're a current slave. 1430 01:22:51,544 --> 01:22:53,614 Well, we're all current tax slaves. 1431 01:22:54,134 --> 01:22:58,244 But, uh, It ends up going to these places that, despite the fact that it 1432 01:22:58,254 --> 01:23:01,894 doesn't want to be racist or sexist, it becomes, like, the most racist 1433 01:23:01,894 --> 01:23:03,814 and the most sexist possible thing. 1434 01:23:03,874 --> 01:23:04,214 Yeah. 1435 01:23:04,274 --> 01:23:08,104 And it's really funny because, uh, this is something that my ex actually pointed 1436 01:23:08,104 --> 01:23:13,174 out to, was that, like, in her opinion, and I hope I don't get flamed too much for 1437 01:23:13,174 --> 01:23:19,634 this, in her opinion, like, Trans women are like the most sexist presentation of 1438 01:23:19,634 --> 01:23:25,174 women, cause like, you have a biological man telling women, insisting to women 1439 01:23:25,184 --> 01:23:30,084 that they are a woman, and if you deny that they are a woman, that person 1440 01:23:30,104 --> 01:23:36,309 actually is sexist, and then furthermore You're having men come into women's 1441 01:23:36,309 --> 01:23:40,239 competitions, beating the shit out of them in it, and saying you need to respect 1442 01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:42,469 and honor that because I'm also a woman? 1443 01:23:42,849 --> 01:23:45,279 And again, like, to me, this is a leg too far. 1444 01:23:45,529 --> 01:23:48,229 We can say, hey, if you want to have your own category, however you want to 1445 01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:53,319 identify, but you trying to take away the actual differences between us as 1446 01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:58,194 people, and furthermore You just not actually respecting enough in a way to 1447 01:23:58,204 --> 01:24:04,264 say, Hey, maybe, well, and the thing that I find the most interesting is that, I 1448 01:24:04,264 --> 01:24:07,414 don't want to go into this cause it's a slippery slope, like dangerous territory. 1449 01:24:07,434 --> 01:24:07,824 Okay. 1450 01:24:07,824 --> 01:24:10,034 So to me, it's, it's easy. 1451 01:24:10,104 --> 01:24:13,974 Like anything with the word anti in front of it is that thing. 1452 01:24:14,174 --> 01:24:16,264 So an anti racist is a racist. 1453 01:24:16,684 --> 01:24:18,864 An anti fascist is a fascist. 1454 01:24:19,074 --> 01:24:23,134 If you're just a non racist or non fascist, that solves the problem. 1455 01:24:23,144 --> 01:24:24,034 Like don't. 1456 01:24:24,524 --> 01:24:28,434 Don't put people into group categories and you're, you're fine. 1457 01:24:29,294 --> 01:24:33,454 You're not, you don't fall into any of these categories. 1458 01:24:34,204 --> 01:24:39,044 An anti sexist is also a sexist, like a non sexist is a non sexist. 1459 01:24:39,084 --> 01:24:40,654 So an anti trans is trans? 1460 01:24:42,819 --> 01:24:46,529 Maybe, I mean, like, maybe that's why they're so inflamed about it is because 1461 01:24:46,539 --> 01:24:48,849 maybe they really identify that way. 1462 01:24:49,309 --> 01:24:53,829 But back to individualism again, like the, the, the smallest 1463 01:24:53,859 --> 01:24:55,909 minority group is always the person. 1464 01:24:56,229 --> 01:25:00,839 So respect people like for what they are, individuals for what they are, 1465 01:25:01,149 --> 01:25:02,839 they are not their group belonging. 1466 01:25:03,209 --> 01:25:06,109 They are not their, they're not their passport, they're not 1467 01:25:06,109 --> 01:25:08,879 their skin color, they're not their sex, they're not their... 1468 01:25:09,074 --> 01:25:09,654 Gender. 1469 01:25:10,724 --> 01:25:11,004 Absolutely. 1470 01:25:11,024 --> 01:25:13,484 Like, they're not their fucking football team, they're a 1471 01:25:13,484 --> 01:25:14,054 person. 1472 01:25:14,384 --> 01:25:17,294 And like, one of the interesting places to extend this to is like, there's 1473 01:25:17,294 --> 01:25:21,804 totally intersexed and intergendered people that have two Xs and a Y, or 1474 01:25:21,804 --> 01:25:25,974 two Ys and, you know, however, and it's important, again, we want to have space 1475 01:25:25,974 --> 01:25:30,694 for them, but I think one of the main problems that we've gotten to is that... 1476 01:25:31,489 --> 01:25:34,909 Like you were saying, you know, by being anti racist we start to become racist, by 1477 01:25:34,909 --> 01:25:42,329 being, you know, pro trans or anti bis, that it escalates to the forefront of the 1478 01:25:42,339 --> 01:25:47,569 dialogue, that feature, which then almost becomes a sort of inescapability, instead 1479 01:25:47,569 --> 01:25:52,009 of just saying, hey, you're Jenny, like, okay, you used to be Jeff, whatever, like, 1480 01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:56,729 that's cool, like, you know, we can still have a great debate and dialogue, uh, 1481 01:25:56,769 --> 01:25:59,909 and, and like, I think the biggest one is, is why do we have to lead with that? 1482 01:25:59,989 --> 01:26:01,949 You know, like, why, why do, why do we have to Why do I have to, 1483 01:26:01,949 --> 01:26:03,849 you know, like, you don't see me coming in the conversation being 1484 01:26:03,849 --> 01:26:05,409 like, hello, I'm Eric, a white male. 1485 01:26:05,419 --> 01:26:06,229 How are you today? 1486 01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:08,179 You know, and like, people would be like, well, that's because 1487 01:26:08,179 --> 01:26:12,099 you've always maintained the patriarchal position of white power. 1488 01:26:12,119 --> 01:26:12,849 You know, I'm like... 1489 01:26:13,579 --> 01:26:17,569 Some of these leftist catchphrases though, I really like them because they... 1490 01:26:17,784 --> 01:26:18,724 They're actually true. 1491 01:26:18,944 --> 01:26:20,684 Like my body, my choice. 1492 01:26:21,754 --> 01:26:22,174 Yes. 1493 01:26:22,244 --> 01:26:23,704 Apply that to everything, please. 1494 01:26:24,114 --> 01:26:26,164 Like not to 1495 01:26:26,204 --> 01:26:27,264 absolutely everything. 1496 01:26:27,304 --> 01:26:28,114 Well, I'm like, same thing. 1497 01:26:28,694 --> 01:26:33,124 Guns are horrific tools of violence and we absolutely need to make sure that that 1498 01:26:33,134 --> 01:26:34,634 dangerous people are stripped of them. 1499 01:26:34,644 --> 01:26:36,724 Let's start with the military and police. 1500 01:26:36,764 --> 01:26:37,354 Cause they kill 1501 01:26:37,354 --> 01:26:38,294 the most people. 1502 01:26:38,324 --> 01:26:39,754 And there's also defund the police. 1503 01:26:39,834 --> 01:26:40,144 Yes. 1504 01:26:40,414 --> 01:26:42,134 And every other fucking institution. 1505 01:26:42,314 --> 01:26:44,244 Please start wherever you want. 1506 01:26:44,254 --> 01:26:45,524 Just defund everything. 1507 01:26:45,744 --> 01:26:45,974 Yeah. 1508 01:26:47,094 --> 01:26:50,364 Leftists get really, like, they kind of glitch out when I do that. 1509 01:26:50,414 --> 01:26:51,834 I'm like, yeah, absolutely. 1510 01:26:51,834 --> 01:26:53,654 Women need to have a right to abortion. 1511 01:26:53,654 --> 01:26:56,924 And, and just like in the same way, I need to have a right that nobody should inject 1512 01:26:56,924 --> 01:26:58,324 me with anything that I don't know about. 1513 01:26:58,564 --> 01:26:59,974 And they're like, well, hang on. 1514 01:27:00,224 --> 01:27:02,854 Or to inject yourself with whatever you want for that matter. 1515 01:27:02,854 --> 01:27:03,054 Sure. 1516 01:27:03,264 --> 01:27:03,674 Yeah. 1517 01:27:03,964 --> 01:27:06,094 And like a hundred percent, I want to respect your body. 1518 01:27:06,104 --> 01:27:06,964 You should respect that. 1519 01:27:06,974 --> 01:27:10,214 I want to put all kinds of different drugs and stuff into my body, you know? 1520 01:27:10,254 --> 01:27:10,724 And like. 1521 01:27:11,209 --> 01:27:12,939 Yeah, I don't know, at the end of the day, like, I'd 1522 01:27:12,939 --> 01:27:15,349 even try baklava if it came to that, you know, 1523 01:27:15,909 --> 01:27:16,889 yeah, absolutely. 1524 01:27:16,949 --> 01:27:20,559 And like, going back to earlier, what we were talking about, about 1525 01:27:20,559 --> 01:27:24,269 the positivity, like, we're in the middle of this extraordinary bloom 1526 01:27:24,269 --> 01:27:25,499 that the internet's providing. 1527 01:27:25,499 --> 01:27:28,589 And we're like, these dialogues wouldn't happen anywhere else. 1528 01:27:28,749 --> 01:27:31,039 There would never be a space for it, and people wouldn't even be 1529 01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:34,019 aware of these forms of thought if it wasn't for the internet. 1530 01:27:34,579 --> 01:27:37,139 And so it's so extraordinary that we get to have a space 1531 01:27:37,139 --> 01:27:38,069 where we get to talk about it. 1532 01:27:38,419 --> 01:27:40,919 Maybe I'm totally wrong, maybe there's some point here that I'm 1533 01:27:40,919 --> 01:27:44,139 absolutely missing, and that, you know, leftists are 100 percent right. 1534 01:27:44,189 --> 01:27:47,489 I'm pretty sure they're not, but I'm open to having a dialogue 1535 01:27:47,499 --> 01:27:49,709 about it, because I probably am 1536 01:27:49,719 --> 01:27:50,369 missing something. 1537 01:27:50,409 --> 01:27:51,819 Yeah, and what is the internet? 1538 01:27:52,889 --> 01:27:54,219 It's just us communicating. 1539 01:27:54,369 --> 01:27:57,219 It's just an easier way for us to connect and communicate. 1540 01:27:57,229 --> 01:28:01,469 That's all it is, and it's all through mathematics, which is also language. 1541 01:28:01,529 --> 01:28:03,579 Like, it's all about communication. 1542 01:28:04,219 --> 01:28:05,579 As a substitute for violence. 1543 01:28:05,939 --> 01:28:06,189 That's 1544 01:28:06,189 --> 01:28:06,599 what it is. 1545 01:28:06,679 --> 01:28:10,219 And like, one of the key differences though is that now getting to sort of 1546 01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:13,019 zoom in and use this language of math. 1547 01:28:13,714 --> 01:28:18,074 Uh, like if I'm providing a cryptographic proof that is one number off, you can 1548 01:28:18,074 --> 01:28:20,014 be like, that's, that's fucking wrong. 1549 01:28:20,164 --> 01:28:21,164 And I'm like, well, hang on. 1550 01:28:21,164 --> 01:28:21,724 No, no, no. 1551 01:28:21,724 --> 01:28:22,574 We're like really close. 1552 01:28:22,594 --> 01:28:24,694 And you're like, yeah, it doesn't fucking matter. 1553 01:28:24,694 --> 01:28:25,494 You're wrong. 1554 01:28:25,504 --> 01:28:27,364 Yeah, it doesn't kill the rabbit. 1555 01:28:27,694 --> 01:28:27,804 Like, 1556 01:28:27,894 --> 01:28:30,904 where, like, if I say this beer bottle here is amber, you could go, well, 1557 01:28:30,904 --> 01:28:32,874 no, that, that's more of a brown. 1558 01:28:32,904 --> 01:28:34,794 And I could go, well, maybe it's an ant. 1559 01:28:35,594 --> 01:28:38,884 Well, and there's this metaphorical difference that always happens in language 1560 01:28:38,884 --> 01:28:43,354 where we're always one degree removed from being able to have some, like, like 1561 01:28:43,354 --> 01:28:46,664 we can never actually conclude whether this is brown or amber or something in 1562 01:28:46,664 --> 01:28:52,024 between, whereas with a cryptographic proof, it's absolutely certain whether 1563 01:28:52,024 --> 01:28:53,839 or not this is the same proof or not. 1564 01:28:54,389 --> 01:28:58,599 And to me, like, that's sort of this more hyper resolutioned language that 1565 01:28:58,599 --> 01:29:02,959 we have access through cryptography that we're at a very, very rudimentary stage. 1566 01:29:03,079 --> 01:29:03,329 Yeah. 1567 01:29:03,429 --> 01:29:09,029 You know, like, we're using it, we're using it almost as monkeys, just with 1568 01:29:09,029 --> 01:29:12,889 the most rudimentary communication, which, you know, again, in the tradition 1569 01:29:12,889 --> 01:29:16,679 of all of humanity, returning to the very beginning, is like, This 1570 01:29:16,679 --> 01:29:18,159 is the fucking origin of language. 1571 01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:22,049 Like I encounter another savage in the world and I go, Oh, he's the shit. 1572 01:29:22,069 --> 01:29:24,739 Me Tarzan, you Jane, go away. 1573 01:29:25,029 --> 01:29:26,189 He goes like, Oh, wow. 1574 01:29:26,279 --> 01:29:27,009 This is a great hat. 1575 01:29:27,039 --> 01:29:28,409 I can't just like steal his hat. 1576 01:29:28,599 --> 01:29:29,589 His gods will kill me. 1577 01:29:29,769 --> 01:29:35,579 So like, I'll like take this hat and then you're like, Oh shit. 1578 01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:38,679 Like if I, if I like leave these stupid hats, this guy will like, 1579 01:29:38,679 --> 01:29:40,719 give me these super valuable bottles. 1580 01:29:41,654 --> 01:29:45,164 And like, lo and behold, the global economy begins. 1581 01:29:45,224 --> 01:29:45,744 Yeah, 1582 01:29:46,504 --> 01:29:48,474 all trade is, is communication. 1583 01:29:48,834 --> 01:29:52,394 And amber is a good word because Bitcoin is cryptographic amber, right? 1584 01:29:52,474 --> 01:29:56,924 And the more blocks that get added to the time chain, the more amber, layers 1585 01:29:56,924 --> 01:29:59,034 of amber is around that transaction. 1586 01:29:59,034 --> 01:30:01,984 And it's more and more irreversible, the more time flows. 1587 01:30:02,314 --> 01:30:04,304 This episode is sponsored by Amber App. 1588 01:30:05,214 --> 01:30:06,994 Oh, is there a plug for amber? 1589 01:30:07,354 --> 01:30:07,924 Yeah, no, just, 1590 01:30:08,264 --> 01:30:08,824 just kidding. 1591 01:30:08,854 --> 01:30:09,844 Give us money, Izzy. 1592 01:30:10,144 --> 01:30:13,594 So, uh, I wanted to do this one. 1593 01:30:13,654 --> 01:30:18,294 Uh, one of my favorites comic strips is from Gary Larson, where he explains 1594 01:30:18,324 --> 01:30:20,064 the four different personality types. 1595 01:30:20,624 --> 01:30:23,884 So would you say that this glass is half full or half empty? 1596 01:30:24,064 --> 01:30:25,014 We'll say half full. 1597 01:30:25,504 --> 01:30:25,944 Okay. 1598 01:30:26,324 --> 01:30:28,494 So you fall into one of these four categories. 1599 01:30:28,504 --> 01:30:31,034 And the first category, it's the people who say it's half full. 1600 01:30:31,344 --> 01:30:34,014 The second category is the people who say it's half empty. 1601 01:30:34,919 --> 01:30:39,569 The third category is the Indis indecisive people who say it's half full, half empty. 1602 01:30:39,569 --> 01:30:42,179 I don't really know the agnostics of the world, you know? 1603 01:30:43,249 --> 01:30:45,289 And the fourth cate, uh, category, which. 1604 01:30:46,029 --> 01:30:49,519 I have observed through life, it's by far the largest category of 1605 01:30:49,549 --> 01:30:53,379 people, and it's the people who say, Hey, I ordered a cheeseburger. 1606 01:30:56,679 --> 01:30:56,979 Yes. 1607 01:30:57,619 --> 01:31:00,479 That's a good metaphor for all of life and the way people approach it. 1608 01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:01,029 Yeah, yeah. 1609 01:31:02,089 --> 01:31:04,209 Erik, thank you so much for coming on again. 1610 01:31:04,649 --> 01:31:08,309 We fucking treasure your friendship and, you know, give us a hug. 1611 01:31:10,044 --> 01:31:14,634 let's get it on video there we go there we go and we need to get back to the 1612 01:31:14,634 --> 01:31:16,204 conference and do stupid shit it's 1613 01:31:16,214 --> 01:31:21,804 true we're we're below on gears so yeah but i'll get to you next thanks again eric 1614 01:31:21,904 --> 01:31:23,944 thank you thank you guys thank you guys 1615 01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,349 So what did you think of that 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